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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 220
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history
[B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response
[B7L] Furthermore...
RE: [B7L] Furthermore...
Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response
Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response
[B7L] UK Gold September
Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response
[B7L] Topics to avoid
[B7L] Three Cheers to Calle Dybedahl !!!
books
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:40:08 EDT
From: SuzanThoms@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history
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<< j_macqueen@hotmail.com wrote:
<< I've been downloading several months worth of the archives, but I'm
still only up to 1993. One posting in the second half of the year refers
to "fannish controversies". >>
>>
>> So, privately or publicly, tell me (and anyone else who might feel the
need to know - for future reference, as a way of knowing what topics of
conversation to avoid, whatever). >>
I know I'm new on the list so I probably don't have a right to ask this, but,
if an explanation is offered to Joanne, could it please be done privately?
That was a very sad time in B7 fandom and a discussion of it can only open old
wounds.
Please don't be offended, Joanne, I understand your curiosity and I believe
you have every right to ask the question. It's just that I fear an open
discussion of it will lead to some very bad feelings. I was only fifteen at
the time but I remember how painful the whole thing was.
Thanks
Suzanne
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<< j_macqueen@hotmail.com wrote:
<< I've been downloading several months worth of the archives, but I'm
still only up to 1993. One posting in the second half of the year refers
to "fannish controversies". >>
>>
>> So, privately or publicly, tell me (and anyone else who might feel the
need to know - for future reference, as a way of knowing what topics of
conversation to avoid, whatever). >>
I know I'm new on the list so I probably don't have a right to ask this, but,
if an explanation is offered to Joanne, could it please be done privately?
That was a very sad time in B7 fandom and a discussion of it can only open old
wounds.
Please don't be offended, Joanne, I understand your curiosity and I believe
you have every right to ask the question. It's just that I fear an open
discussion of it will lead to some very bad feelings. I was only fifteen at
the time but I remember how painful the whole thing was.
Thanks
Suzanne
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:42:59 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response
Message-ID: <19980824054300.18785.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Hello, again.
Suzanne said:
>I know I'm new on the list so I probably don't have a right to ask
this,
>but, if an explanation is offered to Joanne, could it please be done
>privately?
So far as I'm concerned, Suzanne, you have every right to ask that this
be done.
>That was a very sad time in B7 fandom and a discussion of it can
>only open old wounds.
Which is why I gave the option of informing me privately. Believe me, I
am aware of the possibility of members of this list having been involved
in, erm, shall we say "intra-tribal skirmishes". If I can get some idea
of what to avoid at all costs, then it's less likely that any tendencies
of mine towards foot in mouth disease will cause problems later on.
Although, I do accept the probability of both feet disappearing down my
own throat simply by having asked the question.
>Please don't be offended, Joanne,
No, I'm not offended at all, but you have highlighted something I
<i>am</i> worried about, even if curiosity overcame fear. It's already
been made clear to me what can happen between two clashing
personalities, let alone two clashing philosophies.
>I understand your curiosity and I believe you have every right to ask
>the question.
Thankyou. I'm grateful for that <smile>
>It's just that I fear an open discussion of it will lead to some very
bad >feelings. I was only fifteen at the time but I remember how
painful the >whole thing was.
A reasonable fear, but I don't know what exactly it is that I'm afraid
of. So, in deference to the feelings of Suzanne, and any one else who
might feel the same way, I'll cut the word "publicly" from my request.
The whole topic is like an open secret: lots of people know, and assume
that you do too, so you end up feeling stupid and ignorant when you ask.
Well, I'm feeling stupid and ignorant right now. But I'm still asking.
If anyone wants to do the electronic equivalent of taking me aside and
imparting their wisdom (seriously! I am in earnest), then I shall be
most grateful to them. If no one wants to, then I shall have put up with
knowing nothing but the occasional dark hint.
Ladies and gentlemen, the ball is in your court. If you want to
countenance my fumbling attempts to play, then thankyou. If not, then I
stay as the spectator who arrived very late and missed a hell of lot of
the best, as well as the worst.
Regards
Joanne
My name is <i>miw</i>, I am a pet
And I am sacred
To Bastet
--Children's activity clue, <i>Life and Death under the Pharaohs</i>
exhibition, the Australian Museum.
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:21:46 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Furthermore...
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...just facts, by the way, or as close to factual as possible. It's the
interpretation of those facts by particular groups/individuals that is
the problem, and that <i>is</b> something to be afraid of, now and ever.
Regards and respect to you all.
Joanne
Here's a good exercise. Place your head between your knees, cover your
face with your hands and rock back and forth slowly, chanting, "Oh my
God".
--Kaz Cooke, "The Little Book of Crap".
______________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:35:20 +0100
From: "Gregory Graham" <greg@geharris.co.uk>
To: "B7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Furthermore...
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Dang! Now you've got me intrigued. Somebody please put us out of our
misery.
-----Gregory Graham-------
Milan@es.co.nz
WARNING: The opinions expressed may not reflect upon reality let alone GE
Harris
-----Original Message-----
From: Joanne MacQueen [mailto:j_macqueen@hotmail.com]
Sent: 24 August 1998 07:22
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Furthermore...
...just facts, by the way, or as close to factual as possible. It's the
interpretation of those facts by particular groups/individuals that is
the problem, and that <i>is</b> something to be afraid of, now and ever.
Regards and respect to you all.
Joanne
Here's a good exercise. Place your head between your knees, cover your
face with your hands and rock back and forth slowly, chanting, "Oh my
God".
