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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 26
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha 1/2
[B7L] Pressure Point & Cygnus Alpha
[B7L] Clinton and Avon
re:[B7L] : Harvest of kairos, Average B7age ,etc
re:[B7L]: Harvest of Kairos, etc, etc, stc
[B7L] [Fwd: Blake7 art-Need Someone with Java]
Re: [B7L] Clinton
Re: [B7L] Casting the Young Ones in B7 (was "Carry on Blake")
Re: [B7L] Still more zine list additions
Re: [B7L]
[B7L] Clinton, Avon, Nerdishness, etc.
Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton
re:[B7L] Pressure Point & Cygnus Alpha
re[B7L]: New here with a question. reply
re;[B7L]: Honeymoon
[B7L] B5 & B7
[B7L] OH NO it's politics!
Re: [B7L]: random thoughts and such from the week.
Re: [B7L] Clinton and Avon
Re: [B7L] Casting the Young Ones in B7 (was "Carry on Blake")
[B7L] Cygnus Alpha
Re: [B7L] Secrets of B/A revealed (many replies combined)
Re: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha 1/2
Re: [B7L]
Re: [B7L] : Harvest of kairos, Average B7age ,etc
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:20:57 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha 1/2
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On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Julia Jones wrote:
> >[Artix] a jaded, cynical young man.
> It's a very nice piece of work. One of the things I like about it is
> that it helps to suggest that many people, including Artix, aren't aware
> of how corrupt the Federation is.
I don't read it as being about corruption so much as about having
his ambitions and hopes dashed, the loss of a colleague (even if it was
Raiker), disgust with Leylan's wishy-washiness except on sending the
message that's going to screw his future, and that sort of thing. Varon,
in The Way Back, that was definitely about the corruption of the system.
> The actual presentation was daft, but the general concept - well, look
> at the history of the British colonisation of Australia. Convicts were
> used, because it was a relatively humanitarian way (by the standards of
> the time) of dealing with prison overcrowding, and provided cheap,
> disposable labour that didn't have to be provided with decent food or
> equipment. Most of the free settlers used convicts as slave labour, and
Gerogia was the same...What's different about CA is that there
isn't anything already there to fit the convicts into at the time of
the first shipment. Sending them off to start their own colony, with
the goal of rehabilitation, would require equipment and supplies to
begin with...Oh well, the presentation was indeed daft.
> yes, the slavery included providing sexual services.
Of course. That's the chief, if unacknowledged, perq in any form
of slavery.
Sue
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:05:12 -0000
From: Duncan <duncan@orioneng.co.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Pressure Point & Cygnus Alpha
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Just a thought but last night while watching Pressure Point, after Blake
& Gan teleport down to the rendevous location, they end up in the ruins
of a church. Gan says he doesnt know what that is and Blake replies
with 'a place of religous assembly' and something along the lines of the
federation banning and tearing them down hundereds of years ago.
But Gan had already been in a place of religous assembly (or church!) on
Cygnus Alpha. Maybe that implant was worse than I thought!!
I commend it to the house...
Cheers,
Duncan.
Duncan Murray
duncan@orioneng.co.uk
**Sneer** - Avon, B7
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:35:39 -0800
From: "Adam L. Fuller" <adfuller@ix.netcom.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Clinton and Avon
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>Reuben wrote:
>Boy isn't it fun to kick a man when he's down. I really like the part
>about not disagreeing with George Bush and Bob Dole. They agree on a
>few issues like budget reform, and now it just politics to score
>points. If there has EVER been a President that enjoyed rational
>discourse it is Bill Clinton. The town meeting style discussions with
>the public, and with opponents, the weekly radio talks (ever listen to
>them, very well thought out not just used for scoring points on an
>opponent). The man is all about new ideas. No President since FDR has
>introduced more reform.
It's all an act. He's also a very good actor. I think the problem here is
that you are looking at my opinion of Clinton as an attack on him.
