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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 242
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Re Discworld Con
Re: [B7L] Re Discworld Con
Re: [B7L] TVGuide
[B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters
Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo
[B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo
Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo
[B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo
Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo
Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters
Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters
[B7L] Please excuse the doggerel (I'll be back in my right mind shortly)
Re: [B7L] Please excuse the doggerel (I'll be back in my right mind shortly)
Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters
[B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:01:52 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
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Back from Dublin, via Sussex, to discover a bout of masochistic violence in
progress:
>>Jackie
> >(now looking for the nearest brick wall to bash my head against)
>
> Don't fret, Jackie, I feel entirely the same way!
>
> --Grace
>
> [Echoes loudly DAMN! and BLAST! and looks along with her for a brick wall
> to bash her head against.]<
It's an old wall. It waits.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:40:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
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>> [Echoes loudly DAMN! and BLAST! and looks along with her for a brick
wall
>> to bash her head against.]<
>It's an old wall. It waits.
>Harriet
Hehehe!! Good reply!! I'll say hi to Servalan for you.
--Grace
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:44:45 -0700
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
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Jay wrote:
> I would like to get a "TV Guide synopsis" for all 52 eps and put them on my
> website. Please add or make suggestions for improvement.
Ideally, the blurbs should tease, and not give away the ending.
>
> Deliverance�..Avon discovers an admirer
Avon gets religion
> Trial���.Blake travels to save an adversary
An older woman takes an interest in Blake - sending Jenna up a tree!
> Gambit��..Avon and Vila play games
Vila risks all at the galaxy's top casino
> Aftermath...Avon and Servalan share a tender moment
Avon gets a job offer that sounds too good to be true!
> Children of Auron��.Servalan becomes a mum
Servalan faces a painful choice between family and career.
> Rumours of Death��Avon and crew thwart a plot to overthrow Servalan
Avon gets the chance to settle an old score.
> Terminal�..Season Finale: the Liberator goes out with a bang.
Avon abandons ship.
> Orbit��..Avon and Vila share differing points of view
Avon turns to Orac for advice on a difficult decision.
> Blake��Series Finale: Avon and crew are reunited with an old friend
The Scorpio crew look forward to some long-overdue shore leave.
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 04:52:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
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Subject: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters
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Just for fun, here are all the authors from my current list of gen
stories who have written 10 or more stories each (counting
collaborations separately for each author) published in paper
zines. There are 93 names altogether. I'm still missing a few
multimedia zines and older zines (does anyone have =Spacefall=
#6??), but this list includes complete runs of pretty much all the
major zines, so it's fairly representative.
The number in front is the number of stories I counted for each
author (without regard to length; a novel counts the same as a
short-short, one title). Warning-- I didn't check my figures
carefully, so I may well have miscounted occasionally. But this
should be approximately accurate.
It probably won't surprise anyone that the remarkable Sheila
Paulson is the most prolific B7 fan writer of all. And she's so
good! Many people would rate her as one of their favorites, maybe
even their very favorite. Furthermore, she has the distinction of
being the only writer I know of who has been published in all five
of the countries that have ever, to my knowledge, published B7
zines (U.K., U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand).
