From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #285 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/285 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 285 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Fantasy [ Julia Jones ] Re: [B7L] Fantasy [ "Ellynne G." ] Re: [B7L] Fantasy [ dixonm@pobox.com ] Re: Community (was Re: [B7L] Fantasy [ "Neil Faulkner" ] Re: [B7L] Fantasy [ Judith Proctor To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Fantasy Message-ID: In message , Iain Coleman writes > This is why >> there's the old riddle about how to prove someone else thinks. You know >> _you_ do but you can't actually prove anyone else does > >A question which many scientists approach in a pragmatic fashion, cf the >Turing test. Dragging this vaguely back on-topic - I see Zen, Orac, Slave and Gambit as self-aware, because they behave as if they are. I see the ship's computers on Star Trek as not self-aware, because they don't behave as if they are. And that episode about Data being proved sentient seemed utterly trivial to me, because by the Turing test he's a person. Everyone he works with treats him as just another lifeform. I'm somewhat curious as to why B7 went with the idea of sentient *computers* rather than androids, as regular characters. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:00:01 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Science Message-ID: I see that Iain has already said much of what I would have said, and I'd have got him to do the lecture on the anthropomorphic principle anyway, so I'll just delete the rest of what I had to say elaborating on the theme of "why this is a load of bollocks", as it's likely to make some people feel they're being picked on if stomped by multiple physicists in hob-nailed boots. (Why does my spell checker have anthropomorphic but not bollocks in its banks?) -- Julia Jones Of course I'm a bitch, I'm an INTJ. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:50:34 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon & the kitchen Message-ID: In message <39E26C53.37BF@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker writes >For myself, >pomegranates were preferred over apples, but Granny Smith apples >definitely ranked up there. You can't eat pomegranates while reading a book unless you don't mind the pages turning pink. While I can visualise scenarios where this might indeed be the case with Avon, they belong on The Other List. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:26:58 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane To: Julia Jones Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Fantasy Message-Id: <200010102126.WAA23843@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Julia wrote: > In message <003b01c03101$63ecb740$0d01a8c0@codex>, Una McCormack > writes > I use some quite precise statistical tools > >to do some quite specific measuring (and I get software to do this for me > >now, altho' I used to do the maths on paper), but I quite specifically make > >no claims to generalizability or repeatability. > > Which is one of the reasons I would classify it as science. Given the way the definition of science is being argued at the moment, I wouldn't: I'd call it statistics. There's a difference between interpreting a specific sample of data, and providing a model by which one may reliably speak about arbitrary samples. steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:16:54 +0200 From: Nicoline van den Berg To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Blake and Avon laughing Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20001011001654.008182c0@pop3.tip.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! For a music vid, I'm looking for a scene in which Blake and Avon are laughing. I seem to remember one at the end of an episode. The joke is on Vila I believe, but I can't remember which ep. If anybody can help I would really appreciate it!! Nicoline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:50:58 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake and Avon laughing Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001010185020.00b946c0@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nicoline van den Berg wrote: >For a music vid, I'm looking for a scene in which Blake and Avon are >laughing. I seem to remember one at the end of an episode. The joke is on >Vila I believe, but I can't remember which ep. Try the scene at the end of "Trial". - Lisa -- Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:19:59 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Fantasy Message-ID: <20001010.212000.-98771.0.rilliara@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:20:19 -0400 Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes: > Ellynne wrote: > >I agree with that Lewis quote (which said pretty much > > what I'd wanted to earlier only better and briefer), "Even > > in your world, my son, that is not what a star is but only > > what it is made of." > > Unfortunately, Lewis gives the line to a star who is a patriarchal > figure > in a long white shirt. > A father in a silver robe, actually, but why quibble? Look, I'm willing to admit my own talent for tactlessness and that it may certainly have played its part in the elements of this discussion that are most getting on my nerves. But I somehow feel this is getting out of hand. OK, simple summary: Last I checked, science was not designed to speak to those issues which seem to lie closest to the human soul (regardless of whether you happen to think there is one or regard it as an interesting metaphor). That isn't its purpose and it isn't its function. As fiction, SF can deal with these or not. Fantasy can also deal with them. Although they can deal with them in a variety of ways, what some people gripe about being common in one may be what other people admire. However, somehow this has reached a point where I feel I must either get into a deep theological