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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 123
Today's Topics:
RE: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry
Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan?
[B7L] Re:Fandom
Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question)
[B7L] black servie
[B7L] star drive
[B7L] b7 vids
[B7L] Bonhams
[B7L] ZEN is alive and well
[B7L] re: another favour
[B7L] re: Got me angry
Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan?
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
[B7L] re: What makes a fan (new question)
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] re: What makes a fan (new question)
[B7L] re: what makes a fan (new question)
Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry
[B7L] A few new sound files
Re: [B7L] black servie
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
[B7L] I re-took the Keirsney Personality sorter test
[B7L] Blake's 7 and housekeeping
Re: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsey Personality sorter test
[B7L] Got me angry
[B7L] Rendezvous
[B7L] Re: Got me angry
Re: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsey Personality sorter test
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:06:33 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "'ShelaB7'" <ShelaB7@aol.com>,
"blakes7@lysator.liu.se"
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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-----Original Message-----
From: ShelaB7 [SMTP:ShelaB7@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 4:53 AM
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
>> Lorna B wrote:
Liberator was found floating crewless by Tarrant and the Death Squad. As
far as I understand salvage laws, it's finder's keepers, so it really *was*
Tarrant's ship. I thought it was awfully nice of him to let Avon have it
back. :-) >>
Well, he really didn't have much choice, considering ZEN wouldn't talk to
him.
Shela
Wouldn't that make it ZEN's ship?
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:24:26 +0100
From: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: "Jackie" <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry
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Jackie wrote:
>Christopher Wheatley wrote:
>> Jackie,
>>
>> Sorry, but for me a fan is a fan. The reason I am not a member of
>> any fan clubs etc. is becuase, frankly, the overwhelming majority of
>> people who join such organisations are obsessive to the point of
>> extreme boardom. Me, if I like something I like it.
>>
>> Also, the very fact that you refer to what you call 'true' fans as
>> 'we' is a great example of the snobbery inherent in such clubs - if
>> you can't recite every single line of 'Aftermath' then you're not a
>> true fan.
>>
>> There are fans, there are great fans (me) and there are bores...
<snip>
He does have a very valid point. I've been a fan of the program since the
beginning. Though at the age or 6 you don't tend to take it all in. :-)
But that still means I have been a fan for 20 years. I can't recite the
exact words of Aftermath (though I can quote parts of it). I don't
subscribe to any fan clubs (like Horizon). I haven't got a replica Orac
(though I was tempted to get one). I don't have any Blake's 7 memorabilia,
no costumes I've made myself. I do have all the episodes on tape (which I
watch through every episode every 2/3 months) and some of the novels.
So am I still a true fan?
I think I am.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Ian "We can still be champions, mate" Lay
///
:-)
\\\
Watford Internet Football Club
ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or
wifc@wfc.net
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:19:07 +0100
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan?
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Reuben wrote:
>What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider >themselves
>fans of?
Well now tricky but here goes,
Dr. Who (that will *never* change!)
Blake's 7
Then the rest in no real order
The Prisoner
Highlander
The Champions
Buffy The Vampire Slayer
The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Red Dwarf
Star Trek (first three series)
Man from UNCLE
And then just about any other cult SF you care to mention (except that
travesty they call Voyager, yuk!). Has anybody else noticed we seem to have
a lot of Dr. Who fans around here?
Heather.
'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:01:42 +1000
From: Wainwrights <sijac@eisa.net.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:Fandom
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Dear all,
What an extraordinary set of messages re: what is a true fan or what is
not. I wasn't aware that such a thing as this could be measured.Surely,
something as admiration for someone or something is personal and can't be
measured by a collection of items or a body of knowledge about episodes etc.
Cheers,
Jacqueline.
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:11:43 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question)
Message-ID: <199804251211.IAA13687@yfn.ysu.edu>
Judith R wrote:
>I have 2000+ video tapes, probably the same amount of books (or more),
>endless zines etc, a living room full of plastic models, toys etc, tv/film
>pictures & photos on my walls etc. Various scripts and bits and pieces. A
>hard-drive full of photos, video clips and general "fan stuff". 4 VCRs & 4
>TVs, 2 PCs. Been in various "organised" fandoms for around 18 years. Run
>several conventions, been to countless others. Member of local B7/SF group.
