From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #253 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume98/253 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 253 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Avon and gun [B7L] Double standards (was Stuff from Rob) [B7L] Vere Lorrimer Pictures Re: [B7L] Double standards (was Stuff from Rob) [B7L] It's the silly season again! [B7L] B7 sketch [B7L] Re: Lots of stuff from Rob [B7L] Merlin RE: [B7L] Lots of stuff from Rob Re: [B7L] Soolin (was Soolin/sorrowful news) [B7L] Who is Soolin? [B7L] Zeeona [B7L] {B7L] re Doulble Standards [B7L] re: Project Avalon Re: [B7L] Zeeona [B7L] OT: something you can do to help fight AIDS Re: [B7L] Who is Soolin? [B7L] VD, STDs, etc. [B7L] Boucher on Boucher [B7L] Other animals to liken people to [B7L] Blake, poor baby [B7L] Tarrant, Soolin, damnit, the whole crew if need be! Re: [B7L] re Double Standards [B7L] Blake, poor baby - an apology [B7L] costume sale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:14:39 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and gun Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1004201439-354Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 04 Oct, Jennifer Beavan wrote: > > > > > > Avon is seriously wound up by the need to rescue Blake if he's really > > there, and the need to consider what will happen if it is, as he > > suspects, a trap. He is, in a back-handed way, trying to protect his > > crew. I think he needs his luscious little backside kicked for the way > > he goes about it, but the situation is rather different to Tarrant's. > > That makes a difference in how one views the use of a gun to threaten > > people. > > But he wasn't just threatening - he was prepared to kill Tarrant - > confirmed by both Tarrant and Cally. Tarrant was never going to shoot Vila > and everybody knew it. And there you have the true test of the hard-core Avon fan <grin>. That's one of my all time favourie Avon moments; I absolutely love it. He's so totally focused on finding Blake that nothing and no-one is going to stop him. At the same time he's so terrified of them finding out what he's looking for and stopping him that he's totally ruthless. That's what makes Avon so attractive to me. When he loves - be it Anna or Blake - he loves totally. He hates to give committment, he plays the cynic for all he can so that no one will ever suspect him capable of that committment, but in the end, he's an all or nothing person. And because he's so total about it, he can't take betrayal of that committment. He killed Anna and Blake for exactly the same reason (even if he was mistaken about Blake). That's why I can forgive him for killing Blake. If he hadn't loved Blake totally (read that as platonic or sexual - the argument is exactly the same in either case) then he wouldn't have had that killing reaction. Betrayal from people he didn't love didn't have the same impact. In 'Gold' for example, he is amused rather than angry that Servalan tried to set him up. The only time he reacts with passinate anger towards Servalan is in 'Terminal' when she tells him that Blake is dead. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 03:09:31 EDT From: SuzanThoms@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Double standards (was Stuff from Rob) Message-ID: <a268fdab.361870ab@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit <<Tigerm writes: <<like leaving the Liberator completely unattended in "Gambit" (if Blake <<and the others had needed emergency teleport they'd have been in deep <<trouble). At some points, they actively endanger their shipmates, either >>through intent or negligence. >> When were Blake and party in danger thru negligence? ORAC was ready to teleport them at a moments notice if they called for transport. There was NEVER a time they would have been stranded. I found the end of this episode rediculous. I can't imagine Avon feeling compelled to hide his actions from Blake. <<Judith writes: <<There's something dangerously seductive about Avon's demeanour <<that invites us to ignore his faults Definitely! But I think rather than ignore them, we adore him in spite of them. I can forgive Avon his bad faults because I accept him as he is, as a product of the B7 universe. And it's the climate of the B7 universe that attracts me to the show in the first place. While I don't see Avon with a hidden heart of gold, I do acknowledge his loyalty to his crew (both of them) and his good points (which I will list if necessary). >>while crucifying others for the same failings. I haven't noticed this. I've only been on the list for about six weeks so I guess I just haven't seen these postings. I didn't realize the others were being so crucified. So far, all I've seen is a lot of Avon bashing. Because *I* find Avon so particularly attractive and appealing I find it easy to forgive him almost anything. However, I forgive the others their failings as well. Well, most of them anyway. I'll never forgive Vila from dropping the gun in "Spacefall" Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 01:47:51 -0700 From: "Jim Bartlett" <jimbart@my-dejanews.