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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 182
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
Re: [B7L] Love, part two.
[B7L] Sports
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
[B7L] vids
Re: [B7L] vids
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
Re: [B7L] Sports
[B7L] Vilas First And Only Puerile Attempt At Poetry
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
[B7L] Peladon
Re: [B7L] Sports
Re: [B7L] vids
Re: [B7L] Sports
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
[B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
[B7L] FYI
[B7L] Sorry
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
[B7L] Fanzines in the National Library of Australia
Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
[B7L] Flag waving.
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 00:39:53 PDT
From: "Edith Spencer" <sueno45@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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To all:
Hello. I since joining this list, I have been mor careful of the
way I watch my B7 videos- and other shows in general! On another note, I
notice the astonishing cruelty the members seem to have towards the
writing style of...
Paul Darrow.
Now, heck, I wouldn't want to even trying to censor anyone, or
proclaim anyone a fiend. Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- I
have never of anyone being so lambasted in my entire short life. I have
not read Queen: The Eye, but after reading the review, I am afraid to.
On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize the
great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" series of
books. And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter-
perhaps that is the secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes
Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. You guys are funny and
entertaining as the B5 people!
Edith Spencer
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:50:37 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Love, part two.
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Edith said -
> Hello again. Just starting out- I did mean to imply in my "sweet
> love on the liberator" post anything about eros, or sexual love. I hope
> I did not offend anyone! My interest was more in the Agapos,"platonic"
> love as we would call it.
I've got to respond to this, because I like to think of B7 in relation to
this kind of love. Not that I am against 'the other'. Also I think sexual
love can be a metaphorical representation of other types of love. In a
story, and of course in real life.
Samuel Delaney said that what he liked about SF was that you could make
metaphors come true. He used the example 'his world literally fell apart'.
Similarly the freedom of a story set in the future allows you to invent any
kind of social code to literally 'flesh out' emotional relationships.
Actually, in real life, I wonder what is a better motive for having sex
with someone - that you love them non-sexually, or that you are sexually
attracted to them? I know ideally we look for the congruence of the two..
I do think that the crew(s) in B7 loved each other in the way that you mean
Edith, i.e. as a 'band of brothers' (and sisters). I am a big believer that
this is a natural way for a group of people to inter-relate, particularly
under stress.
Alison
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:26:43 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Sports
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Hi all,
After all those postings connecting our favourite characters to music, =
cars, football teams and drinks, I started wondering about sports. I =
don't recall anyone on the liberator ever doing anything but running for =
their lives when it came to this, but most of them seemed to be in =
pretty good shape. So here's what I think they would have liked to do in =
their time off:
Jenna: racing
Avon: battlechess (because you get to destroy your opponents pieces, so =
they don't come back)
Blake: rowing, with him holding that bullhorn-like thing
Vila: I don't know, hang around in pubs, probably
Cally: any team sports
Gan: weightlifting
I'd like to hear what you guys think.
Jacqueline
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:21:40 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: sueno45@hotmail.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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In a message dated 98-07-02 03:48:03 EDT, sueno45@hotmail.com writes:
<< Now, heck, I wouldn't want to even trying to censor anyone, or
proclaim anyone a fiend. Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- I
have never of anyone being so lambasted in my entire short life. I have
not read Queen: The Eye, but after reading the review, I am afraid to.<<
Consider it a mercy to your pocketbook, your time and your tolerence. You've
been saved from what is definitely an unpleasant experience, unless you 'like'
stories where eyeballs are casually picked up from the floor and popped into
someone's pocket...different strokes for different folks, y'know?
>>On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize the
great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" series of
books. And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter-
perhaps that is the secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes
Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. You guys are funny and
entertaining as the B5 people! >>
The answer is yes....Shatner's stuff is ghostwritten by a fairly well-known SF
author. And yes, his fans sometimes berate the stuff, but not nearly as badly
because the novels are readable.
Leah
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:27:15 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] vids
Message-Id: <79822266MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Lisa Williams said: "Anything being sold from the US would
be NTSC tapes, though, and hence not of much use to the
Brits"
Most new video players sold in the UK now do Pal and NTSC.
