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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 195
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder
[B7L] Bargain!
Re: [B7L] The Big Question
[B7L] Submissions to Avon club
Re: [B7L] B7 Games
Re: [B7L] Re: spam ban
Re: [B7L] Good Grief is nothing private??!!!
Re: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder
Re: [B7L] Love, part two.
Re: [B7L] canon firing.
Re: b7spin: Re: [B7L] Drugging to Control Behaviour
[B7L] Re: B7 games
Re: [B7L] The Big Question
Re: [B7L] B7 Games
Re: [B7L] Re: Shopping for vids
[B7L] Re: Canon fodder
[B7L] Vila/Soolin (was The Big Question)
[B7L] Gareth in 'The Crucible'
[B7L] Gareth in The Crucible
Re: [B7L] B7 Games
RE: [B7L] Gareth in The Crucible
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:53:52 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder
Message-ID: <PilUQeAAxkr1EwWP@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <35ADD7BC.E633699@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>, Steve Rogerson
<steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> writes
>Anyway, what's wrong with Animals?
Some of us don't have an obsession with hairy het?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:39:58 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "B7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Bargain!
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Just found a post-hire copy of Orac/Redemption,
guaranteed picture and sound quality, for 95 cents
at the local video shop. Intense searching failed
to locate any more volumes for that bargain price,
though I picked up a couple for 10 bucks each.
XXX Lindley.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:56:39 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Big Question
Message-ID: <CS8XMgAnzkr1EwUh@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <E0ywnwe-0007lV-00@post.mail.demon.net>, Alison Page
<alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes
>I can imagine the scene on Xenon base. Tarrant and Avon have been indulging
>in the same pissing contest (er, metaphorically speaking)
Why does it have to be metaphorical?
That gives me an idea for a story...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:45:31 EDT
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com (Penny L Kjelgaard)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Submissions to Avon club
Message-ID: <19980716.143945.9087.1.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Can anyone tell me how to submit a story to the Avon club? I am a bit
short on internet acess just now. All I have his email or I'd go to
their web page.
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:51:32 EDT
From: AChevron@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-07-16 16:46:32 EDT, you write:
<< Has there ever been any B7 board or card games? Roll playing?
Well, I don't know about Roll playing, but Horizon has put out a
Role-playing game, based on GURPs or something.
>>
Hmmm. Roll playing. Taking Tarrant, folding those long arms and legs firmly
about the torso, applying large amounts of the Federation's equivelant of duct
tape, and seeing who can roll him furthest down the corridors(with bonus
points for bank shots going around corners). Deborah
Rose
(Ducking frantically to get away from the wrath of the TN) <G>
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Date: 16 Jul 1998 13:44:51 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: spam ban
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Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> writes:
> It's sad that these people are so intent on stuffing their
> adverts down everybody elses' throats they have no idea (or worse
> probably don't care) the hassle they cause other people.
An oldtimer on the Net, Russ Alberry, wrote a beautiful article
(rant, really) on this topic. You can read it at http://search.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=339458840
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:51:38 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Good Grief is nothing private??!!!
Message-ID: <RCLT4ZA6ukr1Ew2W@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <E0ywQP6-0002IO-00@hen.scotland.net>, Loulou Harris
<loulou@okco.prestel.co.uk> writes
>Btw, my own receptionist thinks I am a sad anorak, I was told
>yesterday by someone else in the building. But she didn't dare to
>tell me that to my face!
My officemate said something about "freaks", but as he was trying to
wind me up (knowing that I knew some of the people involved) I am
disinclined to take any notice :-)
He did say that Judith seemed very enthusiastic about her subject. I'm
not sure whether that was supposed to be complimentary or not...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:26:31 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder
Message-ID: <199807161126.HAA11214@yfn.ysu.edu>
Steven wrote:
>As to B7, I've always regarded just the TV programmes as canon, but
>until recently there were no radio programmes. I can see no
>justification for not including The Sevenfold Crown in canon, despite
>its problems. If that had been done as a TV programme, all the fan
>fiction writers would be hastly scribbling away to write stories that
>would explain how Vila got an eating disorder and who this strange
>person was in Soolin's body.
Bravo, Steve, I like the way you think. I, too, would like to
regard the radio plays as canon (though that might change if
they were to kill off Tarrant in the future ;-). I like the
challenge of explaining the inconsistencies so that Sevenfold
fits canon. It does indeed provide more fodder for fanfic.
I'm agreeing with Steven. Eeek. This could be scary. Though
I suppose we both have shared an affinity for fur sex in the past. <g>
Carol Mc
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:36:00 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>,
"Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Love, part two.
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Alison wrote:
>I do think that the crew(s) in B7 loved each other in the way that you mean
>Edith, i.e. as a 'band of brothers' (and sisters). I am a big believer that
>this is a natural way for a group of people to inter-relate, particularly
>under stress.
I mostly agree with you - but Soolin?
She seemed vaguely fond of Dayna, true,
but as for regarding Avon as her brother...
