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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 198
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Orac's innards
[B7L] Re: Happy Endings
Re: [B7L] Babylon 5 Repeats-on TNT,babe.
[B7L] Re: Blakes Legend
[B7L] Babylon 5 repeats
Re: [B7L] Re: Shopping for vids
[B7L] Fw: computers and fandom
Re: [B7L] Re: Happy Endings
[B7L] B7 on UK Gold & B5 on Ch4
Re: [B7L] Babylon 5 Repeats
Re: [B7L] Re: Happy Endings
RE: [B7L] Babylon 5 Repeats-on TNT,babe.
Re: [B7L] Babylon 5 Repeats
Re: [B7L] Fw: computers and fandom
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:25:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Kaplan <rckaplan@agamemnon.ai.uiuc.edu>
To: Blakes7 List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac's innards
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On 20 Jul 1998, Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> > Was there any truth in the rumour that Orac was actually running off
>> > an Acorn Atom? (I think the timing is about right.)
>>
>> Does anybody here know if it's true?
>
>No Acorn could be seen inside him at Deliverance, and <Iforgethisname>
>who had been one of model guys for most of the series didn't mention
>it. I think he would have said something if there had been an actual
>computer involved. Anyway, a computer to control Orac would've been
>gross overkill, as all he was (apart from script and Peter Tuddenham)
>was a bunch of blinking lights.
I would have to agree with that. Also, looking at Orac I got impression
that Orac was an optical computer (or opticomputer). This would explain
why we all we see on Orac is blinking lights, and no motherboard (or its
futuristic equivalent) for example. An Acorn would not fit in with the
concept of the opticomputer.
This is probably the wrong angle to look at it since, I doubt that Orac's
designers on the show were thinking about this, but I am glad it is
consistent.
_______________________________________________________________
Ray Kaplan CS Major University of Illinois
rckaplan@acm.org Chair of SigVR at ACM@UIUC
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:44:54 +1000 (EST)
From: David Henderson <David.Henderson@jcu.edu.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Happy Endings
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> To be less succinct, the ending of S:AAB compares favourably with the
> end of Blake's 7, though of course it has a different tone, because
> the whole show had a different tone. Ironic, rather than tragic.
> Obvious comparison: they're dead, Jim. Well, half of them are
Well I guess S:AAB compares in that some of the major players
(in which we care about) are killed / maimed / etc. But I found the
overall tone (feeling) was still of accomplishment. (They found Kylen(?),
won the war, overcame their personal conflicts,...).
Where as B7 was just bleak (bloody effective, but still bleak). Nothing
was gained by the B7 crew, we were left with nothing to hold up and laud.
Ophelia wrote
>> tape, literally for months. I'll let you know what I
>> think when I finally gather up the courage to watch
>> it. <rueful grin> >>
I havn't watched "Blake" since it was screened on ABC tv. I have the
episode on tape, but have not taken it out of the shrink wrapped plastic.
Have never felt like it was the "right" moment to rewatch it. Dont know
if I am worried that watching the episode again will spoil
recollections,... maybe....maybe not.
l8r
david
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:44:23 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: Edith Spencer <sueno45@hotmail.com>
Cc: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Babylon 5 Repeats-on TNT,babe.
Message-ID: <a1yhlDAHjDt1EwVk@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <19980721044112.5350.qmail@hotmail.com>, Edith Spencer
<sueno45@hotmail.com> writes
> Dont know where Anne is from ( on this list, one has to considerate
>of the fact that there are people from all over)but it was my
>understanding that B5 was exclusively shown on TNT and TNT satellite.
The UK, I suspect, since Anne beat me by a couple of hours to posting
about that ad. It was shown on a terrestrial channel (CH4) here.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:23:24 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Blakes Legend
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ShilLance wrote re Blake's Legend: "Is this video available? Is it any
good?"
This has been stuck in post production for over a year. The most any of
us have seen of it was the trailer shown at Who's 7 in 1996, though I
did see a little bit more at an Horizon meeting mid 1997 when one of the
guys who was doing it said it would be ready for Deliverance. That
didn't happen, and I have no later information.
For those who don't know, this is a straight to video production set a
few years after the end of the TV series. Peter Tuddenham is in it as
Orac and the computer on the new ship (he also plays a minor role in
which we get to see him on screen). At one point they were hoping to get
Paul Darrow to do a guest appearance, and this was blamed for the hold
up. They planned to shoot extra scenes with him in it and edit it into
what they've already got.
