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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 238
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Unsubscribing
[B7L] Animal farms
RE: [B7L] Weasel words
Re: [B7L] Weasel words
[B7L] Re: Novel by Trevor Hoyle
Re: [B7L] Re: Novel by Trevor Hoyle
[B7L] Re: The Crucible
Re: [B7L] Animal farms
Re: [B7L] Animal farms
[B7L] Video releases
Re: [B7L] Video releases
[B7L] Blake stuff
[B7L] zines to Australia
[B7L]
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Date: 15 Sep 1998 08:46:04 +1000
From: "Allison Aylward" <Allison_Aylward@uow.edu.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Unsubscribing
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Could someone please help me with unsubscribing from this list. I'm going away
for 6 months and will not have access to email. I don't seem to be having any
luck finding the commands.
Thanks
Allison Aylward@uow.edu.au
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:59:48 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Animal farms
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Hello.
1) What Suzanne needs is a cloning facility. I'm sure I read something
in the digests at the FTP site about clones, particularly Avon ones.
2) Gail, so far as I can see, Blake needed a reason to attack an
individual or group. The goose that made me nervous around other geese
did not (vicious, extra-territorial beast that it was). Therefore, I
don't see any significance in hating geese, but if you do, let me know.
3) Alison, has anyone of the Tarrant Nostra persuasion made note of how
interesting that John Clare quote would be to them? Either that or
there's been a glitch in receiving the digest and it doesn't actually
say what is printed out in front of me.
Regards
Joanne
It is little details like this - and the string from which the fearful
vampire dangles - that really *make* a horror film, and qualifies
it for the high honour of a Duff Oscar.
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:19:04 +0100
From: Anne Lane <aplane@tesco.net>
To: "'B7'" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Weasel words
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This is very good - all very apt. Could the skunk be the guy (sorry, mind like
a sieve)
in Shadow? Can't think of anyone playful enough for an otter.
Badgers are my favourite animal, though I didn't know they were related to
stoats and weasels, almost my entire knowledge of which is based on The Wind In
The Willows!. Badgers also have strong family/group bonds and hold funerals for
Very Important Badgers.
Anne
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:10:59 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
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I haven't thought of anyone for the otter, but I think Zukan makes a good
polecat.
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 02:43:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Novel by Trevor Hoyle
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Patrick Bean said of =Terry Nation's Blake's Seven: Their First Adventure=:
>I have just got hold of a copy of this book, it tells the story of the
>first 4 episodes in a lot of detail. Some dialog is not quite the same,
>this leads me to wonder if it was written from the early scripts before
>they were cut down to fit the episodes time limits. The descriptions of the
>characters personalities is spot on. However that of the scenery is not,
>for example the teleport is described as having individual cylinders within
>it.
And furthermore, the =appearance= of the characters is not accurately
described! From p. 65:
"'It's very simple,' said Kerr Avon, who spoke with such knowing authority
that Blake looked up, rather surprised, He saw a man with large pale eyes
and a high domed forehead, who at a guess was somewhere in his thirties."
Avon as homely, geeky nerd, LOL! This must have been written before the
casting was done, or indeed, as you point out, before the sets were designed.
The dialogue was spiffed up, too, by the time it was actually filmed.
Really, I think it had much to do with the eccentric charm of the show that
in the end they went against perceptions of type and cast a handsome and
rather flamboyant actor as the computer geek. But then, as you know, I'm a
shameless Avon fan. :)
Sarah T.
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:55:51 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Novel by Trevor Hoyle
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s.thompson8@genie.com wrote:
>Avon as homely, geeky nerd, LOL! This must have been written before the
>casting was done, or indeed, as you point out, before the sets were designed.
And Vila was described as a small, ugly man, looking like a "gargoyle", as
I recall, and Jenna was a brunette.
- Lisa
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:27:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Re: The Crucible
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On Sun 13 Sep, Steve Rogerson wrote:
> Paula has checked it out and confirmed that the pub is called the
> Partridge. What time do people think we should meet.
I vote for around 5pm. Gives us a couple of hours to have a good chat and
allows a good margin of error in case of rail delays etc.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:14:03 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animal farms
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Joanne said -
> Alison, has anyone of the Tarrant Nostra persuasion made note of how
> interesting that John Clare quote would be to them? Either that or
> there's been a glitch in receiving the digest and it doesn't actually
> say what is printed out in front of me.
heh heh I thought so too
I think when John Clare said 'long shagged' he meant 'with long bushy hair'
which is also appropriate to Tarrant of course
Alison
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:49:21 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
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Alison wrote:
> Joanne said -
>
> > Alison, has anyone of the Tarrant Nostra persuasion made note of how
> > interesting that John Clare quote would be to them?
<snip>
> heh heh I thought so too
>
> I think when John Clare said 'long shagged' he meant 'with long bushy hair'
> which is also appropriate to Tarrant of course
Since there seems to be interest... <g> I thought I'd share my initial
reaction to the post.
