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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 293

Today's Topics:
	 RE: [B7L] Archetypes was Re: Voyager and B7
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 Re: [B7L] How much time passes?
	 [B7L] Catching up
	 Re: [B7L] How much time passes?
	 [B7L] Archetypes
	 Re: [B7L] Catching up
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 [B7L] Videos Availble in North America
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 [B7L]Christmas Shopping
	 Re: [B7L]Christmas Shopping
	 Re: [B7L] Archetypes
	 [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)
	 [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7)
	 [B7L] Re: How much time passes?
	 Re: [B7L]Christmas Shopping
	 [B7L] series length
	 [B7L] charateristix
	 [B7L] star wars
	 Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)
	 Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)
	 Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)
	 Re: [B7L] series length
	 Re: [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7)
	 Re: [B7L] Defending Blake's honor
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:28:54 -0000
From: "Gregory Graham" <greg@geharris.co.uk>
To: "Tegan Brandi" <tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Archetypes was Re: Voyager and B7
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I like to added the Jenna/Tarrant slide into a Scout/Ranger archetype which
translates to Pilot in SF.  Because B7 has fantasy and SF archetypes they
need a Scout (Vila) and a Pilot (Jenna/Tarrant).  Han Solo is another
example of the pilot archetype.  ST doesn't have any because they use big
navy ships though I do remember Picard showing off in a mine field once...

Pilots don't generally last long without great special effects.  Also
they're often gung-ho and crash into a planet.  Aragon, Luke Skywalker and
Tarrant survive by changing to Leader, Warrior/Mystic, and Warrior (and
Beauty?).  Han Solo might not have made to the last movie with the carbonite
freeze :)


Greg
As always comments, from this person may not reflect upon reality,
let alone GE Harris UK Ltd

-----Original Message-----
From: Tegan Brandi [mailto:tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu]
Sent: 23 November 1998 13:59
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Archetypes was Re: Voyager and B7


Pat P declared:

> Anyone want to do a full chart of character archetypes? Such as:
>
> 	        Leader 	Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil
> Blakes 7	Blake	Dayna	Cally  Avon   	Gan    Jenna  Vila    Servie
>
> Lord/Rings	Aragon	Faramir	Gandalf Elrond Boromir 	Arwen	Sam  Sauron
>
> Bab 5		Sheridan Ivanov Delenn Garibaldi shields Talia (name?) Shadows

Using these archetypes, I agree with your listings for B7. SInce there is
no Tarrant nor Soolin, are we to assume they are beyond categorization?
*g*

for the B5 comparisons, I think that I would throw Franklin into the
Technic area, as he's always playing with those alien techno-thingies in
MedLab. That would put Garibaldi in the Everyman position, which suits him
perfectly: he's the one you identify with because he's screwed up soooooo
many times. :) Plus there's the wonderful shift for Londo from Everyman
to Evil Leader, and G'Kar from Warrior to Mystic....

Alas, I have not read Lord of the Rings yet. It's on my list of "things
I'm going to after graduation" (28 days; yay!).

tegan (*)
tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu
http://goddess.coe.missouri.edu/~tegan

              Floyd is dead; he's nothing but a ripple
              Cause Milly took that paper and sliced him on the nipple
                 -Phish, Fee

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:14:47 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-11-23 13:26:37 EST, you write:

<< But I still like Voyager anyway.  If I was afraid of being considered weird
 for liking something that other people hate then I wouldn't be a Blakes 7
 fan either. >>


   I'm glad someone likes the show, though I'm not one of them. I can
sympathise with you a bit, being a DS9 fan since it's beginning. Fortunately,
liking a show others don't doesn't disqualify you from another fandom.:-)
   The problem with Voyager is that the writers have never figured out what to
do with the characters, or for that matter, with the series as a whole.
Watching the show I am always aware I am watching actors playing a role. I
cannot sink into the universe the writers are attempting to create.
   Whereas with DS9, B5, and B7 the characters are very alive to me. I don't
know if others feel the same way, but that's how I see it.      D. Rose

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:42:10 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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> From: Reuben <reuben@reuben.net>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
> Date: 22 November 1998 21:07
> >I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of
Jeri
> >Taylor and Brannon Braga...
> >
> Something, I've heard you can't talk about certain aspects of?

What can't I talk about? Jeri shagging Beltran or Brannon being a notorious
plagiarist?