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Vere Lorrimer Pictures Message-ID: <MIBNKJHCJFAEFAAA@my-dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sure many of you, like me, would like to know what the late Vere Lorrimer looked like. There are a couple of pictures in the Inside Story, but they are rather small. I've found some nice pictures in the Birmingham School of Speech and Drama site, where he obviously used to lecture, which give a better idea of the man. Go to http://www.bssd.ac.uk/bssd/verepg.htm and http://www.bssd.ac.uk/bssd/vere2.htm Considering the stories about him, he looks remarkably sensible! Cheers, Jim Bartlett -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:28:07 EDT From: AChevron@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Double standards (was Stuff from Rob) Message-ID: <82974cde.3618bb57@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-10-05 03:12:21 EDT, you write: << I'll never forgive Vila from dropping the gun in "Spacefall" >> but if he hadn't dropped the gun, they never would have gotten on the Liberator:) It took me quite awhile to realize how much I liked Vila; my first clue was the fact that I used him as the central character in a short story in last year's Labor Day Party. So give the guy a break, please? D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 05:48:32 PDT From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] It's the silly season again! Message-ID: <19981005124833.21410.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >>I certainly don't like him [Galahad]! > >You're just jealous 'cause he got to visit the Castle Anthrax. Wouldn't you be? I mean, come on -- I wouldn't have minded if he'd actually stayed there... -- Rob PS If you read the Holy Grail part of Le Morte Darthur, there are about six or seven different versions of the Castle Anthrax, and they're all completely bizarre and twisted. It's great! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:38:11 +0100 From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] B7 sketch Message-Id: <E0zQAry-00011y-00@post.mail.demon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was reading the radio review in the Observer yesterday. The woman was reviewing a comedy program (*) which was supposed to be 'contemporary'. Anyway she mentioned in passing that it included a sketch called 'Bloke's 7' The reviewer didn't seem to think this was too obscure - and presumably neither did the scriptwriters. I find this obscurely comforting. Alison (*) It was Punt and Dennis, who used to be in the 'Mary Whitehouse experience' on TV with Newman and Baddiel if that means anything to anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:52:25 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Re: Lots of stuff from Rob Message-ID: <199810051052_MC2-5BA1-6F09@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Carol wrote: >So while RUMOURS might have been selfishly conceived >by Avon and stupidly allowed to play out by the support >of his crew, it benefited them in the long run. But it didn't benefit the citizens of the Federation (though I concede that Anna's chances of pulling off the coup weren't all that good - it depended largely on whoever was commanding the relief forces being sufficiently devoted to Servalan to put saving her life above crushing the rebels). And killing/overthrowing Servalan had to be beneficial in anyone's books. Apart from her not being around to persecute the masses in person, she's a constant threat to the crew. Even though she has been overthrown in fourth season, and even though their importance decreases without the Liberator, she spends an awful lot of time following them round the galaxy. No doubt the new Federation President would be pleased if his/her forces destroyed them (as they eventually did), but there is no sign of him/her devoting such personal attention to it. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:17:02 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Merlin Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1005081702-b49Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The following is courtesty of the sci fi channel website: (and gives slightly different dates from those previously mentioned) The Kaleidoscope Media Group announced that its two-hour TV pilot Merlin: The Magic Begins will air in syndication between Oct. 19 and Nov. 15. The show has so far been cleared in 59 markets, which represent approximately 62 percent of U.S. TV households, including both CBS and NBC owned-and-operated stations. Merlin stars Jason Connery, the son of Sean Connery, and Deborah Moore, the daughter of Roger Moore, in a story based on the King Arthur legend. In this version of the Arthur tale, Merlin is a young man who must learn to control his blossoming magical powers while fighting to protect the benevolent forest people against the black magic of the evil Rengal. Kaleidoscope plans to follow the Merlin movie with a syndicated one-hour TV series that is expected to premiere in the fall 1999. Footnote from Judith - Kaleidoscope have promised things about a series before and they didn't come to pass, so I'd take this announcement with a large pinch of salt. There's also no guarantee at all that Gareth will retain his part if the series does come to pass. Last time I spoke to Gareth, he'd had no news regarding 'Merlin' for a long time and had pretty well writen it off. Shame, he looks lovely in the stills I've seen. