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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 1
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Viewing figures
Re: re[B7L] What women like
[B7L] Rumours of death
Re: [B7L] re: Jarvik vs Tarrant
Re: [B7L] Rumours of death
Re: [B7L] Re Terminal, and an apology
[B7L] Slash Debate
re[B7L] re Terminal , and aplogy
re[B7L] re Viewing Figures
re[B7L] re viewing figures
RE[B7L] re The Great Escapes
re[B7L] re What women like
[B7L] Emergency Ward 10/Avengers
[B7L] PGP Fanfic
Re: [B7L] Slash debate
[B7L] Quote request
Re: [B7L] Harvest of kairos
[B7L] Volume and issue number
Re: [B7L] Emergency Ward 10/Avengers
Re: [B7L] Slash debate
Re: re[B7L] re viewing figures
Re: re[B7L] re Viewing Figures
Re: [B7L] Slash debate
[B7L] Re: Slash debate
Re: re[B7L] re viewing figures
Re: [B7L] re: Jarvik vs Tarrant
Re: [B7L] JetC11 - Avery Brooks
[B7L] Acting on my second resolution
Re: [B7L] Slash debate
[B7L] caption contest!
[B7L] 20th Anniversary today!
[B7L] re Emergency Ward 10/Avengers
re [B7L] re Jarvik vs Tarrant
re [B7L] re Viewing Figures
Re[B7L] Quote request
[B7L] re{B7L] re Viewing figures
re [B7L] Slash debate
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:14:07 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
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STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote:
> Here are the figures in millions of viewers for the programmes
> first showings:
How odd that 2nd season tallied the lowest figures.
B7 fans unilaterally agree it's the best of the 4 series.
And how odd that 3rd season tallied high, when it was so scattered,
plotwise.
Pat P
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:25:00 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
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Jackie wrote:
> PS just for the record, my favourite Avon costume is the silky black
> shirt he wore in Aftermath (and open to the chest! ho hum)
that's "yum yum"
(less *is* more)
hmmm - have we done a survey yet on the fave Avon outfit?
My vote also goes to
1. the black silky shirt
2. the black t-neck with red leather trousers
3. the intimidating 4th season "Ghengis Khan" get up
Pat P
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:08:26 -0000
From: "Jennifer Beavan" <J.Beavan@btinternet.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Rumours of death
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Help, am I the only one who thinks Avon's actions in Rumours are
self-indulgent crap?
He wasn't saving Anna; he was just going in for a piece of pointless
personal revenge. Remove Shrinker and another takes his place.
He was also deliberately endangering the rest of the crew. There's no way
to be sure you won't break under torture.
Bet you 50 cents Blake wouldn't have let him do it!
Jennifer
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:24:26 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Jarvik vs Tarrant
Message-ID: <199801011924.OAA11535@yfn.ysu.edu>
Deborah Rose wrote (after ably defending Tarrant):
>"Who STILL can't believe I've come to Tarrant's defense; and no, I am not nor
>want to be a member of the Tarrant Nostra:)"
Run hard and fast, Deborah. We've inducted fans for far less... ;-)
Carol McCoy
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 15:14:20 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rumours of death
Message-ID: <199801012014.PAA14902@yfn.ysu.edu>
Jennifer wrote:
>Help, am I the only one who thinks Avon's actions in Rumours are
>self-indulgent crap?
That's an interesting question, Jennifer, one I hadn't considered
before. But now I have and here's the result:
Self-indulgent? Yes. Crap? No. At least not to my way of thinking.
I'm sure Avon realized it was pointless personal revenge. Well,
pointless to everyone except himself. It was a matter of personal
honor to him (IMHO). That Avon could allow sentiment to take
precedence over common sense shows how important it was to him.
>He was also deliberately endangering the rest of the crew. There's no way
>to be sure you won't break under torture.
But apparently the majority of the crew (at least) agreed to back him
in the endeavor. They weren't dragged there against their will. Except
perhaps Cally who appeared to disapprove. But since she had accepted
that a majority vote allowed them to overrule Avon and go to Auron's aid,
she couldn't very well object to majority rule here.
I appreciate the personal loyalty the crew showed to Avon in this
episode. And I expect the crew appreciated that Avon could have such
strong feelings for Anna. It was a side of Avon they hadn't seen
before. I know Tarrant valued loyalty highly, and he was probably
relieved to find that Avon was capable of loyalty (something Avon
hadn't much shown him up until "Rumours").
I also like that Avon felt he could share his feelings for Anna and
his plan for revenge with his third-season crew. Revealing such a
vulnerable side couldn't have been easy for him. Yet he trusted them
enough to do that. And they backed him to the point where they
wouldn't allow him to go to Servalan's palace alone. While it
wasn't Avon's intent, his quest for revenge initiated a degree of
crew bonding that had to benefit all of them in the long run.
Carol McCoy
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:19:20 +0100 (MET)
From: gwr@easynet.co.uk (Gareth Randall)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re Terminal, and an apology
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> - how did Dorian know that the Liberator was going to be there?
Ummm... err... hmmm! Aren't we due for another round of the perennial
"recasting B7" thread? =;-) (Answer : please God, no!)
