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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 292
Today's Topics:
[B7L] B7 radio play
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
[B7L] How much time passes?
[B7L] Voyager and B7
Re: [B7L] Voyager and B7
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
[B7L] Archetypes was Re: Voyager and B7
[B7L]UK Gold December
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:13:50 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B7 radio play
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Jacqueline Pearce said at Peladon this weekend that the BBC B7 radio
play will not be going out until May (it was scheduled for next month).
Diane Gies of Horizon said she'd double check on this.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:28:09 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "cm or hg" <cmhm@bellsouth.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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> > Hey, whats so bad about Voyager?
Is that a serious question?
I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of Jeri
Taylor and Brannon Braga...
I mean, look at how they've basically removed Tuvok.
Look at how season five has a bloody kid in every thrid episode...
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:07:06 -0600
From: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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>From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
>To: "cm or hg" <cmhm@bellsouth.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
>Date: Sun, Nov 22, 1998, 1:28 PM
>
>>
>> > Hey, whats so bad about Voyager?
>
>Is that a serious question?
>
>I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of Jeri
>Taylor and Brannon Braga...
>
Something, I've heard you can't talk about certain aspects of?
>I mean, look at how they've basically removed Tuvok.
>
>Look at how season five has a bloody kid in every thrid episode...
>
Hey isn't the key to sucess for a sci-fi series having an adorable kid and a
cute robot;-)
No seriously. I feel real bad about not liking Voyager, because I really
adore most other Trek, but Voyager has such consistantly bad stories (I
watched the 100th episode with awe, this would be perfect for MST3K),
charecters that are near imposible to care about (please let the whole crew
die, I was really rooting for them getting stuck in the ice for eternity).
Nah, it's amazing that the same people that turn out the quality early and
late DS9 stuff can turn up such utter crap.
Reuben
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:21:04 -0000
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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>this would be perfect for MST3K),
Look, I know I'm really thick an' all, but I keep hearing about 'MST3K', and
I've got no *idea* what it is! Would anyone like to put me out of my
misery?
Heather.
'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:28:59 -0600 (EST)
From: Tegan Brandi <tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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On Sun, 22 Nov 1998, Heather Smith wrote:
> >this would be perfect for MST3K),
>
> Look, I know I'm really thick an' all, but I keep hearing about 'MST3K', and
> I've got no *idea* what it is! Would anyone like to put me out of my
> misery?
Mystery Science Theatre 3000.
The basic premise of the show is that this janitor is on this ship as it
gets launched into space, and the evil people who own the ship decide to
play really horrible movies to see how long the janitor can last. To keep
himself complany, the janitor builds a few robots out of spare parts (like
a gumball machine or a vacuum cleaner) and 2 of them go into the movie
theatre with them where they sit there and heckle the movies.
> 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
> -The fourth Doctor
and on a completely different note, i absolutely love that quote. :)
tegan (*)
tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu
http://goddess.coe.missouri.edu/~tegan
"Captain, we're sorry. We thought you were dead."
"I was. I'm better now."
- Drazi spokesman and Sheridan, The Summoning
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:29:11 -0600
From: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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>From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
>To: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
>Date: Sun, Nov 22, 1998, 3:21 PM
>
>>this would be perfect for MST3K),
>
>Look, I know I'm really thick an' all, but I keep hearing about 'MST3K', and
>I've got no *idea* what it is! Would anyone like to put me out of my
>misery?
>Mystery Science Theatre 300. It's a show where two robots and a guy watch
really bad movies and make fun of them. Very clever insightful stuff. It
shows here in the US on the scifi channel. There is also a movie that
should be available for rent at most larger video store. In eupoe, as I
understand, it airs on the European Sci-Fi channel. Well worth checking out.
Reuben
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:54:01 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] How much time passes?
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How much time passes between the beginning and the end of the series?