I eventually bought tape 6 (Bounty and Deliverance) at Virgin
in Bromley, but I was in Forbidden Planet in central London
today and saw they now have it in stock.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy
and taste good with ketchup
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Date: 02 Jul 1998 15:38:10 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] vids
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STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk writes:
> Most new video players sold in the UK now do Pal and NTSC.
Almost. They grok NTSC, but what comes out of the VCR is known as
PAL-60, since it's 60Hz rather than 50. Most reasonably modern TV sets
understand PAL-60 just fine, but if you have an old one you're
probably out of luck. A machine that can do *real* conversions from
NTSC to PAL is a couple of orders of magnitude more expensive.
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:45:39 -0700
From: "Ann Basart" <abasart@dnai.com>
To: "Blake's7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Edith Spencer" <sueno45@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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Here's a reader's review on Amazon.com about a Paul Darrow book. No
astonishing cruelty to PD as an actor, but as an author, well ... :
melodyc@qnet.com (Melody Clark) , 03/22/97 <Picture: 2 out of 5 stars>
Avon: A Terrible Aspic, a mold of some gelatinous leftovers
This novel (based on the brilliant British SF series Blake's 7) was written
by Paul Darrow, the actor who played the role of "Avon" on Blake's 7. Mr
Darrow is a complex, subtle actor. He brought to the character many, many
levels. Avon clearly possessed kinder and gentler motives than he dared
reveal, instead assuming the role of rivingly cynical logical savant,
forced by apparent circumstances to be part of Blake's less-than-merry band
of criminals-turned-freedom-fighters.
So too Mr Darrow aspires toward better intentions with his novel, but falls
utterly into aspic...a melange of suspect lineage, more vegetable matter
than meat. It's not "terrible", in the popular sense, but more in the
Elizabethan tradition whence the title derives.
The plot is unwieldy, the prose oft times deadly, the character judgments
highly suspect, and the astronomical and astrophysical suggestions
frequently downright criminal.
Still and all, he's a brilliant actor. I heartly recommend he spend his
sparetime in other pursuits
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> From: Edith Spencer <sueno45@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
> Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 12:39 AM
>
>
>
> To all:
> Hello. I since joining this list, I have been mor careful of the
> way I watch my B7 videos- and other shows in general! On another note, I
> notice the astonishing cruelty the members seem to have towards the
> writing style of...
> Paul Darrow.
> Now, heck, I wouldn't want to even trying to censor anyone, or
> proclaim anyone a fiend. Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- I
> have never of anyone being so lambasted in my entire short life. I have
> not read Queen: The Eye, but after reading the review, I am afraid to.
> On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize the
> great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" series of
> books. And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter-
> perhaps that is the secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes
> Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. You guys are funny and
> entertaining as the B5 people!
>
> Edith Spencer
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:32:43 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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From: Bizarro7@aol.com <Bizarro7@aol.com>
To: sueno45@hotmail.com <sueno45@hotmail.com>; blakes7@lysator.liu.se
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
> >>On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize the
> great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar" series of
> books. And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter-
> perhaps that is the secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes
> Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know. You guys are funny and
> entertaining as the B5 people! >>
>
>The answer is yes....Shatner's stuff is ghostwritten by a fairly well-known
SF
>author. And yes, his fans sometimes berate the stuff, but not nearly as
badly
>because the novels are readable.
Michael Tobias helped ghost write the Tek books. Garfield and Judith
Reeve-Stevens are acknowledged co-writers of his Star Trek books.
The Tek books are good. The Star Trek books are wonderful. Shatner truly
has a grip on what makes his character great.
Reuben
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:13:09 +0100
From: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: <abasart@dnai.com>, "Blake's7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Edith Spencer" <sueno45@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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Ann wrote:
>Here's a reader's review on Amazon.com about a Paul Darrow book. No
>astonishing cruelty to PD as an actor, but as an author, well ... :
<snip>
I've been woefully out of touch with stuff on the list recently because of
other commitments. But obviously I have missed this. By the review date
this book came out last year. Is it still available and where could I get a
copy? And what is the full titile of the book. Is it worth reading? Is it
better than Afterlife?
Answers on an e-mail please.