>Saw Paul Darrow's "Macbeth" over 40 times (gulp). Scrambled around various
>quarries, chalk pits etc by torchlight. Done various interviews about
>"fandom" for newspapers, radio stations etc. Stood at stage doors, stood in
>autograph queues. Read and written fan fiction.
>
>The Question:
>
>Am I a fan, or am I simply too sad to live? I'd really like to know.
<some snipping in here)
>Oh... And I'm beginning to seriously consider flying over to stay with
>relatives in the US just to catch the "Avengers" movie when it opens in the
>summer. Maybe I've just answered my own question. Too sad to live.
Maybe I should be worried. This all sounds perfectly reasonable
to me.
I am in awe of your 40 performances of "Macbeth." And your
multiple fannish interests. I can only manage one fandom and
some less intense hobbies.
Carol Mc
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:50:08 +1000
From: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] black servie
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Helen replied to
I see a beautiful, strong, ambitious
> cadet who wants to rule the galaxy..... and in the movie she quite
possibly
> is black !
>
******
Anyone in particular in mind? I wouldn't mind a black Servalan, but the
other day, I was thinking how incredibly interesting it would be if
Gwyneth Paltrow were to be the Supreme Commander and Buyer of Avon.
*******
No immediate candidates spring to mind, but I would imagine someone
suitable could be found from the live theatre circuits, Servie is more a
theatrical than TV type character.
There are plenty of ... er ... white actresses who could do a sterling job
as Servie, Gwyneth certainly, but _if_ the right black actress was found
the role really could be nailed as her own ,instead of just being a shadow
of Jackie's.
BTW, did anything ever become of the Blake's Legend project ?
___________________________________
from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome !
powerplay@cheerful.com
____________________________________
"OK, here's a disc sander, maybe ratchet up the manliness just a tad."
______________________________________
"The Administration is out to get me"
_______________________________________
"In the end, winning is the only safety"
_________________________________________
"While not detracting in any way from this store's right to examine all
baggage, I am
prepared to concede that our security man may have exceeded his authority
in napalming your grandmother"
________________________________________
________________________________________
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Anxiety & Panic
_________________________________________
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Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:02:48 +1000
From: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] star drive
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Dangermouse wrote with exquisite subtlety
Unmitigated Worthless Crap:
Star Drive
Animals
Orbit
************
It was so unnecessary & a shame for Star Drive to be a crap episode.
Plotwise it was an important episode and should have been a high point of
the series.
In the book Scorpio Attack, Star Drive comes up well as a readable
adventure yarn, ie I enjoyed it, and as it was based on the scripts,
there's a good story in there somewhere.
The problem I think lay in the visual design (I hope that's the right
term). The Space Rats, by reputation were supposed to be horrible sadistic
criminal bastards. They _should_ have been depicted as a Mad Max - type
bikie gang. Instead we get Shakespearean (sp?) actors with professionally
done hair & makeup - they were supposed to be smelly, filthy & living in
squalor, so the main bad guys are just totally unconvincing for a start.
The special FX were even more crap than usual - the little vehicle
(odysseys?) chase and shooting visuals were especially pathetic.
As an aside, I think Dr Plaxton was far too nice to the people who had come
to steal her stardrive. How did she know they weren't just going to steal
it then kill her ? Which is pretty much what happened.
___________________________________
from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome !
powerplay@cheerful.com
____________________________________
"OK, here's a disc sander, maybe ratchet up the manliness just a tad."
______________________________________
"The Administration is out to get me"
_______________________________________
"In the end, winning is the only safety"
_________________________________________
"While not detracting in any way from this store's right to examine all
baggage, I am
prepared to concede that our security man may have exceeded his authority
in napalming your grandmother"
________________________________________
________________________________________
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634
Anxiety & Panic
_________________________________________
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html
Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:58:18 +1000
From: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] b7 vids
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Tom & Una (imagine her with hair !)
wrote
****
Una wrote:
> Dangermouse said:
>
> >Unmitigated Worthless Crap:
> >
> >Animals
>
> No, I'm just *not* having this!!!