How about this : we know that Dorian was a student of Ensor, and so
presumably learned a few of his computer-building tricks. He incorporated
these into Slave, which became capable of reading Federation comms traffic,
if only in a limited way - this would have been useful regardless of the
Liberator.
Slave picked up the messages Servalan beamed at the Liberator, although
Dorian was as in the dark as Avon as to their source - he only knew that the
Liberator was heading to a predetermined point, so he set out there himself.
As to what he was planning to do when he got there... pass!
Gareth
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gwr
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:52:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Sondra Sweigman <sweigman@world.std.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Slash Debate
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Re Iain's and Kathryn's postings on slash: How right you are. I
would only add that the same goes for writers who feel the necessity to
sexualize a male-female bond in order to make it "ultimately meaningful."
Can anyone here spell "Mulder & Scully"? Wrong list, I suppose :-)
-- Sondra
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:16:13 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Gareth Randall wrote:
>
> > - how did Dorian know that the Liberator was going to be there?
>
> Ummm... err... hmmm! Aren't we due for another round of the perennial
> "recasting B7" thread? =;-) (Answer : please God, no!)
>
> How about this : we know that Dorian was a student of Ensor, and so
> presumably learned a few of his computer-building tricks. He incorporated
> these into Slave, which became capable of reading Federation comms traffic,
> if only in a limited way - this would have been useful regardless of the
> Liberator.
>
> Slave picked up the messages Servalan beamed at the Liberator, although
> Dorian was as in the dark as Avon as to their source - he only knew that the
> Liberator was heading to a predetermined point, so he set out there himself.
>
> As to what he was planning to do when he got there... pass!
He said what he wanted. He wanted the crew of the Liberator to meld with
his Gestalt, to produce a much more powerful resevior for his sins. Hence
there was an extra glass poured out by Soolin - for Cally.
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:09:50 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re[B7L] re Viewing Figures
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Pat Patera wrote:
>
> STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote:
>
> > Here are the figures in millions of viewers for the programmes
> > first showings:
>
> How odd that 2nd season tallied the lowest figures.
> B7 fans unilaterally agree it's the best of the 4 series.
> And how odd that 3rd season tallied high, when it was so scattered,
> plotwise.
> Pat P
That`s funny, I was always under the impression that the 3rd series was
the most popular with fans.
I also remember reading somewhere that on 21st Decenber 1981 OVER 10
million tuned in to watch the episode Blake, the ending of which was not
a surprise to anyone as a national newspaper took great delight in
spilling the beans to all their readers that day (the amount of phone
calls I got that day from "friends" telling me all about it, and thus
spoiling it for me when I watched it.)
Because I *knew* what was going to happen rather spoiled it for me, but
even so it was a terrible shock to see it so graphic. Believe it or not
I could not watch that episode again for another 5 years (does that make
me a wuss or what?!?!).
Then I got into video/music mixes and used the last few minutes of that
episode in a lot of mixes. Most of them were really silly but they did
exorcise the spectre of that episode. Of the mixes I made, I only kept
one: The fed guards surrounding Avon to the tune of Napoleon XIV singing
"They`re coming to take me away. Ha! Ha!"
That says it all really.
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:09:15 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re[B7L] re viewing figures
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Patrick Bean wrote:
>
> On Wed 31 Dec 97 (06:07:35 +0100), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote:
> > D13 Blake 9.0
>
> Ironic that the most watched episode in the fourth season was the last one.
As I mentined in another post, the demise of everyone was plastered all
over a national newspaper. So a lot more people watched to see the
gruesome shootout. I know for a fact that at least 5 households of non-B7
fans watched it, because they all told me they watched it simply so that
could tease me about it later.
> It could have a lot to do with what else was one other channels. As ( I would
> guess) most homes only had one TV and not many VCRs. Were any of them
> repeated? I think that I remember seeing deliverance one weekday afternoon.
> 8 episodes of series three were repeated prior to the first showing of
series 4. Series 4 was repeated again after much lobbying by the fans
(who wanted the all 4 series repeated, not just the last one)
Most people I knew had video recorders by 1981.
I don`t know where you could have seen Deliverence on a week day
afternoon. Unless it was at a friend`s house who, like me, obtained
pirate copies - which was the only way to get them before the BBC
relented and released the official ones. One such episode has German
subtitles on it (Bounty, I think).
But then again I seem to remember reading that Deliverence and Orac were
shown together as a "feature length" episode, but I didn`t think that it
was in the UK, maybe Judith can help here?
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:09:27 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE[B7L] re The Great Escapes
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Ovina Maria Feldman wrote:
>
> > On Mon 29 Dec, Sven Klinge wrote:
> > > Judith wrote:
> > >
> > > > by firing at them, he is
> > > >essentially forcing them to kill him.
> Judith Proctor wrote:>
>
> > If he got hit by that many stun charges, the overload would probably kill
> > him anyway. There's no such animal as a safe stun weapon.
