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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 16
Today's Topics:
Re:[B7L]Beards and Chests
Re:[B7L]Grace
RE: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis?
RE: [B7L] Avon's pet
RE: [B7L] Slash debate
Re: [B7L] editing on Volcano/DotG tape?
[B7L] Re: Beards (Now greying, hairy chests)
[B7L] Re: Blake's chrisma, Tyce's presence, and so on
[B7L] Re: Neil's article and fan fiction
RE: [B7L] Slash debate
RE: [B7L] Avon's pet
Fwd: [B7L] Blake's Charisma
Re: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis?
[B7L] Sevenfold Crown
Re: [B7L] London drink
[B7L] travelling B7 fan...
Re: [B7L] Re: Beards (Now greying, hairy chests)
Re: [B7L] Slash debate
RE: [B7L] Get into the pay per call industry for FREE
[B7L] Re: Tyce's presence, and so on
RE: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis?
Re:[B7L]Grace
RE: [B7L] Liberator
RE: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown
RE: [B7L] Attack of the Claypit People
Re: [B7L] Re: Beards
[B7L] Tyce Sarkoff, Charisma
Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4
Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown
Re: [B7L] editing on Volcano/DotG tape?
Re: [B7L]Oi page
[B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2)
Re: [B7L] London drink
Re: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2)
Re: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2)
RE:[B7L] :Beards (was Upcoming excitment)
re:[B7L]: Beards & the Silly Season
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:18:26 -0800
From: "J. I. Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
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Harriet wrote :
< Oh, no, I draw the line at hairy chests. Facial hair good, chest hair
horrible. No offence meant. >
It's a question of degree surely, great big woolly rugs repel, completely
bald are not very cuddly - but a nice manly covering - oh yes.
Julie Horner
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:26:08 -0800
From: "J. I. Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re:[B7L]Grace
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Congratulations Grace!
I got two questions posted but alas I will be buying the tapes myself.
Actually I think anyone who managed to get in and post a question at all
deserves a pat on the back for sheer determination - either that or I am
just a bit dense.
I found the beeb Oi page very difficult to navigate around, very slow and
rather unreliable. On the day of the chat I missed the first five minutes
because the pesky thing would not log me in for Java script even though
my environment sounded compatible.
Anyway, it was worth the effort - quite enjoyable and I enjoyed everyone
elses questions.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:04:44 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis?
Message-ID: <01BD2372.55ED4960@host5-99-57-79.btinternet.com>
Tom here.
Matt asked:
>I was wondering why neither Josette Simon or Glynis Brber lent their
>voice talents to the recent Blake's 7 audio play(the name escapes me at
>the moment).
Well, Josette Simon now hates anything to do with B7. She considers herself
to be far too good an actress to admit to having done children's scifi, and
wants nothing to do with the show. Doesn't stop her doing crap TV to pay
the rent, of course ("Bodyguards", in case you're wondering).
And I don't know how Glynis feels about B7 these days, but she lives in
America now, and I don't think the BBC pays enough to fly her over just for
a one-off radio play.
>Also is the Angela Bruce who does Dayna's voice in the play
>the same Angela Bruce who played Deb Lister in the "Parallel Universe"
>episode of Red Dwarf and Brigadier Bambera in the "Battlefield" episode
>of Doctor Who?
Er... probably. No reason to suppose the BBC knows more than one Angela
Bruce. And her voice is not too dissimilar to Dayna's. And she is black
(not that it means anything on radio, but you know how rigorously
scientific and free of bias casting is...).
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:03:25 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Avon's pet
Message-ID: <01BD2372.4A3D09C0@host5-99-57-79.btinternet.com>
Tom here.
Julie Horner wrote:
>I can easily see Avon with a tortoise. Its a practical pet for a space
>ship as it does not make much mess and needs little exercise. Also I
>would have thought the air of quiet reflective wisdom would appeal to
>Avon.
I'd not realised how excellent tortoises were until I saw someone on TV who
owned one. The best point about them is - when you want to move them, you
just pick them up & put them under your arm, and they can't run away!
Superb. Cats wriggle, dogs are generally hard to lift up, and goldfish
don't really need to be moved, but a tortoise is great. And you can use
them for doorstops and paperweights as well.
Avon wouldn't have a reat pet, of course. He'd have Muffit, from Battlestar
Galactica. With a few modifications, of course. You don't think my
computers are as-shipped-from-the-factory do you?