Neither is anyone else. I'm amazed they bothered to release it on video at
all. :-)
*****
I would be interested if anyone has info on any sales figures from the
videos - for example did "Blake" really manage to outsell "Animals" ? Did
"Star Drive" somehow beat "Star One" ?
I guess I'm asking - did the eps that the folks on this list think are the
best actually outsell the ones we all think are crap, out there in the
world of the general public ?
___________________________________
from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome !
powerplay@cheerful.com
____________________________________
"OK, here's a disc sander, maybe ratchet up the manliness just a tad."
______________________________________
"The Administration is out to get me"
_______________________________________
"In the end, winning is the only safety"
_________________________________________
"While not detracting in any way from this store's right to examine all
baggage, I am
prepared to concede that our security man may have exceeded his authority
in napalming your grandmother"
________________________________________
________________________________________
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634
Anxiety & Panic
_________________________________________
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html
Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:17:24 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Bonhams
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.42-0425141724-ab5Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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Did anybody here buy ex BBC costumes from Bonhams? I need to try and find a
copy of the catalogue for August 6 1990 in order to identify item 268.
The outfit is some kind of buff coloured overall with a drawstring hood. It's
reinforced around the seat which suggests it was possibly used when riding
something. I've no idea what series it came from, but Dr Who and Blake's 7 are
the most likely. It has a sort of diagonal front fastening which suggests an SF
series and there are loads of poppers (press-studs) around wrists and ankles
which may either have been decorative or else used to fasten something else onto
the garment.
If anyone has the faintest idea what it is, I'd love to know.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:55:14 -0700
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] ZEN is alive and well
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ZEN is alive and well and living in the Novell world.
Go to: http://www.novell.com/products/nds/zenworks/index.html
Must do Novel homework, not play on B7 list.
Must do. Must do. Must do.
Tramila
---------
Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:40:22 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: another favour
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ShelaB7 wrote:
>
> Thank you to all who were kind enough to forward the Guards! Guards! webpage
> address to me.
>
> I apologize for asking for another favor but can anyone send me Christopher
> Wheatley's email address. I've already deleted all my old mail so I don't
> have that as a source anymore.
>
> thank you, shela
It is:
C.Wheatley1@student.derby.ac.uk
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:43:06 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk
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Ian Lay wrote:
>
> Jackie wrote:
>
> >Christopher Wheatley wrote:
> >> Jackie,
> >>
> >> Sorry, but for me a fan is a fan. The reason I am not a member of
> >> any fan clubs etc. is becuase, frankly, the overwhelming majority of
> >> people who join such organisations are obsessive to the point of
> >> extreme boardom. Me, if I like something I like it.
> >>
> >> Also, the very fact that you refer to what you call 'true' fans as
> >> 'we' is a great example of the snobbery inherent in such clubs - if
> >> you can't recite every single line of 'Aftermath' then you're not a
> >> true fan.
> >>
> >> There are fans, there are great fans (me) and there are bores...
>
> <snip>
>
> He does have a very valid point. I've been a fan of the program since the
> beginning. Though at the age or 6 you don't tend to take it all in. :-)
> But that still means I have been a fan for 20 years.
You`ve watched Blakes 7 through the eyes of childhood (lucky you!), now
you are an adult- have your views progressed? Does what drew you to the
programme at the age of six (why weren`t you in bed by then?? :-)),
still draw you today? Have any of your views changed (slightly or
significantly) by reading and/or participating in any of the discussions
that has occured on the lists?
> I can't recite the exact words of Aftermath (though I can quote parts of it).
That`s me, also.
> I don't subscribe to any fan clubs (like Horizon).
My own membership of Horizon lapsed several years ago, PDAS has folded,
as has LPF. My membership of Vilaworld lapsed (I think it has folded now
anyway). As I am on the commitee of the Avon fanclub, I don`t actually
subscribe.
> I haven't got a replica Orac (though I was tempted to get one).
Neither have I, and I have NOT been tempted to buy one.
> I don't have any Blake's 7 memorabilia, no costumes I've made myself.
I do not possess any costumes, either original or any I`ve made myself.