>
> I'm relatively new to the fanzine world, but one theory I haven't seen,
> in my admittedly limited experience, is that it was neither Avon nor the
> troops surrounding him that fired. We only see Avon surrounded by troops
> -- who for all the good reasons mentioned have probably been ordered to
> capture as many rebels alive as possible -- and then we hear 2 or 3
> shots fired. They may have been fired by someone else entering the
> scene. Possibilities include Servalan of course, but might just as well
> be rebel re-enforcements, another bounty hunter coming in, some other
> Federation officer (I like the idea of someone else out there with
> Servalan's ambition and ability who either was or could have been a
> serious rival)...
I have read a couple of fanfic stories that started with rebel
re-inforcements being the ones that started the firing. One story
continued with Blake recovering, after timely intervention with medical
assistance. The other one had Blake dead, and the rebels not very
pleased with his killer.
However, after much searching I found the relevent interview with Mary
Ridge, where she states:
"The first shot was from Avon`s gun. The next three shots were from
Federation guns - then the next two were Avon`s again"
That quote was from an interview Mary gave in the Blakes7 Marvel monthly.
So the remaining unanswered questions are:
1) Did Avon manage to kill all those guards with just three shots?
2) Were those last two shots of Avon`s a dying relex action?
3. Or a relex action of a man collapsing from stun shots?. After all
there were only three, and Gans constitution needed 3 drugged darts in
Horizon. It was noted in Ultraword that Avon had a particularly strong
mind/body in defying the "sleep process".
Another reason I have for the Stun Gun theory, is that, yes the Feds knew
that Blake was to be found there, but that they did not know which guards
would be the ones to reach them, so issued all of them with the stunners.
The feds wanted Blake alive, for the same reason that they did not want
him dead in The Way Back. A dead martyr is a much more powerful rallying
point for potential rebels. They must have been over the moon to find
that Blake had apparently been murdered by his one time
Second-in-Command. Someone they can safely try in court and have
publically executed.
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:09:43 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Pat Patera wrote:
>
> Jackie wrote:
>
> > PS just for the record, my favourite Avon costume is the silky black
> > shirt he wore in Aftermath (and open to the chest! ho hum)
> that's "yum yum"
I did not want to infringe on your sayings too much, but yes the outfit
is definately a yum yum.
Paul wore an almost identical outfit when he toured in the "scottish
play" a few years back. It is just as yummy in "the flesh" (so to speak)
as it is on the TV.
> (less *is* more)
>
> hmmm - have we done a survey yet on the fave Avon outfit?
>
> My vote also goes to
> 1. the black silky shirt
> 2. the black t-neck with red leather trousers
> 3. the intimidating 4th season "Ghengis Khan" get up
>
> Pat P
I also quite like the outfit he wore in Killer (the one Tarrant borrowed
for Traitor).
I often wondered how well that outfit actually fitted Tarrant. Given that
he is so much taller than Avon, does that mean his trousers were a little
on the short side? (the sleeves on the top seemed alright, but the
difference in height is definately noticable).
bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:09:05 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Emergency Ward 10/Avengers
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Jackie wrote:
>
> Heather Smith wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > >Oooooh!!!! What is Emergency Room 10? It was a
> > sort
> > > > of predecessor to The Avengers.
> > >
> > > "THE AVENGERS"!?!?!?!?! Try the predecessor of Britain's Casualty, or
> >
> > Um, sorry, I *knew* that didn't sound right. Something like that was a
> > predecessor to The Avengers though. Something had the original Avengers
> > cast (Ian Hendry and Steed), from which came that most wonderful and
> > British show.
I looked up the article about the Avengers. The FIRST series of the
Avengers did star Ian Hendry and Steed. The second series was held up by
a strike (it didn`t say who was striking) and Ian Hendry moved on. His
place was taken by Mrs Peel.
I`m still not sure whether EW10 had Ian Hendry in, or whether it was
before or after The Avengers. Have to wait until an interview with Ian
Hendry comes up, or someone asks Paul at Deliverence. Dare Ya!
Apolgies to everyone for being OFF TOPIC.
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: 1 Jan 1998 15:03:50 -0800
From: "Buck, Courtney" <buck#m#_courtney@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] PGP Fanfic
Message-ID: <n1328455245.90065@SSDGWY.mdc.com>
>> I wrote:
>> However, I'm a firm believer in the "Avon and Blake set it up together"
>> scenerio. It seems strange to me that there is no PGP fanfic on this
>> theory.
>Kathryn wrote:
>HA! No fanfic on this theory? You haven't been reading enough fanfic!
This is probably true. I only discovered B7 less than a year ago, and while I
have been buying zines like crazy and now own "a ton" of them. I haven't had
the time to read them as I'd like to (nevertheless, it's a delight just to own
them).
Could you suggest some zines or stories I could look for that focus on the "Avon
and Blake set it up" theory?? It would be very much appreciated.
Thank you
Courtney
(an AVON fan)
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:08:54 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate
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Iain's contribution was the best expressed and most convincing reason for
being uncomfortable with slash which I have seen on a mailing list. I know
Iain isn't unique in those attitudes I just felt that he conveyed them very
well.
I don't want to be flippant, but I don't want to be too boring so I'll try
to be brief, and trust that my meaning is clear.
