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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 232

Today's Topics:
	 [B7L] Bilge water
	 [B7L] Uses of teeth?
	 [B7L] RE: Tarrant Nostra baiting
	 [B7L] disability
	 Re: [B7L] RE: Tarrant Nostra baiting
	 [B7L] meegat story
	 Re: [B7L] disability
	 RE: [B7L] disability
	 RE: [B7L] disability
	 Re: [B7L] disability
	 RE: [B7L] disability
	 Re: [B7L] disability
	 Re: [B7l] disability
	 [B7L] Baconisms
	 RE: [B7L] disability
	 [B7L] Uses of teeth?
	 [B7L] Re: The Rebellion
	 [B7L] Food for Thought
	 [B7L] web page updates

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:17:30 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Bilge water
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So, now that we've been warned to be on our guard for the next six 
months...Nicola says:
>Here's a scheme: Government puts insidious mind control substance >in 
water supply; Rebel cell find out, but can't make antidote for some 
>sabotage purification plant [material deleted] Govt get piped water 
>drinkable, but rebels have countered their Nefarious Plan. Round 1 >to 
our team ;) Next phase - add antidote to piped water.

I see. So the source of contamination isn't Warragamba dam, or the 
Prospect treatment works, or any other part of the system. Instead, we 
must look for revolutionaries, wherever they are. The Upper Avon dam 
might be a good place to start looking...yes? No?

I agree with the other Joanne, by the way. The catchment area for the 
Hunter Valley would have much the same problems, and I don't think 
there's been a problem of this sort in Newcastle and its surrounds for 
at least as long as I can remember. We just have earthquakes every sixty 
years or so (long enough for people to forget the possibility of it ever 
happening again).

Regards
Joanne

Posture is important. Always pretend you've got a broomstick up your 
pooter.
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:26:06 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Me, then Nicola:
>>Umm. I thought so. <chuckle> Not that I want to know what it is, do 
>>I?
>Not in front of the children ; )

Actually, I think you're beginning to be greedy, Nicola. I'm prepared to 
stand well back - as might be safer when the more fanatical Avonites 
work out what you might have in mind (several kilometres back!)

Regards
Joanne

You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
--Francis Urquhart.

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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 22:33:39 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] RE: Tarrant Nostra baiting
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fifitrix said:
>Watch it you lot! - We have attack bases in Europe as well as the >US 
you know!!

Are you sure there isn't one in Sydney? Wouldn't have to go looking for 
rebel hideaways in that case!

Regards
Joanne

Some men keep their word because no one else will take it.
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:19:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] disability
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I was listening to the radio today and the programme was discussing the fact
that TV/movie characters who are maimed or scarred are frequently the villains.

How much does this hold true for Blake's 7?

Travis with his eyepatch and artificial arm was a villain.  

Hal Mellanby was blind, but had glasses rather than an eyepatch so was not
disfigured per se.

Dev Tarrant limped and was a villain.

Blake acquired a scar which emphasied his moral ambiguity in the last episode.

Forbus (the inventor of Pylene 50) was in a wheelchair and I guess counts as a
godo guy as he certainly hadn't wanted Pylene 50 to be used in the way it was.

Colonel Quute (Traitor) has an eyepatch and is a bad guy.

The Lost (The Web) were represented by a rather ugly homonculus and were bad
guys.

I'd say disfigurement is currently on the side of the bad guys with the
exception of Forbus (and possibly Blake).  Anyone care to add extra examples to
tip the balance in either direction?

Judith
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:29:19 +1000
From: "Katrina Harkess" <kharkess@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: "B7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: Tarrant Nostra baiting
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> fifitrix said:
> >Watch it you lot! - We have attack bases in Europe as well as the >US 
> you know!!
> 
> Are you sure there isn't one in Sydney? Wouldn't have to go looking for 
> rebel hideaways in that case!
> 
Of course there is - I'm in Sydney! [If they will have me after all. :P]

Katrina.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:34:27 +1000
From: "Katrina Harkess" <kharkess@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: "B7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] meegat story
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I've loved almost *every* *single* *one* of the stories passing through my
mailbox this weekend [and yes, I do have one more to send when I manage to
finish it.]
But the untitled Meegat really really stood out. *shiver* Absolutely
delicious. More please??

Katrina.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:30:22 +0100
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] disability
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Judith said:
>I'd say disfigurement is currently on the side of the bad guys with the
>exception of Forbus (and possibly Blake).  Anyone care to add extra
examples to
>tip the balance in either direction?


Moloch was a pretty ugly critter, although he's non-humanoid, so does that
count?

Heather.

'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:27:52 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "'Judith Proctor'" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>,
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In star one Avon commented that it was a good thing the (very ugly) aliens were their enemies, because they'd be hard to love. Does that count?

Jacqueline

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:37:40 +0100
From: "Gregory Graham" <greg@geharris.co.uk>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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heather said
>Moloch was a pretty ugly critter, although he's non-humanoid, so does that
>count?