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:46:02 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Slash debate
Message-ID: <01BD2372.619D8900@host5-99-57-79.btinternet.com>
Pat Patera listed a few greats:
>I tend to find this true in commercial fiction as well. Men tend to
>write more exciting action plots, but I seldom care whether the
>characters survive or not. Women tend to write characters I care about,
>but the excitement often isn't there. A few great writers can handle
>both: JRR Tolkien (Lord of the Rings, Barbara Hambly (most all her
>fantasy books), Mary Stuart (the Merlin Trilogy).
I'm intrigued. Would people like Steven Donaldson fit the bill. OK, his
most charactersome books are actually fantasy (the Mordant series and the
Thomas Coventant bitrilogy), but the latest "Gap" series is SF (though
nicked from fantasy).
>And thanks Sarah for the fine statistics on how many men write fanfic -
>slash or gen. About what I would have guessed. Tho I've never quite
>understood why. The series fans write about are all action-based plots.
Yes, I would have expected more men as well, though even a cursory dip into
the fandom makes it obvious that this is not so. I suspect the fanfic stats
also exaggerate the problem - I would guess that an even lower percentage
of men in fandom actually write, compared to the women. Something to do
with being shy / macho perfectionist, maybe?
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:48:21 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] editing on Volcano/DotG tape?
Message-ID: <QVHEUBA1xIw0EwLu@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <199801170217.NAA20637@magna.com.au>, Gordon Burgess & Carol
Mason <gcb7@magna.com.au> writes
>
>>At 09:11 AM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>> Someone just asked me this and [begin agonized overacting]
>>>I can't remember! [end angst]
>>>
>>> Have the episodes "Volcano" and "Dawn of the Gods" been cut
>>>on the professional tapes? The box doesn't have the usual "unedited"
>>>banner in the corner.
>
>Hi, it must have only been printed on some cover boxes as my copy (
>Australian ) does not have it printed on at all. I Know as our copies are
>not uncut, I suppose you could look at the running time, you might be able
>to work our from that if any tapes have been cut.
Some of the cuts are very brief. Spacefall (which I think is the only
one the BBC officially admits to cutting) had only a few seconds cut -
the scene where Avon is fighting with the computer technician, and boxes
his ears. I *know* "Rescue is both cut and re-edited, in spite of the
flash on the box, because I've seen an off-air tape from the version
broadcast in Australia many years ago, and the version broadcast on UK
Gold recently. The version of the official tape is poorer, IMHO. The
stated length is what you'd expect for an uncut version.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:42:52 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Beards (Now greying, hairy chests)
Message-ID: <19980117.103808.8935.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Alex wrote:
And, according to people I've spoken to, I can expect my chest hair to
turn
gray as I age. Well, at least I know what to buy myself on my 30th
birthday
(coming up in a few months!): a hair electrolysis kit.
Don't bother, they don't work that well. And grey chest hair is just as
sexy as grey head hair.
Penny
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:42:52 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake's chrisma, Tyce's presence, and so on
Message-ID: <19980117.103808.8935.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
I love Blake. He is mixed up and vulnerable. He trusts people and
expects them to do their best. He has confidence in them when they do
not have it in themselves. He rally's them through emotion and a sense
of right. He helps them understand just what the Federation has done to
their race by taking them to places which need their help to be
liberated. He smiles, pats them on the back and says thank you. And
yes, he has charisma. Jenna is lulled by it. She often argues with him,
but she is ( I feel) his staunchest supporter. Gan needs him. Vila
likes him. Cally chooses him. And most of all, Avon follows him.
And Tyce...well, I liked her as a character, but not really as a person.
I didn't think she was particularly beautiful, but she was sassy and
full of spirit, if not spite. I detested that leer she tossed to Blake
at the end of the program. Nothing like a woman who hasn't seen a real
man in who know's how long.
Penny
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:42:52 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Neil's article and fan fiction
Message-ID: <19980117.103808.8935.2.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
I agree with Neil to some extent, being both a writer (still quite a
novice) and a fan. I have read very little fan fic compared to most of
you here, but I'd have to say that I see fan fic as continuing the dream
or fulfilling story lines and/or questions that the series leaves us
with. Some are well written, constructed sagas, others are not. I
suppose what you are personally looking for in your own fulfillment
department will dictate your reasons for liking or disliking it.