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:12:08 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
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In a message dated 11/22/98 4:55:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pdreadful@hotmail.com writes:

> But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce.
>  I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six
>  or seven years. How 'bout you?

I can believe the 6-7 years, mainly because of the overwhelming odds against
our favorite rebels.  Sooner rather than later I'd expect the odds to catch up
with them.

The only canonical references to time that I can currently recall are the 8
months to Cygnus Alpha and the reference in "Stardrive" that suggested it took
place approximately three years after the Andromedan War.

We've been reviewing eps in the Tarrant APA and I noticed something to suggest
that some time might have passed between "Rumours" and "Ultraworld."  In
Rumours there is talk of how the weakened Federation was vulnerable to
rebellion.  In Ultraworld Tarrant notes that Servalan's empire is expanding
rather quickly.  So between the two, the Federation not only recovered but it
began to expand again.  Maybe Servalan's experience in the cellar encouraged
her to make strengthening the Federation a priority.

Carol Mc

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:23:55 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Catching up
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Judith R., thanks for the Horizon Newsflash on Guards! Guards!  I appreciate
all of the updates even if I can't do much more than anticipate reports on the
events that I can't get to myself.

Speaking of which, did anyone go to Brian Croucher's one-man show?  I was
hoping to see reports on that.

Gail G. wrote:

> So it all has to do with those curls.  I have to admit, I have
>  never properly admired them.  I've been too blinded by Avon's charm.  But,
I
>  shall try to be more properly appreciative in the future!

We are grateful that you shall give Toothsomes a try.  Think of it in Avon
terms: "He's good material, is Tarrant.  One of the best." (Traitor)

Katrina, that was a nifty little young Vila story.  You even made reference to
his ability to resist conditioning.  

Steve, thanks for passing along the news that the next B7 radio play might be
delayed.  :(  I've been looking forward to it.  Are you going to tell us
anything more about the convention?

Joanne asked:

> Carol, whose bloodstains are those? Not mine, I hope <grovel>

Not yours...yet. ;-)  It's good to keep the possibility in mind. 
What did you think of "Sevenfold Crown"?  I've decided that I can forgive all
of its weaknesses because I like the high angst quotient.  

Carol Mc

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:25:18 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Roll-Pickering <tr3@ukc.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] How much time passes?
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:12:08 EST Mac4781@aol.com wrote:

> > But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce.
> >  I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six
> >  or seven years. How 'bout you?

> I can believe the 6-7 years, mainly because of the overwhelming odds against
> our favorite rebels.  Sooner rather than later I'd expect the odds to catch up
> with them.

> The only canonical references to time that I can currently recall are the 8
> months to Cygnus Alpha and the reference in "Stardrive" that suggested it took
> place approximately three years after the Andromedan War.

Yet four months vanished there! :)
BTW, didn't Servalen say in Terminal that Blake had died a 
year previously?

> We've been reviewing eps in the Tarrant APA and I noticed 
something to suggest
> that some time might have passed between "Rumours" and "Ultraworld."  In
> Rumours there is talk of how the weakened Federation was vulnerable to
> rebellion.  In Ultraworld Tarrant notes that Servalan's empire is expanding
> rather quickly.  So between the two, the Federation not only recovered but it
> began to expand again.  Maybe Servalan's experience in the cellar encouraged
> her to make strengthening the Federation a priority.

It depends how you define expanding-actual control of the 
planets, or having a strong military prescence in the 
region.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:59:00 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Archetypes
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Pat P said:>I would align Neelix with Vila - the "everyman" characters. 
>Gan is the "strongman." Generally, this character is needed in 
>pre-tech fantasy adventure

Maybe it's not quite that simple, and someone else did suggest movement 
could take place. I'd put Gan in as a kind of "everyman" character too. 
Yes, Vila does most of the asking of questions that you and I might ask 
in the same situation, but Gan has so much more to learn, just like any 
assistant/companion in Doctor Who (many of whom are supposed to have 
some sort of skill somewhere, but are denied the opportunity to show it 
and become reduced to the level of screamers, questioners and electronic 
component handlers (whenever the Doctor decides to fix something). 
Actually, now that I think of it, that is what happened to Cally and 
Jenna).

Never having watched Voyager, I've no idea how Neelix compares to Vila. 
This is because commercial television in Australia has this awful habit 
of putting science fiction/fantasy programmes on the schedules at less 
than convenient hours of the day, as my brother the Babylon 5 fan knows 
well, not because, as fifitrix might think, people have told me Voyager 
was awful. Although the latter is true - people have told me that, I 
mean.