--Kaz Cooke, "The Little Book of Crap".
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:34:14 EDT
From: ShilLance@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response
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In a message dated 98-08-24 01:44:59 EDT, j_macqueen@hotmail.com writes:
<< Hello, again.
Suzanne said:
>I know I'm new on the list so I probably don't have a right to ask
this,
>but, if an explanation is offered to Joanne, could it please be done
>privately?
So far as I'm concerned, Suzanne, you have every right to ask that this
be done.
>That was a very sad time in B7 fandom and a discussion of it can
>only open old wounds.
Which is why I gave the option of informing me privately. Believe me, I
am aware of the possibility of members of this list having been involved
in, erm, shall we say "intra-tribal skirmishes". If I can get some idea
of what to avoid at all costs, then it's less likely that any tendencies
of mine towards foot in mouth disease will cause problems later on.
Although, I do accept the probability of both feet disappearing down my
own throat simply by having asked the question.
>Please don't be offended, Joanne,
No, I'm not offended at all, but you have highlighted something I
am worried about, even if curiosity overcame fear. It's already
been made clear to me what can happen between two clashing
personalities, let alone two clashing philosophies.
>I understand your curiosity and I believe you have every right to ask
>the question.
Thankyou. I'm grateful for that <smile>
>It's just that I fear an open discussion of it will lead to some very
bad >feelings. I was only fifteen at the time but I remember how
painful the >whole thing was.
A reasonable fear, but I don't know what exactly it is that I'm afraid
of. So, in deference to the feelings of Suzanne, and any one else who
might feel the same way, I'll cut the word "publicly" from my request.
The whole topic is like an open secret: lots of people know, and assume
that you do too, so you end up feeling stupid and ignorant when you ask.
Well, I'm feeling stupid and ignorant right now. But I'm still asking.
If anyone wants to do the electronic equivalent of taking me aside and
imparting their wisdom (seriously! I am in earnest), then I shall be
most grateful to them. If no one wants to, then I shall have put up with
knowing nothing but the occasional dark hint.
Ladies and gentlemen, the ball is in your court. If you want to
countenance my fumbling attempts to play, then thankyou. If not, then I
stay as the spectator who arrived very late and missed a hell of lot of
the best, as well as the worst.
Regards
Joanne
My name is miw, I am a pet
And I am sacred
To Bastet
--Children's activity clue, Life and Death under the Pharaohs
exhibition, the Australian Museum.
>>
Would someone enlighten me as well?
I'm new to the list and have no idea what these topics to avoid are.
Thanks.
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Date: 24 Aug 1998 14:44:59 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: ShilLance@aol.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response
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ShilLance@aol.com writes:
> Would someone enlighten me as well?
Sure. Don't send 70+ lines of quoted message we've already seen just to
add two lines of your own (and that goes for everyone, not just you).
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:40:27 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] UK Gold September
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According to Cult Times, here are the B7 episodes due on UK Gold in
September:
Sunday 6th, 9.05am: A12 Deliverance
Saturday 12th 9.00am: A13 Orac
Saturday 19th 9.00am: B1 Redemption
Sunday 20th 9.05am: B2 Shadow
Saturday 26th 9.00am: B3 Weapon
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:17:11 EDT
From: ShilLance@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Unearthing "ancient" history: a response to a response
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In a message dated 98-08-24 08:45:21 EDT, you write:
<< ShilLance@aol.com writes:
> Would someone enlighten me as well?
Sure. Don't send 70+ lines of quoted message we've already seen just to
add two lines of your own (and that goes for everyone, not just you).
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
>>
Geez.......sorry...........
I don't post here much and I'm not aware of board etiquette, and I apologize
if my 70 plus lines of quoted message offends you. I lurk on this list a
great deal and don't get the oppurtunity to post much.....your response leads
me to think I was correct in not doing so.
To anyone else interested in informing a newbie, answer in private email.
Thanks.
gwynn
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:38:58 +1000 (EST)
From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list)
Subject: [B7L] Topics to avoid
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Well, we already know that slash is a topic to avoid...
Any of the other topics to avoid, well, they're so obscure that your
best bet is to know absolutely nothing about them; then you won't be
*able* to bring them up at all. Anything else is rather morbid
curiousity. Yes, the initial question was perfectly okay to ask; (and
I've sent her an answer, and it exhausted me, emotionally). What
concerns me is all the other people popping up and saying "I wanna
know too". Look folks, you *don't* want to know. Any more than you
would want large blown-up photos of traffic accident victims
decorating your walls. In this case, ignorance is bliss.
However if you still wish to engage in gossip, all I can do is request
that you do it in private. Ask Joanne. She will hopefully have more
than one version of the events with which to titilate your morbid
curiosity.
Kathryn Andersen
(list geezer)
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but a downcast spirit dries up the bones." Proverbs 17:22
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:38:44 -0700
From: "Doug Lagomarsino" <deltaman@hooked.net>
To: "Blake's 7 Mail List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Three Cheers to Calle Dybedahl !!!
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Three cheers to:
> Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
> qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
>
>
Thank you for running the mail list.
It runs pretty darn smoothly (the software that is,
not the content ;)
Doug Lagomarsino
deltaman@hooked.net
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:05:49 +0100
From: Chris <cas.elphick@cableol.co.uk>
To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
Subject: books
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Hi, I'm new to this list. I have got a few books about Blake's 7
but what I am really looking for are the early novels. Can
anyone help me?
Chris.
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