John Paxton Sherrif wrote a wonderful book called, "Practical Short Story
Writing" which is an excellent, succinct source of how to construct a
good short story. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to improve
their form and fashion. It is Available in the UK, but I had to special
order it here in the US. NO, it is not available from Amazon.com.
Also, I have posted before that I consider one aspect of a really good TV
series that of having wonderful guest characters/performers. Blake's 7
has it. The X files has it, though I have quit watching that series
because it is too predictable for me. Neil said fan fic has few of these
memorable characters. He may be right, I don't know. John Paxton
Sherrif has said that minor characters need to be as outlandish and
memorable as possible, since they appear less than the main characters
and still have much to do with the plot. I again refer you to his book
for some great guidelines on how to create such characters.
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:52:34 -0500
From: Susan Beth <sbs@world.std.com>
To: blake7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Slash debate
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Louise Rutter, no, Tom wrote:
>Yes, I would have expected more men as well, though even a cursory dip into
>the fandom makes it obvious that this is not so. I suspect the fanfic stats
>also exaggerate the problem - I would guess that an even lower percentage
>of men in fandom actually write, compared to the women. Something to do
>with being shy / macho perfectionist, maybe?
Or more of that generalization-with-an-underlying-truth that men are better
at math/science, women at verbal skills? And writing is definitely a
verbal skill.
Susan Beth
(sbs@world.std.com)
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:00:30 -0500
From: Susan Beth <sbs@world.std.com>
To: blake7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Avon's pet
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Tom F. wrote:
>Avon wouldn't have a reat pet, of course. He'd have Muffit, from Battlestar
>Galactica. With a few modifications, of course. You don't think my
>computers are as-shipped-from-the-factory do you?
Actually, I don't see Avon with a pet at all -- he'd claim not to see the
point of keeping something to deliver emotional satisfaction only.
What I *do* think he'd be likely to do is develop a very, very complex
computer doppelganger for himself. You know, one that would answer the
"phone" and deal with 80% plus of calls that he would consider wastes of
his time:
"No, I do not want to subscribe to Computer Development monthly." (I
already hacked myself a lifetime subscription.)
"No, I do not want to invest in titanium mines in the asteroid belt."
(Like I would be stupid enough to hand over MY money to cold-calling scam
artists.)
"No, I don't want to answer your survey." (My time and opinions are
valuable -- if you want them, you'll have to pay for them.)
"No, I do not want to buy a raffle ticket to support Little League Fling
Ball." (Hey, the bastards never picked *me* for their team, I should help
them???)
and so on....
Susan Beth
(sbs@world.std.com)
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:04:52 EST
From: E van Looy <EvanLooy@aol.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: [B7L] Blake's Charisma
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Judith wrote:
>On Wed 14 Jan, Pat Patera wrote:
>> Charisma is a strange thing. It's also called "star quality." And no,
>> alas, Blake does not have it.
<snip!>
>The way that we judge charisma is inevitably affected by the reactions of
>others and if the rest of the crew are seen as largely unaffected, then the
>impact on us will be correspondingly reduced.
Hmm, I don't know. For me he is someone who was always very much present even
when not saying or doing anything, and he seemed to have the same effect on
the others. Hell, he wasn't even there for two seasons but they still talked
about him practically every episode.
Elise
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Judith wrote:
>On Wed 14 Jan, Pat Patera wrote:
>> Charisma is a strange thing. It's also called "star quality." And no,
>> alas, Blake does not have it.
<snip!>
>The way that we judge charisma is inevitably affected by the reactions of
>others and if the rest of the crew are seen as largely unaffected, then the
>impact on us will be correspondingly reduced.
Hmm, I don't know. For me he is someone who was always very much present even
when not saying or doing anything, and he seemed to have the same effect on
the others. Hell, he wasn't even there for two seasons but they still talked
about him practically every episode.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:34:39 -0600
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis?
Message-Id: <199801171935.NAA04717@pemberton.magnolia.net>
Tom wrote:
>Well, Josette Simon now hates anything to do with B7. She considers
> herself
>to be far too good an actress to admit to having done children's scifi, and
>wants nothing to do with the show. Doesn't stop her doing crap TV to pay
>the rent, of course ("Bodyguards", in case you're wondering).
This seems rather strong to me. Is there something you can quote where she
says these things? And I believe most actors do "crap TV" (or theatre, or
movies) to pay the rent--this is their job, it's what they do, and good
roles that do come along are the equivalent of a cash bonus. I don't expect
any of them to starve in order to satisfy my sense of aesthetics.