10 Susan Clarke
10 Rebecca Donahue
10 Cheufell Doshier
10 Wendy Ingle
10 Jane Mailander
10 Margaret Martin
10 Deborah Millitello
10 Monica Mitchell
10 Mary Moulden
10 Julie A. Nowak
10 Judith Rolls
11 Peggy Hartsook
11 Helen Pitt
11 Sandra [Lyons] Van Densen
12 Neil Faulkner
12 Paulie Kay
12 Susan Matthews
12 Mary Morris
12 Jennifer Smallwood
12 Deborah M. Walsh
12 Kim Wigmore
12 Sheila Willis
12 K. Ann Yost
13 Ana Dorfstad
13 Celeste Hotaling-Lyons
13 Bryn Lantry
13 Susanne [McGhin] [Tilley] Katz (many more if Hellhound series
is counted by story rather than by book)
13 Adrian Morgan
13 Cindy Rancourt
13 Rebecca Reeves
13 C. K. Smith
13 Sue Williams
14 Ruth Berman
14 Yvonne Hintz
14 Catherine Kendall
14 Patti E. McClellan
14 Brendan O'Cullane
14 Mary Alice Wuerz
15 Venessa Kelly
16 Jeanne DeVore
16 Narrelle Harris
16 Mary Robertson
17 Diana Smith
17 Katrina [Snyder] Larkin (many more if Hellhound series is
counted by story rather than by book)
17 Michelle Moyer
17 Lindsey Jane Shelton
17 Sheila Tracy
17 Janet Walker
18 Pat Dunn
18 Jill Grundfest
18 Tim Pieraccini
18 Roxie Ray
19 Rebecca Ann Brothers
19 Brenda Callagher
19 Candra Danesen
19 Sandy Hall
19 Alan Moravian
19 Margaret Scroggs
19 K. Rae Travers
20 Jeff Morris
21 Gail Neville
21 Judith Proctor
21 Linda Terrell
21 Virginia Turpin
23 Susan Barrett Riaz
23 Barbara Wakely
24 Jean B. Hubb
24 Susan J. King
24 Marian Mendez
26 Daniel Bowden (these are all the "Brake's Even" comics in the
Avon Club Newsletter)
28 Nikki White
29 Linda Knights
31 Carol McCoy
33 April Giordano-Grisalfi
33 Irene Stubbs
33 Teresa Ward
36 Dee Beetem
38 CarolMel Ambassador
38 Jean Graham
38 Helen Parkinson
40 Kathy Hintze
41 Mary Gerstner
41 Ros Williams
43 Sophia R. Mulvey
46 Lorna Breshears
47 Vickie McManus
48 Moira Dahlberg
49 Sue Bursztynski
60 Judith Seaman
62 Leigh Arnold
62 Ann Wortham
67 Leah Rosenthal
81 Sheila Paulson
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:50:29 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>What does everyone else out there think?
I don't think that kind of prose is anything other than an excuse to
introduce "adult" themes into the series. As these have no place on
Lysator, I don't feel the need to comment any further.
On the subject of Jenna, I've bought the videos up to "Pressure Point",
and I'm not sure I buy the "Jenna the Bimbo" theory anyway. Her roles
in "Shadow" and "Horizon" were major ones -- she stood up to Blake in
the former, and Blake based a key decision on her in the latter. If her
lines weren't as slick as Avon's, Vila's or Blake's, you need good
delivery to deliver good lines. I don't think hers was up to the mark
-- to me, she looks very wooden next to Blake, and there is no obvious
chemistry with any of the other actors.
By contrast, Cally was under-utilised. She shines at the beginning of
the second season, and it's a shame she becomes such a drip in the
third. Jan had the ability to make more out of her character, and she'd
proved it in the past. Unfortunately, the writers decided to waste that
ability. I'm not sure you can really say the same thing about Sally.
-- Rob
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:15:22 +0100 (BST)
From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray)
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Susan M mentioned that Trevor Hoyle's first B7 novel portrayed the
characters (such as in the piece I quoted) in such a manner that it had to
be AH. Personally, I don't agree with this explanation. My own idea is that
Hoyle had to work with draft scripts, and no idea as to which actors would
play the characters, with understandably hilarious results!
For your entertainment, here are Hoyle's descriptions of some of the
main characters:
1. Avon: He[Blake] saw a man with large pale eyes and a high domed forehead,
who at a guess was somewhere in his thirties.
We are, of course, supposed to imagine Avon as an 'egghead', or perhaps
'nerd' would be a better word.
2. Villa: The fact that greeted his[Blake's] return reminded him of a
gargoyle. It was small, pinched, swarthy, and contained a
pair of eyes that held a mischievous twinkle despite their
expression of apparently sincere concern.
Of course, our Villa was neither handsome or ugly, but of normal appearance,
with nothing to make him stand out, something invaluable for his thieving
activities.
3. Vargas: tall and solidly-built with fair curly hair that surrounded his
head like a halo. Although extremely handsome, his face had an
arrogant leer, superior and distainful.
First, there is no mention of Vargas having a beard; second, he's obviously
younger than Brian Blessed.
4. Jenna: A girl was standing at Villa's shoulder. She was quite tall,
slim, with dark hair, and even in the dim light Blake could see
that she was extraordinarily beautiful.
Yes, that _is_ the description of Jenna, not Cally.
5. Cally: His[Blake's] assailant was tall, slim, athletically supple -- and
she was incredible beautiful into the bargain. But the most
fascinating feature about her was the colour of her eyes. Blake
had never in his life seen anything like them, nor anyone like
her, and neither could he fathom out why a young,
stunningly-attractive girl should be wearing camouflaged combat
gear: military-style shirt and trousers and snug, tightly-laced
jungle boots.