> I do have all the episodes on tape (which I watch through every episode every 2/3 months)
I also have all the episodes on tape. But you watch them more often
than I do (I only watch them if I want to look up a particular point).
> and some of the novels.
Isn`t that memorabilia?
> So am I still a true fan?
> I think I am.
Of course you are.
BUT - are YOU writing a University thesis on the subject, with the
information that you have?
Do you think the fans that do collect memorabilia, or joins Fan Clubs as
Bores, as Christopher does? He isn`t even consistant - He claims (at
the end of your snipped bit) there are different *types* of fans -
completely opposite to what his opening sentence says.
As you can see, going by what everyone claims is *my* definition of a
*true fan*, then I fail the criteria as well.
Jackie
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:58:39 -0700
From: "kaella" <kaella@earthlink.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan?
Message-Id: <199804252058.NAA28343@germany.it.earthlink.net>
Reuben wrote:
>>What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider >themselves
>>fans of?
Thought I would come out of lurk mode for a moment to give mine..although
they do seem to match Heather's...
Blake's 7
Dr. Who
To a lesser extent:)
Sapphire and Steel
Man from Uncle
The Prisoner
Red Dwarf
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Xena
I'm not really a fan of Star Trek, except for the Next generation, if I had
to pick one that would be it.
Debra
-----Original Message-----
From: Heather Smith <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan?
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:40:37 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Message-Id: <199804252145.QAA18132@pemberton.magnolia.net>
Jacqueline said:
>Wouldn't that make it ZEN's ship?
There we go! Zen's Seven!
Lorna B.
"I'm trying to contain an outbreak here and you're driving
the monkey to the airport!"
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:43:34 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: What makes a fan (new question)
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Reuben Herfindahl wrote:
>
> What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves
> fans of?
The memories stirred reading other peoples lists, so I think I`ll
inflict my list on you.
Main Passions
Blakes 7
WWF wrestling
Other programmes (no particular order)
Star Trek TNG
Dr Who
V
Highlander
Alien Nation
Water Margin
Dinosaurs (Earl Sinclair and "not the mama! not the mama!)
The Professionals
The Champions
High Chapparal
Lancer (I had a MAJOR crush on James Stacey).This would move into the
*major passion* category if it was ever aired again!! Any web sites
going, does anyone know????
Miami Vice
Kung Fu (the original series set in the old west)
Books by:
Alexander Kent
J.T. Edson (until he started taking old stories he`d written and
partially rewriting them)
Jackie
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:43:40 -0700
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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>> LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm. And speaking of A/V...perhaps I should
>> dig out a few of my zlines.... naaaaw, not enough time. Have company
>> coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Avona wrote:
>Of the concept of your house being clean? Of the cleaning process? How
>do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses?
Minimally. <g>
> Or is it the coompany we are to fear... oh, Avon's coming for dinner, or
course.
LOL. Well, you see a list member is coming to visit. Be afraid! Be very
afraid.
Although Avon coming to dinner is quite a concept, I think Vila would be
much more fun even if you had to assure that all the silverware stayed at
home. he he
Avona wrote:
>> Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
>Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you
>think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". <eg>
I'm with you! Between the two of us, we shouldn't have any problem with
the computers and Vila's been teaching me the trade. <g> Where do you
want to rendezvous?
Tramila
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Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:30:39 -0500
From: Deb Salyers <dsalyers@informatics.net>
To: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: What makes a fan (new question)
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Jackie wrote:
>
> Reuben Herfindahl wrote:
>
> >
> > What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves
> > fans of?
>
> The memories stirred reading other peoples lists, so I think I`ll
> inflict my list on you.
>
> Main Passions
> Blakes 7
> WWF wrestling
>
> Other programmes (no particular order)
> Star Trek TNG
> Dr Who
> V
> Highlander
> Alien Nation
> Water Margin
> Dinosaurs (Earl Sinclair and "not the mama! not the mama!)
> The Professionals
> The Champions
> High Chapparal
> Lancer (I had a MAJOR crush on James Stacey).This would move into the
> *major passion* category if it was ever aired again!! Any web sites
> going, does anyone know????