I have to think we often forget that B7 really isn't that special to
non-fans, and I'm reasonably certain that it was just another job to a lot
of actors who appeared on it. I certainly can't fault them for that at all.
I love the show, but I don't lose any sleep over someone *not* liking it.
Lorna B.
"You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite."
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:40:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown
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Some script writers make the worst of fan writers look good.
Was I imagining it when the king didn't use the powers of the crown to
prevent it from being stolen from him, when Servalan didn't use the power of
her stone to neutralise a gun and when Avon didn't use the power of the
crown to get his own way when his crew threatened to use weapons against
him?
These items were supposed to be able to prevent guns firing - Servalan does
this initially. So why do the owners suddenly forget these abilities when
the plot requires it?
And as for Servalan forgetting to remove Tarrant's teleport bracelet - words
fail me.
I've got to listen again to be sure whether I actually heard Servalan order
'Bring me up' in a context that implied a teleport. I hope I imagined it.
The Federation don't have the teleport.
Ah well, there were some good bits, and the acting at least was upto
scratch. The cast did a remarkably good job with the script and it was good
to hear them again. Orac was in top form, Avon was mean and Vila was
nervous.
Judith
-- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:46:03 +1000 (GMT+1000)
From: William Billingsley <s328840@student.uq.edu.au>
To: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com
Subject: Re: [B7L] London drink
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980118064409.17264C-100000@student.uq.edu.au>
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On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote:
> We haven't a drink in Pages bar (the sci-fi bar) in London for a
> while. Anyone fancy changing this on Saturday Feb 7? The
> reason I'm suggesting that date is there is also a sci-fi fair in
> London that day. This is at Westminster Central Hall, Storey's
> Gate and is a short walk from Pages. These fairs are basically
> just giant dealer halls (170 tables). It runs from 11 to 4, time
> then for something to eat and off to Pages for the evening. Drop
> us a line if you are coming.
>
Count me in!
only... where is Pages Bar? (I live in Australia, but it just so happens
I'll be in London that day!)
Bye for now
Bill.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:58:14 +1000 (GMT+1000)
From: William Billingsley <s328840@student.uq.edu.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] travelling B7 fan...
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ah, my email still works after all...
I'm overseas at the moment, travelling through LA, San Francisco, Phoenix,
Houston and NY, and I was wondering if any Blake's or generalised sf stuff
is going on in any of those cities over the next two weeks (or if anyone
on the list in those cities feels like going down the pub ...)
This address'll probably finally expire on Feb 10 , but it should be fine
til then.
Bill.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:38:51 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Beards (Now greying, hairy chests)
Message-ID: <ru06qFA7LTw0Ew+b@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <19980117.103808.8935.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>,
penny_kjelgaard@juno.com writes
>Alex wrote:
>
>And, according to people I've spoken to, I can expect my chest hair to
>turn
>gray as I age. Well, at least I know what to buy myself on my 30th
>birthday
>(coming up in a few months!): a hair electrolysis kit.
>
>Don't bother, they don't work that well. And grey chest hair is just as
>sexy as grey head hair.
>
Perhaps we can test this theory at Deliverence by presenting Paul with a
shirt.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:42:34 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate
Message-ID: <s+M7uLAaPTw0Ew+w@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <3.0.4.32.19980117135234.006a5c64@world.std.com>, Susan Beth
<sbs@world.std.com> writes
>Louise Rutter, no, Tom wrote:
>
>>Yes, I would have expected more men as well, though even a cursory dip into
>>the fandom makes it obvious that this is not so. I suspect the fanfic stats
>>also exaggerate the problem - I would guess that an even lower percentage
>>of men in fandom actually write, compared to the women. Something to do
>>with being shy / macho perfectionist, maybe?
>
>Or more of that generalization-with-an-underlying-truth that men are better
>at math/science, women at verbal skills? And writing is definitely a
>verbal skill.
These verbal skills would include the skill of learning foreign
languages that a century or two ago were valued a good deal more than
they now, and therefore were deemed to be something that only men were
really good at?
--
Julia Jones (BSc Maths/Physics, in spite of attempts by various people to
persuade her that girls couldn't do that sort of thing)
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:28:45 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Get into the pay per call industry for FREE
Message-ID: <01BD23A8.2E6CC4C0@host5-99-57-79.btinternet.com>
Kathryn Andersen asked:
>Calle! Isn't there some way for the List software to block all SPAM?