The dealys have been so long there has to be some doubt as to whether it
will ever appear, but I've still got my fingers crossed.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:22:30 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Babylon 5 repeats
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Anne Lane said: "According to an ad and listings in August's Cable Guide
the Sci-Fi Channel are showing Babylon 5 from the beginning, starting
3rd August, every weeknight at 9 p.m. Just the right timing for me, as
I'm about to register for Redemption but have never watched Babylon 5
(because everyone says you have to start at the
beginning!). The ad says "Uncut - See it from the beginning for the
first time" - I don't
know what this means."
When Channel 4 showed the first three seasons they had it pre watershed
and had to cut some of the scenes out. One episode (TKO) they initially
didn't show at all, but then
did at a later slot. The fourth season they showed uncut in a late slot
and the fifth season they are showing it on Sunday lunchtime, sometimes
cut, and repeated late Monday night uncut. As far as I know the videos
are uncut and the first three seasons are all rated either PG or 12,
which makes me think Ch4 was being a bit oversensitive.
Keep your eyes peeled for the Drazi Sunhawk in Deathwalker (episode nine
I think) and a few later episodes. This was the ship that was based on
the Liberator, but more curvy and with an orange elongated ball rather
than the round green one.
Edith said: "Dont know where Anne is from ( on this list, one has to
considerate
of the fact that there are people from all over)but it was my
understanding that B5 was exclusively shown on TNT and TNT satellite."
Anne is referring to the Sci-Fi Channel in the UK. All we get on TNT in
the UK are old movies.
Ray Kaplan said: "There must be mutiple showing in places outside the US
since I did read that in the UK the last 5 episodes will start in early
August."
My understanding is that the UK will get the last five episodes before
the US. This has been done before on B5, where some episodes at the end
of one season where shown here first.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:22:42 PDT
From: "Don Trower" <gammablue@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Shopping for vids
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Of limited use but here goes. A shop in Lakeside shopping centre South
Essex is selling all videos at 30 % off including the new B7 videos,
others include Dr Who, Red Dwarf etc.
Called Jonathan Thinner of similar, on the ground floor next at the
Western end of the main hall.
Don.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:26:33 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"space city" <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Fw: computers and fandom
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A friend of mine who is mainly into X-files and Hercules (I think) fandom,
is taking part in a TV-prog (they are proliferating). Not as interesting as
'Lost In Space' but on the subject of the Internet and fandom in general.
>
> August 7th, on Sky's [.tv] channel (which used to be their computer
channel
> - it's only on for a couple of hours a day.) The programme is called
"404:
> Not Found", would you believe!
>
Anyway they have given her advance notice that they are going to ask this
kind of question.
> (1) why do you think sf in general, and trek in particular, has developed
> this thing called fandom - why do people feel the need to do more than
just
> watch the programmes/consume the product
> (2) do you think the net has changed fandom and
> (3) how?
>
> I have my own ideas but, as I said, I'm not a trekker and it's trek in
> particular they're interested in, so I'm just trying to confirm that I'm
> not completely off the wall in what I say.
As you see they are rather boringly concentrating on Star Trek, which she
doesn't know that much about. I know this is rather off-topic, but if
anyone has any thoughts which will help her to frame intelligent replies
then let me know and I'll put you in touch, or post to the list of course.
Alison
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:48:05 EDT
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Happy Endings
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In a message dated 98-07-21 02:45:57 EDT, you write:
<< But I found the
overall tone (feeling) was still of accomplishment. (They found Kylen(?),
won the war, overcame their personal conflicts,...). >>
I didn't get quite the same feel. It seems to me that the creators were
merely trying to end the series by tying off the story threads, while leaving
an ending that they could pick back up on if the series were picked up by
someone. It was a bit forced for me, with our heroes convienantly split up
just in time to meet disparate endings, they introduced an even bigger mystery
without resolving it(the exact relationship of the Chigs to Humans), and to me
anyways, ending with a grim tone with the final scene. And the AMF at the end
of the episode I read as an angry "finger in their face" to the network that
essentially killed the series by its time slot and constant pre-emptions.
D. Rose
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:51:30 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold & B5 on Ch4
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According to Cult Times, these are the B7 episodes being shown on UK
Gold in August, though after they got July all wrong I'm not sure how
accurate they are.
Sat 1 Aug, 9.05am: A8 Duel
Sun 2 Aug, 9.00am: A9 Project Avalon
Sun 9 Aug, 9.05am: A10 Breakdown
Sat 29 Aug, 9.00am: A11 Bounty
Also, no B7 video releases were announced for August, so after Orac and
Redemption any day now, there are no other confirmed dates.
And further to my previous post about Babylon 5 air dates in the UK,
Cult Times says Ch 4 is now going to do the same as the US and not show
the final five episodes until October and November, which means the 17th
episode on 2 and 3 August will be the last in the current run. I rang
Channel 4 to confirm this, and their viewers service said they did not
confirm anything more than two weeks in advance. So I asked how had Cult
Times got that story. They said I should speak to Ch4 press office. I
did and they refused to comment.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:37:43 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Babylon 5 Repeats
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On Mon 20 Jul, Anne Lane wrote:
> According to an ad and listings in August's Cable Guide the Sci-Fi Channel are
> showing Babylon 5 from the beginning, starting 3rd August, every weeknight at 9
> p.m.