- I'm sure slash fans universally believe in platonic relationships as well
as sexualised ones. IMHO Iain is mistaken to think that women don't have
intense non-sexual relationships with each other. But then it's an
understandable mistake for a man to make - no first hand experience of
course.
- I think there is a lot to be said for art forms which preserve tension,
of whatever kind, without collapsing it. Any erotic fanfic could be felt to
collapse the tension, perhaps that is why it can be a bit disappointing (to
me anyway). The writers I like best make an attempt to address this issue.
I do think it is a problem with fanfic in general. The show leaves you
unsatisfied, so you write to address that dissatisfaction. then you run the
risk of losing the fragile quality which attracted you in the first place.
- There are a lot of restrictions on how women can express their emotional
and sexual needs. In a lot of slash (this is just my opinion) women project
those needs onto men because men are 'allowed' to have the needs, and to
act on them. In a way the men in erotic fiction are surrogate women with
permission to act. So in a sense these *aren't* real men.
Heck, this is a bit of a mess, but to put it right would make it too long,
so please read with tolerance.
Alison
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:54:11 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Quote request
Message-Id: <1987152MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Hi, Can anyone help me with this? There is a famous quote
from Avon, I think, to either Vila or Blake that goes something
like "What part of the word No didn't you understand". Can
someone tell me who said it to whom, what the actual words
were and what episode it was in?
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 98 23:52:13 GMT
From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of kairos
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On Thu 1 Jan 98 (17:51:05 +0100), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote:
> A couple of more encounters like this and Volcano, and the Federation would
> have been using garbage scows for a military fleet.
Yes, What with the war (star one/aftermath), 'volcano' and 'Harvest' it is
little wonder that they needed the blaster crystals replaced one epsiode later.
Was 'The keeper' the first time the liberator destoryed federation ship? I
suppose it was always easier to run rather than to fight.
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 98 19:38:32 GMT
From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Volume and issue number
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On Thu 1 Jan 98 (17:51:05 +0100), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote:
> blakes7-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 290
Should this not be Volume 98 : Issue 1, as it was sent to me at 15:51 GMT today
or dose it have to be changed manually?
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:59:05 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Emergency Ward 10/Avengers
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Jackie wrote:
>I looked up the article about the Avengers. The FIRST series of the
>Avengers did star Ian Hendry and Steed. The second series was held up
>by a strike (it didn`t say who was striking) and Ian Hendry moved on.
>His place was taken by Mrs Peel.
Well, no, not immediately it wasn't.
First series (1961): starred Ian Henry as Dr David Keel, a role described
as similar to the one Hendry had previously played in the series _Police
Surgeon_, & Patrick Macnee as John Steed.
Second series (1962): filming delayed by Equity (actors') strike, Hendry
dropped out. Replaced by Honor Blackman as Mrs Catherine Gale, Steed's
principal partner, along with Julie Stevens as Venus Smith and Jon Rollason
as Dr Martin King, who appeared in only a few episodes each.
Third series (1963-4): Steed & Cathy Gale. (Venus Smith & Dr King were
dropped.)
Fourth series (1965-6): Introduced Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) as Steed's new
cohort, after Blackman decided not to continue as Cathy Gale.
Fifth series (1967-8): Steed & Emma Peel.
Sixth series (1969): Brought in Linda Thorson as Tara King, after Diana
Rigg's departure.
--
- Lisa
<lcw@dallas.net>
<lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
Lisa's Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:58:43 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate
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Alison Page wrote:
>
> Heck, this is a bit of a mess, but to put it right would make it too long,
> so please read with tolerance.
>
You just said it better than I'd ever heard before. I think you're spot
on.
> - I think there is a lot to be said for art forms which preserve tension,
> of whatever kind, without collapsing it.
<snip>
While for men, consumation is the goal, for women that can be the let
down.
One slash story I still remember vividly after many years starred Avon
and Vila (*not* a fave combo) casing a rich man's mansion during a
party. They went from room to room to room, drooling over the riches and
looking for the very best thing to take - all the while flirting and
teasing outrageously. I don't recall if they actually manged to steal
anything, for they were interrupted (*not* coitus interruptus!) in the
far back room and had to make a hasty escape. But the writer's mastery
of building tension remains unmatched in anything else I've ever read.
And if they'd had the chance to consumate, it would have deflated the
whole aching wad.
Pat P
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:01:04 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Jackie wrote:
> As I mentined in another post, the demise of everyone was plastered all
> over a national newspaper <snip>
> fans watched it, because they all told me they watched it simply so that
> could tease me about it later.
With friends like that, who needs enemies?
;)
Pat P
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:09:30 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Jackie wrote:
> That`s funny, I was always under the impression that the 3rd series was
> the most popular with fans.
My opinion comes from those in the So. California BBC fan club, so it is
admittedly a small sample.
> the episode Blake, the ending of which was not
> a surprise to anyone as a national newspaper took great delight in
> spilling the beans to all their readers that day
wow! there's one good thing we can say about U.S. media - they do not
speak spoilers. Probably because they're in bed with all the producers
and don't want to dampen viewership figures and thus offend the
advertisers.