Oh yes, indeed there is - only accept posts from people who are subscribed.
Unfortunately, this makes life really annoying for people whose posting
addresses are not the same as the address they recieve the list on.
Good examples are people at university and other large institutions or
companies, who while they may have a fixed email address to send stuff to,
their posts may be sent from a variety of machines that change without
notice, according to which is the least busy at the time, or which terminal
they happened to be at.
It's also a pain for people like Louise and I, who only wanted to have to
download one lot of list mail (so only one of us was subscribed), but who
both wanted to reply.
I don't think the problem is very bad at the moment - 2 bits of spam in the
last year or so? It could very easily get worse very quickly, of course.
Steve then asked:
>Also, this problem seems very recent and there have only been
>two, I think. Can we trace how we have recently become a
>target and stop it at source?
Ah, poor innocent young fool! Spammers usually make this sort of process
extremely difficult. It's like getting your name removed from the lists of
double-glazing salesmen - absoloutely impossible, short of changing your
number and going ex-directory. Also, like double-glazing salesmen's lists -
once you're on one, you tend to somehow migrate to the others'. Time will
tell...
Tom Forsyth.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:44:02 +0000
From: Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
To: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Tyce's presence, and so on
Message-ID: <SGXwQDACoQw0Ewq7@wriding.demon.co.uk>
In message <19980117.103808.8935.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>,
penny_kjelgaard@juno.com writes
>
>And Tyce...well, I liked her as a character, but not really as a person.
>I didn't think she was particularly beautiful, but she was sassy and
>full of spirit, if not spite. I detested that leer she tossed to Blake
>at the end of the program. Nothing like a woman who hasn't seen a real
>man in who know's how long.
>
That's a foul slur on the masculinity of Federation troopers everywhere! Tyce
was the only woman on a planet with at least a section of 9 troopers (who
were probably rotated every three standard months) for 7 years. Are you
saying that not one of these 252 individuals was a real man? There's always
one who polishes his dark visor to a sensuous sheen, or another whose
overalls bag *just* that little bit less - small signals, but significant, surely.
--
Russ Massey
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:51:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] No Josette or Glynis?
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.09-0117185108-b49Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1
On Sat 17 Jan, Louise Rutter wrote:
).
>
> And I don't know how Glynis feels about B7 these days, but she lives in
> America now, and I don't think the BBC pays enough to fly her over just for
> a one-off radio play.
I believe she's in the UK doing a play right now and that the play
didn't leave her free for the recording date.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:48:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re:[B7L]Grace
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.09-0117184832-0b0Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1
On Sun 18 Jan, J. I. Horner wrote:
> I found the beeb Oi page very difficult to navigate around, very slow and
> rather unreliable. On the day of the chat I missed the first five minutes
> because the pesky thing would not log me in for Java script even though
> my environment sounded compatible.
Tell me! I found the page to be an almighty pain. It's completely
incompatible with a lot of browsers. It's so incompatible that if you don't
have the right browser you can't even get to the feedback section to tell
them that you have a problem!
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:43:09 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Liberator
Message-ID: <01BD2407.42D70240@host5-99-57-42.btinternet.com>
Stephen Shaw asked:
>Also what happened to the model
>of the ship at the end of the 3rd season?
They attacked it with a hacksaw, then tore it apart, and filmed it.
Normally, the model-maker makes some smaller, cheaper versions of a ship to
do explosions with (no-one notices the lack of fine detail when it's
exploding), and indeed they had a variety of different-sized ones for
various shots. But they used the big one - the one with solid steel struts
in it, built to last. That's why they needed the hacksaw. Sinful.
Tom Forsyth.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:54:38 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown
Message-ID: <01BD2407.4C8FB7A0@host5-99-57-42.btinternet.com>
A bit of spoiler space first - I remembered just in time that some people
can't get Radio 4 (e.g. non-Brits).
Judith wailed:
>Was I imagining it when the king didn't use the powers of the crown to
>prevent it from being stolen from him, when Servalan didn't use the power
of
>her stone to neutralise a gun and when Avon didn't use the power of the
>crown to get his own way when his crew threatened to use weapons against
>him?