Regards
Joanne

Criminal Law: One that no government in its right mind should ever have 
passed.
--Miles Kington, "A simple glossary of legal terms", The Punch Book of 
Crime

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:40:13 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>Speaking of which, did anyone go to Brian Croucher's one-man show?  I 
was
>hoping to see reports on that.

I would have gone, had I been on the right continent. Alas!
I wonder if he ate any jewelry.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:10:11 -0600
From: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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>From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
>To: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
>Date: Mon, Nov 23, 1998, 1:42 PM
>

>
>
>----------
>> From: Reuben <reuben@reuben.net>
>> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
>> Date: 22 November 1998 21:07
>> >I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of
>Jeri
>> >Taylor and Brannon Braga...
>> >
>> Something, I've heard you can't talk about certain aspects of?
>
>What can't I talk about? Jeri shagging Beltran or Brannon being a notorious
>plagiarist?
>
Just an impression I had gotten, maybe I was mistaken. You know how the
usenet rumors are sometimes. I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed
similarities to the Dark Path and this past season's opener....

Reuben

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:30:42 -0700
From: CHERYL_MARKS@HP-LakeStevens-om2.om.hp.com
TO: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Videos Availble in North America
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Video Collectables, 1-800-268-3891 - US and 1-800 387-5758 - Canada,
are once again carrying the entire series of Blake's 7 videos.  Cost is $19.98.

Also, Signals, 1-800-669-9696, is carrying Series 4 of The Avengers Videos 
which includes the Murdersville episode.  Cost is $29.95

Cheryl

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:11:55 EST
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
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fifitrix wrote:  >> Hey, whats so bad about Voyager?   <snip>   Nothing!  >>

Yes, I agree.  I guess Voyager fans are a tiny minority.  I particularly like
Janeway.  I have been a Kate Mulgrew fan for a long time, since her early days
on the soap opera Ryan's Hope.  It's fun to see someone that I liked when I
was so young doing so well.  She certainly is a hard worker and brings her
best to the role.

Janeway is such a strong woman -- in charge of a whole starship.  She's also
extremely intelligent, and yet not afraid to be feminine.  You don't see too
much of this even in science fiction.  I would love to see her and Avon have
at it -- they both have such dry wits.

Gail G.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:13:52 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]Christmas Shopping
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After weeks of good intentions to be really organized and get the Christmas
shopping done early this year, I have finally had to face up to the
challenge and have set myself a deadline of the end of the week to get it
all done. With this in mind I sat down to make a list of what I was going to
buy everyone. However, I found an entirely different sort of list came out -
what sort of Christmas presents would the Blake 7 characters buy?

OK so I know that they probably do not celebrate Christmas in the same form,
what with religion having been outlawed (yes we have thoroughly done that
thread), but it is credible that some sort of festival remains and a
suitable excuse invented for celebrating it. After all, we had a celebration
in mid-winter long before Christianity came along. Perhaps a sort of
"Winterval" as I understand Birmingham council are calling it now so as not
to offend their non-Christian residents. Anyway, I digress - this is my idea
of their Christmas shopping list.

Cally:  She would put  a great deal of thought in to getting presents just
right
            for the individual, whilst at the same time trying to shop
ethically -
            hand-crafted wooden puzzles from craft fairs or plant hangers
            produced by women participating in Third World projects.

Jenna: She would leave things until the very last minute and then rush out
             and buy something totally frivolous, expensive and fun - a day
of
             pampering at a health farm, an exuberant hand-painted silk
tie...

Blake:  Would be a dreadful shopper. Either he would disapprove of the
             whole thing but tell you he had made a donation to charity in
lieu of
             gifts this year, or he would go for gifts which were no hassle
to track
             down - book tokens perhaps

Avon:   Would probably find the whole thing an unnecessary bore and buy
             very few presents. But when he decided he did want to give a
gift
             it would be something very expensive and tasteful - jewellery,
silk..

Vila:     Generous - after all he wouldn't be paying! Up-to-the minute
             electronic gadgets - but don't expect a receipt. Or a bottle of
             whisky - and being such a friendly fellow he would come and
help
             you drink it.

Gan:     Something practical and sweet but a bit dull - gloves and a scarf

Tarrant:  Would go for fairly predictable things - nice undies and chocolate
               for the women in his life. A bottle of something for the
blokes.