Probably, I think the theory goes "Bad guys are nasty, therefore all things
nasty are bad guys".  Similar to the cowboy maxim, "Bad guys wear black".
Avon fans will undoubtedly agree.

Unfortunately, it's a grotesque generalisation used throughout literature
and entertainment.  Think of the hideously scarred Phantom and the STOS
klingons.  Notice how the Klingons have got cuter as they have integrated
into Star Trek.

What I want to know is just how beautiful Servalan would have become had she
run away with Avon?

-----Gregory Graham-------
                                   Milan@es.co.nz||greg@geharris.co.uk
WARNING: The opinions expressed may not reflect upon reality let alone GE
Harris

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:07:24 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] disability
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On Tue 08 Sep, Heather Smith wrote:
> Judith said:
> >I'd say disfigurement is currently on the side of the bad guys with the
> >exception of Forbus (and possibly Blake).  Anyone care to add extra
> examples to
> >tip the balance in either direction?
> 
> 
> Moloch was a pretty ugly critter, although he's non-humanoid, so does that
> count?

But he was humanoid - a computer's prediction of what humanity would evolve
into.  I guess that's another score for the bad guys as he was an ugly human
rather than an ugly alien.

(Moloch also goes to show that the links were not the only possible future -
evolotion is drivenm by environment)

Judith

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:13:31 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] disability
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On Tue 08 Sep, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
> In star one Avon commented that it was a good thing the (very ugly) aliens were their 
> enemies, because they'd be hard to love. Does that count?

I'll arbitarily disqualify aliens, although it's interesting that most aliens
are extremely ugly.

I'm really interested in the way the media portrays people with disabilties.  As
diabled actors complain - whenever someone wins an oscar for portraying a
disabled person - they're always played by an able-bodied actor.

With very rare exceptions (eg. the elephant man) ugly/disfigured people are bad
guys.  The rationale generally being that their disfigurement has led to them
being rejeted and has warped their personality, etc.  eg. Travis chose not to
have his eye fixed up - it reminded him of his hate.

The only disabled character played by a disabled actor who is really shown in a
positive light that I can think of right now is Lifeguard in Wiseguy.  (both
legs amputated)

Judith

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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: 08 Sep 1998 21:14:40 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] disability
Message-ID: <usg1e21knz.fsf@sally.lysator.liu.se>

Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes:

> With very rare exceptions (eg. the elephant man) ugly/disfigured
> people are bad guys.

Vincent in "Beauty and the Beast" (TV series, not Disney movie) would
be another exception, I guess.

> The only disabled character played by a disabled actor who is really
> shown in a positive light that I can think of right now is Lifeguard
> in Wiseguy. (both legs amputated)

There is/was a series about a mute and/or deaf female lawyer. I
happened to catch it a few times on Swedish TV but can't remember what
it was called.
-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
	   "I think quotes are very dangerous things." -- KaTe Bush

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:20:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Susan.Moore@uni.edu
To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7l] disability
Message-id: <01J1KCT4QXYE8WW46D@uni.edu>

Judith spake thusly:

> The only disabled character played by a disabled actor who is really shown 
> in a positive light that I can think of right now is Lifeguard in Wiseguy.  
> (both legs amputated)

Of course, the same actor plays Joe Dawson in Highlander, and he's a mostly
positive guy.

Susan M.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:22:10 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "Space City" <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Baconisms
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I got bored at work and stumbled across a neat (scary?) resource that uses
the Internet Movie Database to link actors to Kevin Bacon via movies.

I ran a few of the Blake's 7 crew throught this and came up with the
following results:

--Thomas, Gareth has a Bacon number of 2:

Thomas, Gareth was in Waterland (1992) with Thomas, Rohn
Thomas, Rohn was in Telling Lies in America (1997) with Bacon, Kevin

--Pacey, Steven has a Bacon number of 2:

Pacey, Steven was in Aces High (1976) with McCarthy, Kevin
McCarthy, Kevin was in Hero At Large (1980) with Bacon, Kevin

--Simon, Josette has a Bacon number of 2:

Simon, Josette was in Milk and Honey (1995) with Ward, Lyman
Ward, Lyman was in Planes, Trains & Automobiles (1987) with Bacon, Kevin

--Pearce, Jacqueline has a Bacon number of 2:

Pearce, Jacqueline was in Princess Caraboo (1994) with Lithgow, John
Lithgow, John was in Footloose (1984) with Bacon, Kevin

--Croucher, Brian has a Bacon number of 2:

Croucher, Brian was in Scrubbers (1983) with Margolyes, Miriam
Margolyes, Miriam was in Balto (1995) with Bacon, Kevin

--Darrow, Paul has a Bacon number of 3:

Darrow, Paul was in Long Ago Tomorrow (1971) with McDowell, Malcolm
McDowell, Malcolm was in Player, The (1992) with Roberts, Julia
Roberts, Julia was in Flatliners (1990) with Bacon, Kevin