Thanks,
Ian "I am Taz and I claim my five pounds" Lay
////
:-)
\\\\
Watford Internet Football Club
Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or
wifc@wfc.net
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:23:05 EDT
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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While I haven't read Darrow's book myself, I have seen a few excerpts from
it which do seem rather...odorous. Also, I have seen enough postings by the
folks here to believe that any critisisms, however harsh, are indeed based on
honesty rather than malicious intent. By almost any standard, from what I
gather, the book is just not worth the paper it's written on(even as I plan to
purchase a copy next year).
As far as Trek fans; was one myself, but have never understood the level of
worship that the stars generated. OK, so the Great Bird was a womanizer, and
Shatner thought too much of himself. That doesn't detract from the work they
did, nor does it give them carte blanche to behave as they want without
comment. One of the refreshing aspects of B7 is that the fans seem very open
in discussing their favorite characters and actors, without becoming lost to
the reality that the characters are fictional and the actors merely human.
Nice post though, and hope the occasionally rough dialogue doesn't
intimidate you.
D. Rose
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:00:33 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sports
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From: Jacqueline Thijsen
>After all those postings connecting our favourite characters to music,
cars, >football teams and drinks, I started wondering about sports. I don't
recall >anyone on the liberator ever doing anything but running for their
lives when it >came to this, but most of them seemed to be in pretty good
shape. So here's >what I think they would have liked to do in their time
off:
>Jenna: racing
>Avon: battlechess (because you get to destroy your opponents pieces, so
>they don't come back)
>Blake: rowing, with him holding that bullhorn-like thing
>Vila: I don't know, hang around in pubs, probably
>Cally: any team sports
>Gan: weightlifting
>I'd like to hear what you guys think.
Blake: Yes perhaps rowing, or maybe cricket - something fairly gentlemanly
Avon: What about fencing - I can just see him holding that perfectly
stiff-backed
pose and staring his opponent unsmilingly straight in the eye
Or what about snooker - if you call that a sport - I just think
the formal
clothes would suit his style.
Or maybe even the noble art of boxing except one couldn't bear
the
thought of that lovely face getting smashed up and I suppose
someone
with his intelligence would not want to risk his brains getting
scrambled
so perhaps not.
Vila: Darts
Gan: Wrestling of course!
Jenna: Swimming
Cally; Something fairly virtuous but boring - like step, or whatever that
dead boring thing is where you just get up and down off a low
bench alot.
Tarrant: Motor-racing.
Though he might be tempted into football so that he could have
models and Spice Girls for girlfriends.
Dayna: Combat sports such as karate or judo
Soolin: Well - shooting naturally - nothing where she would get hot and
sweaty.
Julie Horner
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:56:25 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Vilas First And Only Puerile Attempt At Poetry
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Penny:
>Vila�s First And Only Puerile Attempt At Poetry
[snip]
*giggles*
good stuff!
ttfn, Nicola
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Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"If I'm wrong you can say "I told you so", provided you speak loudly
and quickly."
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:27:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: moconnor@escape.ca (Mary O'Connor)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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In regards to 'Avon: A Terrible Aspect' Edith Spencer suggests;
>Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes
>Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know.
>
> Edith Spencer
>
The story I heard, or maybe it was an excuse,
It seems Paul had some fans read his story and make suggestions
but rather than making their changes he sent the raw manuscript off to
the publisher that was interested.
Perhaps he felt it would just be torn apart by the publisher's editor
and he could save time by just rewriting it once for the publisher.
But, the book company chose to print the book from the raw manuscript
without having any rewrites to fix it up.
Bought the book, got it autographed, don't remember it much, probably
won't read it again. But, I had a friend who was both Paul's Anna - able
to bounce off the walls at will and giggle up a storm; and she was also
very ambitious and her ambitions nearly wiped her out. I was always
tempted to write the "Anna chapter" that Paul's book was crying out for.
But, alas, I am not much of a writer.
Mary O'Connor
moconnor@escape.ca
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 00:52:17 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: space-city@world.std.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Peladon
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Chris asked about Peladon 98 in Basildon which includes
Jacqueline Pearce and Michael Keating among its guests and
asks: "Sounds an ambitious line-up, obviously mainly Doctor
Who. Does anyone know what the organisers' track record is
like?"