Certainly, this is no attack. I respect him for his political skills and
for being a good, effective president. All I'm saying is that the rational
discussion is just another act in the game of politics with him. It's
really a shame too, because he is a very intelligent man. It was the same
way with Kennedy. Reagan had the desire for power and had a direction,
whether we agree or disagree with it, but his problem was that he wasn't
one of our more intelligent presidents. Jimmy Carter's problem was that he
was all discussion and all intelligence, but had no clear direction or
motivation for power or leadership. I don't think we've ever had a
president, except for maybe Abraham Lincoln, who was a combination of all
the different qualities that go into making a good, intelligent, powerful
president.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Remember, this is still based on Paul
Darrow's comparison of Avon with Clinton. I think this is very necessary to
get to the bottom of that.
-Adam L. Fuller
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:33:18 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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E van Looy wrote:
> Anyway, it is rather a given in a lot of fanfic, that Avon is this efficient
> killermachine if he wants to, which always struck me as an odd reputation for
> a nerd (which was really what he was, canonically speaking).
> Elise
eeeerrrm?!? would you like to duck and run now? while you are still in
one piece? before the Avonites getcha?
Using the term "nerd" to describe "Avon" will get exactly 60 seconds head
start. GO!!
Jackie (frantically lacing up trainers)
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:33:55 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re:[B7L]: Harvest of Kairos, etc, etc, stc
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E van Looy wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-01-24 20:39:05 EST, DCsquared wrote:
>
> << Perhaps he was just alluding to the fact that Clinton is "under attack"
> from
> all sides, and is in essence "fighting for his life". >>
>
> Ooh, Clinton standing in the middle of the Oval Office bathed in flashing red
> lights surrounded by FBI agents. He raises his gun, smiles and steps forward
> to straddle the body of...hmm, maybe we should not go there.
>
> Elise "I'm not signing this one!"
No! No! No! Cut! Cut!
it`s: straddles body, raises gun, then smiles! See? it says so in the
script!
Jackie (the frustrated director)
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:17:01 -0800
From: Donna Randall <kalazar@earthlink.net>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] [Fwd: Blake7 art-Need Someone with Java]
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Hi! A while back I proposed adding B7 artwork to my site and recieved
strong (rightly so) objections. Artists were afraid of the work being
copied. I think I've hit upon a solution, but I need people with Java
enabled browsers to test it. I need someone to view the art and TRY to
download the pixs. I think I've made them impossible to save but it
needs testing. I have a test page on my site that's not connected to
anything so if someone is willing to try, post here or email me and
I'll send the url. Thanks Donna
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:10:52 -0000
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: "Blake's 7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Clinton
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Elise asked:
> << The inclusion of Peter "Prince of Darkness"
> Mandelson in the comparison was probably a bit closer to the mark
though. >>
>
> Now that you mention it, who is that?
If you are British he is the bane of your life! He is the puppet master
behind the so called "new Labour" government. His official title is
Minister without Portfolio, but he really should be called "Minister with
all the portfolios, and you better believe it mate!" When Mandy says
"jump" Blair says "Yes oh master, how high and in what manner?"
Heather 'can't think of a clever quote to go here' Smith
'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:56:19 -0000
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: "Blake's 7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Casting the Young Ones in B7 (was "Carry on Blake")
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John Wrote:
> For Blake try Mike
Nah, for AVON try Mike!
> For Avon try Vyvian
Ignoring the gender, Vyvian has to be Dayna!
Heather 'can't think of a clever quote to go here' Smith
'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:15:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Still more zine list additions
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On Mon 26 Jan, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote:
> FORBIDDEN STAR #2 (UK, 1997.12)
> [And thank you, Julia-- I don't know how I missed that! Maybe it's
> because I wasn't sure whether the date was 1997.12 or 1998.1 and was waiting
> for the copy I just ordered to arrive, so I could check it before I listed
> it, and then forgot to put it in before I sent this out. Is THE LONG WAY
> BACK out yet? It's listed as "forthcoming."]