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:33:34 +-100 From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com> To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: RE: [B7L] Lots of stuff from Rob Message-ID: <01BDF08E.D6729E20@host5-171-249-185.btinternet.com> Carol wrote lots of stuff that I agree with, then added: >Tell me more, because I really have a hard time understanding Soolin's >motivations in WARLORD. Why do you see it as Soolin's fight against >injustice? There didn't seem to be any empathy between her and Zeeona. Why >would she take up Zeeona's cause and hate Zukan's dominance of Zeeona so >vehemently that she'd risk the Alliance (that would have benefited her >personally)? It's as if there is a piece of the puzzle that we're not >getting. The only way I can interpret her motivations is to see it as an impulse - by this time Avon's behaviour is becoming seriously dodgy, the whole crew are becoming more disillusioned, more stressed and more miserable. In the midst of all this, she sees Tarrant and Zeeona happy. Soolin, of course, has never been happy since she was 8 years old, and she wouldn't have appreciated what she had of family life til she lost it. Soolin, like Avon, is a good deal softer on the inside than she would like the world to think and is capable of compassion even to strangers (see Neebrox). I think she got it into her head that Tarrant and Zeeona should have their chance to be happy - that conversation with Zeeona set her reminiscing about just how lousy her own life has been. Though I'm sure plenty of people will disagree with my interpretation of a Soolin with romantic impulses! Louise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:58:28 +0100 From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Soolin (was Soolin/sorrowful news) Message-ID: <BAN3YAAU4GG2Ewwa@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <3614FEB8.24E7@geocities.com>, Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com> writes >ok, who wants to write it? Post it to the list, please, when you do! :D It's been written - I can remember reading a story along those lines recently, although I can't remember name or title at the moment. -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:59:05 PDT From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Who is Soolin? Message-ID: <19981005185906.29927.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >Tell me more, because I really have a hard time understanding >Soolin's motivations in WARLORD. Why do you see it as Soolin's >fight against injustice? There didn't seem to be any empathy >between her and Zeeona. Why would she take up Zeeona's cause and >hate Zukan's dominance of Zeeona so vehemently that she'd risk the >Alliance (that would have benefited her personally)? It's as if >there is a piece of the puzzle that we're not getting. Perhaps she thought that a man who would enslave his daughter couldn't be trusted as the figurehead of a rebel alliance. And yet, when she airs her opinion on Zukan in the next episode, she claims that the alliance wasn't worth spit without him. As Zukan betrayed the alliance anyway, this may have been a backhanded way of telling Avon he'd been on to a loser from the start. >Hm, I've never seen her as a crusader. Must think on that... There are ways you can interpret her actions as those of a crusader, as I will try to expound in the context of Avon/Dorian. >>(1) She would have waited until she had enough power and >>influence within the crew, and wrested the leadership from Avon. >>Avon may or may not have conceded it willingly -- but he would have >>been placed in a position where he had no choice. > >But that doesn't fit (to me) with a woman who took a position as >Dorian's companion and bodyguard... > >>(3) Under no circumstances whatsoever would she have looked upon >>Avon as anything other than a petulant member of her crew. If she >>had taken a lover, it would have been someone made out of quite >>different material to Avon. > >What type of lover do you think she would have taken? The only canon >we have is Dorian, kind of a scumbag. I see Soolin as taking him >because he was (a)physically attractive to her and (b) not at all >emotionally attractive to her. She could enjoy sex with him without >fear of emotional entrapment. Dorian had two things Soolin wanted: Scorpio and the Xenon Base. Again, according to the model I have of her, she would have picked her moment very, very carefully before killing Dorian and taking over the base. She probably would have known he was planning to hijack the Liberator: maybe that would