--Keating, Michael (I) has a Bacon number of 3:

Keating, Michael (I) was in Julius Caesar (1970) with Heston, Charlton
Heston, Charlton was in True Lies (1994) with Curtis, Jamie Lee
Curtis, Jamie Lee was in Queens Logic (1991) with Bacon, Kevin

--Barber, Glynis has a Bacon number of 3:

Barber, Glynis was in D�j� Vu (1997) with Redgrave, Vanessa
Redgrave, Vanessa was in Mother's Boys (1993) with Curtis, Jamie Lee
Curtis, Jamie Lee was in Queens Logic (1991) with Bacon, Kevin

--Greif, Stephen has a Bacon number of 3:

Greif, Stephen was in Leon the Pig Farmer (1992) with Whitman, Peter
Whitman, Peter was in Little Shop of Horrors (1986) with Martin, Steve
Martin, Steve was in Planes, Trains & Automobiles (1987) with Bacon, Kevin

--Jackson, David (II) has a Bacon number of 3:

Jackson, David (II) was in 10 Rillington Place (1971) with Gardner, Jimmy
Gardner, Jimmy was in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (1991) with Costner,
Kevin
Costner, Kevin was in JFK (1991) with Bacon, Kevin

--Knyvette, Sally has a Bacon number of Infinity:

Knyvette, Sally can't be linked to Bacon, Kevin using only feature films

.--Chappell, Jan has a Bacon number of Infinity:

Chappell, Jan can't be linked to Bacon, Kevin using only feature films.

--Tuddenham, Peter has a Bacon number of Infinity:

Tuddenham, Peter can't be linked to Bacon, Kevin using only feature films.

What any of this means...?  I'll have to think about that one.  Ideas,
anyone?

Reuben
http://www.reuben.net/blake/

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:53:46 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] disability
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Greg:
>Probably, I think the theory goes "Bad guys are nasty, therefore all things
>nasty are bad guys".  Similar to the cowboy maxim, "Bad guys wear black".
>Avon fans will undoubtedly agree.

Avon's not bad, he's just dressed that way ;)
But seriously, I think the costumes do generate a sort of bad-boy mystique
around the character. If they'd dressed him in a toga, it just wouldn't be
the same. Intriguing, though...

>Unfortunately, it's a grotesque generalisation used throughout literature
>and entertainment.  Think of the hideously scarred Phantom and the STOS
>klingons.  Notice how the Klingons have got cuter as they have integrated
>into Star Trek.

I've frequently noticed the more aggressive and anti-Federation Klingons
have worse teeth. Worf is almost a toothpaste commercial by comparison.

>What I want to know is just how beautiful Servalan would have become had she
>run away with Avon?

She's definitely a data point against the "ugly=bad" hypothesis!
ttfn, Nicola

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56 sleeps!

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:41:13 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Uses of teeth?
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After working out my nefarious plan for Avon, Joanne commented:

>Actually, I think you're beginning to be greedy, Nicola. I'm prepared to
>stand well back - as might be safer when the more fanatical Avonites
>work out what you might have in mind (several kilometres back!)

[leisurely, feline stretch]
Oh, I'm finished with him now. Open slather, folks ;)
ttfn, Nicola

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56 sleeps!

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:44:42 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: The Rebellion
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Pat asked: "can anyone remember any more either incidents, mentions, or
rebels?"

How about Hal Melanby
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson

Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
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http://www.smof.com/redemption/

"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:26:41 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Food for Thought
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Hi.  It's Tiger M again.  
    I wonder what would have happened if Blake had succeeded in overthrowing
the Federation.  Would things have improved or would there have been a period
of chaos and anarchy first, like the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe
are dealing with now?  Overthrowing an oppressive government is one thing, but
setting up a viable new society is something much harder (anyone remember the
Articles of Confederation?  If you are American, you should).  I could very
easily see the Terra Nostra move into the power vacuum left by the Federation
government, just as the Russian Mafia has done.  What makes the Russian Mafia
even scarier is that many of them are former KGB.
    Also, all those Federation troops, spies, torturers, informers, etc. are
not going to simply cease to exist.  Many of them may disappear for a while,
but they will still be lurking in the shadows.  Many of the Nazi scientists
who worked on the V2 and atomic projects went to work for the American and
Soviet space and defense programs.  We're still hunting down those who were
involved in the death camps fifty years later.  
    How would Blake have handled these problems?  What would he do about the
torturers, etc.?  Would he be a Nelson Mandela or a Boris Yeltsin?

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:15:51 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] web page updates
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Various recent updates on the web page. http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7   Recent
cast news, several new filks, more essays, major updates on ordering overseas
zines (I can now get a large number of American zines in fandoms other than
Blake's 7), the latest Avon club zines and merchandise, and a new Liberator pic
in the gallery.


Judith
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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