I was reading the 1997 archives of this list
(when I get obsessed, baby, I do it _right_) and read
something which suggested "at least" 13 years, and
without giving it any thought this struck me as being
about right. But reading further this is by _far_ the
highest estimate I've seen. The consensus seems to be
somewhere under seven years, and that's _including_
the mumble*cough*mumble months taken to get to Cygnus
Alpha. There was a discussion earlier in '98 that looked
promising but it deteriorated into a debate about velocity.
And I'm not talking about velocity here, I try not
to think about v > c, it hurts my brain.
Although it occurs to me that's the very reason why I
was quite happy up till now not to even ask the question -
once one violates the sanctity of "c", one can't really
expect loyalty from "t"...
Hmm, so maybe my mistake is _assuming_ "t" is inviolate.
But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce.
I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six
or seven years. How 'bout you?
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:04:53 EST
From: SuzanThoms@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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<<In a message dated 11/22/98 1:30:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
reuben@reuben.net writes:
<< Mystery Science Theatre 3000. It's a show where two robots and a guy watch
really bad movies and make fun of them. Very clever insightful stuff. It
shows here in the US on the scifi channel. There is also a movie that
should be available for rent at most larger video store. In eupoe, as I
understand, it airs on the European Sci-Fi channel. Well worth checking out.
>>
Yes!!! Hysterically funny and cleverly written with some ROFL!! oneliners
you'll never forget.
Suzanne
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:18:19 -0600
From: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Voyager and B7
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>From: SuzanThoms@aol.com
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: [B7L] Voyager and B7
>Date: Sun, Nov 22, 1998, 5:04 PM
>
><<In a message dated 11/22/98 1:30:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>reuben@reuben.net writes:
>
><< Mystery Science Theatre 3000. It's a show where two robots and a guy watch
> really bad movies and make fun of them. Very clever insightful stuff. It
> shows here in the US on the scifi channel. There is also a movie that
> should be available for rent at most larger video store. In eupoe, as I
> understand, it airs on the European Sci-Fi channel. Well worth checking out.
>>>
>
>Yes!!! Hysterically funny and cleverly written with some ROFL!! oneliners
>you'll never forget.
>
and filmed in Minnesota, I took a studi otour it was great! I live in River
Falls, Wi. the same town where Mike Nelson (the lead in the series) flunked
out of. He usually comes through town every few months to have a beer down
at Emma's bar. I've seen him there a few times.
Reuben
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:35:11 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Heather wrote:
> <snip> got me thinking about similarities between characters and I came up
> with these:
You could find these basic character types on many "team" shows, just
because there are only so many archetypes to choose from: the warrior,
the technician, the strongman, the beauty, the mystic, the leader, and
of course, the "everyman" character who frequently provides comic
relief.
> Avon and 7 of 9 - intelligent, sexy, pragmatic, logical, cynical etc.
I kinda like this one! 7 pouts, A snarls. What a bad-tempered tea party
those two would have.
> Gan and Neelix - now, now there is no / in there - I just mean both characters
> seem to be peaceful and get along with just about anyone:)
I would align Neelix with Vila - the "everyman" characters.
Gan is the "strongman." Generally, this character is needed in pre-tech
fantasy adventure (to heave aside rocks, trees, etc.) but is not needed
in space adventure, because blasters, teleports, etc. do those jobs.
Anyone want to do a full chart of character archetypes? Such as:
Leader Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil
Blakes 7 Blake Dayna Cally Avon Gan Jenna Vila Servie
Lord/Rings Aragon Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Arwen Sam Sauron
Bab 5 Sheridan Ivanov Delen Garibaldi shields Talia (name?) Shadows
Pat P
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:58:46 -0600 (EST)
From: Tegan Brandi <tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Archetypes was Re: Voyager and B7
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Pat P declared:
> Anyone want to do a full chart of character archetypes? Such as:
>
> Leader Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil
> Blakes 7 Blake Dayna Cally Avon Gan Jenna Vila Servie
>
> Lord/Rings Aragon Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Arwen Sam Sauron
>
> Bab 5 Sheridan Ivanov Delenn Garibaldi shields Talia (name?) Shadows
Using these archetypes, I agree with your listings for B7. SInce there is
no Tarrant nor Soolin, are we to assume they are beyond categorization?