have been the moment. It's difficult to think of Soolin stopping when she's dealt only with the people who killed her family -- she would have harboured a lot of anger and resentment towards the system that junked the law and sanctioned the plundering. So, while Soolin wouldn't have been fighting for the greater good in the same way that Blake was, her quarrel with the Federation would have been similar. >So to my way of thinking, she could have used Avon (in fourth >season) the same way, as long as she didn't much like him. Although she didn't like Avon much (which, in Soolin's mind, is a perfectly good reason to start bonking someone), she would have recognised his value as a member of the crew. She wouldn't have started an affair with someone whom she needed for other reasons. (Remember, in my version of events, she needed Scorio and Xenon, but not Dorian.) In other words, she wouldn't have used Avon sexually for the same reasons that she wouldn't have shot him and chucked him out of the airlock. As for what kind of lover she would have taken, it really is difficult to imagine her loving anyone in a profound sense -- it's much easier to think of her using someone convenient and unobtrusive. Then again, I don't think anyone is immune to love. It would be interesting to speculate on the sort of person it would take to inspire Soolin's devotion -- no one from B7 springs to mind immediately. Cheers, -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 12:24:58 PDT From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Zeeona Message-ID: <19981005192459.15346.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain >I think she got it into her head that Tarrant and Zeeona should have >their chance to be happy - that conversation with Zeeona set her >reminiscing about just how lousy her own life has been. I think I'll have to accept this -- there aren't many other ways you can interpret that scene. So yes, Soolin probably was acting on her impulses at the time. The confusing part is that she did so with such conviction. She was acting like someone who knew they were doing the right thing. It just about adds up if you accept that she had little or no confidence in Zukan, and by extension, Avon's alliance. I notice she referred to it as "your [Avon's] rebel alliance" later on -- deliberately dissociating herself from any part in it. That isn't a very attractive trait -- just waiting in the background and criticising without actively involving herself in the crew's plans -- but then she was a calculating soul... >Though I'm sure plenty of people will disagree >with my interpretation of a Soolin with romantic impulses! OK, I admit -- with the odd romantic impulse. Cheers, -- Rob > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:00:39 +0100 From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] {B7L] re Doulble Standards Message-ID: <36192567.2611@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote: (snip) > Regarding the charges of bullying against Tarrant, the man was a > military officer. That means several things. First, he is used to > being in charge. Second, when someone is an officer, their focus is on > accomplishing the mission, and they do whatever is necessary to do so. Perhaps Tarrant never finished his course. Then again, he WAS Federation trained. Perhaps it was taught that it was accptable to lead by intimidation - look at how all Federation soldiers behave. This *intimidation* was what Blake was fighting against, surely? > They don't let personal feelings get in the way of that. Also, the > focus is on the welfare of the group as a group. In the early part of the third season, Tarrant had > to adjust to working with civilians, and the rest of the crew had to adjust to > having a military person on board. Let us not forget also, that Tarrant deserted the Federation, and became a mercenary, he would have had to deal with civilians then. What we saw was not a *Military Man* adjusting to civilians, but a mercenary failing in becoming top dog (dominant male?? :-)). We saw that Bayban (a mercenary/pirate) also led by bullying his crew. Tarrant obviously assumed that because the Liberator crew were high priced outlaws, he could bully his way into leading the group. Wrong! > Vila's unreliable behavior endangered > everyone, and I think Tarrant believed he had to do something about it for all > their sakes. I do know this, if a crewman on a submarine got drunk and slept > on duty all the time, he would not have been on sub duty very long, Not only that, he would have been courtmartialled, served time in RNDQs, and discharged the Navy SNLR. BUT, even submariners get to go ashore, or have a crew change while the boat goes to sea. The crew of the Liberator did not have that luxury, they lived on board permenantly. They needed a break every now and again. Bue for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:00:46 +0100 From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: Project Avalon Message-ID: <3619256E.52E6@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: > > On Fri 02 