Dayna:  A computer game with lots of shooting and appalling sound effects
              (I am thinking of Duke Nukem here - husband has been playing
this
               for a while now and it is driving me round the bend)

Soolin: Simply wouldn't

Servalan: Would get somebody to do it for her - no expense spared
                 but boy you had better be grateful.

Travis: Like Soolin  - he wouldn't.

Julie Horner

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:10:29 +1000
From: vera@c031.aone.net.au
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Julie speculated:
>Jenna: She would leave things until the very last minute and then rush out
>             and buy something totally frivolous, expensive and fun - a day
>of
>             pampering at a health farm, an exuberant hand-painted silk
>tie...

Or perhaps she would have a handy cache of "acquired" goods to treat her
friends with - the Federation equivalent of Havana cigars. 

Malissa

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:20:13 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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My little girl is off school poorly today. She's lying on the sofa watching
a kid's cartoon series called 'Bucky O'Hare' which is about a gang of
animals zipping around the galaxy fighting the 'Toad Federation'. I don't
imagine the writers had ever seen B7 but it is amusing to note that the
same old archetypes come up, somewhat re-shuffled.

There a psychic mystical cat called Jenny
A cheeky chappy who steals things called Deadeye Duck
A dashing leader who is rather idealistic and impatient (Bucky O'Hare of
course)
A massive marine who goes berserk and beats people up but is basically a
big softy called Bruiser Baboon
A ferocious baddy who was damaged in combat and rebuilt with robotic parts,
called 'Toad-Borg'

It all seems rather eerily familiar.

Alison

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:58:48 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)
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OK, I understand the premise of MST3K now, but are the terrible movies made
specially for the series, or are they genuine terrible movies being shown
within this ingenious showcase?

Harriet

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:57:52 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Pat P wrote:
>       Leader Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil
>Blakes 7       Blake    Dayna   Cally    Avon           Gan      Jenna  
Vila            Servie
>
>Lord/RingsAragorn Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Arwen Sam  Sauron
>
>Bab 5  Sheridan Ivanova Delenn Garibaldi shields Talia (name?) Shadows

Don't think the Tolkien ones are quite right.  Suggest Eowyn is the Warrior
(Faramir's a Peacemaker), Galadriel the Mystic, and possibly Gandalf the
Technic.

B5's Everyman is probably Vir Cotto.  And the Strong man could be G'kar
(what are shields?)

Harriet

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:58:51 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: How much time passes?
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Penny Dreadful wrote:
>How much time passes between the beginning and the end of the series?

I firmly believe it's six years, but I have no evidence for this
whatsoever.  It just seems right to me (and Mary Sue once said so).  The
characters age a bit, but no one looks 13 years older by the end (oh, I
know, it could be fancy genetics).

Harriet

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:17:12 GMT
From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray)
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Dear Julie, 

        I loved your list of what the B7 characters might buy as Christmas
presents. I agree that Christmas would be officially abolished, religion
being outlawed; but I'm sure that many rebels would deliberately celebrate
it as a consequence. Think of it, any representations of or references to
Santa Claus 
being severely punished by the Federation! The fat old man in the red suit
regarded as a dangerous subversive symbol of degenerate superstition!
        On an official level, I'd suggest that the Federation would sanction
the celebration of the New Year; it's near enough to Christmas for the
latter to be assimilated. Would 'Aud Lang Syne' still be sung, and would
people still make new year resolutions?

                                Yours, 

                                Murray
 
 

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:36:08 GMT
From: Roger the Shrubber <powerplay@cheerful.com>
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Penny wrote
, so maybe my mistake is _assuming_ "t" is inviolate.

But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce.
I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six
or seven years. How 'bout you?
***
The crew were cracking up by Horizon, so a fourth series Very Tense Avon 
rings true if it was 6 - 7 years. If those events had been stretched out to 
13 years, there surely would have been enough time to recover to some kind of 
normality between adventures. Avon may have faced Blake with a clearer mind.

Some episodes (such as Trial) were obviously following on from the previous 
ep, but most other eps could conceivably have happened months after the 
previous ep (ie self-contained stories)









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Answer from Natasha Stott Despoja - "Xena:Warrior Princess. I want to wear 
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:36:00 GMT
From: Roger the Shrubber <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] charateristix
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pat p wrote

		Leader 	Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil
Blakes 7	Blake	Dayna	Cally  Avon   	Gan    Jenna  Vila    Servie
***
Of course it's a formatting thing, but this is how I received this little 
table....

