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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 221
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Heartsick
[B7L] Re: Topics to avoid
[B7L] Re: Topics to Avoid
Re: [B7L] Re: Topics to Avoid
[B7L] Speaking of Cons..
[B7L] Full Frontal
[B7L] Re: a response to a response
[B7L] test
Re: [B7L] books
Re: [B7L] Re: a response to a response
[B7L] re: susan thomas?
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:59:15 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Heartsick
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Dear all,
Kathryn is quite right. Ignorance *is* bliss in this case.
I have two versions of the events in question, but Kathryn's is the most
comprehensive of the two, involving scanned copy of material generated
by both parties. That's as impartial as is humanly possible, just as I
asked. The result...well, I feel like a traffic accident victim:
shocked, wounded (I wish I knew where, so I could try doing something
about it), and uncertain of what's happened to me, and inclined towards
tears. But since I asked the question, *I* have to put up with it.
If you *must* ask me, be warned. As Kathryn has indicated, it is not
pretty, and it horrifies me.
Regards
Joanne
(looking for something other than chocolate to make her heart cheerful)
...It's hardly worth debating, the people are frustrated
Drink from poisoned cup
The system is collapsing, conscience is relapsing
The damage has been done.
--Powderfinger, "The Day You Come"
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 98 06:39:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Topics to avoid
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What I'd recommend for any curious newcomers is: look for
=original= issues (not reprints) of Horizon newsletters #22 (June
1989) and #23 (December 1989). Each of them had a pullout center
section on "The Controversy in Blake's Seven Fandom" with numerous
letters from both sides. Naturally, there's a certain bias toward
the club's own position, but you can still get a fair idea of what
was going on.
Most of the copies of the old newsletters have had the pullouts
pulled out and thrown away, but you can still find intact ones if
you shop around at cons and used zine sales.
I was not in the fandom at the time, but I gather that the other
big issue, besides slash, was a proposal for a series of
professional, commercial, for-profit B7 conventions (you know, like
Creation cons and that sort of thing). A lot of people were
afraid, whether rightly or wrongly, that those would conflict with
the fan-run, nonprofit cons, and there was quite a nasty dustup over it.
Personally, I think that the idea was probably never financially
feasible in the first place (since B7, much as we love it, simply
hasn't got the same huge number of followers as Trek or Dr. Who),
and in any case, it never happened. Which in retrospect makes all
the unpleasantness seem rather sadly futile.
I would not recommend asking oldtime fans about it-- having done
that very thing a few years ago when I was an innocent newbie
myself, and regretting it. It seems that just about anybody who
was close enough to events at the time to actually know much about
it still feels queasy about the whole thing, even after nearly ten
years.
Sarah T.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:12:29 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Topics to Avoid
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Kathryn said: "Well, we already know that slash is a topic to avoid..."
Yes and no. For those who don't know, there is another B7 mailing list
called Space City with a lot of fan fiction on it, most though not all
of which includes often explicit adult relationships between characters.
Homosexual relationships stories (known as slash) are common and those
who are not offended by that can have a good time over there in an
atrmosphere that welcomes discussions on these subjects.
However, slash is a subject that can also be discussed on this list. As
far as I'm aware there are no banned subjects on this list (Space City
does have rules about flaming and stirring, both of which are not
allowed over there). This means that people can discuss slash or even
post slash stories on this list (Lysator). It also means that people who
find that type of thing offensive can also post their views. Done
properly the discussion could be quite interesting, but it runs the
danger, because strong feelings are involved, of getting quite nasty. I
wasn't around during the great slash war that led to Space City being
created but as some know we have had some other strong arguments that I
have been involved in here, which is why there is a third B7 list called
the Spin List. This is for where a thread goes well off topic and is
boring those who are not interested. You also get some general fun
discussions over there that are not B7 related.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: 26 Aug 1998 10:24:21 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Topics to Avoid
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Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> writes:
> I wasn't around during the great slash war that led to Space City
> being created
Space City got created not so much because of a single slash/nonslash
flamefest, but because it had been a recurring flamewar since the list
started. So if someone wants to discuss that sort of thing here,
please be careful. It *will* cause bad feelings in someone or other.
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:39:42 +0100
From: "Gregory Graham" <greg@geharris.co.uk>
To: "B7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Speaking of Cons..
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What B7/SF cons are coming up in the UK. I know of Redemption but are there
others?
-----Gregory Graham-------
Milan@es.co.nz
WARNING: The opinions expressed may not reflect upon reality let alone GE
Harris
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:11:36 -0700
From: "Ann Basart" <abasart@dnai.com>
To: "Blake's7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Full Frontal
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Perhaps you've all read this mystery by now, but I'm just catching up with
it: Barbara Paul's "Full Frontal Murder," in which one of the principal
characters (Holland) is very much Avon, and most of the secondary
characters are named after people or even places in B7. Neatly done, and
dedicated to "the Avon-Without-Guilt gang." Published in the US by
WorldWide Library, and dated September 1998. Lotsa fun.
Ann
Ann Basart
abasart@dnai.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:05:43 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: a response to a response
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ShilLance (though haven't you another name, something like Gwyn?) said:
>I lurk on this list a great deal and don't get
>the opportunity to post much.....your response
>leads me to think I was correct in not doing so.
You're misinterpreting - we want you to post, as (unless I'm muddling you
with someone else, see above) you post some Interesting Remarks; it's just
the 70 lines of quotes that are irritating. Doesn't your software allow
you to snip the bits that aren't strictly relevant?
Possibly we should remind those list-members living in countries with free
local phone calls that some of us live in countries which don't have free
local phone calls, so longer messages mean longer phone calls mean more
expense...
Harriet
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:12:47 +0100
From: Chris <cas.elphick@cableol.co.uk>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] test
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:19:54 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: Chris <cas.elphick@cableol.co.uk>, blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] books
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At 23:05 25/08/98 +0100, Chris wrote:
>Hi, I'm new to this list. I have got a few books about Blake's 7
>but what I am really looking for are the early novels. Can
>anyone help me?
There are some novels available (signed) in the Horizon charity auction.
Check out the Horizon website under "News" for details.
<http://www.horizon.org.uk>
Judith
J.M. Rolls
jager@clara.net
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:20:25 EDT
From: ShilLance@aol.com
To: 101637.2064@compuserve.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: a response to a response
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In a message dated 98-08-26 13:10:11 EDT, 101637.2064@compuserve.com writes:
<< I lurk on this list a great deal and don't get
>the opportunity to post much.....your response
>leads me to think I was correct in not doing so.
You're misinterpreting - we want you to post, as (unless I'm muddling you
with someone else, see above) you post some Interesting Remarks; it's just
the 70 lines of quotes that are irritating. Doesn't your software allow
you to snip the bits that aren't strictly relevant?
Possibly we should remind those list-members living in countries with free
local phone calls that some of us live in countries which don't have free
local phone calls, so longer messages mean longer phone calls mean more
expense... >>
I didn't know. And lurking does a seem a bit more safe. And my local phone
calls are at a set rate.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:14:04 +0100
From: Chris <cas.elphick@cableol.co.uk>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] re: susan thomas?
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can anyone please tell me about this also.
thanks
chris
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