> I could not watch that episode again for another 5 years (does that make
> me a wuss or what?!?!).
I can't watch the end of it. I adore the ep - all that creeping through
dank misty forest - the overhead patrols, the desperation of the crew.
Watching bounty hunter Blake (absolutely his shining star moment in the
whole series) play his new personna. But I always stop and rewind before
the bitter end. It leaves me too depressed.
Yes, that last moment, with Blake going to his knees, and the red lights
and all, is used in a great many songvids. Too many, in fact. I can
watch it in a vid, but it gets redundant.
Pat P
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 19:21:41 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> Iain put his finger on it exactly. Deep platonic relationships are
> intense in another dimension, and to drag sex into it is not only
> completely unnecessary, but it takes a chainsaw to what the actual
> relationship *is*.
I agree. The actual relationship is intensely intellectual, which I find
sexy in itself (wadda expect? my own personality tests out as analytic,
"the scientist") It's also combative, which pleases those two
competitive kind of guys.
However, I can still enjoy the radically different takes different
writers have on the situation. That in itself is a study in the nearly
limitless bounds of human creativity and ingenuity. And, if one has a
firm grip on, for instance, Jenna's true canon character, why not let
her rip as a homocidal maniac every now and then? If you've got the PMS,
baby, flaunt it! :)
Pat P
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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:34:33 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <H_F_Monkhouse@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Slash debate
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To Iain and Kathryn, especially
I assure you I place the highest value on strong, intense, platonic
friendships, whether same-sex or otherwise. I depend on them to keep
myself living (in a way that I don't depend on sexual ones) so I wouldn't
see them devalued for the world. It's just that, in this particular case,
it's impossible for me to say that's what I see in Blake and Avon. (Cally
and Jenna, maybe...)
[oh, brilliant, that's where the other red biro got to... sorry...]
But there isn't a correct answer. Your belief about the nature of the ties
between them is just as true as mine, because the truth about this
particular story exists only in our separate minds. Even, though I boggle
to think of it, in the Tarrant Nostra's. And, though I am sorry that it
distresses you, it would be untrue to my truth to deny the sexual frisson I
first sensed between Blake and Avon nearly 20 years ago. Sue Clerc is
exactly right (for me) - I'm perfectly happy (and maybe happier) if it
isn't explicit. If they don't notice. That's my truth. For others, it's
right out in the open. For you, it's something else entirely. That's
good. I don't like absolutes.
I do hope Iain is coming down to Stoke. It would be a pity to miss someone
who writes such interesting posts on so many topics.
Harriet
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:52:15 +1100 (EST)
From: Gordon Burgess & Carol Mason <gcb7@magna.com.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: re[B7L] re viewing figures
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<snip>
>>I don`t know where you could have seen Deliverence on a week day
>>afternoon. Unless it was at a friend`s house who, like me, obtained
>>pirate copies - which was the only way to get them before the BBC
>>relented and released the official ones. One such episode has German
>>subtitles on it (Bounty, I think).
>>But then again I seem to remember reading that Deliverence and Orac were
>>shown together as a "feature length" episode, but I didn`t think that it
>>was in the UK, maybe Judith can help here?
>>Bye for now
>>Jackie
>>
>>
I don't know about the UK but here in Australia there was four compliation
videos released, before all the episodes were available.
They were : "In the Begining" , "Duel" , "Orac" , "Aftermath" .
I don't remember them ever being shown on the ABC though.
Carol,
Take care, Peace be with you,
Carol "Hondo" Mason
<gcb7@magna.com.au>
"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity"
"Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film"
"Friends may come and go, but enemies tend to accumlate"
"If you can't convince them, confuse them"
"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk"
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Date: 02 Jan 1998 12:19:04 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Jarvik vs Tarrant
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Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com> writes:
> I'd vote for:
Carnell!
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
"I'd rather hang on to madness than normality" -- KaTe Bush
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Date: 02 Jan 1998 12:28:57 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [B7L] JetC11 - Avery Brooks
Message-ID: <usius3i07a.fsf@sandra.lysator.liu.se>
"Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk> writes:
> *Everyone* has signed for seasn 7. Ira and Lolita have been talking about
> it running a year and a half - 36 episodes, but I can't see how they'd
> manage that, so I doubt they will....
Season 7? Blake's 7 only had four seasons!
The originator of this thread decided to send it to a shitload of
addresses, which seems to include at least three different mailing
lists. Please do not compund the mistake when you post, but remove all
addresses except the one(s) you actually want to send to.
/admin of the B7 list
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
"I'd rather hang on to madness than normality" -- KaTe Bush
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:58:47 -0500
From: DJ Wight <Angnak@compuserve.com>
To: B7Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Acting on my second resolution
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My first one being to read all e-mail the day I get it, as
opposed to several months later....
Second resolution was to get on with saying hello
on this list a bit more formally. *With* immediate
apologies to everyone here who's also on the Space City
list, because you may recognize much of this 'introduction'
as a cutting-together of two of my early posts there, some
months back--sorry! dump to avoid duplication--and to
anyone who may feel as I tend to do, that in this context
there's no way for the recycling not to be tacky.
