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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 280
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Closed loops
[B7L] Re:religion debate
[B7L] B7 characters and sermons
Re: [B7L] religion in the B7 universe
Re: [B7L] Technophilia
[B7L] Manipulation
[B7L] Re Religion
Re: [B7L] Bibliophagy (?) and enlightenment
[B7L] ADMIN: List stoppage
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 16:24:38 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Closed loops
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Leah quoted:
>"Hellenized name (Greek pronounciation) of the Middle Eastern >archaic
god Tammuz, traditional Dying Savior of the jerusalem cult >(Ezekiel
8:14), whose rites were supplanted by those of Jesus. >Tammuz then
became Doubting Thomas, challenging Jesus's claim >to authentic
apotheosis and resurrection in the flesh. He refused to >believe in his
rival's return from death until he had probed his >wounds. Then,
Thomas/Tammuz announced his acceptance of >Jesus as "my Lord and my God"
(John 20:20)--or so the Gospel >would have it.
...And that takes us back, practically, to the beginning of the
discussion - assimilation of religious beliefs. Leah's probably right -
time to stop, or we'll have one of those time loops going, a la Doctor
Who or Red Dwarf.
It doesn't seem to have been something that affected Blake's 7, however,
unless you count the timewarp factor in watching people in flared
trousers. Sartorially, things started looking much better when Avon and
others started wearing boots instead of shoes <grin> Though I wish Jenna
had tucked those flares into her boots, when she changed into new
clothing for the first time on the Liberator. On second thoughts, boots
like those wouldn't leave much room for leg with flares that wide!
Regards
Joanne
I *know* I could be really good
if I had a private loch and bog
away from the other hermits' cells.
Colman and his bloody bells
disrupt my praying. I can see
his candles burn across the bay
more hours than mine. It drives me wild,
so crowded are these blessed isles
with would-be saints who all deny
the flesh in more outrageous ways.
I want to be indifferent as stone.
I demand to be holy all on my own.
--Gwyneth Lewis, "Hermits".
(PS I subjected you to the whole poem because it sounds a bit like dear
old Avon, really - the supposed preference for his own company, and the
reluctance to think himself anyone's inferior. Any comments?)
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:15:57 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:religion debate
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I haven't jumped in on this yet (mainly cos I'm a bit busy) but it is
getting confusing cos some of it has moved to the spin list and some is
still hanging about here. Can I ask that anything not directly related
to B7 goes to the spin list so we can have a good row without upsetting
the rest of the bods.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:52:48 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
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A little while ago, Joanne posted some thoughts on how certain characters
would react to a sermon, but she left a few people out. Here's my idea of how
they would react.
Tarrant would probably be doing his military best not to fidget during
a sermon, especially a long one, and Dayna would BE fidgeting before it
was over, unless they were genuinely intrigued by what the preacher had
to say (unlikely, though) :-) Jenna probably wouldn't have set foot in
a church in the first place. Gan would probably listen with attention,
whether or not he agreed; he struck me as being very polite in that
sense. Orac would probably consider it a waste of his valuable time.
Tiger M
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:50:20 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] religion in the B7 universe
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Pat Patera wrote:
>Would any judge or citizen care one whit whether those "hangers on"
>*believed* in the James brothers professed desire to give the bank gold to
>poor widows?
Where on earth does the idea come from that the James brothers had any
professed desire to give bank gold to poor widows?
- Lisa
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:09:10 +1000
From: "Taina Nieminen" <taina@netspace.net.au>
To: "B7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Technophilia
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>I guess that they do it because they are professionals. Otherwise they
>would be called "Clone Undergraduates". :)
>
>}<("> Todd Girdler <")>{
If they were Clone Undergraduates, they could have Clone toga parties with
Julius Caesar as a guest of honour.
Taina
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Is there a mind/body problem?
And if so, which is it better to have?
- Woody Allen
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:22:18 PST
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Manipulation
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Taina:
>And I believe that he is manipulating them with his video recording
>in Trial (maybe it's the Avon in me). But I think the latter is a
>matter of perception, and I may well be more cynical than most
>people.
Well, certainly he was manipulating his crew with his video recording.
That's Blake, you see. Manipulating people is what he's good at.
Manipulating people is what he *does*. All the time.
Was he sincere, though? Sure, he was sincere. He gave the crew every
chance to turn around and get their tails out of there. That's why his
manipulation was so expertly done: it *had* to be, because his life
depended on it.
-- Rob
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:02:48 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re Religion
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John Werry said about Avon:
>once the Prophet (profit???) has departed ... he still
>believes and acts albeit cynically ((which one of the
> disciples was a former tax collector???).
Matthew. aka Levi.
>To me - Gan is the most "buddhist" - "action without question"
Hey, that was what David Jackson said at Deliverance, wasn't it?
Harriet
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:14:38 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Bibliophagy (?) and enlightenment
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From: Julia Jones >
>Totally off-topic, I know - but I *have* seen a bible small enough to
>swallow whole. I haven't seen it since I was a wee small thing, so this
>is from memory, but roughly an inch high, semi-hardback
<snip>
>Some sort
>of novelty item, possibly late Victorian? Now I think about it, it was
>the sort of expensive trinket you might find in an expensive set of
>Christmas crackers.
I think I saw one like this once in a gift shop at Flamborough Head.
Julie Horner
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Date: 09 Nov 1998 10:02:13 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
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Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: List stoppage
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The list has been silent for a while, because of Lysator's mail server
feeling sickly. It seems to be feeling better now.
--
Calle Dybedahl, qdtcall@esavionics.se, http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
"I think quotes are very dangerous things." -- KaTe Bush
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