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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 133
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: B5-B7 links
[B7L] Together Again
Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
Re: [B7L] Together Again
Re: [B7L] The vacationer returns (long)
Re: [B7L] Re: B5-B7 links
Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
[B7L] Liberator insurance application
[B7L] Roll up! Roll up!
[B7L] IMIPAC
Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
[B7L] One for the weekend...
Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
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Date: 06 May 1998 18:29:19 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
Cc: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B5-B7 links
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Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> writes:
> I've always seen Strazinsky as the fan-boy made good, the one who
> acheived the big dream, but he remembers the rest of us dreamers and
> gives us these little treats.
He wrote a very interesting article about himself and his relation to
literary SF in the british semi-academic SF journal "Foundation" a
couple of years ago. Basically, what you say above is true according
to himself.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
"I think quotes are very dangerous things." -- KaTe Bush
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:26:34 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Together Again
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Are the tapes worth shelling out $15 ea. for?
Reuben
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:46:55 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 11:11:24AM +0100, Julie Horner wrote:
> With a technology advanced enough to design the Liberator,
> don't you think it strange that its creators never thought
> to fit seatbelts?
>
> Even if they were not worn all of the time, it would have
> been a good idea to strap up just before a space battle.
>
> All that falling about the cabin when they got hit by a
> plasma bolt could have been really dangerous - someone
> might have banged their head.
I've got it! There were actually personal force fields or inertia
dampers fitted into the seats, but nobody figured out how to switch
them on... (-8
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:49:00 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Together Again
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In message <012301bd7914$1ee23550$660114ac@misnt>, Reuben Herfindahl
<reuben@reuben.net> writes
>Are the tapes worth shelling out $15 ea. for?
If you're interested in listening to the actors, etc talk about making
the series (some people are, some aren't), then I think they're well
worth it. Joe is very good at letting them talk and occasionally
prodding them to set them going again when they start to flag.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:52:21 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The vacationer returns (long)
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Ross M wrote:
> >There's nothing for it though, but to press on. I collect my transport,
> >a shiny, red Fiat Pinto*....
> >* Holden Barina
and Rhonda wrote:
> I thought the Pinto was made by Ford, in the seventies, and forced off
> the market for being unsafe -- a little problem with the easy light gas
> tank feature!! Some other company *chose* to use the name??
He means a Fiat Punto. Sounds like a drop-kick of a car, is a drop-kick of
a car.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:55:26 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: B5-B7 links
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Brent said:
> These are just my thoughts, but I wonder how many other stories, novels,
> movies, and television programs Straczynski has borrowed from that I am
> simply not familiar with. When does homage end and "ripping-off" begin?
> I think it could start when you fail to acknowledge your influences.
But if he did that, the credits would go on for hours. You can start from
the basics - the Greeks invented all the basic story plots- and go from
there.
Even within SF you are swamped. Who invented hyperspace and jump
gates? Who invented the idea that humans are young but precocious upstarts
in the technology race? Who invented the idea of God being a benevolent
alien overseer? Who invented the gun that kills but doesn't make holes in
bulkheads? All these concepts are just general SF by now.
There are a couple of times when he has been accused of blatantly ripping
off other people's plots and ideas, and although he freely admits to
borrowing lot of things from a lot of people (as do all writers), he has on
some occasions said that he had never read any of the stuff concerned. It
would be uncharitable not to believe him, because in some of these cases it
would have been such an obvious and clumsy rip-off.
As usual, my brain completely refuses to give up any concrete examples.
Must have it defragmented one of these days.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:55:34 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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Julie Horner wrote:
> With a technology advanced enough to design the Liberator,
> don't you think it strange that its creators never thought
> to fit seatbelts?
>
> Even if they were not worn all of the time, it would have
> been a good idea to strap up just before a space battle.
>
> All that falling about the cabin when they got hit by a
> plasma bolt could have been really dangerous - someone
> might have banged their head.
And them without the Inertial Dampers that the Enterprise has. Mind you,
they must have something similar, for the same reason (the Enterprise and
Liberator are seen to maneuver so hard for ships of their size that the
G-forces would be colossal).
Maybe the pilots, members of the System, were meant to lock themselves in
by means of some sort of harness implant. Or even just a straight harness
system like they use on sailing boats - you have a body harness on, and a
strap (or two) that comes from it. You clip the strap onto various
strongpoints. That way if you do lose your footing, you don't get swept
overboard, but you can still move about by clipping on elsewhere. Of
course, there is a distinct lack of hardpoints on the Liberator's flight
deck, so that's a little tricky.
In reality, it's just that the crew just hadn't discovered the
Combat-Harness Statis Fields. All the support of a G-suit without the
annoying problems with hemorroids.
That's why the Little Red Button was there at all - you're meant to turn
the CHFS system on _first_. And the wacky visual effects were not
"breaching the light barrier" or whatever it was Avon waffled about - they
were the CHSF system trying to belatedly lock onto its charges, who were
already sprawled on the floor by then.
Tom Forsyth.
P.S. Some of the above may be technobabble. You have been warned.
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:54:31 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
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Bill B said:
> IIRC, Sir Francis Drake was a known pirate before he was later welcomed
> by the establishment in Britain (and knighted!).
He was basically a pirate while in the pay of Lizzie1 - indeed, that's why
she hired him in the first place. He was allowed to go anywhere and do
anything, as long as it involved killing Spaniards.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:58:55 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Liberator insurance application
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Insurer: Good afternoon, Federal Insurance Agency. How can I help you?
