From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #249 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume98/249 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 249 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Voices Re: [B7L] "HORIZON" Newsflash 30/9/98 [B7L] Vila's habits [B7L] Re: Soolin [B7L] Re: Where are you? [B7L] From "Horizon": Sad News For B7 Fans Re: [B7L] Horizon info, bloopers, etc. [B7L] Vila's habits and Soolin [B7L] Vere Lorrimer Re: [B7L] From "Horizon": Sad News For B7 Fans [B7L] Re: SC: Vere Lorrimer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:36:38 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Voices Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0930183638-063Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 29 Sep, Rob Clother wrote: > > > Hope you have an excellent trip, Judith! Actually, it's my husband that's going. He has a business meeting there. He's not a fan himself, but he's very willing to help fans for me. > >Heck, they're worth it just for the voices. Stephen Greiff has a > >wonderful voice that you never really notice when he's Travis. > > > You certainly notice it when he isn't Travis any more. :-( Yes, Brian Croucher just didn't sound the same. > > The characters' voices are one of the most pleasing aspects of B7. If > there's one thing about an actor that draws you into their world like a > moth, it has to be the voice. And in B7, most of the voices were > consistently stunning. Ah, Gareth! He and Paul have beautiful voices. If only they'd found more distinctive voices for the women for the radio play. I found I was forever confusing Dayna and Soolin. > > I'd like to add Jackie to your list. Perhaps it doesn't come across so > much on the tapes, but in the series her voice takes you elsewhere -- > for me, it's the main ingredient in her extraordinary charisma. Shame > Servalan was such a murderous zealot, really. Otherwise, she might have > made a most pleasurable acquaintance... For me, Servalan's appeal lies mainly in the body language. It's the way she projects confidence. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:35:56 +0100 From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] "HORIZON" Newsflash 30/9/98 Message-Id: <199809302321.AAA03702@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: JMR <jager@clara.net> > ...And for your interest, Diane Gies yesterday spoke to Brian Lighthill (re > the 2nd B7 audio play). Apparently the recording of "The Syndeton > Experiment" went very well, and all the cast had a great time. But is the script any good...? (bearing in mind that it's Barry again...) -- "Try some terrorism for hire; we'll blow shit up... It's more fun!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:15:04 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Vila's habits Message-ID: <c185fadb.3612e5a8@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The list has been too quiet lately. I'm going to have to liven things up. A while back, there was a thread concerning Tarrant trying to kick Vila. I don't remember the specifics, but I do know that Vila had several habits that would have gotten him court martialed in any military organization I know of. Tarrant was a soldier, and he expected the others to behave like soldiers, at least in the beginning. In "Rumours of Death," Tarrant reminded Vila to stay awake and sober (as Vila was halfway through a flask of the green antifreeze stuff). Vila had fallen asleep on duty before as well as gotten drunk when he was supposed to be keeping his mind on business. I think there were times when everyone else in the crew wanted to hit him. Vila was not as stupid or as cowardly as he wanted the others to think. Perhaps Tarrant was aware of this and that was why he got so frustrated with Vila. Regarding Rob's comments on Soolin and the fourth season. I recently saw "Gold" and agree that Soolin and Avon make a good team. I disagree with his evaluation of the other characters not standing up to Avon, however. Tarrant seemed to be functioning as Avon's second-in -command. Someone pointed out that in "Warlord" Vila, Dayna, and Soolin all hear the announcement that an unknown ship is approaching Xenon. They immediately call Tarrant and let him decide what to do rather than acting themselves. I saw several instances in the fourth season episodes (that I've seen) where it seemed like the others expected Tarrant to act as a buffer between them and Avon. Carol pointed out that Vila and Tarrant particularly seemed to have formed a mutual protection society. Anyone care to comment? Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 02:29:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Soolin Message-Id: <199810010230.CAA06261@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rob, interesting comments on Soolin. Have you seen Sand? A friend who agrees with you that Soolin was the real second power after Avon in the fourth season crew pointed out to me that at the beginning, when they are discussing whether or not to go to Virn, Tarrant agrees with Avon right away. The one who has to be convinced-- and whose opinion is clearly the deciding factor-- is Soolin. I can't offhand recall an instance of the character having her lines stolen a la the Blake-Jenna example you mention. She gets some quite good lines in Headhunter, as I recall. Hmm-- maybe that's one reason why the person with the excellent pictures on his website likes that episode? Oh, and it was you, wasn't it, who wrote the Avon-Jenna story with the cliched phrases re-used in more interesting ways? That was very well done! Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:04:23 +0100 From: Robinson Paula <Paula.Robinson@RCN.ORG.UK> To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Re: Where are you? Message-ID: <c=GB%a=_%p=RCN%l=RCN_LONDON1-981001100423Z-10661@rcn-london1.rcn.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if I'm a bit late answering this, (like, so late it's now irrelevant! :)) or if someone else has already supplied the answer... I'm very behind in my e-mails and only just caught up on Sondra's message (and then Jackie T's) enquiring about the whereabouts of the Horizon letterzine... I gather Diane has already been told that Sondra was enquiring about the LZ so contacted her direct with the answer... which (for anyone else's info) was that Debbie's computer had died, and it was either just photo copy everyone's handwriting or send it all off to a typist. This is what Diane did but alas the typist then had some major problems too, but it's now finished and was posted to Debbie for mailing out a couple of days ago. Hopefully Debbie will have it out early next week. However, it MAY not be the last LZ after all, because Carol, the lady who typed it up, has volunteered to be the new editor if there's sufficient interest. Accordingly, anyone who is currently a subscriber should let Diane or Debbie know they want to continue, and anyone interested in joining should email diane@horizon.org.uk to let her know. If it is to be resurrected, it will start in January 1999 (so that the possible resurrection can be advertised in Horizon NL 39 - hopefully out in November). If people have queries such as "where is my...??" for Horizon, Diane suggests you just email her to ask, rather than posting a query on the list as then someone (usually belatedly in my case) tells her a question has been posted and then she tells them the answer (like now!) and then I have to post back the reply - all a bit long-winded when e-mail is supposed to be fast, I'm sure you'll agree. :) Paula ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:15:25 +0100 From: JMR <jager@clara.net> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] From "Horizon": Sad News For B7 Fans Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19981001191525.006964e0@clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thursday, 1st October 1998. It is with deep regret that "Horizon" passes on the sad news that "Blake's 7" producer and director Vere Lorrimer died today after a short illness. Vere, who contributed so much to B7, will be sadly missed by all. Please refer to the "Horizon" Website. <http://www.horizon.org.uk/> J.M. Rolls jager@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:16:37 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon info, bloopers, etc. Message-ID: <44cd0a7.3613d515@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jeroen requested: > He Carol! I notice you have a great memory, why not e-mail me the whole > blooper real from memory???? :) <g> I've already told you all the best parts. The rest is just people flubbing lines, guns that misfire, and Space Rat three wheel vehicle bloopers. Or is it that I've only imprinted the Tarrant bits in my memory? :) Judith, thanks for the additional Horizon Newsflash updates. I really appreciate them. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:16:39 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Vila's habits and Soolin Message-ID: <9db2f7a7.3613d517@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit TigerM wrote: > A while back, there was a thread concerning Tarrant trying to kick Vila. Actually, it was Avon who kicked Vila. The only time Tarrant rough handled Vila is when he pulls him off Zeeona. > Vila was not as stupid or as cowardly as he wanted the others to think. > Perhaps Tarrant was aware of this and that was why he got so frustrated with > Vila. Tarrant definitely seemed to believe that Vila was capable as long as Vila stay sober and focused. He wouldn't have been sending Vila to Keezarn if he hadn't thought Vila could do the job. And Tarrant was quite comfortable assigning Vila as his back-up in GAMES. It should be noted that Vila didn't fail in either assignment. He opened Bayban's "lock." He rescued Tarrant, Dayna and Gerren. I can see where, as you suggest, Tarrant would get particularly frustrated by Vila's shirking since he knew Vila could be capable. It's worse than seeing a cowardly bum waste himself. It's the waste of someone with skills and talent, who could probably be contributing more to the overall good of the group than Vila sometimes did. Look at Vila's able handling of the Zen crisis in TERMINAL, and his bravery in rescuing Tarrant in RESCUE. If he had always been in peak form, it might not have made a difference in the long run but it would have made things easier for his shipmates in the short run. > Regarding Rob's comments on Soolin and the fourth season. I recently saw > "Gold" and agree that Soolin and Avon make a good team. I disagree with his > evaluation of the other characters not standing up to Avon, however. > Tarrant > seemed to be functioning as Avon's second-in -command. A lot of Soolin's strength was self-interest. She didn't contribute as much to the group as Tarrant did. I don't think Avon could rely on Soolin the same way he relied on Tarrant. When you watch BLAKE, Tarrant is the only one who seems totally trusting/supportive of Avon. And it's always Tarrant who is second in command. Tarrant who was