*g*
for the B5 comparisons, I think that I would throw Franklin into the
Technic area, as he's always playing with those alien techno-thingies in
MedLab. That would put Garibaldi in the Everyman position, which suits him
perfectly: he's the one you identify with because he's screwed up soooooo
many times. :) Plus there's the wonderful shift for Londo from Everyman
to Evil Leader, and G'Kar from Warrior to Mystic....
Alas, I have not read Lord of the Rings yet. It's on my list of "things
I'm going to after graduation" (28 days; yay!).
tegan (*)
tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu
http://goddess.coe.missouri.edu/~tegan
Floyd is dead; he's nothing but a ripple
Cause Milly took that paper and sliced him on the nipple
-Phish, Fee
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:19:37 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Steve said :
>According to Cult Times, these are the B7 episodes being shown on UK
>Gold in December. The scheduling gets stranger and stranger.
>Saturday 5th, 2.05am: A1 The Way Back (yes, I do mean late Friday night)
>Sunday 6th, 7.50am: C1 Aftermath
>Sunday 13th, 7.35am: C2 Powerplay
>Saturday 18th, 1.25am: A2 Space Fall (again, Friday night)
>Sunday 20th, 7.35am: C3 Volcano
>Sunday 20th, 8.30am: C3 Volcano (again)
Looks like they are not waiting to go all the way through before they
start another re-run.
But Sunday 20th - bizarre!
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:19:57 -0000
From: "Fifitrix" <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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>> Hey, whats so bad about Voyager?
<snip>
Nothing! I happen to own all of the ones released here in the UK on tape
and Voyager kicks butt. I would say that I had to watch several on the
first series before I was completely hooked though.
<big snip>
>Avon and 7 of 9 - intelligent, sexy, pragmatic, logical, cynical etc.
>Blake and Janeway - moralistic, determined, bossy (I bet that will start
trouble:)
actually no - I'd agree
>Orac and The Doctor - "computers" with an attitude, opinionated, always
right - I
>could
> imagine those going at it non stop!
Yep !
>Vila and any attractive passive female character on the Holodeck - (bet
I'll get
>in
> trouble for that too)
you're stretching it here......I don't know that there is one character who
is a direct correlation of Vila - maybe Seska but she's more devious and
nasty which Vila isn't.
>Tarrant and Torres (female engineer) - impulsive, reckless at times,
confident,
I could see that
>Callie and Chakotay - spiritual, mystical, both were "rebels" at one time
Yes - BUT - Callie is more closed and Chakotay is more open. Also Chakotay
isn't an alien and Callie was often seen as an outsider which Chakotay
isn't.
>Zen and Tubak (the Vulcan) - monotone, logical, accepting, makes you think
of
>philosophy
hmmm.....its Tuvok the Vulcan. maybe. not sure about this.
>Dayna and Lt Paris (the Pilot) - can imagine them playing Captain Proton
games on
>the Holodeck
<grin!>
>Gan and Neelix - now, now there is no / in there - I just mean both
characters
>seem to be
> peaceful and get along with just about anyone:)
eeek. nice try - scraping the barrel now I think.
>
>What do you all think - or have I just been watching Voyager too much:)
>
>Heather
I'd agree - I would say though that Gan would be more of a personality match
for Harry Kim except for Gan's limiter
I am aware that there are many Voyager haters on this list. I would like to
say that I have enjoyed the snipes at the characters and in the main would
say that they are not without merit.
But I still like Voyager anyway. If I was afraid of being considered weird
for liking something that other people hate then I wouldn't be a Blakes 7
fan either.
ya boo sucks to you!
Fifitrix
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