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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 294
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
Re: [B7L] Re: How much time passes?
[B7L] Re: Catching up
[B7L] test--please ignore
Re: [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7)
Re: [B7L] Archetypes
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:26 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Reuben" <reuben@reuben.net>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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> From: Reuben <reuben@reuben.net>
> Just an impression I had gotten, maybe I was mistaken. You know how the
> usenet rumors are sometimes. I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed
> similarities to the Dark Path and this past season's opener....
Or Dark Path and Year Of Hell.
Brannon and I have this... "understanding"...
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:12:41 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Pat Patera" <pussnboots@geocities.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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> From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
> > I could go on for hours about the sheer insulting unprofessionalism of
Jeri
> > Taylor and Brannon Braga...
>
> Who are these people and what did they do that was unprofessional? Have
> sex with interns on the set?
Executive producers, and in Jeri's case co-creator. He' s a notorious
plagiarist, and she's a notorious nepotistst (as well as shagging Robert
Beltran.)
> Also, please give an example of: what is insulting? I agree the show is
> boring as hell, with characters even their own mothers couldn't care
> about, but bad writing isn't necessarily insulting.
Dumping the usual Vulcan (Tuvok) to do the pon farr episode with a new
Vulcan who is played by Jeri's stepson... Etc.
> > I mean, look at how they've basically removed Tuvok.
> Where did they send him? Down to shovel coal in the engine room? And why
> is it unprofessional to remove a character?
He's the tactical officer. So how come Seven Of Nine (the blonde with the
big tits) is suddenly at the tactical station these days?
> I've not watched the show for some time now. Where do the kiddies come
> from? I thought there were no other humans out in Sector Whatever where
> they've been wandering about since The Big Bang (or at least it seems
> that long!)
It was born on board three years ago, and is now about nine or ten years
old.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:05:03 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: How much time passes?
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In message <199811240759_MC2-6152-A610@compuserve.com>, Harriet
Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes
>Penny Dreadful wrote:
>>How much time passes between the beginning and the end of the series?
>
>I firmly believe it's six years, but I have no evidence for this
>whatsoever. It just seems right to me (and Mary Sue once said so). The
>characters age a bit, but no one looks 13 years older by the end (oh, I
>know, it could be fancy genetics).
Two years from The Way Back to Voice From the Past. Three years from the
war to Stardrive. I'm inclined to the 6 or 7 years theory.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:48:23 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Catching up
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>Joanne asked: >> Carol, whose bloodstains are those? Not mine, I >>
hope <grovel>
>Not yours...yet. ;-) It's good to keep the possibility in mind.
Oh. It is getting close to Christmas, Carol. Surely you're too busy for
mayhem to be high on your list of things to do? <smile?>
>What did you think of "Sevenfold Crown"? I've decided that I can
>forgive all of its weaknesses because I like the high angst quotient.
>Carol Mc
High angst quotient? Fair enough. As I said to someone else who asked
(hi, Kiersten), I haven't managed to listen to all of it yet. What I've
heard so far has induced a strong desire to giggle that is incompatible
with public transport. It's been bad enough on those occasions when I've
been listening to Anna Russell discussing the Ring Cycle, as that is
meant to be funny <smile>
I have, where possible, been making notes <groan>, so I may be able to
draft a review at some point. God only knows when. I have taken to
carrying the damn thing around with me, just in case I get some time to
listen to it, but it hasn't happened yet.
Regards
Joanne
Non volenti fit injuria: No legal glossary would be complete without at
least one Latin phrase. This one means "No one in the aircraft was
hurt".
--Miles Kington, "A simple glossary of legal terms", The Punch Book of
Crime.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:46:47 -0700
From: TGF <fallist@enmu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7-L" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] test--please ignore
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testing...testing...1,2,3...
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:24:12 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Character types (was re: Voyager and B7)
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Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> >Lord/RingsAragorn Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Arwen Sam Sauron
> >
> >Bab 5 Sheridan Ivanova Delenn Garibaldi shields Talia (name?) Shadows
>
> Don't think the Tolkien ones are quite right. Suggest Eowyn is the Warrior
> (Faramir's a Peacemaker), Galadriel the Mystic, and possibly Gandalf the
> Technic.
I agree that Eowyn had the warrior spirit, but she only got to fight one
battle (and was seriously wounded therin - and then because a good
little wifie. Yes, Faramir was a peacemaker, but he did lead an army in
battle. With the number of battles in that book, it's surprisingly
difficult to find a warrior! Aragorn did nicely in leading the army of
the dead, but I needed him for the leader. Perhaps Gandalf as leader?