> Miami Vice
> Kung Fu (the original series set in the old west)
>
> Books by:
> Alexander Kent
> J.T. Edson (until he started taking old stories he`d written and
> partially rewriting them)
>
> Jackie
<temporarily unlurking>
Jackie
Just saw an old episode of Lancer on satellite here in the US on TV
Land. Seems they show them on weekends, plus lots of other old westerns.
Seeing James Stacy again brought back the same feelings as when I was
12.
deb
<returns to lurking>
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:03:42 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: dsalyers@informatics.net
Subject: [B7L] re: what makes a fan (new question)
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Deb Salyers wrote:
>
>
> <temporarily unlurking>
> Jackie
> Just saw an old episode of Lancer on satellite here in the US on TV
> Land. Seems they show them on weekends, plus lots of other old westerns.
> Seeing James Stacy again brought back the same feelings as when I was
> 12.
>
> deb
> <returns to lurking>
Did ya video it?.
I would just LOVE to see James Stacy as he was in that series - I do
have a brief clip of him from a later film, but that was after his
motorcycle accident (apart from the mutilation, his gorgeous features
are hidden by a huge bushy beard).
After I posted my list I tried to find a mention of the actor and/or the
series in the internet. I found one mention, but there was no follow-on
available. There was supposedly a follow-on for High Chapparal, but
when I did, I got the message "URL not found". So I am back to square 1
again. I might try again tomorrow using "infoseek" or "lycos".
Does any one from Europe know if this series is being broadcast via
Satelite - any satelite not just the Astra one (I possess a motorised
system). It does not have to be transmitted in English (although I would
prefer it that way).
Thanks anyway for the info that it has not been completely forgotten!
Jackie
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:27:34 EDT
From: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Got me angry
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In a message dated 98-04-24 18:04:17 EDT, jackiew@termlow.co.uk writes:
<< Christopher wrote me a personal message, he said I could forward it on
to the list. So here it is.
Christopher Wheatley wrote:
> Jackie,
>
> Sorry, but for me a fan is a fan. The reason I am not a member of
> any fan clubs etc. is becuase, frankly, the overwhelming majority of
> people who join such organisations are obsessive to the point of
> extreme boardom. Me, if I like something I like it.
>
> Also, the very fact that you refer to what you call 'true' fans as
> 'we' is a great example of the snobbery inherent in such clubs - if
> you can't recite every single line of 'Aftermath' then you're not a
> true fan.
>
> There are fans, there are great fans (me) and there are bores...
>
> If you wasted all that money on postage then more fool you -
> you'll note I didn't ask for any land mail, just comments and
> opinions.
>
> Further, as a writer myself I know I value the programme for
> perhaps the best reason - I admire the work of fellow writers.
>
> I have plenty of knowledge and opinions of my own - what on Earth
> makes you think otherwise? What is it that makes you think I have
> not been a fan for twenty years?
>
> You'll note that I am no longer on the B7 mailing list - this
> system can't cope with all the mail which builds up, however if you
> want to post this then feel free.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Chris
I am in the process of formulating a reply, but I thought you all might
like to read it in it`s entirety first.
>>
Question: Why would we want to read this? You guys should keep this in
private email.
Shil
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:44:06 -0400
From: BugEyes <bugeyes@ibm.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] A few new sound files
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Just uploaded a few new sound files from Series A including a few Zen
files as requested. I will be doing more for each series in the next
couple of weekends.
Hannah
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/1874/
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:32:48 EDT
From: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com>
To: darrenro@ozonline.com.au, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] black servie
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In a message dated 98-04-25 11:40:18 EDT, darrenro@ozonline.com.au writes:
<< Helen replied to
I see a beautiful, strong, ambitious
> cadet who wants to rule the galaxy..... and in the movie she quite
possibly
> is black !
>
******
Anyone in particular in mind? I wouldn't mind a black Servalan, but the
other day, I was thinking how incredibly interesting it would be if
Gwyneth Paltrow were to be the Supreme Commander and Buyer of Avon.
*******
No immediate candidates spring to mind, but I would imagine someone
suitable could be found from the live theatre circuits, Servie is more a
theatrical than TV type character.