My problem is that when I went back to look, those earlier
posts still said near enough exactly what I wanted to say.
***
"Reality is a dangerous concept. Each one of us interprets it
in a slightly different way. Every sense impression is filtered
by the brain. Sometimes just a little, sometimes completely.
To fit our individual model of what the world is about."
Dr. Havant - Blake's physician in "The Way Back"
It's rare for me to *watch* television. I tend more to ignore it,
while doing other things. Nothing, as a rule, that much
requires attention--any number of needful but mindless
household tasks will do--which is important now, only as a
basis for saying that the first time I heard the words "Reality
is a dangerous concept," Dr. Havant caught me on my feet.
Beyond me now, to say what I was doing! but I remember
that I stopped, and turned, and listened, and when he was
done, stood watching for a time, and thinking, *that* had the
sound of a warning. Wondering a little, as the story moved on,
and so did I.
Four and a half years later, the moment still holds me. I still
wonder a little, how it was meant. Not that it matters a lot.
For me, what's intended in a work may be of interest, but
can never be as important as what's achieved, and for me,
what's achieved in this passage is such a strong, elegantly
stated reminder of how subjective our perceptions are, that
even if it *was* intended as no more than a passing thought--
a passing challenge, to Blake's perception of his experience--
it still has the sound of a warning. A warning of an hypothesis
about to be brilliantly demonstrated. :) In the moment, I
could still equally well say by Terry Nation or myself.
I did have the advantage of knowing that my first impression
of Blake and company was an illusion, because it was an
illusion of familiarity. To digress for a moment, to what and
when that impression was:
It was late one Saturday night in July '93 that I first zapped
across the B7 opening titles and thought "What the hell."
I'd caught glimpses of the programme in mid-stream twice
in earlier weeks. With hindsight, fragments of "Mission to
Destiny" and "Project Avalon". Enough for me to smile at the
costumes and think: "definitely '70s". Enough to have the
general idea that Blake and company were freedom fighters
trying to knock off a galactic Federation. Not enough to put
names to the faces, or even be clear about who was on
which side, or how many sides there were. Enough to
wonder if this had been the BBC's answer to ST:TOS.
Not enough to stay up for it. However, that night--courtesy of a
caffeine overload I was going to be awake willing or not,
and there wasn't anything else on the air that looked even
remotely interesting.
The episode on air that night was "Breakdown". Not for most
fans a top-10 favourite, something of a quiet evening at home
with the family, but as a 'medivac' story, the perfect introduction
for a northerner--beside the point, for the moment. My first
impression was that as a team of freedom fighters, this group
was definitely on the wild side. If *team* was the word. Blake
appeared rather more to be managing a madhouse under
a full moon. Gan an apparent 'gentle giant' type running amok
due to problems with a limiter implant meant to keep him
from being--what? A killer? (I still love the way he yelps "--Sorry!"
as he flips Jenna across the flight deck.) The ship's computer
going on *strike* when ordered to take them through an
unspecified-hazard zone. Avon clearly ambivalent about being
there at all, telling Blake that if they survived he would be
finished, it requiring a degree of stupidity he no longer felt
capable of, to stay, and being told by Blake that he was just
being modest. *That* setting the tone for that relationship!
Jenna an attractive lady with evident nerve and interesting
edges, Vila a sincerely professional coward and comedian,
and Cally an apparently sweet, kind, and insanely trusting
young lady (in which case, how had she come to be looking
after *this* bunch?) surprisingly dense about the possibility of
being decked by their not-so-gentle giant once she let him
out of restraints. I was charmed with the fact that no one
appeared to be cast into any one role aboard ship. Everyone
seemed to be in messing with the medical equipment when
they were figuring out what was wrong with Gan, and it looked
as though any of them were liable to turn up at any station
on the flight deck. I was delighted with the intelligence most
of them showed, and their apparent near-zero tolerance for
woolly-mindedness, prevarication, or bullshit. Absolute zero,
in Avon's case. It all looked to be quite a challenge for their
likeable leader, whom I found something of a puzzlement.
He did show the strength it would take to keep command of
such a volatile crew, but on the whole he seemed to be too
open and good-humoured a soul, to stand a chance of
managing the trick for long. Very nearly, well--cuddly! I was
tremendously impressed, once I quit laughing.
I also felt rather as though I'd come home. Home to a small,
isolated community in the Arctic, about mid-winter. To a
disparate group of tough, clever, blazingly forthright people,
on the whole *not* clearly together by choice, and in at least
one case frankly ambivalent about being there...all bound,
none the less, by the fact of being together. By the demands
of a situation in which they were all in some danger, and on
that occasion, the needs of one insane and dying. In calling it
a 'medivac' story, I originally said it couldn't have resonated
more strongly for a northerner. I considered saying 'for a
settlement person' and didn't, because the term doesn't mean
much, unless you know what a settlement is, or what living in
one means, but that's what I was thinking. Part of being a
settlement person is waiting in the dark at mid-winter, for a
plane to come, and watching the whole community wait,
and pray it gets there before someone dies. If you *have*
the plane, or the snowmobile, or the dog team, if that's
what it takes, it means taking whatever chances you have
to, to see that person safe. Even if it's someone half the
settlement hates and the other half fears, because simply
being together, in that isolation--you do belong to each
other, whether you want to or not. Run "Breakdown" some
time and at the end imagine a voice saying, "Like *THAT*."