What you all may not realize is that when your favorite character is fandom's
chief whipping boy you expect the worst.
As I scanned down the list of Mustelidae entries I was cringing in
anticipation of what horrible fate awaited Tarrant. So my first reaction was
one of relief: "at least he wasn't assigned the skunk." My next reaction was
realization that given the origin of the post--England--both meanings of
"shag" were probably intended to apply to Tarrant.
("Shag" for *that* meaning isn't common over here.) Which I thought was cute.
:) At which point I was left content and didn't feel the need to comment,
though I did save the post in case something clever or appropriate occurred to
me down the road.
I've been enjoying the animal discussions, but I've not come up with anything
to contribute to them.
Carol Mc
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:05:45 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
cc: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Video releases
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Well, I hold the next 2 in my grubby paws (well, not while I'm typing, but
you get the picture).
Took a while to persuade the person in HMV that I hadn't ordered
*episodes* 9 and 10, I'd ordered *tapes* 8 and 9!!
'There should be 2 of them!'
'Yes, there are 2 on every tape!'
<Sound of head thumping on counter...>
And it's going to build up to a nice piccie of the Liberator.
I'm just so pleased that I'm able to get hold of these so easily after all
the grief so far...
Una
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:31:16 -0700
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
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>Took a while to persuade the person in HMV that I hadn't ordered
>*episodes* 9 and 10, I'd ordered *tapes* 8 and 9!!
>
>'There should be 2 of them!'
>'Yes, there are 2 on every tape!'
><Sound of head thumping on counter...>
Reminds me of when I was in England. I was waiting in HMV to pay for a
couple of tapes (non-B7) and the guy in front of me was asking if all the
B7 tapes had been released at once. The salesperson was looking in her
computer and umming and ahhing. I butted in saying no they were being
released a couple every month. Me and this guy then got into a nice
conversation about B7.
What amazes me though is that he wanted to buy the whole series at once! He
was also wondering if they were on DVD, to which I said *Right!*.
Jay
100%Avon
PS Thanking for reminding me of this little encounter.
>
>And it's going to build up to a nice piccie of the Liberator.
>
>I'm just so pleased that I'm able to get hold of these so easily after all
>the grief so far...
>
>
>Una
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:10:10 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Blake stuff
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On Mon 14 Sep, Rob Clother wrote:
> Moving away from the topic of toothy simpletons, I'd like to express my
> appreciation for Blake's defenders. The boss does have his fans out
> there, amidst all the Avon and Tarrant hype.
He does indeed. <smile> Actually, over time you get to appreciate more of the
characters. I'd probably be able to pitch a good defence for most of them if I
had to.
>
> However, regardless of whether Blake's ruthless streak is good or bad,
> it is there. And it's impossible to deny that he became more desperate
> and more driven during the second season. It's difficult to maintain
> that he wasn't a broken man by the time of Gauda Prime.
I certainly wouldn't deny its existence. It never bothers me because Avon
developed an equally ruthless streak. (Stardrive and Orbit instantly come to
mind). If people don't mind it in Avon, why should I assume they mind it in
Blake? They were both complex characters and you can only understand them
properly if you see their character from all sides. If you don't accept the
rough along with the smooth, then you're only fooling yourself.
>
> If someone spends years fighting against near impossible odds, and he
> becomes hard-edged, cynical and autocratic, finally dying for what he
> believes in, I don't see how that reflects badly on him. In fact, it
> does Blake little justice to suggest that he didn't lose some of his
> ability to judge people and situations. He paid a heavy price for his
> early victories against the Federation. Surely it is a tribute to the
> man that he was prepared to pay such a price.
It's a very interesting area. One of the things that I find interesting about
Blake is the prices he was forced to pay. Film/TV heroes are so often allowed
to win their fights without ever having to face compromise in their personal
ethics. Blake is unusual in that he was forced into a situation where the
perfect knight in shining armour simply wasn't going to win.
Avon was gradually forced along a similar path, although the effect on their
personalities was not identical (as one might expect given their different
natures to begin with)
Judith
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:57:43 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] zines to Australia
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Pat Fenech has checked out Australian postage rates for me. They're a bit more
expensive than UK rates - due to the size of the country I'd guess.
If anyone wants Richard to bring zines over for them, the most expensive zine is
at my normal European price (that's to cover the higher postage). All
subsequent zines to the same address will be at my UK price.
Let Pat know what you want and she'll tell me. Use an exchange rate of 2.8 Aus
dollars to the pound to do your sums.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:29:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: B7 Main List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]
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I can hear the collective moan now, but can someone tell me how to
subscribe to the Space City list? Also instructions on how to
unsubscribe, since it was so difficult for me last time I had to go home
for the summer. Hey, maybe someone even has the URL for the Space City
web instruction page....that would be great, then I can add it to my web
page. I can't seem to find it anywhere.....
[fumbles clumsily through the recesses of her mind]
--Grace
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