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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 300

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
	 Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
	 [B7L] Carnell - thanks
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 [B7L] Re: Carnell
	 [B7L] Re: Languages
	 Re: [B7L] Carnell - thanks
	 Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
	 Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
	 Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
	 Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
	 Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Brian C's one man show
	 Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
	 Re: [B7L] Orac and Marvin

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:21:11 +0100 (MET)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list)
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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> 
> Cally didn't read the Commisar's mind - she'd got the date from Orac after
> asking it to look up records of executions and the like.  She was however,
> trying to make it *appear* that she could read minds as she realised it was
> impressing Ro.
> 
> She can sense very strong emotions like Vila's pain when his arm was broken. 
> She sensed Avon's unease in 'Hostage', but could not read his mind to deterimne
> the exact cause.  She could only suspect.
> 
> Judith
> -- 


Hello,

Just a reminder, Cally did put a thought into Ro his mind about the
possibility that the commissar might kill him (later on). It could also be possible that
he sensed this at the time although Cally didn't "probed" him at that time.
(makes any sense?)


Bye,


Jeroen Kwast

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:17:05 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-12-02 14:40:36 EST, Judith wrote:

<< She can sense very strong emotions like Vila's pain when his arm was
broken. 
 She sensed Avon's unease in 'Hostage', but could not read his mind to
deterimne
 the exact cause.  >>

I got the impression that she had to know the person well to do that.  In
Death-Watch, she didn't know whether she could contact Tarrant telepathically,
but she knew him well and that would help.  I also think distance had an
effect as well.

Tiger M

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:40:50 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Carnell - thanks
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Hello all.

Harriet said: He's got eyelashes.

<surprise> Well, so do I and so do you, so these must be truly uncommon 
eyelashes! Lisa Williams called them marvellous, just to clarify things. 
Unfortunately, the only picture I've seen (that I can remember, and 
thanks again to Kalazar for the URL) doesn't give you much of an idea. 
Nor does it do justice to the hymn of praise sung by Pat P <smile>. 
Think I'll stick with, as Tonya put it, the Dark God, instead of 
preparing to swoon when, eventually, I see the episode. 

Regards 
Joanne

PS By the way, Pat P, I know very well what you meant by "an aqualine 
face", but the more mischievous areas of my brain suggest that means his 
skin is greeny-blue. Sorry Pat, but I couldn't help it <grovel>

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:49:10 EST
From: ShilLance@aol.com
To: master@sol.co.uk, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 11/30/98 5:43:02 PM Central Standard Time, master@sol.co.uk
writes:

<< > What do you mean "shagging Robert Beltran?"
 
<< "Having extramarital sex with">>

Is there proof of this?
  

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:18:02 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: <ShilLance@aol.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Voyager and B7
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> << > What do you mean "shagging Robert Beltran?"
>  
> << "Having extramarital sex with">>
> 
> Is there proof of this?

Do you expect me to have taken pictures?
   

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:33:33 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Carnell
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Like I said.  He's got eyelashes.

Harriet

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:33:26 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Languages
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Don wrote:
>I'm thinking of the islands that worship Prince Charles as a God etc.

Oddly enough, I think it's Prince Philip they adore...  It takes all sorts.

Harriet

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:26:20 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Carnell - thanks
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:

>Unfortunately, the only picture I've seen (that I can remember, and 
>thanks again to Kalazar for the URL) doesn't give you much of an idea. 

Here are a few frame captures which might help a bit, though you really
need to see him in motion: 

<http://www.dallas.net/~lcw/Temp/Carnell.html>

	- Lisa
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Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:51:34 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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Calle Dybedahl wrote:
> I've always had the impression that Cally was a strictly sending
> telepath, but yesterday while re-watching "Horizon" I realised that
> she is reading the kommisar's mind while on the interrogation device.
> 
I think Cally was lying when she told Jenna, "I can't read minds, and
even if I could, I wouldn't."
She lies because she knows that no one will like her or tolerate her if
they know she can read minds.

It just doesn't make sense to me that one could send and not receive.
Telepathic brain wiring simply wouldn't be built that way. And she can
receive from Zelda (or perhaps Zelda is sending?)

Not that she deliberately eavesdrops. She is honorable in that she would
try not to listen, but sometimes one can't help overhearing.

Or perhaps I am simply trying to assign more powers to Cally, a
character who had great potential that the writers left largely unused.
Pat P

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:54:33 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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Pat Patera wrote:

>It just doesn't make sense to me that one could send and not receive.
>Telepathic brain wiring simply wouldn't be built that way. 

It's not that she can't receive; it's that humans can't transmit. Aurons
can, so she has two-way communication with Zelda. But humans evidently lack
the transmitter, so while they can receive her if she broadcasts, they
can't broadcast in return. And even among her own kind, she can evidently
only pick up specific thoughts if they are deliberately transmitted -- she
can't eavesdrop. (She shows indications of some vaguely defined empathic
ability, which does entail "reading" emotional states which aren't being
deliberately transmitted, but not actual thoughts.)