Cally as warrior fits (in her earlier appearances anyways)

Avon as mystic is intriguing but probably wrong ( I do have a publicity shot 
of him holding a chicken standing near a pentagram)

Gan as Technical is very wrong. The guy couldn't put lego blocks together.

Jenna as Strong fits (again in the early appearances). I want to see her 
doing some smuggling instead of making up the numbers. I've been watching 
Lost In Space series (late Sunday nights here in Melbourne OZ), and Judy 
reminds me of Jenna because they don't really get to do much.

Vila as Beauty - not unless you're pissed on Adrenalin & Soma. Or unless you 
are a hormone-charged Dayna.

Servie as Everyman is so far wrong as to be funny. Harrison Ford she ain't.

Dayna as a blank suits, because apart from weaponry she was a bit thick.









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 from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome !
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____________________________________
Who would you swap lives with for a day ?
Answer from Natasha Stott Despoja - "Xena:Warrior Princess. I want to wear 
breastplates in the Senate ! That would be very cool."
______________________________________
Man, if he is sensible, separates himself from nature and becomes 
its master and conqueror.
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:28:58 GMT
From: Roger the Shrubber <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] star wars
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Well I WAS going to send this to the spin list, but sensors detect a B7 
connection in the cast listing. So here goes.



                        Plot Summary for
                        Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom
                        Menace (1999)



                        This First Episode follows the young years of Anakin 
Skywalker (Darth Vader).
                        The friendship of Obi-wan Kenobi, Yoda and Qui-Gon 
Jinn are also central
                        aspects. And the beginning of the rise to power of 
Senator Palpatine to Emperor.

                                

                        Filming Locations for
                        Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom
                        Menace (1999)



                        Royal Palace, Caserta, Napoli, Italy
                             (coronation sequence)

                        Tozeur, Tunisia
                             (Tatooine)

                        Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom
                        Menace (1999)


                                           Directed by 
                                           George Lucas
                                                        
                                            

                                           Writing credits 
                                           George Lucas
                                                         
                                            

                                           Genre: Action / Adventure /
                                           Drama / Sci-Fi / War 

                                                                                                                                                 

                        Tagline: Every generation has a legend. Every journey 
has a first step. Every        saga has a beginning.
                         
                        Production Notes/Status: 
                               Status:
                                      Post-production 
                           Comments:
                                      Trailers are being distributed to 
theaters. 
                         Last Updated:
                                      15 November 1998 
                                Note:
                                      Since this project is categorized as 
being in production, the
                                      data is subject to change or could be 
removed completely.


                        Cast overview: 
                        Liam Neeson
                                          .... 
                                             Qui-Gon Jinn 
                        Ewan McGregor
                                          .... 
                                             Obi-Wan Kenobi 
                        Natalie Portman
                                          .... 
                                             Padme Naberrie Amidala 
                        Jake Lloyd (I)
                                          .... 
                                             Anakin Skywalker 
                        Ian McDiarmid
                                          .... 
                                             Senator Palpatine 
                        Terence Stamp
                                          .... 
                                             Chancellor Valorum 
                        Benedict Taylor
                        Margaret Towner
                                          .... 
                                             Jira 
                        Oliver Walpole
                        Dominic West
                        Liz Wilson (I)
                                          .... 
                                             Eritae 
                        Pernilla August
                                          .... 
                                             Shmi Skywalker 
                        Kenny Baker (I)
                                          .... 
                                             Artoo-Detoo 
                        Ahmed Best
                                          .... 
                                             JarJar Binks 
                        Jerome Blake
                        Brian Blessed
                                          .... 
                                             Boss Nass 
                        Khan Bonfils
                        Ralph Brown (I)
                                          .... 
                                             Ric Oli� 
                        Alexi Kaye Campbell
                        Scott Capurro
                        Silas Carson
                                          .... 
                                             Nute Gunray 
                        Dhruv Chanchani
                                          .... 
                                             Kitster 
                        Cin
                        Michaela Cottrell
                                          .... 
                                             Jedi Councilor 
                        Kristina DaSilva
                                          .... 
                                             Rabe 
                        Anthony Daniels
                                          .... 
                                             See-Threepio 
                        Oliver Ford Davies
                                          .... 
                                             Sio Bibble 
                        Warwick Davis
                                          .... 
                                             Wald/Grimy Man/Spectator 
                        Adrian Dunbar
                                          .... 
                                             Bail Organa 
                        John Fensom
                                          .... 
                                             TeeSee-Three 
                        Ray Griffiths
                                          .... 
                                             Power Droid 
                        Celia Imrie
                        Samuel L. Jackson
                                          .... 
                                             Mace Windu 
                        Madison Lloyd
                                          .... 
                                             Ellie 
                        Synthia Monroe
                        Frank Oz
                                          .... 
                                             Yoda 
                        Ray Park
                                          .... 
                                             Darth Maul 
                        Greg Proops
                        Hugh Quarshie
                                          .... 
                                             Captain Panaka 
                        Alan Ruscoe
                        Andy Secombe
                        Christian J. Simpson
                                          .... 
                                             Royal Naboo Pilot 
                        Clarence Smith (II)
                        Steven Speirs
                         