No, you weren't. And of course there is the usual problem with telekinesis
- if you can do anything useful at all, like stop the hammer of a gun going
down (or whatever Scorpio guns have), then you can block the carotid
arteries and easily knock someone out or kill them. You might need to block
the ones round the spine as well, but only for a kill.
On the other hand, it might have been that only the stone gave people TK,
which would almost excuse two of the three examples (though the king could
have asked his guards politely to beat them up). Not that Avon has ever
needed a TP crown to control his crew, of course.
>And as for Servalan forgetting to remove Tarrant's teleport bracelet -
words
>fail me.
Am I right in thinking that nowhere in the series did anyone ever forget to
do this (except when they wouldn't know what a bracelet was)? I don't
recall them ever saying "Phew - lucky Servalan forgot to take our bracelets
off." So if the series didn't even stoop that low...
>I've got to listen again to be sure whether I actually heard Servalan
order
>'Bring me up' in a context that implied a teleport. I hope I imagined it.
>The Federation don't have the teleport.
You didn't imagine it - I heard it too and thought "ooh - is this a cunning
plot where our heroes have to destroy the Federation's new transporter
technology? Has Servalan managed to capture Scorpio?" Er... no.
>Ah well, there were some good bits, and the acting at least was upto
>scratch. The cast did a remarkably good job with the script and it was
good
>to hear them again. Orac was in top form, Avon was mean and Vila was
>nervous.
I didn't mind the new Dayna - yes, she sounds nothing like Josette, but
once my mind had made the mapping Bambera->Dayna, it was happy, and Angela
Bruce put the same sort of character into Dayna. The new Soolin took me
ages, though - she just didn't have the same chirpy gloominess that Soolin
had. Also, her voice just sounded too like Nerys Hughes (I think that's
her name). It's not Paula Wilcox's fault what her voice sounds like, of
course, but that image of late-middle-aged housewifeliness just doesn't say
"Soolin" to me. Dodgy casting.
The plot was a load of tosh, though. Take one outrageously implausible and
daft Holy Grail, add in a smattering of irritating plot device complication
with the power crystals and the malfunctioning teleporter, which then leads
to a completely gratuitous plot device with two Avons, and as soon as that
happens you can see exactly where it's leading - we have to get rid of one
of them, but we can't have Avon just shoot his twin or anything - both
Avons have to win in the end! Bleugh. We lost Gan for a completely
meaningless reason, we lost Cally equally stupidly(*), so why can't we have
one of the Avons die in an equally pointless, but believeable way, e.g. one
of them stumbles on a rock and gets ventilated by the other? It would have
_suprised_ me, at least.
>Some script writers make the worst of fan writers look good.
Amen.
Another really annoying quibble, made doubly annoying by how easy it would
have been to fix, was that all the wrong sound effects were used. The
teleport noise was from the Liberator (AFAIR), as were the gun firing
noises. Scorpio guns just went "bang", possibly with a sort of slight
after-whine. These sounds were passable imitations of the "pyeeewwww" sound
from the Liberator. Er... and the incidental music. The first two bars of
the theme tune are repeated for bars five and six, but bars three and four
are not! (it's AABBAACC, not AABBAABB as played) And I gave up any pretense
at playing a musical instrument ten years ago, so it's not as if it's a
subtle goof or anything.
Oh well, maybe they'll do better next time. I _was_ pleased by the amount
of coverage it got, though - nice to know the media still think it's worth
a mention, even if it is twenty years old and this is just a one-off radio
play.
Tom Forsyth.
* These are Good Things, by the way - I hate losing people for well
thought-out reasons - it's stupid. Gritty realism is about people dying at
the most random times.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:49:34 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Attack of the Claypit People
Message-ID: <01BD2407.532D7160@host5-99-57-42.btinternet.com>
Elise van Looy wrote:
>Ah, but that is the problem, isn't it? If it were easy to write
interesting
>fictional characters, why, then everyone would be doing it. They are
certainly
>trying, I'll grant you that but few series, books or films written and
>produced by even big names are able to make up characters and plots
compelling
>enough to become classics, the way B7 certainly has.
I think Neil would welcome any sort of characterisation at all, rather than
the none that he's moaning about. Even moderately old cliches would do.
Just so that you know roughly whether they're more likely to shag Avon or
blow his head off.
>Even something so insanely great as, say, The
>Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe, has rather poorly developed
characters.
I don't think characterisation is what Douglas Adams had in mind, to be
honest. He did try adding some characterisation in the later books, and the
fans hated it.