Poor Blake. So he can't figure out why she was dressed like that. How about
the fact that she was fighting the Federation and that she would be an easy
target if dressed in a designer gown.
As regards the descriptions of Jenna and Cally, I can make a
suggestion as to why such characters were not persisted with in the series:
the BBC had made approaches to two supermodels, but the price they demanded
was too high.
Murray
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:00:54 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se, mjsmith@tcd.ie
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> Susan M mentioned that Trevor Hoyle's first B7 novel >portrayed
the
>characters (such as in the piece I quoted) in such a manner that it
>had to
>be AH. Personally, I don't agree with this explanation. My own idea >is
that
>Hoyle had to work with draft scripts, and no idea as to which actors
>would
>play the characters, with understandably hilarious results!
Crumbs! So that was all written before the show went on the air. That
makes me feel like a wally -- there was a bit of a sense of humour
failure in my last message.
All this goes to show how dreadful the series could have been if the
wrong people had got their hands on it. This stuff really looks as
though it's been written by a member of the dirty raincoat brigade!
I still say Jenna was given as fair a crack of the whip as Gan, though.
:-)
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:53:00 +0100 (BST)
From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray)
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Many, including myself, have lamented the treatment of Jenna in the
series. Instead of being the vigorous, independent smuggler we expected, she
became more the blonde bimbo at the teleport. Despite this, I found, when
reading Trevor Hoyle's novelisation of the first four chapters, that things
could have been worse. The following extract is located at the time of
'Cygnus Alpha' when Jenna has found something new to wear, and is showing it
off to Avon. The latter has figured out the foolproof method of stealing 5
million credits from the Federation
when Jenna appeared in the doorway and softly called his name.
Avon casually looked round and then sat up straight, his
eyes popping out of his head. His first thought was to wonder how
a beautiful and sexy star maiden had managed to get aboard the
_Liberator_ and it took all ot ten seconds for him to realise that
it was Jenna, attired in the most magnificent - and rather
revealing - space-age costume.
She stood in the doorway, well aware of the stunning
effect and revelling in Avon's goggling admiration, her expression
one of impish seductiveness.
'That looks-' Avon swallowed '-incredible.' He got slowly
to his feet and gazed at her with real appreciation.
'You think it does something for me?' Jenna enquired coyly,
posing for him.
Avon nodded dumbly. 'It does something for me too,' he
confessed.
'It's been a long time since I wore clothes like this. It
makes me feel like a woman again.'
'It doesn't leave too much doubt about that,' Avon told her
truthfully. 'Where did you get it?'
Looking at 'Cygnus Alpha', I didn't think that her costume was that
sexy. Perhaps if it was something corresponding to the gold bikini worn by
Princess Leia in 'Return of the Jedi' I might have had a different opinion.
What does everyone else out there think?
Murray Smith
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 04:18:05 +1000
From: "Katrina Harkess" <kharkess@mail.usyd.edu.au>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Bimbo
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> >What does everyone else out there think?
>
> I don't think that kind of prose is anything other than an excuse to
> introduce "adult" themes into the series. As these have no place on
> Lysator, I don't feel the need to comment any further.
People consider the discussion of Jenna-the-character being treated in a
degrading manner because of her gender ADULT???
>
> On the subject of Jenna, I've bought the videos up to "Pressure Point",
> and I'm not sure I buy the "Jenna the Bimbo" theory anyway. Her roles
> in "Shadow" and "Horizon" were major ones -- she stood up to Blake in
> the former, and Blake based a key decision on her in the latter. If her
> lines weren't as slick as Avon's, Vila's or Blake's, you need good
> delivery to deliver good lines. I don't think hers was up to the mark
> -- to me, she looks very wooden next to Blake, and there is no obvious
> chemistry with any of the other actors.
>
> By contrast, Cally was under-utilised. She shines at the beginning of
> the second season, and it's a shame she becomes such a drip in the
> third. Jan had the ability to make more out of her character, and she'd
> proved it in the past. Unfortunately, the writers decided to waste that
> ability. I'm not sure you can really say the same thing about Sally.
/Jenna/ was certainly underutilised in many episodes - but more because the
writer seems to be more comfortable writing the powerful roles for the men.