I have known about this event for a few weeks and I must admit
I was little nervy about posting the details. The reason is that
last year, the first Peladon, they put out flyers claiming B7
guests. It turned out these were not confirmed. I went to the
event, which was a one day affair, and there was no B7 guests
at it. When I saw the leaflet for this year, I was obviously
suspicious. So I asked Diane Gies ( Horizon boss), who knew
about lats year's con, and she checked up and got back to me
confirming that JP and MK are really confirmed guests. So
basically the event looks ok. The people who run it also do a lot
of dealers fairs and they are a profit based organisation.
Peladon also is at a sports centre not a hotel, so I don't know
what the accomodation situation is.
However, the guy who runs it (Lawrence) seems ok, and I've
had a chat with him about having a stall for Redemption at
Peladon on a swap with him having something similar at
Peladon, and he seems keen though we haven't sorted out the
details yet.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy
and taste good with ketchup
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:51:22 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sports
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Julie Horner wrote:
> Blake: Yes perhaps rowing, or maybe cricket - something fairly
> gentlemanly
You people seem to have a funny idea about what rowing is. Blake is totally
unsuited to it - he's constantly changing tack, has no idea how to sit
back, bide his time and pick his moment. And he falls apart under sustained
stress. When the going gets tough, Blake looks for the easy get-out clause
(what else would you call Central and Star One?) Rowing is no
death-or-glory sport. Nor, for that matter, is cricket, especially
test-matches.
Blake's sport is squash. Instant gratification, and the chance to thwack
your opponent over head "by accident" if he happens to play better than
you.
> Avon: What about fencing - I can just see him holding that perfectly
> stiff-backed pose and staring his opponent unsmilingly
> straight in the eye. Or what about snooker - if you call
> that a sport - I just think the formal clothes would suit
> his style.
The problem with fencing is that there is no time to plan - it's all
reflexes and flair. Avon would hate it. Now rowing and cricket are Avon's
games - strategic, thoughtful, and as much mental as physical.
You're right about the snooker, though. You need real toughness to sit and
watch, helpless, as your opponent makes a huge break. And then play just as
agressively in the next frame.
> Or maybe even the noble art of boxing except one couldn't
> bear the thought of that lovely face getting smashed up
> and I suppose someone with his intelligence would not
> want to risk his brains getting scrambled so perhaps not.
No, boxing is out for that very reason.
> Vila: Darts
....or any other pub games.
> Gan: Wrestling of course!
Tug-o-war. Judo (now there's a scary thought). Gut-barging (with a little
more training from Vila).
> Jenna: Swimming
With her hair? I think not - the chlorine would ruin it. She's a motocycle
fiend (TT and Formula, not cross-country). Actually, Avon would love that
too - all that leather and chrome. He'd go all wobbly (which is not much
use to Jenna).
> Cally; Something fairly virtuous but boring - like step, or whatever
> that dead boring thing is where you just get up and down off
> a low bench alot.
Cally would do gymnastics. Which would enhance her tantric sex sessions
enormously. I can see her playing shove-ha'penny with TK as well (oh no -
that's B5 isn't it? :-).
> Tarrant: Motor-racing.
> Though he might be tempted into football so that he could
> have models and Spice Girls for girlfriends.
Tarrant strikes me as a drag-racer. He's not into this braking and
cornering rubbish. Or maybe he drives Monster Trucks. Hey - it's a sport.
Allegedly.
> Dayna: Combat sports such as karate or judo
Too tame. She'd pick some bastard offspring of Kung Fu and Nunjitsu. And
then play with sharp edges and no armour.
And biathlon (is that what I mean? Cross-country skiing interspersed with
target shooting). After all, it's the closest you get to real hunting in an
Olympic sport.
> Soolin: Well - shooting naturally - nothing where she would get hot and
> sweaty.
She rules Quake. Uberfragmeister. And she doesn't even have to redo her
hair afterwards.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:39:19 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] vids
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STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote:
>Most new video players sold in the UK now do Pal and NTSC.
I know, but why would you *want* to do NTSC if you've got PAL available?
You're lucky at that; I had to call around all over the place before I
finally found a source that could get a dual-format VCR for me. Most of 'em
over here never heard of PAL, had no idea such a VCR existed.
- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:52:12 +0100
From: "Kate Gordon" <kateg@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "Blakes 7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sports
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-----Original Message-----
Jacqueline said
<Hi all,
<After all those postings connecting our favourite characters to music,
cars, football <teams and drinks, I started wondering about sports. I don't
recall anyone on the <liberator ever doing anything but running for their
lives when it came to this, but most <of them seemed to be in pretty good
shape. So here's what I think they would have <liked to do in their time
off:
What about...