>
Yes, it's out. Copyright date of this edition is November '97. Full details
on the web page.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:59:02 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]
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> EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!
>
Arrrrrrrrrrrgghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Kathryn runs screaming from the room)
So. One way to bring down the Federation, Avon. Just use Orac to flood
the Fed. Administration with unending torrents of junk mail.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:23:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Clinton, Avon, Nerdishness, etc.
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I have also stopped watching news and reading papers. I
have nothing but contempt for Clinton for not being able to keep
it in his pants, but frankly I don't care. If Hillary doesn't
shoot him, that's her lookout. What grates on me endlessly is
that my tax dollars have supported Ken Starr's inquisition until
FINALLY, how may years later, he comes up with a really bad one.
I defy any politician to survive such a dissection of his life
for that length of time.
As for the final showdown, I'd almost like to see it, if
Bill saved his last shot for a gloating Starr, or even the head
of the Republican Party, which, like a stalker deprived of its
mistress, has engaged in absurd behavior for years, determined
either to have her back (the Presidency), or destroy her.
Now, as for Avon being a nerd -- no, no, don't run, that's
my slide rule, not my gun! Hey, I love Avon as much as next
addict, but I can't deny what he was. The kick for me is in
watching him transform himself from a nerd into a flamboyant
space pirate with delusions of grandeur, while all the while
underneath is that poor, scared nerd who just wants to be safe.
And I don't think Avon wants power over others. He just
wants the power to be free of following orders, or being subject
to threat by others. Or am I unconsciously declaring my own
fondest wishes? Never mind.
Patti
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:22:36 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Harvest of Kairos, Average B7 Age, Clinton
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On Sun, Jan 25, 1998 at 05:26:54PM -0500, E van Looy wrote:
> In a message dated 98-01-24 16:11:40 EST, Lisa wrote:
>
> << I don't see Avon as wanting power at all. *Servalan* wants power. *Avon*
> wants to be left the hell alone. Power carries responsibility, and having
> to deal with people. Servalan doesn't mind that; Avon does.
>
> Wanting to escape from being in the power of others doesn't equate to
> wanting power over others for yourself. >>
>
> I don't know. It is true that Avon kept telling everyone he wanted to be left
> alone, but he did seem to enjoy the odd powergame himself (notably with
> Servalan). And then there was all this bragging about how he could kill people
> with one hand tied behind his back, and all that. Now you're going to want
> specific examples from the series and I can't really think of one right now.
>
> Anyway, it is rather a given in a lot of fanfic, that Avon is this efficient
> killermachine if he wants to, which always struck me as an odd reputation for
> a nerd (which was really what he was, canonically speaking).
NO NO NO NO!
* Avon does not want power. Duelling verbally with Servalan does not
equal wanting power. Avon wants to be left in peace and safety, but he's
come to the conclusion that he such a wanted man that winning is the only
safety he's going to get. Because otherwise he's simply not going to be
left alone.
* Avon never brags about how he could kill people with one hand tied
behind his back - too right I demand chapter and verse. That isn't to
say that Avon isn't good at exuding menace; but he does that so that he
*won't* have to kill people.
* Avon the efficient killer machine in fanfic. Well, it's bad fanfic,
then. *Particularly* "Avon - a Terrible Aspect" which is completely
inconsistent with the series, for all it was written by Paul Darrow.
Avon was a civilized man. But he's also an intelligent man, very
efficient at learning what he needs to learn in order to survive.
So, he learned how to use a gun; but I'm pretty sure that before the
Liberator he didn't hardly ever touch the things (with the exception
of the gun he used to kill the fellow with the visas, but remember Avon
was shot himself - he could well have used the fellow's own gun on him,
rather than bringing a gun to the meet himself.)
The other point is, try to avoid using fanfic as evidence in a debate
about a character. Fanfic is someone's interpretation of what was seen on
the screen. Fanfic is a source of interpretations, not a source of
evidence.
* Avon cannonically a nerd? You mean a geek, don't you? Not a nerd.