This becomre more evident in the 3rd Season though, and by that time Jenna
is gone. Wooden? In constrast, she gave a very good portrayal of the
character - a character who wasn't a snappy or witty as Blake/Avon/Vila. If
you want a woodenly played character - look at Gan! [Not that there was
much poor David Jackson could do but anyway]
Besides, in Shadow and Horizon - it was the male charaters reacting to
their judgement/knowledge of her /not/ Jenna given lines and screen time to
play it out much.
And don't forget when it was written - we've come a long way in the little
under 20years since.
Not to say Cally wasn't underutilised as well but I'm focusing on Jenna
here.
Katrina.
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:49:52 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters
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At 04:52 21/09/98 GMT, s.thompson8@genie.com wrote:
>Just for fun, here are all the authors from my current list of gen
> stories who have written 10 or more stories each (counting
> collaborations separately for each author) published in paper
> zines.
(snip)
It would be very interesting to know how many of the authors you listed
are, in fact, still writing B7 stuff to this day. I, for one, haven't
written any B7 since at least '92. What about everyone else who made the
list? Anyone know?
Judith
J.M. Rolls
jager@clara.net
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:27:27 +0200
From: nicoline.van.den.berg@tip.nl
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Most prolific B7 fanwriters
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>It would be very interesting to know how many of the authors you listed
>are, in fact, still writing B7 stuff to this day. I, for one, haven't
>written any B7 since at least '92. What about everyone else who made the
>list? Anyone know?
>
>
>Judith
>J.M. Rolls
>jager@clara.net
So your two stories in the latest Horizon zine are *that* old? Wow... I'm
sorry to hear you aren't writing B7 anymore these days since most of your
stories are among my very favourites.
Nicoline
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:57:42 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Please excuse the doggerel (I'll be back in my right mind shortly)
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I sing a song, a tale of woe,
From Heaven's grace I fell
Because of the curse of the Toothy One
The Tarrant Nostra love so well.
The video went into the machine,
The danger knew I not.
I wanted to see if I was keen
On these episodes for their plot.
Just some episodes of "Pie in the Sky",
A show I find sublime;
But there on the screen was the Toothy One!
It was only breakfast time.
They need no horseheads now, you see,
The victim does it all,
By watching a fatal video,
Her vision to appall.
I wish I'd grabbed another tape,
(Except for the fifth in number),
For if I had done that at the time
The horror would have slumbered.
Instead, I saw the Toothy One,
The punishment for my crimes.
I ask for the grace of the godmother
In answer to this rhyme.
I sing a song, a tale of woe,
From Heaven's grace I fell
Because of the curse of the Toothy One,
The Tarrant Nostra love so well.
Sorry about this, ladies and gentlemen, but it only happened an hour and
a half ago and I had to do something. You're probably wishing I'd chosen
to do something else. Again, I'm sorry.
Regards
Joanne
A good scare is worth more to a man than good advice.
--Edgar Watson Howe
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:39:06 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Please excuse the doggerel (I'll be back in my right mind shortly)
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Joanne bemoans:
> I sing a song, a tale of woe,
> From Heaven's grace I fell
> Because of the curse of the Toothy One
> The Tarrant Nostra love so well.
<snip>
<snicker> It appears you can't escape your fate, so you may as well just
accept your destiny. It's not as if you're being hit by a case of the plague.
Tarrant can be a most enjoyable obsession. He's cute. He's brave. There are
numerous items available to stave off withdrawal pains when "Pie in the Sky"
simply isn't enough. We CAN help you.
Carol Mc (chortling with glee)
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:27:36 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Judith asked:
> It would be very interesting to know how many of the authors you listed
> are, in fact, still writing B7 stuff to this day. I, for one, haven't
> written any B7 since at least '92. What about everyone else who made the
> list? Anyone know?
I'm still writing. And Marian Mendez is still writing. Rebecca Brothers has
other fannish interests but hasn't given up the possibility of writing more
B7. Sheila Paulson writes the occasional B7 story these days--though nothing
in the past couple of years. Peggy Hartsook hasn't written B7 in years and
has no plans to do more B7 at this time. Teresa Ward is no longer in B7 and
shows no signs of returning to the fold.
Carol Mc
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:55:43 EDT
From: SuzanThoms@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 9/21/98 2:00:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Judith Rolls
writes:
<< It would be very interesting to know how many of the authors you listed
are, in fact, still writing B7 stuff to this day. I, for one, haven't
written any B7 since at least '92. >>
Yikes!! Not for lack of interest, I pray. (your interest, I mean)
Suzanne
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