	- Lisa
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:21:49 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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On Thu 03 Dec, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 98-12-02 14:40:36 EST, Judith wrote:
> 
> > She can sense very strong emotions like Vila's pain when his arm was broken. 
> >  She sensed Avon's unease in 'Hostage', but could not read his mind to
> > deterimne the exact cause.
> 
> I got the impression that she had to know the person well to do that.  In
> Death-Watch, she didn't know whether she could contact Tarrant telepathically,
> but she knew him well and that would help.  I also think distance had an
> effect as well.

Exactly.  She knew Avon well and could thus sense some emotion from him. 
Sending required her to know the person well if they were a long way off.  She
couldn't recieve thoughts even from someone she knew well.  She only sent to
Tarrant in Deathwatch and in fact had no way of knowing if he'd heard her or
not.

Judith

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:24:05 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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On Thu 03 Dec, Jeroen J. Kwast wrote:
> > 
> > Cally didn't read the Commisar's mind - she'd got the date from Orac after
> > asking it to look up records of executions and the like.  She was however,
> > trying to make it *appear* that she could read minds as she realised it was
> > impressing Ro.
> > 
> > She can sense very strong emotions like Vila's pain when his arm was broken. 
> > She sensed Avon's unease in 'Hostage', but could not read his mind to deterimne
> > the exact cause.  She could only suspect.
> > 
> > Judith
> > -- 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Just a reminder, Cally did put a thought into Ro his mind about the
> possibility that the commissar might kill him (later on). It could also be possible th
> at he sensed this at the time although Cally didn't "probed" him at that time.
> (makes any sense?)

She spoke to him telepathically and Ro heard her.  (not quite the same as
putting a thought into his mind as Ro wouldn't have reacted in the same way). 
cally didn't 'probe' Ro.  That's outside her abilities.

Judith 

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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:19:19 +0100 (MET)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list)
Cc: Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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> > Hello,
> > 
> > Just a reminder, Cally did put a thought into Ro his mind about the
> > possibility that the commissar might kill him (later on). It could also be possible th
> > at he sensed this at the time although Cally didn't "probed" him at that time.
> > (makes any sense?)
> 
> She spoke to him telepathically and Ro heard her.  (not quite the same as
> putting a thought into his mind as Ro wouldn't have reacted in the same way). 
> cally didn't 'probe' Ro.  That's outside her abilities.
> 
> Judith 
> 


Hi!

I meant the same as you! put a thought -> spoke telepathically
and "probe" as is "doing nothing" or make it appear as if she could.

The problem here is the language. I'm not as good in English as many of you
here on the list. I recall some time ago the discussion about "putting a
dot here and a comma there". Please ! I'm trying to keep up with all the
"extra" terms used here that I didn't learn at school :) 

Boohoo now no-one knows what I meant to say ... and responding to it.
Oh well, back to just reading the same people here. I wonder howmany 
non-native English tongue people? here on the list have this problem too.


Jeroen

Who is now looking at all 26 BBC tapes as of last week !!!!! yeeee |Thanx Diane

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 01:08:44 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>> << > What do you mean "shagging Robert Beltran?"
>>  
>> << "Having extramarital sex with">>
>> 
>> Is there proof of this?
>
>Do you expect me to have taken pictures?
>   
Bwahahaha, now THIS is *exactly* the sort of brilliant dialectic 
interplay that makes me know 'twas not in vain I chose to devote my 
existence to the Great God Internet.

--Penny "Pissed as a newt, yet still, alarmingly, perfectly capable of 
pressing 'Send'" Dreadful

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:37:49 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Brian C's one man show
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Steve, thanks for the Brian report and the one on Peladon.

Also, thanks to Judith for reporting on the "Over the Moon" adventure.  It was
great to hear that Sheelagh is working on another interview tape.  

Carol Mc

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:38:12 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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In a message dated 12/3/98 11:22:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Tigerm1019@aol.com writes:

<< I got the impression that she had to know the person well to do that.   >>


   Or, as you said, be at  a short distance from her target. As in Time Squad.
And the subject's concentration level may play a part, as when she tries to
warn Avon  but he doesn't "hear."
   The telepathy bit with non-Aurons is one reason I think the Auronar are an
early break-away colony from Earth, rather than truly alien. the fact that
humans such as Vila seem to occasionally "transmit" telepathically seems to
indicate that whatever causes telepathy is present in humankind. Presumably a
genetic link. The Auron could simply be a group of colonists who were selected
for their telepathic potential, and managed to realize it in isolation. The
cloning process developed on Auron seems to have triggered the full potential
of the genes. Indeed,  Servalan's reaction to the destruction of the embryos
both demonstrates that and the likelyhood that Servalan herself is a possible
latent telepath. Now there's a nasty thread to consider; what would being
actively telepathic have done to Servalan?         D. Rose

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:07:21 -0000
From: "Fifitrix" <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac and Marvin
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Rob - you little star!
<snip>
>MARVIN:  This morning, I had a conversation with a coffee machine that 
>was more interesting than this one.  And that was terrible as well.
>
>ORAC:    If you are implying that my knowledge is inferior to that of a 
>"coffee machine", I can only conclude that your understanding is flawed 
>and your intelligence is second rate at best

ROFL!!!!!  I can just hear these two going at it.
Although whoever wrote this should have used the immortal
"Brain the size of a Planet" line.   hee hee hee
Douglas Adams rocks.

love
Fifitrix

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