My imagination fails. (Hail the goddess!)
- XXX Lindley
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst.
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.html
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:45:59 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] canon firing.
Message-ID: <VSMSMUAnpkr1EwXs@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <Marcel-1.42-0715201300-566Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>, Judith
Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes
<snip>
>
>Moot point. I take all 52 aired episodes as canon, because even where they are
>poor quality, they don't contradict one another too badly. However, I do not
>take The Sevenfold Crown as canon in spite of it being both BBC and having
>mostly original cast. It is simply too contradictory to the rest of the series.
<snip>
>
>If I can reject the radio play as being non-canonical, then I have no qualms at
>all about discarding Afterlife.
AOL
I'd like to see (hear?) the radio play as canon, I really would - but I
can't overlook the flat-out contradictions with the original material,
even if I can overlook the plot lifted out of the file of unused Who
stories.
And I'm certainly not going to view a piece of fanfic as canon simply
because it has a BBC logo on the cover. AIUI, Star Trek novels are not
officially considered to be canon (good thing too, in a few cases), so
that argument doesn't really hold a lot of water from my POV.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:29:40 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "B7 Spin" <b7spin@metva.com.au>
Subject: Re: b7spin: Re: [B7L] Drugging to Control Behaviour
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Una McC wrote:
>surely the point
>is about the alacrity with which some medical practitioners are willing to
>prescribe tranquillizing drugs for people who are, simply, unhappy (and I
>am making *no* generalizations about stay-at-home mums here, the same
>point could be made about an unemployed depressed person, for example, or
>indeed anyone who is depressed).
I'm beginning to agree with this. Being diagnosed
as depressed and given treatments for it changed
how I thought about what is, simply, frustration,
unhappiness and emotional repurcussions of chronic pain.
I began to think of my feelings as unnatural in me -
a disease - rather than as a valid reponse to
stress and circumstances I didn't cause. (I'm not
saying I'm not responsible for my own responses,
just that, as a friend pointed out, she'd question
my mental health if I *wasn't* depressed.) The failure
of drugs to actually help - I'm on combination number
five - has made me question whether drugging is
the correct solution. Trying not to be such a
perfectionist myself and not taking the troubles of
all this vale of tears as personal sorrows would be
more helpful in the long run, but that's another issue...
The Earth Federation citizens are happy and
calm because they pop their pills. (As Soolin's
High Priestess, I have to note that the Federation
doesn't seem to care whether its non-Earth
colonials are happy or not.) I think the
overwhelming majority of us would agree with
Blake that this is a horrible thing, that they should
be validly experiencing their pain and oppression
as a precondition to changing circumstances.
If they are drugged, why bother? After all, Blake
had to become drug-free and feel personally the
true extent of the horror of the Federation in
order to give his crusade true passion and meaning.
And we should
be applying this reflexively, which is what I assume
Una is doing. If it is wrong for bad situations to be
concealed through drugs, then it is wrong for *our*
unhappy to be taught to conceal their pain through
drugs - rather than demand changes in the way
household labour is organized, demand our
goivernments do something about unemployment,
demand better funding and awareness of wimmin's
health problems, or something equally disruptive
to the status quo... What's the point of watching
a telly show with political critique if we turn it off
and never apply the questions it raises to the real
world? Up the rebels!
>Both taking prescribed tranquillizers and drinking are potential responses
>to boredom and unhappiness, I agree. Yet we deem one socially acceptable
>because *it is validated by someone in a position of authority*. Someone
>goes to her doctor because she is bored, or unhappy, or anxious - and she
>is given a drug to take it away. It works - but is it *actually*
>appropriate?
The only person who objected to my doctor
and psychiatrist prescribing anti-depressant and
sedative drugs was my naturopath, who claimed
flower waters were equally effective drugs.
<quizzical look>
>It seems the issue here is not just one of distinctions in drug
>acceptability, but also one of distinctions in what we perceive as
>'illness' and what we perceive as 'treatment'. How and, more importantly,
>*why* is it that some definitions are 'regarded less favourably'?
I think we have to go back to what people
feel are valid sources of pain. If a housewife is
unhappy, well, then, it must be all in her head...
XXX Lindley
----
Mistress Ophelia Frump - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The addition of a smiley can somehow turn even the sharpest bon mot into a
clanking jape straight out of Reader's Digest; it is the written equivalent
of the Vegas rimshot."
-- Neil Stephenson, "Smiley's People"
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:57:57 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 games
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Penny asked: "Has there ever been any B7 board or card games? Roll
playing?"
I played a B7 board game at a con a long time ago, but I think that was
one that someone had made themselves. There is a B7 roll playing game
around and we plan to be doing one maybe two at Redemption (some details
about these are on our web page).
As to cards, it always amazes me that for just about every SF show that
has ever got past one episode someone seems to have made a set of
collectable cards, except for B7.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 05:21:39 -0400
From: DJ Wight <Angnak@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Big Question
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Alison wrote,
> As he starts to drink it he notices that Soolin is looking
> over at him.