No-one that sexy could be a nerd. (evil grin)
Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mellanby: No, Dayna, no! Will you never understand? We take life only in
the last extreme.
Dayna: They look fairly extreme to me.
(Blake's 7: Aftermath [C01])
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:26:25 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re:[B7L] Pressure Point & Cygnus Alpha
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Duncan wrote:
>
> Just a thought but last night while watching Pressure Point, after Blake
> & Gan teleport down to the rendevous location, they end up in the ruins
> of a church. Gan says he doesnt know what that is and Blake replies
> with 'a place of religous assembly' and something along the lines of the
> federation banning and tearing them down hundereds of years ago.
>
> But Gan had already been in a place of religous assembly (or church!) on
> Cygnus Alpha. Maybe that implant was worse than I thought!!
>
> I commend it to the house...
You can`t really compare Vargas` organisation with proper religion.
With Vargas, you followed him absolutely, or he had you killed. That`s
not true religion, that`s a dictatorship.
So I suppose it is natural for Gan to be confused.
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:26:45 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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I don`t know whether you meant to send this to me personally, but I will
address my reply to the list.
ShilLance wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-01-21 07:42:53 EST, you write:
>
> << The Scorpio was too small to live on permenantly, so the crew were
> basically planet bound. It was inevitable that eventually they would walk
> into a Federation trap of one sort or another. >>
>
> Of course, they could have played it safe and layed low for awhile. Season
> one Avon would have taken this option, especially with no Blake around.
>
> Shil
In the start of series 4, they tried to do just that.
In "Rescue", Dorien rescued them from Terminal, which was becoming deadly
with all the volcanic/earthquake activity set off by Servalan`s booby
trap.
"Power" mainly deals with trying to get at Scorpio, otherwise they would
have been reduced to "eating nuts and berries" (ie most people need
transport to do the shopping).
It implies in "Traitor" that they have been laying low for while, and
watching the rapid expansion of the federation via Orac. After all it
must have taken Servalan some time to rise through the ranks to the
position of power that Sleer has. It is sheer bad luck that the
Federations` expansion has had Servalan behind it -and that she was
actually "out in the field" when Dayna and Tarrant were there.
Once Avon knew that Servalan was alive, and that she knew they were
alive, they needed something a lot more powerfull than Scorpio`s current
spex to keep them alive.
From then on they tried to recruit specialists (Animals, Headhunter);
improve Scorpio`s performance, and their defence/attack capability
(Stardrive, Sand, Games, Orbit, Warlord); as well as survive (Assassin),
all this needs funding (Gold).
Is it any wonder the luck ran out with "unlucky 13" (Blake)?
Bye for now
Jackie
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:27:17 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote:
>
> David Dangermouse McIntee said about Redemption 99:
> "Hmm. This sounds like it might be a fun place for a
> honeymoon."
>
> Shall we put you down for a double room then? One problem,
> if you are on honeymoon, how are you going to find the time to
> be on a panel?
While his new missis is: powdering her nose?, catching her breath?,
sleeping?, eating?, watching his panel? on the panel herself?
Congrats, by the way.
Jackie
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:38 -0000
From: "Sam" <sam@slade.softnet.co.uk>
To: "Blakes7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B5 & B7
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PatP said
>> Babylon 5 did not learn the lesson and continues to drag on long =
after the plotline=20
>> (the Shadow War) ended. Quitting while I'm ahead.
Some of my friends have wondered if the guy behind Babylon 5 - J Michael =
Straczynski - might not have been involved in role playing games in his =
youth. B5 was written with a plot line over several series. Very much =
like a referee would plan an long term campaign for a fantasy role =
playing game.
Remarkably well done. Other writers/producers please take note.
Imagine if Blakes 7 had been written in a similar way. What would that =
have been like?
Sam
sam@slade.softnet.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:13:52 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] OH NO it's politics!
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Ahhhh! I've stepped into a nightmare!
What the heck....Bob Dole, Clinton....are my eyes deceiving me?