Oct, Jane MacDonald wrote: > > I have just been watching Project Avalon and something is puzzling me. > > If the virus has a life of only 28 seconds, how was it supposed to spread > > throughout the liberator in that time. > > Surely Travis wasn't relying on the whole crew to be in the vicinity of the > > virus when it was dropped? > > What do people think? > > I think it's a darn good question! > > Without rewatching the episode, here's my of the cuff guess. > > I think there's two things - how fast the virus acted and how it was neutralised > afterwards. Wasn't there something on the screen that said 'neutralising'? > > This suggests that there was a counter-agent that neutralised the virus. > Presumably this was introduced into the chamber after the man was dead. > > If this was the case, then the neutralising agent could have been released on > Liberator once the crew were dead. I`ve always believed that the virus needed `something` to work on. In the experiment, the victim was in a confined space. Once the virus had *eaten* the victim, it died a natural death. On the expanse of the Liberator, it would have continued to live till it had exhausted it`s food supply (for want of a better expression). This tied in with the fact that no federation ships went after it immediately (remember Servalan`s surprise when the Liberator re-enterd Orbit - she would not have been so surprised if the ship had been followed.) This led me to believe that Servalan knew she had a fews days before the ship would have been viable for take-over. I`m sure my theory is full of errors, but that is how I`ve always *accepted* that plot-line. > > The question that always bugs me in this epside is why the android didn't > release the virus the instant it came on board Liberator. Or how the Android lost her coverall in the first place?, and why did nobody discover the glass bauble when they removed the garment?. Why was the prison coverall kept in the first place and not disposed of - were the crew planning to give it back to Avalon as a momento of her stay? Answers - anyone? Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:58:25 -0500 From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Zeeona Message-Id: <199810052059.PAA07182@pemberton.magnolia.net> Rob said: >It just about adds up if you accept that she had little or no confidence >in Zukan, and by extension, Avon's alliance. I notice she referred to >it as "your [Avon's] rebel alliance" later on -- deliberately >dissociating herself from any part in it. That isn't a very attractive >trait -- just waiting in the background and criticising without actively >involving herself in the crew's plans -- but then she was a calculating >soul... That last sentence is an apt description of another regular character in the show. Any guesses on who it could be? <eg> Lorna B. "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kim F. Holec" <deidre@america.net> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] OT: something you can do to help fight AIDS Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981005182533.17740C-100000@atl1> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear List-Members, As I work for an ISP, I do not condone spam in any way. However, this is not spam, but for a good cause! Today, October the 5th only, Levi's/Dockers will contribute $5 (american) to the San Franciso Aids Foundation for every person who goes to http://www.sfaf.org and fills out a very brief survey. Click on Link@Life, and that is where you will find the survey. Please give a few minutes of your time to this most worthy cause. Back on topic: so is there any VD in the Federation, or does Servalen and co. have a wonder drug for that, too? Thanks in advance, Kim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:37:04 EDT From: AChevron@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Who is Soolin? Message-ID: <e422f9af.36194a10@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-10-05 15:02:07 EDT, you write: << (Remember, in my version of events, she needed Scorio and Xenon, but not Dorian.) >> I can't buy into this Soolin. This is a Soolin who would never have let Dorian leave Xenon base; it left her stranded if anything would happen to him. She isn't aware that he needs to rejuvinate by coming back at fairly frequent intervals, so she's risking a lot by allowing him away. That, and his caution about locking up Scorpio. There's no reason to believe that she has acess to Scorpio's controls even if she had the ship. So the picture of a mercianary Soolin, merely trying to survive, and enjoying some quiet, pleasant surroundings makes more sense than a conspiritorial Soolin callously planning to 'off' Dorian and take over his things. There would also be the matter of ownership; I can see Avon and Orac hacking into records and making it look as if they owned Scorpio, but Soolin never shows any skills in this area. Admittedly, this wouldn't be a major problem after the war, but as the Federation begins re-establishing its control, she would have found herself in a difficult position... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:43:42 EDT From: AChevron@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] VD, STDs, etc. Message-ID: <e422f9b1.36194b9e@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-10-05 18:36:17 EDT, you write: << Back on topic: so is there any VD in the Federation, or does Servalen and co. have a wonder drug for that, too? >> I doubt if the Federation has managed to free itself from such things; the nasty little buggers are good at adapting to anything we throw at them:) In addition, given that mankind's spread out over what appears to be hundreds of worlds( though the relatively low populations on these worlds would slow down any spread), you'd get some interesting mutations on old favorites. As for Servalan, no doubt she had access to the best in medical prevention, or at worst, treatment. Another advantage of her position; she could order a prospective toy to be given a physical to ensure that she wouldn't have to worry about such things:) D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:51:26 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Boucher on Boucher Message-ID: <3618F90D.3BA33C4@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current issue of SFX in the UK (No 44 Novemver) has a review of the Fabulous Films video release containing Shadow and Weapon. Nothing surprising there apart from the fact that both those episodes were written by Chris Boucher and the reviewer is.. er, Chris Boucher. He likes the way Shadow turned out but not Weapon and was obviously not keen on director George Spenton Foster. He also said: "Foster hated one cast member and left him swinging in the wind." Does anyone know any more about this? There is a different reviewer for the tape containing Horizon and Pressure Point and his line is that if you think Avon epitomises sex-in-leather then you'll like Horizon otherwise you won't. -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:36:03 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Other animals to liken people to Message-ID: <19981005233604.12074.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Seems I'm reluctant to go back into work mode after a long weekend... Rob said: >Put another way, this argument could run, "It's OK for Avon to be a pig, but not for anyone else." That would be true for me, Rob, IF I wanted it to be, but I don't. Heavens, <smile> there are a number of occasions, especially in the later episodes where I'd be quite happy to kick Avon from here to the North Pole (and Sydney to the South Pole is a fair distance!). No, where Avon's concerned, there are some people who *appear* quite happy to look at the stars (Hello Suzanne, but believe me, this is not a criticism), but I'm definitely looking at the gutter. Given the new quote at the bottom of Julia's posts, I think there are others looking in much the same direction <chuckle> but I'm not sure it's the same section of guttering. Regards Joanne PS "rosemary-tinted" - I'm not sure what you're referring to, Rob. Could you explain? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:53:22 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Blake, poor baby Message-ID: <19981005235322.9559.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Judith says: >Tell me!!! Blake gets exactly the same flack. How true. How unjust. How unfortunate that Avon is stuck in my affections no matter how I try to dislodge him. >We forgive Avon an enormous amount. He was a bastard, Tick. >but a leather-clad, bastard with a seductive, charming smile Tick and cross. I've never been so sure about that smile. Maybe I'm rather too fond of the bit in "Restaurant at the end of the universe" where Douglas Adams says people would be far happier to meet the Ravenous Bug-Blatter Beast of Traal with its mouth in a thin, straight line instead of the usual mass of quivering fangs (or whatever the actual quote is, as I'm at work and don't have the book to quote from). >I drool over Avon, but I don't forget that he's dangerous. How true. Not that you've forgotten what Cally said, in "Terminal", about how useful he is to the others (perish the thought, Judith forgetting anything <smile>). Which, come to think of it, is why I'm prone to forgiving Avon - I would like, at times, to have my own version of his brain. Though I think I'll keep my heart, as I'm not really interested in shrivelling people with a look or a word. Regards Joanne "You gave me your word, you microcephalic apostate!" The Doctor, Timelash ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 17:34:55 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Tarrant, Soolin, damnit, the whole crew if need be! Message-ID: <19981006003456.25129.