Blake rugby
Avon jogging or cycling (a solitary persuit that require stamina)
Vila Snap! or tiddlywinks(or fishing)
Gan darts or dominos(tossing the caber or shot put on a good
day)
Dayna archery of course( or mud wrestling with Servalan)
Cally netball as she's a bit of a girlie!(with synchronized
swimming second) or bridge (being a telepath would be an advantage)
Soolin snowboarding
Servalan Russian roulette(just for a laugh...and fixed of course)
Travis boxing
Jenna javlin
Kate(a confirmed couch potato)
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:50:44 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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Ian Lay wrote:
>By the review date this book came out last year. Is it still available and
>where could I get a copy? And what is the full titile of the book. Is it
>worth reading? Is it better than Afterlife?
Came out in 1989, actually. Don't know about current availability, but
there might be some remainders somewhere. Title: _Avon: A Terrible Aspect_.
Worth reading? Erm, well, depends on what kind of "worth" you have in mind,
I guess. Literature it isn't. If you want to see what happens when an actor
turns his hand to trying to write fiction about a character he played, it
might be worth a look. Actually, I think Darrow had some rather interesting
ideas, but he should have done like Shatner and recruited a ghostwriter who
could write. Compared to _Afterlife_? Well, I found Darrow's book somewhat
entertaining in a purple-prosy, pulp-fiction sort of way, awful though it
admittedly was. _Afterlife_ I found boring and unmemorable. Neither one is
something I'd pick to be marooned on a desert island with.
- Lisa
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Date: 02 Jul 1998 10:16:49 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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"Edith Spencer" <sueno45@hotmail.com> writes:
> Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty-
Or maybe you're confusing comments on a piece of work with comments on
the person?
> I have never of anyone
> being so lambasted in my entire short life. I have not read Queen:
> The Eye, but after reading the review, I am afraid to.
I haven't read that one either, but I have read (parts of, haven't
managed to finish it yet) "Avon: a Terrible Aspect" and that one
certainly sucks. It's badly written, and the characters and plot seems
to have no relation to the TV series "Blake's 7" beyond coincidence of
names. It is, quite honestly, one of the worst books I have ever read,
and I have read thousands.
Paul Darrow published books. Professionally. Books that people paid
money for. If he can't take whatever comments the readers make, he
shouldn't have done that. If anyone has been cruel to PD, it's the
person at the publishing house who let him publish it.
> On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once criticize
> the great Shatner when he decided to go into writing the "Tekwar"
> series of books.
Have you ever heard a trekkie criticise Shatner _at all_? I've even
heard some of them defend Shatner's record (as in LP with music on it,
for unusual definitions of "music"), and that one is *bad*.
> And they sold a lot of them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter-
> perhaps that is the secret!
He did. The ghostwriter in question is Ron Goulart, a fairly well
known and highly competent SF and mystery writer.
> Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes Paul stuff a whole lot.
If so, that editor should be fired before he brings the publisher to
bankrupcy!
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:37:53 -0400
From: DJ Wight <Angnak@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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Edith writes,
> On another note, I notice the astonishing cruelty the
> members seem to have towards the writing style of...
> Paul Darrow.
> Now, heck, I wouldn't want to even trying to censor
> anyone, or proclaim anyone a fiend.
<grins> Astonishing cruelty? 'S a'right, I may be a bit
groggy over the breakfast e-mail at the moment, but I
don't infer anything censoring *or* censuring, here.
> Perhaps I have mistaken honesty for cruelty- I have never
> of anyone being so lambasted in my entire short life.
It's more just a complete lack of reverence. No condemnation
involved.
> I have not read Queen: The Eye, but after reading the
> review, I am afraid to.
So would I be, but not necessarily because of PD having
written it. He didn't write the game, and *its* reviews have
been less than brilliant all on their own.