Altho yes, he did have the technology (magic) of the times. Or could
Frodo be the leader? No, more the fulcrum. I had thought of naming
Galadriel the Mystic, but for the life of me, couldn't remember the Elf
QUeen's name.
> B5's Everyman is probably Vir Cotto.
The name I couldn't place was Zak, the 2nd in station security. But Vir
fits the role well, too.
> And the Strong man could be G'kar
oh, very good. the warrior (er, peacemaker) ninja turtle man.
> (what are shields?)
I meant station shields, cuz I couldn't think of a strong man.
Pat P
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:06:39 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Archetypes
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Tegan Brandi wrote:
re: the chart:
Leader Scout Warrior Mystic Technic Strong Beauty
Everyman Evil
Blakes 7 Blake Tarrant Dayna Cally Avon Gan Jenna
Vila Servie
Lord/Rings Aragorn Radagast Faramir Gandalf Elrond Boromir Galadriel
Sam Sauron
I keep Elrond as the Technic because he gave magic items to arm The
Company
Bab 5 Sheridan Marcus Ivanov Delenn Franklin Garibaldi Talia
Zak/Vir Shadows
Star Wars Obiwan Han Leia Obiwan Han Chewie Leia
Han DarthV
(hey! we need more characters to do that one right. :-(
Xena W/P Xena X,G,J Xena Gabby Autocolus Xena Gabby Joxer
Ares
Buffy Giles (none) Buffy Willow Oz? Angel Cordi
Zander Vamps
> Using these archetypes, I agree with your listings for B7. SInce there is
> no Tarrant nor Soolin, are we to assume they are beyond categorization?
ha ha! no, just that I didn't have room for 2 beauties, 2 warriors, 2
techies
>
> That would put Garibaldi in the Everyman position, which suits him
> perfectly: he's the one you identify with because he's screwed up soooooo
> many times.
A good point, but he's not likeable because he doesn't much like
himself. Everyman is both likeable and non-threatening. Neither is
Garibaldi non-threatening, cuz his role is basically paranoid,
suspicious "cop" and he can command a lot of firepower if he decides to
come after you.
> Plus there's the wonderful shift for Londo from Everyman
> to Evil Leader, and G'Kar from Warrior to Mystic....
A nice observation about G'Kar: yes, in writing his "holy book," he does
qualify as "spiritual."
Londo is not likeable, because his mean streak showed a lot of the time
(until his reform) plus he's rich and opulently dressed, and
ostentatious display of wealth always raises the hackles of the hoi
polloi (everyman is not rich; he's blue-collar Joe Sixpack)
Greg wrote:
I like to added the Jenna/Tarrant slide into a Scout/Ranger archetype
which
translates to Pilot in SF.
Thanks! Yes, I now added Scout category
> Because B7 has fantasy and SF archetypes they need a Scout (Vila)
no way! The only thing Vila will bestir himself to scout out is the
liquor cabinet.
> and a Pilot (Jenna/Tarrant).
Pilot falls under Technical, since it requires operating a piece of
advanced machinery.
> Han Solo is another example of the pilot archetype.
He looks more like everyman to me: likeable, making a bare living, has a
shaggy pet "dog," etc.
> Aragorn, Luke Skywalker and Tarrant survive by changing
> to Leader, Warrior/Mystic, and Warrior
Aragorn was always the King: he was simply in hiding. And I got the
impression he was the defacto Leader of The Rangers (who, as the
surviving men of old, knew his true identity) until he joined The
Company.
Luke was always a budding mystic. Look how he clove to Obiwan Kenobi the
first time they met. He was initially a potential acolyte in search of a
Cause or a Jihad. (Hey! Blake could have used that boy!) Luke became
the black robed priest by the end. True, he did swing a mean light
saber, but was taught to use love, not hate, whenever possible. And he
won his battle against Darth using passive acceptance, not physical
violence. This is a spiritual, not a warrior stance.
Tarrant did not change into warrior: as a trained Federation officer, he
was military from the get-go. Look at how the alien in Sarcophogus
portrayed him: the blood-red warrior. She knew their hearts and
portrayed them thusly. (Dayna as an innocent singing blue angel. Avon
cast cold and clad as black as his heart. yum.)
>(and Beauty?).
Is this a joke about the shining curls? the gleaming teeth? the buns of
steel? Soolin is miffed.
PS re: Roger the Shrubber's deliberate misread of the chart: every class
has a clown. Your "take" was creative and funny, tho! :-D
Pat P
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