arguement of a kind I consider particularly fruitless (and, like I said, I guess I did my fair share in bringing us here, although I wasn't really trying to). For example, I now feel like I need to address the issue of how some people view God and whether those images (or supposed images) should be used in arguments and how. Part of me also wants to go off on a long discussion about the origins of the word 'shirt' which, apart from not having to be of any particular color, could originally have been used to describe the kind of garment you alluded to. I'm a little lost as to the point. I'm guessing it was an attempt at humor, but it went a little past me, mainly since it seemed rather flippant and misrepresentational to me about something I consider sacred. The above, as a peace offering, is probably hash. I never was overly gifted at this kind of thing. I am far better at offering that tactless comment that starts an argument (and reasonably good at getting thin skinned and prickly myself). But, if we have to go on about it, could we discuss something like what classical deities members of the show would be most likely to get into? You know, would Avon favor Eris, goddess of strife, or the Erinyes, goddesses of retribution? Could we make anything out of their other name, eumenides, the kindly ones, in relation to aspects of himself he doesn't like to admit? Vila: Dionysius and Bacchus, no question. Dayna: Diana, naturally. Tarrant: Skip classical, go with Thor. Cally: Athena and Vesta/Hestia Jenna: Ishtar or maybe an Incan goddess warrior goddess whose name I'm forgetting. Big on doing decorative things with her enemies. Soolin: Definitely an Incan warrior goddess big on doing decorative things with her enemies remains. Andraste, Erinyes (no interest in eumenides), and others. Blake: Nemesis? Andraste? Mars Vindicator? All those Greek heroes who inevitably bring the disaster they were trying to prevent down on their heads? Ellynne ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:46:29 -0400 From: dixonm@pobox.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Fantasy Message-ID: <9io7us0apj8an2khpoo8abceii0ru92soa@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:06:52 +0100, you wrote: >I'm somewhat curious as to why B7 went with the idea of sentient >*computers* rather than androids, as regular characters. Cheaper to pay for a voice-only actor? Or did you want an in-universe explanation? If the latter, then why have androids when you can have mutoids? -- Meredith Dixon Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying. And for those who want to help. http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:59:09 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: Community (was Re: [B7L] Fantasy) Message-ID: <000901c03358$31ded680$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Iain Coleman > > If you'll forgive me, I don't see community, even in the hotbeds of Western > > individualism, decreasing so much as taking different forms. > > E.g. this mailing list. What I think has happened is that we've gradually drifted from full-time participation in one community to part-time participation in several, or even many. Once you used to work, rest and play with pretty much the same people all the time. Now it's compartmentalised. The people you live with are not those you work with, and your recreational interests can introduce you to yet further groups. I'd guess that industrialisation accelerated this shift, and the technological progress that arose from industrialisation further facilitated it. So I can say it's all evil capitalism's fault and bury the woes of the world in my own pit of preference:) Neil (suddenly far too busy to participate in this community as much as he'd like to) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:12:14 +0930 From: "Minnie" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake and Avon laughing Message-ID: <006b01c0335f$27fee5e0$30c326cb@marina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa wrote: > >Try the scene at the end of "Trial". > I cringe when I see that bit. I liked the joke about the intellegent flea but the 'fake' laughing that blake does, just makes me want to hide in the cushions. Bad! bad! bad! Min.xxx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:30:01 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Fantasy Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed 11 Oct, dixonm@pobox.com wrote: > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:06:52 +0100, you wrote: > > >I'm somewhat curious as to why B7 went with the idea of sentient > >*computers* rather than androids, as regular characters. > > Cheaper to pay for a voice-only actor? Or did you want an in-universe > explanation? If the latter, then why have androids when you can have mutoids? Because androids always look like a man in a plastic suit, whereas Orac looks like something original? If an android looks perfectly human, then there doesn't seem that much point in having an android. (Even Data had make up to change his skin colour) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:36:47 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] you can't get there from here Message-ID: <000301c0336f$53d79e40$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just been reading an article in Interzone by Paul Brazier about the differences between SF and fantasy (as they say 'small world'; 'big project'). Anyway my header line is his 'test' to distinguish the two genres, which I think works quite well: if you 'can't get there from here' it is fantasy. If you (however tenuously) can it's SF. Hey, it works for me. And some of the heated exchange we've just had comes down to this question too IMHO. Is it worth worrying about things that don't impact on any way with our own reality? I think people are fairly strongly divided on this issue. I wonder if people are similarly divided as to whether you can 'get to B7 from here'. That