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Carol said: >Let's put it this way, how comfortable would you be having your life >depend on Vila? <sigh> Not at all. I don't have to be persuaded that Tarrant is far more reliable. It's just that Vila is my antidote to Avon, as he is for my brother (and I have no idea why my brother likes Avon, as I don't think it's the usual female reasons of teeth and/or black leather and/or angst potential <smile>). Pat Fenech lent me "A Ledge Between the Streams" by Judith Seaman, and (my apologies to those yet to read it) I found it impossible for me to like it because an inner voice was screaming, "She killed off Vila, you can't do that!!!". Not a rational reason for disliking anything, I know, but one Vila would be happy with <smile> >>But I think I'd put up with both a lot better than Soolin. >I hope my post didn't suggest I don't like Soolin. I do like her, very >much. No, of course not, Carol. My agreeing with you extends (on occasion <grin>) to Tarrant. I should have made it clear that Soolin wasn't part of that. <sigh> Especially as I can't find a reason to like her, and you so obviously can. A shame for me, in a way, as I'm glad you can appreciate all the characters, even when it's obvious who the special favourite is! >Tarrant's loyalty bordered on suicidal. <splutter> What!?! Oh, sorry, Carol, there must be something contaminating the vanilla-tinted glasses <smile> >>What else can Soolin do except shoot people? >I would count her survival instincts as a second talent Talent? Well, I suppose so, but I think there's a very blurred line between talent and instinct where Soolin's survival is concerned. It seems to me that it's part of what makes her dangerous and, therefore, not wholly divorced from that. Am I making sense? What I think I'm trying to say is that Soolin is useful for as long as she's able to use a gun better than the others and I can't see anything else apart from that to extend that usefulness. >I can only wish you had to go home to vote more often ;-) <very gusty sigh> Don't, Carol. You'd end up with me being incapable of saying anything other than "Down with Little Johnny Howard", which is neither useful nor relevant. There's a Leunig cartoon on the subject of mandates that I wish the Sydney Morning Herald would reprint, not that I think that the Prime Minister would take much notice. Regards Joanne A statesman is a politician who places himself at the service of the nation. A politician is a statesman who places the nation at his service. --Georges Pompidou ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:35:37 -0500 From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] re Double Standards Message-Id: <199810060136.UAA15531@pemberton.magnolia.net> Jackie said: >Perhaps Tarrant never finished his course. Then again, he WAS >Federation trained. Perhaps it was taught that it was accptable to lead >by intimidation - look at how all Federation soldiers behave. This >*intimidation* was what Blake was fighting against, surely? Considering Blake wasn't above using the occasional bit of intimidation himself (see "Bounty"), somehow I don't think that was his goal. >Let us not forget also, that Tarrant deserted the Federation, and became >a mercenary, he would have had to deal with civilians then. What we saw >was not a *Military Man* adjusting to civilians, but a mercenary failing >in becoming top dog (dominant male?? :-)). We saw that Bayban (a >mercenary/pirate) also led by bullying his crew. Tarrant obviously >assumed that because the Liberator crew were high priced outlaws, he >could bully his way into leading the group. Wrong! As I see it, the main reason Tarrant was challenging Avon for leadership is because Avon *wasn't leading*! Frankly, Avon just pissed around for quite a bit of third series. Once Avon finally got around to taking control, Tarrant (mostly) backed down. I didn't see Tarrant jockeying to be top dog, so we're obviously watching two different series here. :-) >BUT, even submariners get to go ashore, or have a crew change while the >boat goes to sea. The crew of the Liberator did not have that luxury, >they lived on board permenantly. They needed a break every now and >again. Which I'm sure would prove marvelously comforting to those crewmembers who ended up dead or captured because Vila fell asleep or got tanked on the job. Sorry, but I'm with Tarrant on this one--Vila needed someone to come down on him now and then. In fact, it wasn't done nearly often enough. Lorna B. "Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 20:12:32 PDT From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Blake, poor baby - an apology Message-ID: <19981006031233.625.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Definitely poor Blake. I title a message about him and Avon hijacks it. Bad, bad, bad Avon. Sorry about that. Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:31:50 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com> Subject: [B7L] costume sale Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1005213150-354Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Richard's in Australia, so I can't update the web page for a couple of days. PLease note that the top bid on items in the costume auction is now 300 pounds for the Dayna outfit and 100 pounds for the Space Princess jacket. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #253 **************************************