                        Also Known As: 
                        Star Wars: Episode I (1998) (USA: working title)
                        Country: USA 
                        Language: English 
                        Color: Color 
                        Sound Mix: DTS / Dolby Digital / SDDS 
****
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___________________________________
 from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome !
powerplay@cheerful.com
____________________________________
Who would you swap lives with for a day ?
Answer from Natasha Stott Despoja - "Xena:Warrior Princess. I want to wear 
breastplates in the Senate ! That would be very cool."
______________________________________
Man, if he is sensible, separates himself from nature and becomes 
its master and conqueror.
________________________________________
________________________________________
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634
Anxiety & Panic
_________________________________________
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2634/powerplay.html
Blake's 7 FAQ & free screen savers

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:30:09 -0600 (EST)
From: Tegan Brandi <tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)
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On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Harriet Monkhouse wrote:

> OK, I understand the premise of MST3K now, but are the terrible movies made
> specially for the series, or are they genuine terrible movies being shown
> within this ingenious showcase?

They are genuine B movies that would have been shown in Drive-ins, when
there still were some, and would now be relegated to the 3 am showings on
independant TV stations if it were not for MST3K. I swear that it was
based on my saturday afternoons when I was 15, when me a few friends would
rent the old sci-fi movies and heckle them ourselves. I guess that's why
it's so endearing. :)

tegan (*)
tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu
http://goddess.coe.missouri.edu/~tegan

   The place I saw was far beneath the surface of the sea
   My sight was poor but I was sure the sirens sang their songs for me
   They dance above me as I sink I see them through a crystal haze
   And hear them bouncing round the room the never ending coral maze
      -Phish, Bouncing Around the Room

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:32:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Susan.Moore@uni.edu
To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)
Message-id: <01J4JN3PJQPK8WXDA0@uni.edu>

The movies used in the show are actual movies.  Awhile back, they did almost
all of the Gamera movies and they've done one or two Godzilla movies.  Since
they do show the entire movie (including credits), the show has to pay for the
rights to show the movie.  There are some movies I think "deserve" the MSTIE
treatment, but the costs are too high for the show.

Susan M.

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:41:27 -0600
From: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Blakes 7 Mail (E-mail)" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:08 AM
Subject: [B7L] MST3K (was re: Voyager and B7)


>OK, I understand the premise of MST3K now, but are the terrible movies made
>specially for the series, or are they genuine terrible movies being shown
>within this ingenious showcase?

Actual bad movies.  The movie featured This Island Earth.  No they really do
manage to bring up some stinkers.  The Gamera movies, and then my  favorite,
Mitchel!  Which stars a drunk smelly Jon Don Baker.  Truly great stuff.

Reuben
http://www.reuben.net/blake/

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:56:00 -0600
From: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Blakes 7 Mail (E-mail)" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] series length
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-----Original Message-----
From: Roger the Shrubber <powerplay@cheerful.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 7:39 AM
Subject: [B7L] series length


>Penny wrote
>, so maybe my mistake is _assuming_ "t" is inviolate.
>
>But suppose we dispense with the (pseudo)science for the nonce.
>I still find it hard to believe that _all_ that took place in six
>or seven years. How 'bout you?
>***
>The crew were cracking up by Horizon, so a fourth series Very Tense Avon
>rings true if it was 6 - 7 years. If those events had been stretched out to
>13 years, there surely would have been enough time to recover to some kind
of
>normality between adventures. Avon may have faced Blake with a clearer
mind.
>
>Some episodes (such as Trial) were obviously following on from the previous
>ep, but most other eps could conceivably have happened months after the
>previous ep (ie self-contained stories)
>
And add to that the slowness of space travel that they talk about all the
time and it seems very right to assume 7 years.  My feeling is that Blake
was lost after about 3 years.  The Season four crew seems so familir with
each other that I would think that season takes place over the longest
amount of time.