called to deal with the unidentified ship in WARLORD. Tarrant who was in charge on Scorpio when Avon and Vila went to Malodaar. > that in "Warlord" Vila, Dayna, and Soolin all hear the announcement that an > unknown ship is approaching Xenon. They immediately call Tarrant and let > him > decide what to do rather than acting themselves. I saw several instances in > the fourth season episodes (that I've seen) where it seemed like the others > expected Tarrant to act as a buffer between them and Avon. I've also had a sense that Tarrant acted as a buffer. While it was Dayna who actually planted and detonated the explosives that destroyed the Muller android, it was Tarrant who accepted Avon's ire for the deed. Granted, it was clearly Tarrant's orders that Dayna was following, but a lesser person might have tried to throw part of the responsibility on her shoulders. Tarrant's also the one who reassures Vila in GAMES that Avon wouldn't abandon them. Tarrant was also the one who supported Avon's decisions when they came into question. When Soolin was upset about Dayna and Vila being used as expendable distractions in STARDRIVE, Tarrant indicates that he indicates that he agrees that the need for a new drive justified the risk. Sarah T wrote: > Have you seen Sand? A friend who agrees with you that Soolin was the real > second power after Avon in the fourth season crew pointed out to me that at > the beginning, when they are discussing whether or not to go to Virn, > Tarrant agrees with Avon right away. The one who has to be convinced-- and > whose opinion is clearly the deciding factor-- is Soolin. I don't know. I just rewatched that scene and I didn't see any evidence that Soolin is the deciding factor. Here are the order of events: When the scene opens Vila, Dayna and Soolin are ALL pointing out the potential dangers on Virn. Tarrant's not indicating his view either way. If anything, he seems a bit amused by it all. Avon explains why they should go to Virn. Dayna and Soolin quickly agree that it is worth the risk. Neither of them needed much convincing once the facts were presented to them. And they were both equally opposed to the trip before Avon spoke up. Not just Soolin. Avon next asks Tarrant what he thinks. So even though Dayna and Soolin have already agreed, he wants Tarrant's opinion. Or perhaps Tarrant's confirmation that going to Virn is a good idea. (Poor Vila doesn't even get a consult!) Based on the various disagreements of opinion in third and fourth seasons, the only one who was able to sway Avon from his intended course was Tarrant. More so in third season than fourth. But that's only because Tarrant usually agreed with Avon in fourth season. It's Tarrant who engineers the destruction of the Muller android against Avon's wishes. Even when he is trying to be a good and supportive second-in-command, there are clearly limits to Tarrant's cooperation. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:14:15 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com> Subject: [B7L] Vere Lorrimer Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1001171415-339Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I just had the following message from the Avon Club. It came as rather a shock. > LATEST NEWS FROM AVON: THE PAUL DARROW SOCIETY > 1st October 1998 > > It is with great sadness that I have to inform you of the death today of Vere > Lorrimer. As you can image, Paul and Janet and all who knew him are > absolutely devastated by the news, as no one knew he was ill. Paul will be > writing an article on Vere for the next newsletter. ANN For those who don't know, Vere Lorrimer directed many episodes in the first three seasons and was producer for the fourth season. He was a memorable character and anecdotes about him abound. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:53:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu> To: JMR <jager@clara.net> cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] From "Horizon": Sad News For B7 Fans Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.981001145229.10320A-100000@inet-ux.graceland.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, JMR wrote: > > > Thursday, 1st October 1998. > > > It is with deep regret that "Horizon" passes on the sad news that "Blake's > 7" producer and director Vere Lorrimer died today after a short illness. > > Vere, who contributed so much to B7, will be sadly missed by all. > > Please refer to the "Horizon" Website. > Even though I did not know him personally, this makes me very sad! (feeling of depression seeping in) --Grace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:37:44 +0100 From: Julia Jones <julia.SC@jajones.demon.co.uk> To: space-city@world.std.com Cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Re: SC: Vere Lorrimer Message-ID: <L4s1GIBYg+E2EwjG@jajones.demon.co.uk> >> LATEST NEWS FROM AVON: THE PAUL DARROW SOCIETY >> 1st October 1998 >> >> It is with great sadness that I have to inform you of the death today of Vere >> Lorrimer. As you can image, Paul and Janet and all who knew him are >> absolutely devastated by the news, as no one knew he was ill. Paul will be >> writing an article on Vere for the next newsletter. ANN Rest in peace. Another one I will regret never having had the chance to meet. -- Julia Jones "One of the most basic rules for survival on any planet is never to upset someone wearing black leather" - Terry Pratchett, _The Last Continent_ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #249 **************************************