There are plenty of ... er ... white actresses who could do a sterling job
as Servie, Gwyneth certainly, but _if_ the right black actress was found
the role really could be nailed as her own ,instead of just being a shadow
of Jackie's. >>
How about Angela Basset?..........
<<BTW, did anything ever become of the Blake's Legend project ?>>
I would like an answer to this as well.
Shil
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:14:10 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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Tramila wrote:
>
> >> LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm. And speaking of A/V...perhaps I should
> >> dig out a few of my zlines.... naaaaw, not enough time. Have company
> >> coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
>
> Avona wrote:
> >Of the concept of your house being clean? Of the cleaning process? How
> >do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses?
>
> Minimally. <g>
Of course. And if you want to know how an A.S.K.S. keeps house, the
answer if, program someone else to do it for them. :^/
>
> > Or is it the coompany we are to fear... oh, Avon's coming for dinner, or
> course.
>
> LOL. Well, you see a list member is coming to visit. Be afraid! Be very
> afraid.
That could be frightening. Hoewever, if it's Bill, the Loch Mess,
Monster, you don't need to clean, so I've eliminated one possibility.
>
> Although Avon coming to dinner is quite a concept, I think Vila would be
> much more fun even if you had to assure that all the silverware stayed at
> home. he he
I'd be more worried about the wine cellar. <g>
>
> Avona wrote:
> >> Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
> >Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you
> >think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". <eg>
>
> I'm with you! Between the two of us, we shouldn't have any problem with
> the computers and Vila's been teaching me the trade. <g> Where do you
> want to rendezvous?
If I say "Guada Prime", I don't think you'll come...
Helen, A.S.K.S.
Avona speaks
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:31:06 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 06:14:10PM -0800, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> Tramila wrote:
> > >> coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
> >
> > Avona wrote:
> > >Of the concept of your house being clean? Of the cleaning process? How
> > >do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses?
> >
> > Minimally. <g>
> Of course. And if you want to know how an A.S.K.S. keeps house, the
> answer if, program someone else to do it for them. :^/
Or hire someone else. Or allow the mess to gradually increase until
one can't stand it any more, and run around and tidy everything up and
breathe a sigh of relief at the return of order.
I dunno, how tidy would *Avon* keep his room? Probably pretty tidy,
because he'd like to have a place for everything, and everything in
its place.
Kathryn
A.S.K.S
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:46:06 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: LizR2 <LizR2@aol.com>
CC: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsney Personality sorter test
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Or rather, I took the _other_ version of it, the longer verson.
Previously, I tested as an INTJ.
This one scored me to be an INFJ.
Just what I would expect... a nice medium between Avon and Cally in
personality.
(or, for you, Lisa, just one more proof we are soul-sisters)
Cally would use a phrase like "soul-sisters".
Avon would look for proof. :)
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:54:01 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Blake's 7 and housekeeping
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 06:14:10PM -0800, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
How
> > > >do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses?
> > >
> > > Minimally. <g>
> > Of course. And if you want to know how an A.S.K.S. keeps house, the
> > answer if, program someone else to do it for them. :^/
>
> Or hire someone else. Or allow the mess to gradually increase until
> one can't stand it any more, and run around and tidy everything up and
> breathe a sigh of relief at the return of order.
>
> I dunno, how tidy would *Avon* keep his room? Probably pretty tidy,
> because he'd like to have a place for everything, and everything in
> its place.
>
> Kathryn
> A.S.K.S
Yes, Avon seems a tidy person. And I believe we saw his room on the
Liberator on one occaision-- rather minimalist. (I may be
misremembering, and besides, all rooms on the Liberator were minimalist)
I figure he'd have someone clean for him, because he always got Vila to
do any messy work. Avon really didn't mind danger half so much as
grunt-work.
As far as what you say about letting things pile up and then going into
a tidyness frenzy-- I strongly suspect you and I are kindred spirits on
that point!
Avona
A.S.K.S.
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:40:32 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsey Personality sorter test
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>Just what I would expect... a nice medium between Avon and Cally in
>personality.
>(or, for you, Lisa, just one more proof we are soul-sisters)
'Cept I don't rate Avon as an INTJ. Or Cally as an INFJ, except possibly in
her first episode or two.
- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:39:52 EDT
From: ShelaB7 <ShelaB7@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Got me angry
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<snip> Christopher Wheatley's original message as I'm sure everyone's seen it.
>>Jackie wrote:
>>I am in the process of formulating a reply, but I thought you all might
>>like to read it in it`s entirety first.
>Shil replied:
>Question: Why would we want to read this? You guys should keep this in
>private email.
This is also my question. Why do we want to be involved in this continuing
"war of words"? I was at a loss to understand the reasoning in Jackie's
original objection to Christopher's query and I understand even less her
statements on what *qualifies* someone to BE a fan. I've simply begun
deleting all messages on this subject.
All this dissension is very counter productive to a fandom we all profess to
love.
Five of my closest friends have recently unsubbed from the B7 lists and
cancelled their memberships in the fandom groups because of the bad
experiences they've encountered in the year that we have all been fans of
Blake's 7.
I went to all the trouble to buy a computer, put in a new phone line just for
email, and order an online service so I could enjoy
discussions/arguments/feedback/etc. about a show I love -- not listen to
somewhat "pompous" opinions as to whether I'm qualified to call myself a fan,
much less a *true* fan.
Shela
I am in the process of formulating a reply, but I thought you all might
like to read it in it`s entirety first.
>>
Question: Why would we want to read this? You guys should keep this in
private email.
Shil
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:46:15 -0700
From: Tramila & pussnboots <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Rendezvous
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>> Avona wrote:
>> >> Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
>> >Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you
>> >think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". <eg>
Tramila wrote:
>> I'm with you! Between the two of us, we shouldn't have any problem with
>> the computers and Vila's been teaching me the trade. <g> Where do you
>> want to rendezvous?
Avona wrote:
>If I say "Guada Prime", I don't think you'll come...
Vila and Tramila shake in their boots....uh..uh...
(Hey! Them's *my* boots, sez Puss 'n B... it's gettin' really crowded in
here.)
Vila hurls pesky cat out of airlock.
How about we rendezvous at Freedom City? It's been my all time dream to
visit Freedom City!
Tramila & pussnboots
---------
Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 05:31:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Got me angry
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At first I thought maybe Jackie had overreacted to Christopher W.'s
comments, but now I wonder. Given that my personal definition of a fan is
someone who participates, however slightly, in organized fandom-- or even
just someone who'd like to if they knew it was out there, 'cause they've got
the fannish Right Stuff-- I'm not all that sure that Christopher =is= a
fan. Not even interested enough to stay on the mailing list?
And fans in general-- not just Jackie-- do have a history of being burned in
varying degrees by people who are not themselves fans but just want to study
fandom for the sake of an academic ulterior motive, or in order to write a
"Look at the freaks!" type piece of journalism, or some such thing. This is
quite different from what happens when fans themselves study fandom, as Una
is doing. It's a matter of the attitude of the person doing the study, and
there are indeed people out there who have betrayed the trust of the fans
they dealt with in one way or another. Under the circumstances it's not
unreasonable for fans to be a bit wary.
I don't think there's any question of somehow rating fans by their knowledge
or the size of their fannish collections. Some of the most devoted B7 fans
around have got big gaps in their knowledge of the show-- such as, for
instance, episodes that the favorite character, whoever that may be, wasn't
in! And some very avid readers of fan fiction either borrow zines from
friends, or else buy them and then resell them after reading rather than
accumulate a collection. DCsquared, IMO your website and published stories
certainly put you well into the ranks of active fans, and I never had any
impression that Jackie was suggesting otherwise.
Sarah T.
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:02:32 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] I re-took the Keirsey Personality sorter test
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On Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 10:40:32PM -0500, Lisa Williams wrote:
> Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>
> >Just what I would expect... a nice medium between Avon and Cally in
> >personality.
> >(or, for you, Lisa, just one more proof we are soul-sisters)
>
> 'Cept I don't rate Avon as an INTJ. Or Cally as an INFJ, except possibly in
> her first episode or two.
But I do! I think Avon is INTJ and Cally is INFJ. But I said that
before, the last round of this thread.
But you are right, Cally seemed to change from a J to a P once the
writers had finished tromping on her.
And it's getting uncanny how Helen and I think alike...
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