I thought this was the one place I could escape from the horror of men
controlling the government and their unappealing lives. Meaning no
disrespect, of course, since PD did mention Bill Clinton, but do I have to
read his name in these messages?.....argh..it makes me nauseated....
For my opinion, I don't think PD did put much thought into that response
in the first place. I seemed to get the impression he was imparting some
light humor.
Grace Robbins
robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu
http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:14:41 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]: random thoughts and such from the week.
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Alex said -
> 6. Speaking of work...
> Can anyone recommend any good science fiction novels? I work at a Barnes
> and Nobel and I feel I should try to read some of the less-well-known
> authors in that genre (as it's where I work in the bookstore). Once
again,
> that one can be private e-mail, although I don't think it's too far
afield
> for the list.
I hope people do post on this one because I want to hear what other list
members are reading. I must say I love Sf and *hate* all fantasy.
I was just talking on the other list about Coelestis by Paul Park. That's
obscure and I loved it. John Barnes (not the footie player) is very dark so
B7 fans might like him. Incidentally has anyone read 'Mother of Storms' by
him. That has a brilliant politician, who is more or less single handedly
saving the USA in its darkest hour, but is addicted to horrible paedophile
snuff movies. It kind of takes the Clinton thing to its ultimate extent -
making the man much better and worse than Clinton. Is it worth the
sacrifice of a few girls to save a country of two hundred million - I don't
think so, but he certainly dramatises the issue.
Alison
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:12:20 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: adfuller@IX.NETCOM.COM, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Clinton and Avon
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Let's just drop the Clinton thing. Paul Darrow has been known to compare Avon
to characters that had no similiarity to the computer expert, most notably
Dirty Harry, and it only serves to emphasize that his concept of the Avon
character was different from that of many fans...and possibly the writers.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:17:26 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Casting the Young Ones in B7 (was "Carry on Blake")
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Blake = Mike 'I've got it all sorted fellas'
Neil = Cally 'like, why do I always have to operate the teleporter'
Rik = Avon 'honestly, Neil, can't you just grow up'
Vyvyan = Servalan 'I am going to hurt you very badly, right now'
Unfortunately this leaves my dear Vila as the much abused hamster, Special
Patrol Group
Alison
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:26:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha
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The worst thing about Vargas is his lack of decent
footwear. Or, perhaps, the footwear was required to be of the
washable trainer type since Vargas' followers WERE required to
kiss feet, unlike Blake's "followers" on the Liberator. I
deliberately use quotes in spite of a certain admitted
nervousness at the thought of the Blake Police (nearly as
dangerous, one hears, as the Tarrant Nostra). I submit that
Vila became a "follower" to keep from dying on Cygnus Alpha.
Gan has once again lost a woman he loved, and might as well
follow Blake as anything. Jenna is "smitten" besides being
deeply in love with a ship. And Avon? He doesn't see any
viable alternative at the moment. By the time he does, Blake
has become too important to him to function properly without
him.
Back to the topic. Yeah, the time period is irritatingly
off, and best ignored. The editing of the fight is absurd.
That's very good about Vargas being the Federation in small.
As for how they survived, there being no more than 500
people, I always figured the *sacrifices* were eaten.
Jenna's bond with Zen was always something I wanted to do
a story about. I just never figured out a decent plot. Except
I did have this idea that Jenna might have "felt" it when Zen
died, which might have contributed to her willingness to
sacrifice herself on GP, if that's where she in fact died.
Anyhow, if anyone has written this, please let me know, so I
can read it.
Poor Jenna always seems to be demonized, left out, or
marginalized in fanfic. Too bad the writers of the show missed
the boat on her and Cally.
This entire analysis of Cygnus Alpha was well-thought-out
and so useful, I've kept it for future reference. Thanks, Sue!
Patti
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:18:05 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Secrets of B/A revealed (many replies combined)
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In message <Pine.OSF.3.95.980126084555.22675I-100000@alpha.bgsu.edu>,
NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu> writes
>On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Julia Jones wrote:
>
>> Well, I probably could if I went through my notes for the "touching"
>> lists I've been doing on Space City (and I apologise to the citizens for
>
> Some people here might be interested in seeing those lists as
>well...