<g> As in, "I need a vacation. You could be it."?
> Very importantly he doesn't smile at her or - god forbid - wink
> or any of the stupid things he is inclined to do in the presence
> of lovely women. he puts the drink down very gently and stands
> up. they go out. avon and tarrant don't notice.
>
> As they say on the wireless.. it could 'appen
Hey, no coercion. I like it!
--DJ
angnak@compuserve.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:52 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Games
Message-ID: <199807171348.JAA20772@yfn.ysu.edu>
Deborah blasphemes:
> Hmmm. Roll playing. Taking Tarrant, folding those long arms and legs firmly
>about the torso, applying large amounts of the Federation's equivelant of duct
>tape, and seeing who can roll him furthest down the corridors(with bonus
>points for bank shots going around corners).
Rrrrr... rrrrrr... Though when I think about it, this isn't a half
bad idea. It needs expanded a bit. He's been taken prisoner
by some nasties. They tape him up both to keep him contained
and to make him anonymous. But when they try to roll him by
his shipmates, the faint whiff of vanilla gives the dastardly
deed away. There's a gallant rescue, a painful removal of tape,
and much comforting.
Works for me. :)
Carol Mc
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:34 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Shopping for vids
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From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
>Walter asked: "Could you clarify/confirm two things for me - Firstly,
>how many of the episodes/tapes been released so far ( ie what episode
>are they up to? ). Secondly, can you confirm that there is extra
>material besides the two eps on each tape, as was rumoured here a few
>months ago?
>
>Tape 6 containing Bounty and Deliverance is out and, I think, tape 7
>with Orac and Redemption is due next week. As to your second question, I
>haven't a clue cos I'm keeping this set unwatched at the moment.
>However, if there is extra stuff on them I will probably change this
>policy very quickly. Antone else help?
So far there has been no extra stuff - at least, I left each one playing for
a little
while after the last episode just to see and nothing happened.
Julie Horner
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:23:46 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Canon fodder
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52 (in very big letters)
Weeks in the year, Tests in which Atherton led England, canon episodes of
Blake's 7.
Nothing else counts, and accept no cheap imitations (there never were 57
Heinz varieties, you know).
Harriet
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:24:16 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Vila/Soolin (was The Big Question)
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DJ enthused about pairing Vila and Soolin, but
>The only thing that boggles me, would be how
>to get them together, to start. What could he
>*do*, that could make a good enough impression
>on her, for her to seriously consider him worth her
>attention/affection?
Gauda Prime, surely, when he steps forward to tackle an armed woman to
protect Dayna. And suppose they're the sole survivors who have to escape
together.
Harriet
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:02:43 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Gareth in 'The Crucible'
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--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:47:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Gareth in The Crucible
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Whoops. My first posting of this was blank for some reason.
Obviously cursed by witches...
Gareth Thomas will be appearing in Arthur Miller's play 'The Crucible'. These
are the dates as I currently have them.
14-26 September - Churchill Theatre, Bromley
28 September - 3 October - Marlow Theatre, Canterbury
5-10 October - Festival Theatre, Malvern
12-18 October - Sheffield
19-24 October - Theatre Royal, Nottingham
26-31 October - His Majesty's Theatre, Aberdeen
2-7 November - King's Theatre, Edinburgh
9-14 November - Civic Theatre, Darlington
16-21 November - Theatre Royal, Norwich
23-28 November - New Victoria Theatre, Woking
All of which makes him look very dubious for Visions which is 27-29 November.
Judith
PS. Woking and Bromley are about the closest to me. Anyone want to get a
group together? I should imagine there'll be several people going in the
Darlington area, but that's a bit far north for me.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:43:56 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Games
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At 08:21 16/07/98 +0100, Judith Proctor wrote:
>
>Reminds me. Anyone want to volunteer to help run the pictionary game?
>
>I await with interest the efforts of fans to draw 'Rumours of Death' in less
>than 60 seconds...
>
Having played Lucy Collin's B7 Pictionary (the one used by Roberta et al at
"Deliverance") with the "Terra Nostra", I can assure you there are worse
horrors than "Rumours Of Death" awaiting those who wish to give it a go.
"Aversion Therapy" and "Rule Of Life" spring immediately to mind. And I
can't say that "Dawn Of The Gods" was a bundle of laughs to draw, either!
Judith
J.M. Rolls
jager@clara.net
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 98 16:02:55 UT
From: "Anne Lane" <Anne_and_Mike_Lane@classic.msn.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Gareth in The Crucible
Message-Id: <UPMAIL01.199807181612200003@classic.msn.com>
Judith asked:
> PS. Woking and Bromley are about the closest to me. Anyone want to get a
> group together? I should imagine there'll be several people going in the
> Darlington area, but that's a bit far north for me.
> --
>
Bromley's just a bus ride away for me, so I'll definitely be going, and
probably my husband Mike too, if we can get the flat tidy enough to let a
babysitter in. Could always go to Woking as well of course!
Anne
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