Seventeen years out of the settlements, the sensation was
unexpected enough to guarantee I'd be back the next week.
That next week, PBS Detroit skipped from "Breakdown"
to "Orac", and there it was again. There were more layers
to what was going on, but again, it hit my filters essentially
as a 'medivac' story, and again, resonated. In the
characters' strength; the sheer stubbornness with which
they carried on. In the ways they drew together around
what was happening, despite it being fairly clear they
weren't that close as individuals. Above all in the speed,
decisiveness, sharp wits and hard-edged practicality with
which they faced their uncertainties. In the settlements,
we used to say that Rule One was "Ignore or deny reality,
and it will kill you." These people seemed to understand that.
Even *knowing* it had to be an illusion, it was electrifying.
Then came "Redemption", and the realization that the
series had been run as a *continuing* story. :) And the first few
minutes of that *really* made me a fan!
--DJ
angnak@compuserve.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:08:58 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate
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On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Iain Coleman wrote:
> I told myself I wouldn't get involved. But then,
8-) Don't you hate it when that happens? I loved your post,
I respect your feelings on this issue, and I admire your courage in
posting them. I even agreed with some of what you said. I understand
if you don't want to go further with the topic (there are entire
ranges of subjects I avoid in order to keep my keyboard intact).
I've snipped a lot because other people have already addressed the
points I would've, and mostly done it better. 8-)
> Bloodless
> revolutions and other silly plots not only aren't in the same league of
> wrongness, they're in a completely different sport. Blake being naive
> violates his character, the good guys winning without cost violates the
> tone of the series, but Blake and Avon shagging violates everything I know
> about relationships between two men.
You have strong feelings on this issue and are more invested in it
than I am. That's cool. But because it's not vital to me, I do group
slash in with all the other twists and interpretations fan fic
encompasses. To me, there is no difference in nature between slash and any
other plot or character variation in fan fic. The point I was trying to
make in my initial post is this: rejecting slash on the principal that
it violates the integrity of the characters is nonsensical because gen
fan fic does the same. And I'm going to add the usual cult studs
disclaimer: mass media images are inherently capable of carrying multiple,
conflicting interpretations. (Not that you even mentioned it, it's just
reflex. 8-) I also want to tack on here before I forget that there are
many, many variations within slash and we're discussing just one kind.
> I was reluctant to enter this discussion, because it's the sort of subject
> where people can seriously offend each other without meaning to. If I've
> done so, I'm sincerely sorry.
Hell no, and ditto.
> I would never wish to stop
> anyone reading and writing what they damn well choose. I just feel that a
> kind of relationship I value greatly is being devalued or ignored.
I don't think it's being devalued or ignored. Or rather, if
it is, then it's the authors of gen stories who bear the blame: slash by
definition is about same-sex relationships that have at least some erotic
potential, whether it's explicit in the story or not. Platonic (and
maybe that's not the best word, given the origins 8-) buddy stories are
outside its purview. FWIW, the very best gen stories that examine B/A are
by slash writers, IMO.
Within slash, at least the kind we're talking about, I think the
relationship is prized and cherished as a joining of soulmates where
the only thing missing is a physical expression of completeness. In a
story like that, sex is practically a metaphor for the couple's wholeness.
Of course, sometimes the sex is there just to make you stick to the
couch, I think. 8-) Slash is a many splendored thing.
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:21:51 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] caption contest!
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The January picture for captioning is up! Vila and Dayna
share a special moment in "Sarcophagus." Quip ealry, quip often.
December's captions are also up. (http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/CapCon.html)
Several new links have been added to the links page.
(http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Resources.html)
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:26:35 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] 20th Anniversary today!
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Twenty years ago today was the first airing of "The Way Back,"
according to the handy Programme Guide. Suggestions for celebratory
activites include ingesting tranquilizing drugs (my favorite), getting
a cat scan, running down abandoned underground tunnels, and wearing
really ugly and unbecoming clothes (got it covered). Avoiding court,
transport cells, and limping men is, as always, advised.
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:22:16 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re Emergency Ward 10/Avengers
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Lisa Williams wrote:
>
> Jackie wrote:
>
> >I looked up the article about the Avengers. The FIRST series of the
> >Avengers did star Ian Hendry and Steed. The second series was held up
> >by a strike (it didn`t say who was striking) and Ian Hendry moved on.
> >His place was taken by Mrs Peel.
>
> Well, no, not immediately it wasn't.
>
> First series (1961): starred Ian Henry as Dr David Keel, a role described
> as similar to the one Hendry had previously played in the series _Police
> Surgeon_, & Patrick Macnee as John Steed.
>
> Second series (1962): filming delayed by Equity (actors') strike, Hendry
> dropped out. Replaced by Honor Blackman as Mrs Catherine Gale, Steed's
> principal partner, along with Julie Stevens as Venus Smith and Jon Rollason
> as Dr Martin King, who appeared in only a few episodes each.