>
> Just the right timing for me, as I'm about to register for Redemption but have
> never watched Babylon 5 (because everyone says you have to start at the
> beginning!).
>
> The ad says "Uncut - See it from the beginning for the first time" - I don't
> know what this means.
Channel 4 used to edit for violence etc. and I can recall one episode where the
whole meaning was lost because they edited out a scene of someone injecting
himself with a drug.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:08:17 EDT
From: ShilLance@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Happy Endings
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In a message dated 98-07-21 02:45:57 EDT, David.Henderson@jcu.edu.au writes:
<< Well I guess S:AAB compares in that some of the major players
(in which we care about) are killed / maimed / etc. But I found the
overall tone (feeling) was still of accomplishment. (They found Kylen(?),
won the war, overcame their personal conflicts,...). >>
Actually they didn't win the war, and there was still plenty of personal
conflict and unresolved stuff......
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:19:27 +0100
From: Anne Lane <aplane@tesco.net>
To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Babylon 5 Repeats-on TNT,babe.
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On Tuesday, July 21, 1998 5:41 AM, Edith Spencer [SMTP:sueno45@hotmail.com]
wrote:
>
> To All,
> Dont know where Anne is from ( on this list, one has to considerate
> of the fact that there are people from all over)but it was my
> understanding that B5 was exclusively shown on TNT and TNT satellite.
> You may want to check that out. And as far started at the beginning, I
> got hooked during the middle of season two, so just jmp in- it is
> totally cool.
Many apologies, should have said I was in the UK. Thanks to everyone for their
advice - I shall avoid the film for a while. I guess if they're stripping the
series across the week they'll get through it fairly quickly. I'll just have to
try to keep up, and stock up on blank tapes because 9 p.m. is also when any
decent new programmes get shown on terrestrial TV.
Anne
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:52:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Ray Kaplan <rckaplan@agamemnon.ai.uiuc.edu>
To: Blakes7 List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Babylon 5 Repeats
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Anne Lane wrote:
>Just the right timing for me, as I'm about to register for Redemption but have
>never watched Babylon 5 (because everyone says you have to start at the
>beginning!).
Definitely, but do it in the order of which the episodes were made, not
the pure chronological time line of the story. For the most part it is
the same. I think it is totally the same for the actual series, but I
wouldn't recommend seeing In the Begining, the first B5 movie, first even
though it is the earliest in the story's timeline. It was a good movie,
but it gives away a little too much of the mystery during the first few
seasons if you saw it before seeing at least the first four seasons. (It
was orignially aired between the fourth and fifth seasons in the US.)
_______________________________________________________________
Ray Kaplan CS Major University of Illinois
rckaplan@acm.org Chair of SigVR at ACM@UIUC
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~rckaplan O-
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:20:28 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fw: computers and fandom
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On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 03:26:33PM +0100, Alison Page wrote:
> > (1) why do you think sf in general, and trek in particular, has developed
> > this thing called fandom - why do people feel the need to do more than
> just
> > watch the programmes/consume the product
> > (2) do you think the net has changed fandom and
> > (3) how?
The net didn't create fandom, but the net has allowed more fen, and
more geographically displaced fen, to contact each other. Fandom
isn't just one person sitting isolated in a room writing analyses and
fanfic, fandom is about fans *communicating* with each other. Fen
communicate in different circles, in different media; the net is only
one of these, it just happens to be the most visible one. But there
are fen who still do APAs and newsletters, contribute to fanzines, go
to face-to-face club meetings, or conventions. Some fen do more than
one of these, and some don't. Some fen just go to conventions (and
some of those do see conventions as a "consume the product" kind of
thing, alas; a place where they sit and watch videos, buy fanzines,
listen to GoHs, but don't actually participate except passively.
Alas. They don't know what they're missing.) Some fen never go to
conventions. Some fen never join clubs. And so on.
But I don't think the *fundamental* nature of fandom has changed with
the net, has it?
Thing is, the usual thing when a fan discovers fandom is a "Whew! I'm
not alone!" feeling. Fen are used to mundanes thinking of them as
weird. And maybe that's one reason that fandom is such a close-knit
community; we have all felt alone and isolated, and we make up for
that with a vengeance when we get together. Not so much an "us
against them" thing - because we don't hate mundanes, at *worst* there
is a feeling of contempt, but mostly one of indifference. "Mundanes
just don't understand."
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