Blake: I'm interested in getting my vehicle insured.
I: OK, can I ask the make and model of the vehicle?
B: Erm... it's a System DSV
I: Right. We don't have that one listed on the books. Can you give me an
estimate of the market value?
B: Sixteen billion credits.
I: I see. Have you had insurance before?
B: I don't remember. Sorry.
I: OK, what would be the age of the youngest driver?
B: Ah, that would be Dayna. Around twenty, I think.
I: Which suburb would the vehicle be garagaed in?
B: Oh, it won't be. We're going to live in it and keep moving around.
I: Can I ask how many people you would like to have registered as drivers
of the vehicle.
B: Five. No, six. No, sorry, seven if you count Orac.
I: Their occupations?
B: Political criminal, pirate, smuggler, thief, computer fraudster,
computer, and glowy box with flashy lights.
I: Have any of the drivers had any criminal convictions in the last five
years.
B: All of them. Except the computers.
I: And would the vehicle be for commercial or private use?
B: Terrorism.
I: Oh. Can I ask you to call into our head office to discuss this. No, on
second thoughts can I offer you some money never to come within a thousand
miles of our head office?
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The Loch Mess Monster
(occasionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:33:36 +0100
From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" <peter.borg@barclayscapital.com>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Roll up! Roll up!
Message-ID: <F5717FE0AD18D1118F4200805FFECEB993C8A9@exips0002.itops.ldn.bzwint.com>
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Get your webring membership here!
I finally got around to moving the B7 webring out of the Horizon site and
into my own site (blakes7.org), as it was never intended to be part of
Horizon. There are 16 active members, and another 5 pending currently.
Signing up has been automated - you used to have to send email, but now you
fill in a form, and the computer does everything except actually activate
you (ooer).
http://www.blakes7.org/webring
It's a pretty bog-standard webring, except that it will eventually have some
whizz-fab features, and already gives members the opportunity to modify
their details as they wish, and allows members to see how many times their
site has been accessed as a result of the webring.
Peter.
P.S. I'm in the process of planning the rest of blakes7.org - ideas welcome,
it's a site for everyone, and I'm hoping some people will be able to run
their own areas on it.
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:23:01 +1200
From: "Lucas Young" <lucas@ihug.co.nz>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] IMIPAC
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:45:57 +0100
From: julie@ipsys.co.uk (Julie Horner)
To: abasart@dnai.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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From abasart@dnai.com Wed May 6 15:42 BST 1998
From: "Ann Basart" <abasart@dnai.com>
>Not just seatbelts: where does the crew eat? how do they prepare their
>food? ...but I'd love to have the Liberator, nonetheless.
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Difference is we KNOW they don't have seatbelts because
we see the effects - though I assume seatbelts were non-standard
in Federation ships too as I don't remember any of the crew
saying:
"Hey look at this death-trap it has no seatbelts,
Avon you had better design some"
(Though hang on I think
they probably did have something of the sort in the London)
However, we don't actually know they have no facilities
for dining and cooking, just that they are never shown.
I guess the writers thought we wouldn't be interested in
such everyday matters but I find that strange because
for me food is a passion and I like to speculate what
they would eat.
Does anyone know of fan-fic that covers this subject
- apart from the excellent Cheeseboard which I have
already read?
Julie Horner
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:22:00 +0100
From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Liberator design fault
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Julie said:
->However, we don't actually know they have no facilities
->for dining and cooking, just that they are never shown.
->I guess the writers thought we wouldn't be interested in
->such everyday matters but I find that strange because
->for me food is a passion and I like to speculate what
->they would eat.
->
On the same lines - why are drinks in SF programs always silly colours
like green?
Pan galactic Gargleblasters in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy for
example I think are gree/blue?
SteveT
Back after a short work break
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:37:34 +1000
From: "Christine Lacey" <eshva@magna.com.au>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ingratitude
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>
> Bill B said:
> > IIRC, Sir Francis Drake was a known pirate before he was later welcomed
> > by the establishment in Britain (and knighted!).
>
> He was basically a pirate while in the pay of Lizzie1 - indeed, that's
why
> she hired him in the first place. He was allowed to go anywhere and do
> anything, as long as it involved killing Spaniards.
I'd have said robbing Spaniards rather than killing them. I suspect Liz1
was more interested in cash flow than body count.
By the way, Hi everyone. I've just joined the list (I was on it ages ago
for a while) having recently got an Internet connection at home - woohoo!
So I'm looking forward to discussing things B7ish
Christine
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:47:56 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] One for the weekend...
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OK, here's a nice retentive game for the weekend.
In which episodes of B7 is the *entire* episode title spoken, fully,
correctly, and without being mangled?
One that counts: 'Redemption.'
One that doesn't: 'Seek, locate, and destroy Blake.'
I played this game 8 years ago when I should have been revising for my
A-levels, but I can't remember the results, so bribes are no use. ;)
Una
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:50:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay McGuigan <dsv2@yahoo.com>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] One for the weekend...
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---Una McCormack wrote:
>
> OK, here's a nice retentive game for the weekend.
>
> In which episodes of B7 is the *entire* episode title spoken, fully,
> correctly, and without being mangled?
>
Okay, I'll have a go. Off the top of my head here's a few. These are
probably the most blatantly obvious ones, but I only have a few tapes
to work with <g>.
"Project Avalon"
"Trial"
"Star One"
"Gold"
"Blake"
And I'm not totally sure about, but I think:
"Duel"
"Terminal"
"Orbit"
==
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