>
> Third series (1963-4): Steed & Cathy Gale. (Venus Smith & Dr King were
> dropped.)
>
> Fourth series (1965-6): Introduced Emma Peel (Diana Rigg) as Steed's new
> cohort, after Blackman decided not to continue as Cathy Gale.
>
> Fifth series (1967-8): Steed & Emma Peel.
>
> Sixth series (1969): Brought in Linda Thorson as Tara King, after Diana
> Rigg's departure.
>
OOOps Sorry. Comes of paraphrasing rather than direct quoting. Mrs Peels
name appears in an earlier paragraph. Patrick does say "Honor took over
some scripts that were written for Hendry."
However, perhaps Police Surgeon is the series that being confused with
Emergency Ward 10 originally!!
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:21:32 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re [B7L] re Jarvik vs Tarrant
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Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>
> Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com> writes:
>
> > I'd vote for:
>
> Carnell!
> --
> Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
> "I'd rather hang on to madness than normality" -- KaTe Bush
A very interesting choice. I like it.
In that case, I`d like to see Carnell AND Jarvik on board at the same
time. These two along with Tarrant and Avon should make some interesting
crew reactions. Carnel knows how to push some very interesting buttons,
and then sit back and watch the resulting fireworks. I can see some
spectacular confrontations between various crew members.
Add a maniac like Dorian to the mix...... oh YES!! pleeeese, someone
write the story!
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:22:06 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re [B7L] re Viewing Figures
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Pat Patera wrote:
>
> Jackie wrote:
>
> > That`s funny, I was always under the impression that the 3rd series was the most popular with fans.
>
> My opinion comes from those in the So. California BBC fan club, so it is admittedly a small sample.
>
> > the episode Blake, the ending of which was not
> > a surprise to anyone as a national newspaper took great delight in
> > spilling the beans to all their readers that day
>
> wow! there's one good thing we can say about U.S. media - they do not
> speak spoilers. Probably because they're in bed with all the producers
> and don't want to dampen viewership figures and thus offend the
> advertisers.
>
It is a sad failing that our popular national dailies take great delight
in printing spoilers for TV programmes. I can only assume they think
that it increases their circulation by printing such "exclusives".
Personally I don`t buy newpapers, I catch the news on Teletext, or Sky
News, but even so, you get people in the works canteen talking about the
"spoilers" they`ve read in the papers. The amount of times I`ve watched a
thriller series and tried to work out who the killer was , only to find
on the morning of the final episode the papers have revealed the killer,
and you accidently hear people on the next table discussing
it!!!!grrrrrrrrr.
Byr for now
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:21:45 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re[B7L] Quote request
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STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote:
>
> Hi, Can anyone help me with this? There is a famous quote
> from Avon, I think, to either Vila or Blake that goes something
> like "What part of the word No didn't you understand". Can
> someone tell me who said it to whom, what the actual words
> were and what episode it was in?
> cheers
> Steve Rogerson
> Really? It was said in Blakes 7?
I`ve been using that on my offspring for ages, I didn`t realise it was
said in B7.
Another quote from B7 that I use (only to people who are not B7 fans tho)
is to suggest an amputation when they complain of a headache. It seems to
bring a smile to their face!!
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:21:57 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re{B7L] re Viewing figures
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Gordon Burgess & Carol Mason wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >>I don`t know where you could have seen Deliverence on a week day
> >>afternoon. Unless it was at a friend`s house who, like me, obtained
> >>pirate copies - which was the only way to get them before the BBC
> >>relented and released the official ones. One such episode has German
> >>subtitles on it (Bounty, I think).
> >>But then again I seem to remember reading that Deliverence and Orac were
> >>shown together as a "feature length" episode, but I didn`t think that it
> >>was in the UK, maybe Judith can help here?
> >>Bye for now
> >>Jackie
> >>
> >>
>
> I don't know about the UK but here in Australia there was four compliation
> videos released, before all the episodes were available.
> They were : "In the Begining" , "Duel" , "Orac" , "Aftermath" .
> I don't remember them ever being shown on the ABC though.
>
> Carol,
>
> Take care, Peace be with you,
We oringinally had three HEAVILY EDITED video releases here, and
eventually we got the fourth (Aftermath), soon after the BBC releases all
52 episodes, the mojority of which are unedited.
However, Patrick Bean who wrote the letter that I was replying to had a
UK email address, and he remembered seeing the episode one afternoon.
If what Patrick remembers seeing was the 2 episodes together, then I
cannot understand why I do not have it on video, unless the Beeb showed
it prior to series 3 being aired.
Perhaps someone else can help? Anyone?
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:57:18 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re [B7L] Slash debate
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Pat Patera wrote:
And, if one has a
> firm grip on, for instance, Jenna's true canon character, why not let
> her rip as a homocidal maniac every now and then? If you've got the PMS,
> baby, flaunt it! :)
>
> Pat P
Not really adding to the debate here, just want to ask Pat P if HOMOCIDAL
was the word meant, or HOMICIDAL. Or was it just a pun given that the
subject matter is Slash?
Just curious
Jackie
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