> On the other hand, I have not heard Trek fans even once
> criticize the great Shatner when he decided to go into
> writing the "Tekwar" series of books. And they sold a lot of
> them! Maybe Shatner has a ghostwriter- perhaps that is the
> secret! Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes
> Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know
The 'great' Shatner? <chuckle> I got my start as a fan on the
fringes of ST:TOS, and even I wouldn't go that far. Can't speak
for the quality of the Tekwar series or whether a ghost was involved,
as nothing I've ever heard about them has been enough to
inspire my buying them. <yaWN> Don't think I've ever seen them
reviewed above 'ordinary'. But I wouldn't call the issue with A:ATA
entirely about quality of writing, anyway. (It would appear to have
its own eccentric charm, like a weird drug trip.) It's at least as
much about PD's notion of Avon's character being dramatically
at variance with a lot of (most?) fans', and...how can I put this?
sadly, not a richer view. Remembering the first of his interviews I
read---I basically sat there mind-boggled at what I was reading, for a
few minutes, then began to laugh very hard. Finally shook my
head and said, "Well, I guess this time I'm *not* going to be able to
respect what the actor has to say about the character."---thinking
back, oddly enough, to ST:TOS days, and the good fortune its'
principals had had, never to be so at odds with their fandom over
who their characters were.
--DJ
angnak@compuserve.com
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Proteous1@webtv.net (wayne schrager)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] FYI
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I no longer have saturday off so we will have to leave the party for me
to go to work that night, but we will be there !
love you was
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:34:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Proteous1@webtv.net (wayne schrager)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Sorry
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Sorry all address error on my part please ignore the last message it was
to a friend
thank you wayne
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:54:53 +1000
From: "Katrina Harkess" <kharkess@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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>
> In regards to 'Avon: A Terrible Aspect' Edith Spencer suggests;
> >Or maybe Paul's Editor is weird and likes
> >Paul stuff a whole lot. I don't know.
> >
I read it a few years ago and it just didn't seem to match the series. The
character names were the same but the personalities? The setting even? It
was disjointed to read as well. Hate to say it, but PD is a much much much
better actor than author. On the other hand, it was interesting enough to
read through - I'd borrow rather than buy.
Katrina.
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:35:00 +1000 (EST)
From: Lisa Darby <Lisa.Darby@anu.edu.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Fanzines in the National Library of Australia
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Hi folks
You may be interested to hear that the National Library of Australia has
received a large donation of fanzines from Susan Smith-Clarke. There is an
article about the donation in the library's newsletter as well as on the web
at http://www.nla.gov.au/collect/s-clarke.html. The newsletter article is
different and only mentions B7 in passing (the web article has more) but if
anyone is interested I will transcribe it for you.
Lisa
Lisa Darby
Librarian
North Australia Research Unit
PO Box 41321
Casuarina NT 0811
Australia
lisa.darby@anu.edu.au
Ph : +61 8 89220031
Fax : +61 8 89220055
http://online.anu.edu.au/naru/welcome.htm
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:14:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Astonishing Cruelty to P.D.
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On Thu 02 Jul, Reuben Herfindahl wrote:
> Michael Tobias helped ghost write the Tek books. Garfield and Judith
> Reeve-Stevens are acknowledged co-writers of his Star Trek books.
>
> The Tek books are good. The Star Trek books are wonderful. Shatner truly
> has a grip on what makes his character great.
>
Given that the few Star Trek books I have hung onto since discovering Blake's 7
include all the ones I had by Garfield and Judith Reeve-Stevens, I'm not
surprised that Shatner's Trek books are good. If nothing else, he had good
taste in co-writers.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:19:36 PDT
From: "Edith Spencer" <sueno45@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Flag waving.
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To all-
Over here in the United States of America, we will be doing our bit
of patriotic flag waving tomorrow- a time of picnics, music, beer and
fireworks being done by those who are fortunate enough to be off.
I had put out a post stating that our(USA) patriotism and spirituality
seemed a bit shallow, considering many of the problems that we have in
the States ( no universal single payer health care, bad support of
teachers, lack of funding for the arts)and that it seemed grimly
reflected in B7's world. The question is, what was Blake fighting for,
exactly? Everyone was drugged and dulled, but fed and perhaps reasonably
taken care of. Was he rebelling against absolutely control ( from
strength comes unity) at the expense of security? Did he expect others,
in mass movement, would join him? Especially if they had bread and
circuses?
Your ( admittingly intelligent and insightful) thoughts,
please.
Edith Spencer
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