Nag the keeper of the Fanfic Resources page. They will eventually show
up there, along with the touches other people have noted along the way.
Otherwise wait until I've got a reasonably coherent collection, and I'll
post them one a day or something.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:28:42 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cygnus Alpha 1/2
Message-ID: <sjDrZIAqPOz0Ew3T@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <Pine.OSF.3.95.980126091308.22675L-100000@alpha.bgsu.edu>,
NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu> writes
>On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Julia Jones wrote:
>
>> >[Artix] a jaded, cynical young man.
>> It's a very nice piece of work. One of the things I like about it is
>> that it helps to suggest that many people, including Artix, aren't aware
>> of how corrupt the Federation is.
>
> I don't read it as being about corruption so much as about having
>his ambitions and hopes dashed, the loss of a colleague (even if it was
>Raiker), disgust with Leylan's wishy-washiness except on sending the
>message that's going to screw his future, and that sort of thing.
Oh, I liked that as well. It was just that Artix is one of the few
"members of the general Earth population" we see, rather than rebels or
administration figures, and he doesn't seem to be aware at the start of
the voyage that there is a teensyweensy problem with the system of
government.
>
>> The actual presentation was daft, but the general concept - well, look
>> at the history of the British colonisation of Australia. Convicts were
>> used, because it was a relatively humanitarian way (by the standards of
>> the time) of dealing with prison overcrowding, and provided cheap,
>> disposable labour that didn't have to be provided with decent food or
>> equipment. Most of the free settlers used convicts as slave labour, and
>
> Gerogia was the same...What's different about CA is that there
>isn't anything already there to fit the convicts into at the time of
>the first shipment. Sending them off to start their own colony, with
>the goal of rehabilitation, would require equipment and supplies to
>begin with...Oh well, the presentation was indeed daft.
>
We really need someone who's done Australian history more recently than
I have, but IIRC, they started with a boatload of convicts, soldiers to
guard them, and just enough provisions and tools to get them through
until next harvest. In theory transportation was an alternative to the
death penalty - in practice it was a cheap way to colonise a continent
before some other European power did.
I was doing the colonisation period in school history classes when I
first saw CA - the parallel struck me at the time. Even if the
presentation was utterly naff. It's the wonky timeline in the episode
that really has me fascinated, and that's not just the question of what
B, J and A where doing for four months.
>
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:08:46 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]
Message-ID: <88GfOBA+dRz0EwE1@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <19980126205902.38486@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
>On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 08:33:46AM +0100, a882ws wrote:
>> Authenticated sender is <a882ws@flash.net>
>> Subject: Monday
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
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>>
>> EMAIL MARKETING WORKS!!
>>
>Arrrrrrrrrrrgghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>(Kathryn runs screaming from the room)
>
>So. One way to bring down the Federation, Avon. Just use Orac to flood
>the Fed. Administration with unending torrents of junk mail.
>
Bagged for use in the proposed Space City game of Paranoia at
Deliverence :-)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:33:13 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] : Harvest of kairos, Average B7age ,etc
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In message <34CD395E.3296@termlow.co.uk>, Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
writes
>E van Looy wrote:
>
>> Anyway, it is rather a given in a lot of fanfic, that Avon is this efficient
>> killermachine if he wants to, which always struck me as an odd reputation for
>> a nerd (which was really what he was, canonically speaking).
>> Elise
>
>eeeerrrm?!? would you like to duck and run now? while you are still in
>one piece? before the Avonites getcha?
>Using the term "nerd" to describe "Avon" will get exactly 60 seconds head
>start. GO!!
>
Hmm. He did start as a nerd. Definitely a nerd. He might even have
stayed a nerd if he hadn't been played by an actor with ambitions to be
Clint Eastwood. I think it took Paul about one and a half episodes to
start noticably converting Avon into something slightly different.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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