>Every now and then you come across a writer who has thought up an original
>character, who just happens to be incredibly interesting and fascinating
and
>full of depths begging to be explored. I mostly skip those explorations
and
>hope the story will pick up later.
Ah, well there's the problem. You've got to reveal the character through
the plot, not do a potted "exploration" for a chapter, then expect us to go
"cool - a well-rounded character." OK, in the sort of short stories that
fen tend to write, there isn't much space for that sort of thing, but every
little helps.
And yes, I know the sort of thing you're talking about, and it's shocking
how even in full-length novels, where there is plenty of space, people
still do this. We all know about the dreaded info-dump, but what about this
equally heinous "char-dump"?
Tom Forsyth.
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:54:22 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Beards
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980118085055.16949B-100000@alpha.bgsu.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 penny_kjelgaard@juno.com wrote:
> I didn't think Paul looked all that great, but then, he'd been tortured
> for days. Gareth, on the other hand...that make-up job they did on him
> in "Blake" would send me into the woods AFTER him.
Me, too, but it's more the scar and all it represents than the
facial fuzz.
Re: Liking men with beards. Depends on the man, depends on the
beard. I mean, does she know she's a beard or is he just using her, are
they friends?
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:04:23 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Tyce Sarkoff, Charisma
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980118085532.16949C-100000@alpha.bgsu.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Patti McClellan wrote:
> As for my
>impression that she was being offered as Sarkoff's lover [...]
Patti, for what it's worth, everyone I know interprets the
set up the same way--we're supposed to think, or at least consider the
possibility, that Tyce and Sarkoff are lovers until she addresses him
as "father" near the end.
> I have no problem with Blake. I think he's very attractive
>and tormented by a need to "fix" something which is probably not
>fixable by a small band of outlaws. I just dont' think he's Che
>Guevara.
And look what happened to him-stuck in an Andrew Lloyd Webber
(spit, ptooie) "musical". 8-)
I totally disagree with your assessement of Blake's charisma,
but more than that, I disagree with your assessemnt that you're in the
minority. The bulk of fan fic and fan debate leads me to conclude that
the only part of your statement that is a minority opinion is the first
sentence in the above paragraph. 8-)
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:11:22 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Way Back 4/4
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980118090436.16949D-100000@alpha.bgsu.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Pat Patera wrote:
> Charisma is a strange thing. It's also called "star quality." And no,
> alas, Blake does not have it.
This is called "an opinion," although you've stated it as a
fact, and it and 50 cents will get you a Twix bar in my neighborhood,
Pat. 8-)
I'm with Lisa and Jenni: Blake's got it. I'd also distinguish,
as I did before, between what's going on in the series and what's going
on with fans: IMO, it's obvious from the episodes that, in his universe,
Blake's the star. Avon's being the star among fans doesn't change that.
And it's not like it's an either/or choice, more of a both/and.
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:12:04 +0100 (MET)
From: gwr@easynet.co.uk (Gareth Randall)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown
Message-Id: <199801181412.PAA24274@samantha.lysator.liu.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>And as for Servalan forgetting to remove Tarrant's teleport bracelet - words
>fail me.
Well, it *was* radio. She couldn't see that he was wearing it. If it had
been a TV episode, it wouldn't have been a problem.
Gareth
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gwr
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:18:31 +0100 (MET)
From: gwr@easynet.co.uk (Gareth Randall)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] editing on Volcano/DotG tape?
Message-Id: <199801181418.PAA24776@samantha.lysator.liu.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Some of the cuts are very brief. Spacefall (which I think is the only
>one the BBC officially admits to cutting) had only a few seconds cut -
>the scene where Avon is fighting with the computer technician, and boxes
>his ears.
The bizarre thing about this is that the BBC's original "The Beginning" tape
includes this scene, and is rated PG - as is the later Way Back/Spacefall
tape, and indeed almost all of the other episodic tapes. Yet Volcano/DotG
and the other one (can't remember the two eps right now) are both rated U
(the UK equivalent of G). Very odd.
Gareth
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gwr
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:04:18 -0800
From: "J. I. Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Oi page
Message-ID: <34C28A72.3AF4@dial.pipex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Judith Proctor wrote re the beeb Oi page:
> Tell me! I found the page to be an almighty pain. It's completely
> incompatible with a lot of browsers. It's so incompatible that if you don't
> have the right browser you can't even get to the feedback section to tell
> them that you have a problem!