is, does B7 plausibly intersect, at least potentially, with our reality or not? Finally, Brazier extrapolates from this one question (can you get there from here) to what it is that makes SF or fantasy valuable. And I think his answer is quite a good one, and also applies to B7. For fantasy he says 'if you can't get there from here then the story has to work by allegory, parallelism, or recognition of the similarity between elements of the story and our own true lives.' whereas 'The true nature and end of SF appears to be transcendence'. So fantasy begins with no anchor in our own lives, but builds a bridge back to us through the truthfulness (hopefully) of its character interaction. To me this describes quite well the way in which many fans appreciate B7. Myth, fantasy and character relationships. While SF starts (hopefully) with some grounding in the 'reality' we live in, but then takes us far far away from the here and now, while keeping a kind of realism intact. And that's the way that I like B7. I'm not saying that way of liking is better though. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:54:03 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake and Avon laughing Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After Lisa wrote: Minnie added: Agreed, they tried this 'let's all have a laugh' ending several times (here, Breakdown and Children being the worst examples) and it was always fairly wince-worthy. Children is the worst, I think, since it added blatant insensitivity to the cringe factor ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:08:01 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@egroups.com, Lysator , Freedom City , Couro Prido , Project Avalon , B7newonelist Subject: [B7L] Redemption PR2 and hotel booking Message-ID: <39E47440.ACCF1C68@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The second progress report for Redemption went in the post this morning along with the hotel booking form. If you have booked for Redemption and don't receive this within a reasonable posting time from Wetherby, UK, please get in touch. Also, it is important to get the hotel forms back quickly so we can tell the hotel how many rooms to reserve for us. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Redemption: The Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 convention 23-25 February 2001, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:23:53 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Blake and Avon laughing Message-ID: <36.c7df296.2715c3e9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/10/2000 6:18:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nicoline.van.den.berg@tip.nl writes: > For a music vid, I'm looking for a scene in which Blake and Avon are > laughing. I seem to remember one at the end of an episode. The joke is on > Vila I believe, but I can't remember which ep. As has already been mentioned, you're probably thinking about TRIAL. I did a quick skim of my vid notes for 1st-2nd season and didn't come up with anything else that has them laughing together, but my notes are neither as complete or as organized as I'd like. You might want to check out the end of REDEMPTION. My notes indicate Avon is laughing before it gets to where Liberator is shown on the forward screen. No mention of whether Blake is laughing, however. If you can't find the perfect scene, another possibility is to find individual scenes of Avon and Blake laughing and cut from one to the other in the video, as if to suggest they are laughing at the same time/laughing together. I don't know if the above mentioned REDEMPTION scene is an isolated shot of Avon laughing or not. I also found mention of Blake laughing (again, I don't know if he's alone in the frame) near the end of WEAPON. My note reads "Blake laughing on couch." Good luck with the video, Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:47:37 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Fantasy Message-ID: <20001011224737.A22373@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 08:30:01AM +0100, Judith Proctor wrote: > On Wed 11 Oct, dixonm@pobox.com wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:06:52 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >I'm somewhat curious as to why B7 went with the idea of sentient > > >*computers* rather than androids, as regular characters. > > > > Cheaper to pay for a voice-only actor? Or did you want an in-universe > > explanation? If the latter, then why have androids when you can have mutoids? > > Because androids always look like a man in a plastic suit, whereas Orac looks > like something original? > > If an android looks perfectly human, then there doesn't seem that > much point in having an android. (Even Data had make up to change > his skin colour) But now that I think of it, B7 *did* have androids -- just not as regular characters. There was the Avalon android, and the Vinni android. And in both cases they were designed to fool people into believing they were human. Avalon was modeled after a real human being, but we don't know what Vinni's origins were. Mind you, with cyber-surgeons and brain-prints, maybe Vinni was programmed with the brain-print of a real human -- which is why he thought he was human. So, the androids were simulations of human beings; were they self-aware? They certainly passed the Turing test, but they weren't artificial intelligences the same way that Zen, Orac and Slave were, I don't think. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Now it is a strange thing, but things that are good to have and days that are good to spend are soon told about, and not much to listen to; while things that are uncomfortable, palpitating, and even gruesome, may make a good tale, and take a deal of telling anyway." -- J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Hobbit" -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:00:25 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Travis model Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Travis is now painted and ready to post. Those who pre-paid will have theirs posted as soon as this rain stops! I've currently 3 Travis and 1 Blake in hand and ready to post. After they've gone, the usual painting delay of several weeks will resume. As he proved easier to paint (an all black costume has some advantages), Travis is a couple of pounds cheaper than Avon and Blake. Those who pre-paid will get a refund of the difference on their credit cards. All new orders for a painted Travis will be at the new price. Ian hasn't forgotten Jarriere. There was a delay in him making the primary model due to him adopting an orphaned kitten. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:21:50 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Eclecticon + zines Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I expect to be doing a batch of zine printing next week. I'm hoping (touch wood) to print Star Four (that's the new genzine) and also copies of Pressure Point and Stadler Link. If anyone wants copies of the above brought over to Eclecticon, it would help if you let me know now and then I can be sure that I print enough copies. This applies especially to Pressure Point and Stadler Link. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:42:00 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Blake's 7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Fantasy Message-ID: In message <20001011224737.A22373@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen writes >But now that I think of it, B7 *did* have androids -- just not as >regular characters. There was the Avalon android, and the Vinni >android. And in both cases they were designed to fool people into >believing they were human. Avalon was modeled after a real human >being, but we don't know what Vinni's origins were. Mind you, with >cyber-surgeons and brain-prints, maybe Vinni was programmed with the >brain-print of a real human -- which is why he thought he was human. Yes, this is what I find curious. There are self-aware androids in the series - Vinnie being so good at the Turing test that it appears he himself was not aware of not being human - but the *regular* characters who are AIs come in a physical form that we'd call computer, rather than robot. And some of the one-off characters are also self-aware computers. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 00 13:27:16 PDT From: Jacqui Speel To: Subject: [B7L] Travis phone home! Message-ID: <20001011202716.7298.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How did Travis get in touch with the Andromedans before he got to Star On= e? (They are unlikely to put out the equivalent of the cards in the newsagen= t's window saying 'We are about to invade your galaxy shortly. Disaffected would-be button pushers please contact us at... by...'? And why not monit= or the broadcasts, lure Servalan to Star One, replace her & then get all the= Federation military spaceships to line up nicely to be eliminated? Avon would no doubt have told Servalan in Aftermath that Travis was dead = on Star One and that he had been in some sort of cahoots with the Andromedan= s. However, she would have no independent proof: the absence of Travis there= after would not be direct evidence - and on Terminal she lied to Avon about Bla= ke. For all she knew Travis was lying low, still chasing Blake. It would only= be at or after Gauda Prime that she could be confident that Travis was dead:= if he had been alive he would have appeared there. = ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home= =2Enetscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:42:17 -0400 From: "Christine+Steve" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis phone home! Message-ID: <00a401c033c3$bfdaca00$3f0a9ad8@cgorman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Apologies, Jacqui, I originally sent this to your mailbox only). Jacqui Speel wrote : > How did Travis get in touch with the Andromedans before he got to Star One? > (They are unlikely to put out the equivalent of the cards in the newsagent's > window saying 'We are about to invade your galaxy shortly. Disaffected > would-be button pushers please contact us at... by...'? And why not monitor > the broadcasts, lure Servalan to Star One, replace her & then get all the > Federation military spaceships to line up nicely to be eliminated? I've got 2 ideas for this. I would have thought that when he obtained the location of Star One, Travis headed there straight away. Suppose he then encountered an alien scout vessel, demonstrated to them his contempt for all mankind and convinced the aliens to join forces. He then left to obtain some sort of supplies. The main alien strike team then arrived and took over Star One, none of whom had met Travis before. The Liberator then got there before Travis could get back. Either that, or Travis heard of the first alien attack in "Killer", started to make his plans and somehow managed to contact those aliens. We don't know if they are the same alien force, but they could have been. Annoyed that there original plan failed, when Travis contacts the aliens with a new plan, they jump at the chance to join forces. Both parties head to Star One on Travis' signal. I tend to like the second one more myself, gives Travis more credit for planning things early, which we saw a lot of in the first season. Steve Dobson. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:01:38 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Fantasy Message-ID: <200010112001_MC2-B69F-63CA@compuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Iain wrote: >when I was a little boy with a cute button nose = >I really wanted to be Doctor Who. Now I think about it, Iain as Dr Who makes perfect sense... Is this goin= g to turn back into a recasting thread? Harriet -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #285 **************************************