From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #129 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/129 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 129 Today's Topics: [B7L] Suspend [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #126 Re: [B7L] B5-B7 links Re: [B7L] Suspend RE: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #126 Re: [B7L] B5-B7 links ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:53:21 +0100 From: "Pearwood" To: Subject: [B7L] Suspend Message-ID: <000a01bd755c$554ea3a0$e95495c1@ankh-morpork> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment I don't have the time to peruse this list, but I don't want to unsubscribe. Is there a way of suspending access for a time? Please email direct to sapient@pearwood.demon.co.uk Cheers all! PS Saw Paul Darrow in "Guards!Guards!" - he was great! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 07:55:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gordon & Carol To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #126 Message-ID: <3546AE3800000534@base.catchnet.com.au> (added by base.catchnet.com.au) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:30:36 +1200 >From: "Graham, Gregory" >To: "'Bill Billingsley'" , blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: RE: [B7L] Zen and salvage (was The good ones in season 4) >Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB791D9AB@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> >Content-Type: text/plain > > >> > >> >But does it matter what other people think? If Zen doesn't think the >> >ship is up for grabs, it isn't, as he ably proved. >> > >> > >> >> Time for a ret-con... >> >> It's quite possible that when the original owners of the Liberator >> ejected >> in the battle in Spacefall, their escape pods were destroyed and Zen >> knew >> the crew were dead, and so allowed Blake to salvage the ship after he >> had >> destroyed the (presumably un-Zen-related) psychic defense mechanism. >> In >> Aftermath, the crew had not died, and IIRC, Avon had contacted Zen via >> Orac, and so Zen would watch the ship while waiting patiently for the >> stll-alive crew to return. >> >> Of course it's also possible that the previous owners had never >> actually >> switched Zen on (by touching the grid Jenna touched) before they had >> to >> abandon the ship. >> >> >The thought occurs to me that if the previous crew didn't need Zen then >perhaps the System didn't need a crew. It might have run the, soon to >be, Liberator by itself. It requires really fast communications but I >don't remember anything to discount the System having that capability(I >don't think we ever saw the crews of the interceptors for instance) and >Orac must have had something similar. > >If that's the case then the battle just had to interrupt the >communication long enough for the System to lose the ship. Before >control is re-established, the London arrives and Jenna accidently >engages manual control. > >Wadda ya think? Your theory sounds plausable except for the fact that the DSV11 was obviously designed to crew a humanoid shaped crew. The seats and controls along with the clothes present are all humanoid in design.. Maybe though, you are right in your theory because this could have been DSV11's trial voyage. And the System would rather trust the ship to their central computer for the initial testing phase than a humaniod crew that is linked into the Central Computer via Zen, which would be just that fraction of a moment slower as any orders would have to be re-routed through Zen to the crew. So DSV11 is out being put through its paces, when a hostile force unexpectantly attacks.. maybe it was Amagon pirates or the like... DSV11's superiority overcomes and destroys the adversary but in the battle the computer link to Central is severed leaving Zen searching for a new link/commander ? A few board DSV11 but to do not meet with the specifications Zen was programmed to obey, until Blake boards and is tested.....the rest is history..... Could be ? Carol "Hondo" 63rd Squadron : Blazing Dragons. SPACE : ABOVE AND BEYOND. ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 1998 10:41:01 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] B5-B7 links Message-ID: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk writes: > What I want from you lot is any other links, particularly in > dialogue. I've heard it mentioned that there are bits of dialogue > in B5 that were clearly influenced by B7. Can anyone provide > me with examples? Ron Thornton worked on B7 and later on B5. His design for Narn Heavy Cruisers is quite similar to the Scorpio. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Hello? Brain? What do we want for breakfast? ------------------------------ Date: 02 May 1998 10:42:41 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: "Pearwood" Cc: Subject: Re: [B7L] Suspend Message-ID: "Pearwood" writes: > At the moment I don't have the time to peruse this list, but I don't want to > unsubscribe. Is there a way of suspending access for a time? No. What would the difference between "unsubscribed" and "suspended" be? -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Hello? Brain? What do we want for breakfast? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:24:20 +-200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #126 Message-Id: <01BD75CD.A0DC9CC0@nl-arn-lap0063> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Original Message----- From: Gordon & Carol [SMTP:storm@catchnet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, May 02, 1998 9:55 AM To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #126 >Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:30:36 +1200 >From: "Graham, Gregory" >To: "'Bill Billingsley'" , blakes7@lysator.liu.se >Subject: RE: [B7L] Zen and salvage (was The good ones in season 4) >Message-ID: <710458B7BCD3D011897D0000F8003AB791D9AB@invex.agresearch.cri.nz> >Content-Type: text/plain > > >> > >> >But does it matter what other people think? If Zen doesn't think the >> >ship is up for grabs, it isn't, as he ably proved. >> > >> > >> >> Time for a ret-con... >> >> It's quite possible that when the original owners of the Liberator >> ejected >> in the battle in Spacefall, their escape pods were destroyed and Zen >> knew >> the crew were dead, and so allowed Blake to salvage the ship after he >> had >> destroyed the (presumably un-Zen-related) psychic defense mechanism. >> In >> Aftermath, the crew had not died, and IIRC, Avon had contacted Zen via >> Orac, and so Zen would watch the ship while waiting patiently for the >> stll-alive crew to return. >> >> Of course it's also possible that the previous owners had never >> actually >> switched Zen on (by touching the grid Jenna touched) before they had >> to >> abandon the ship. >> >> >The thought occurs to me that if the previous crew didn't need Zen then >perhaps the System didn't need a crew. It might have run the, soon to >be, Liberator by itself. It requires really fast communications but I >don't remember anything to discount the System having that capability(I >don't think we ever saw the crews of the interceptors for instance) and >Orac must have had something similar. > >If that's the case then the battle just had to interrupt the >communication long enough for the System to lose the ship. Before >control is re-established, the London arrives and Jenna accidently >engages manual control. > >Wadda ya think? Your theory sounds plausable except for the fact that the DSV11 was obviously designed to crew a humanoid shaped crew. The seats and controls along with the clothes present are all humanoid in design.. Maybe though, you are right in your theory because this could have been DSV11's trial voyage. And the System would rather trust the ship to their central computer for the initial testing phase than a humaniod crew that is linked into the Central Computer via Zen, which would be just that fraction of a moment slower as any orders would have to be re-routed through Zen to the crew. So DSV11 is out being put through its paces, when a hostile force unexpectantly attacks.. maybe it was Amagon pirates or the like... DSV11's superiority overcomes and destroys the adversary but in the battle the computer link to Central is severed leaving Zen searching for a new link/commander ? A few board DSV11 but to do not meet with the specifications Zen was programmed to obey, until Blake boards and is tested.....the rest is history..... Could be ? Carol "Hondo" 63rd Squadron : Blazing Dragons. SPACE : ABOVE AND BEYOND. I like Tom Forsyth's theory better, but yeah, could be. However, this option fails to explain why Zen didn't just fly back to central. After all, if the ship had been run by central through Zen, then it stands to reason that Zen would return to central by itself, without needing to be ordered. Tom's story does account for that. Central was hardly likely to allow Zen control of a crew after that test-flight if he wasn't loyal enough. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 02:20:29 +0100 From: Andy Smith To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] B5-B7 links Message-ID: <354BC65D.3F0AFCA1@dircon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In B5 series 4, Sheridan was the leader of a rebel group who was captured by the Earth government. If Garibaldi hadn't shown up in time, he would have been brainwashed "We don't want confession, we want conversion", made to tell the rest of the populace what a fool he'd been, had even that erased, and then released back into society. Then, if he'd stayed off of the doped food for a while... Andy Calle Dybedahl wrote: > STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk writes: > > > What I want from you lot is any other links, particularly in > > dialogue. I've heard it mentioned that there are bits of dialogue > > in B5 that were clearly influenced by B7. Can anyone provide > > me with examples? > > Ron Thornton worked on B7 and later on B5. His design for Narn Heavy > Cruisers is quite similar to the Scorpio. > -- > Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se > Hello? Brain? What do we want for breakfast? -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #129 **************************************