Yes! I got so incensed trying to post my questions in advance that I
tried to go to the feedback page to tell them how crap it was, yet every
time I attempted to access this page it crashed.
On reflection, perhaps that is what they intended.
Julie Horner
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:21:45 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980118101653.4631A-100000@alpha.bgsu.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
OK, upon reflection, Cartman is Avon and Kyle is Vila. Stan
is still Blake and Kenny Gan ("Oh my God! They killed Kenny!") Wendy
is Jenna (Stan's girlfriend), Sherry is Cally (Stan's mean older sister
who beats him up), and the Mayor is Servalan. I'm not sure who Chef
and Mr. Garrison could be.
Come on, doesn't ANYBODY on this list watch South Park?
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
"What would Brian Boitano do?"
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:29:22 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] London drink
Message-ID: <885140040.2016964.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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Bill said -
> Count me in!
>
> only... where is Pages Bar? (I live in Australia, but it just so happens
> I'll be in London that day!)
Wow - brilliant coincidence.
Thanks for suggesting this Steve I shall certainly try to make it.
Bill - it is Page St, which is near to the Tate Gallery. The best thing is
to buy an A-Z, but roughly, you go to Lambeth bridge, walk up Horseferry Rd
a few hundred yards til you meet Page St, then turn left, and it is on the
next corner you come to.
Hope other people can arrange to turn up too. We had a good laugh
the last couple of times. At least as far as I can remember..
Alison
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:38:30 +1000
From: vera@c031.aone.net.au
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980119033830.22873072@mail01.mel.aone.net.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Sue wrote:
> OK, upon reflection, Cartman is Avon and Kyle is Vila. Stan
>is still Blake and Kenny Gan ("Oh my God! They killed Kenny!") Wendy
>is Jenna (Stan's girlfriend), Sherry is Cally (Stan's mean older sister
>who beats him up), and the Mayor is Servalan. I'm not sure who Chef
>and Mr. Garrison could be.
>
> Come on, doesn't ANYBODY on this list watch South Park?
OMIGOD. That's perfect. I can just see Vila saying, "Oh my God! They killed Gan! You bastards."
I've only seen two episodes of this sick puppy, but Mr Garrison is the one with the hand puppet isn't he? Doesn't that make him Travis??
Sue, you're brilliant and evil. I like that in a person.
Malissa
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:07:36 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] South Park Liberator (pt. 2)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980118120200.28594A-100000@alpha.bgsu.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 vera@c031.aone.net.au wrote:
> I've only seen two episodes of this sick puppy, but Mr Garrison is
>the one with the hand puppet isn't he? Doesn't that make him Travis??
You're right! Maybe Chef could be Orac, since he knows
everything. And Orac did have that lapse in "Sand" that's about
as close to Chef's outlook as B7 gets. 8-) If Stan is Blake, I
guess that makes Uncle Jimbo Ushton...
Gan/Og fans can adopt Scuzzlebutt, too.
> Sue, you're brilliant and evil. I like that in a person.
Dude! We kick ass!
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:20:38 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE:[B7L] :Beards (was Upcoming excitment)
Message-ID: <34C2AA66.3F19@termlow.co.uk>
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Iain Coleman wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Julia Jones wrote:
>
> > I thought the (real) five-day beard was rather cute. Which is saying
> > something, I'm not a fan of beards. Paul's one of the few men I consider
> > to be sexy, rather than merely not actually repellent, when wearing a
> > beard.
>
> Come on, now, Julia posted this a couple of days ago. Aren't any of the
> women out there going to say how much they like bearded guys?
> No?
NO. Men with proper beards like Gareth are fine. So-called designer
stubble is horrible, and males that think it soooo "cool" come across as
people who cannot be bothered to shave properly (IMO). A full beard takes
a lot of looking after, and is soft to touch. Designer stubble makes me
cringe.
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:21:24 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re:[B7L]: Beards & the Silly Season
Message-ID: <34C2AA94.2DDE@termlow.co.uk>
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Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
>
> Fran wrote in support of beards, but added:
> >I also like hairy chests. (On men, that is).
>
> Oh, no, I draw the line at hairy chests. Facial hair good, chest hair
> horrible. No offence meant.
> Harriet
And Back hair makes me shudder!! yuuuuukkkkk
Bye for now
Jackie
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