Reuben
http://www.reuben.net/blake/

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:09:06 PST
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7)
Message-ID: <19981124150906.7228.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>          Leader  Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty Everyman Evil
>Blakes 7  Blake   Dayna   Cally  Avon    Gan    Jenna  Vila     Serv
>LOTR      Aragorn Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Arwen Sam      Saur


I'd question Jenna as beauty, but then there's no accounting for 
taste...

Anyway, Arthurian stuff:

Leader:    Arthur
Warrior:   Tristram, probably more so than Lancelot 
Mystic:    Merlin, maybe Galahad
Technic:   Merlin again  
Strong:    Gawain  
Beauty:    Guinevere
Everyman:  Pellinor
Evil:      Morgan

-- Rob



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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:28:46 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Defending Blake's honor
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VulcanXYZ@aol.com wrote:
> << re: Horizon poem: Time to Leave
>  Very nicely done! I quite enjoyed this >>
> Thanks, Pat!  I have loads more poems.  Perhaps I'll unload some more on the
> list.

well??? I'm still waiting...
Poetic Pat P

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:38:08 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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Dangermouse wrote:
> > > Hey, whats so bad about Voyager?
> Is that a serious question?
> 
> I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of Jeri
> Taylor and Brannon Braga...
Who are these people and what did they do that was unprofessional? Have
sex with interns on the set?
Also, please give an example of: what is insulting? I agree the show is
boring as hell, with characters even their own mothers couldn't care
about, but bad writing isn't necessarily insulting.

(required Blakes 7 reference: Now, the giant bug in Harvest of Kairos -
*that* was insulting!)
 
> I mean, look at how they've basically removed Tuvok.
Where did they send him? Down to shovel coal in the engine room? And why
is it unprofessional to remove a character? 

Was it unprofessional to crush Gan? (oh gawd, how I *love* the fact that
in the B7 universe, the dead *stay* dead!)

> Look at how season five has a bloody kid in every thrid episode...
bloody brats that have been critically mauled by hungry aliens?
no? aw shucks. you mean shiny faced cherubs that recite overlong scripts
with marbles in mouth - unless girl children, in which case their lines
are: shriek! shriek! shriek!

(Do Jenna and Cally, Dayna and Soolin *ever* shriek? I don't think so.
Goddess! How I love those gals! :-)

I've not watched the show for some time now. Where do the kiddies come
from? I thought there were no other humans out in Sector Whatever where
they've been wandering about since The Big Bang (or at least it seems
that long!)

Pat P

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:07:05 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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In a message dated 98-11-24 11:22:07 EST, Pat wrote:

<< (Do Jenna and Cally, Dayna and Soolin *ever* shriek? I don't think so.
 Goddess! How I love those gals! :-) >>

Dayna did in Dorian's cellar when she came fave to face with the creature, but
then she had a reason. :-)

Tiger M

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:49:39 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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In a message dated 11/24/98 11:22:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pussnboots@geocities.com writes:

<< I've not watched the show for some time now. Where do the kiddies come
 from? >>


  I've only seen the one kid myself, and frankly preferred her and her
holodeck fantasies to the rest of the plots. And this from a Telebubby hater!
  What has gotten me for most of the last 12 or so episodes I've bothered to
watch is the "Alien invader of the week" syndrome. We've seen the crew
experimented on, hunted in the holodecks, even moved off the ship entirely.
Sorry, that many times and they'd be dead for real. Even more frustrating is
when I watch a plot that looks halfway decent get mauled with logical
inconsistancies. I am willing to suspend belief a certain amount, but Voyager
requires deactivating all logic circuitry, which I refuse to do.
   As for the Kairos bug, it's amusing but not insulting. I can at least
understand that the time and the money were too tight to do a proper prop or
special effect; my imagination can edit the scene to how it 'should' look.
Less forgivable is having the special effects the ONLY good thing on a show.
Deborah Rose

  "Who'd still rather watch reruns of B7 than a new episode of Voyager."

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