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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 314

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] UNCUT
	 Re: [B7L] UNCUT
	 [B7L] Re: Christmas
	 Re: [B7L] 'Duel'...
	 [B7L] Redemption
	 Re: [B7L] 'Duel'...
	 Re: [B7L] UNCUT
	 Re: [B7L] UNCUT
	 [B7L] Clive James on TV
	 [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV
	 [B7L] Clive Jqmes

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:25:04 +1000
From: "Taina Nieminen" <taina@netspace.net.au>
To: "B7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT
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>Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the
>videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes".  Can anyone tell me
>exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly
>has been removed from them?
>
>Chris.


Some videos were released with three episodes on each tape, edited to fit
three episodes into two hours.

Taina
===========================
Is there a mind/body problem?
And if so, which is it better to have?
- Woody Allen

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:39:02 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Julia Jones" <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>,
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Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT
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> From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> The tape of Rescue is allegedly uncut, but in fact is different to the
> broadcast version.

Yeah, but it's an alternate version  rather than strictly an edited one, so
that's why they can call it uncut.

I wonder if the rerelease will be the broadcast version?

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:25:41 GMT
From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray )
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Christmas
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To all my fellow Space Citizens,

        Due to Christmas preparations and Christmas itself, I will be
'offline' as regards my email; so I would like to wish you all a Merry
Christmas and a Happy New Year.

                                Yours, 

                                Murray 

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:12:33 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Duel'...
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On Mon 21 Dec, Penny Dreadful wrote:
> >I never thought Servalan surprised him that much. They recognised
> >one another's ruthless streak.  
> 
> Yes, but his ruthlessness is generally of the neat-and-tidy kind, 
> efficiency. Like (arguably) a machine (I swear I will at some future 
> point construct a coherent and seamless argument vis a vis Travis's 
> machineliness). Servalan's desires, and her schemes, are murkier, much 
> more complex. So he identifies with her ruthlessness, but this doesn't 
> mean he can predict her behaviour.

That's true.  Her scheming is more complicated than his.  I think Travis was a
straightforward man in that respect at least.  I think he would look for a
direct solution to a problem.  Having said that, was it him or Servalan who came
up with the virus idea in 'Project Avalon'?  I got the impression that the
scheme was Travis's.

> >I think Travis lost his ability to read Servalan as time went by.  He  became
> >more fanatic and inward looking and she respected him less.
> 
> She bent and bashed her toy until it broke, and then it wasn't fun to 
> play with any more. How seasonally apropos.

Yes, she strained him further and further.  She took his loyalty to the system
and bent it further and further as he became more and more aware of how much she
sought her own power.  'Orac' is a classic example where Servalan was actually
trying to defraud the Federation.  Then there were the occasions where Travis
could have killed Blake if Servalan hadn't prevented him because of the danger
to her own life.  I think Travis disapproved of her for that, but loyalty to the
chain of command was deeply ingrained into him.

Do you think Travis would have held his own life in such high regard?  I think
he would have been willing to die to kill Blake (he was certainly willing to do
it in 'Gambit'.)  Would he have been willing to die if he thought his death
would serve the Federation as a whole?  (I'm talking about season 1 Travis here,
before his loyalties became stretched to breaking point)

Judith

-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7

Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:11:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption
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We lost Blake.  We gained Travis!


Brian Croucher will be coming to Redemption.  He'll be there for all three days
(work permitting, of course).

We're looking into the possibility of getting Stephen Greif for a day as well,
but nothing is confirmed there yet.

Judith
-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7

Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:29:44 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 98-12-21 13:36:32 EST, Judith wrote:

<< Do you think Travis would have held his own life in such high regard?  I
think
 he would have been willing to die to kill Blake (he was certainly willing to
do
 it in 'Gambit'.)  Would he have been willing to die if he thought his death
 would serve the Federation as a whole?  (I'm talking about season 1 Travis
here,
 before his loyalties became stretched to breaking point)
  >>

I think the first season Travis would have sacrificed his life if he thought
it would benefit the Federation.  I also think he was willing to sacrifice
others lives as well and became more and more ticked at Servalan because her
motives were so often selfish.

Tiger M

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:19:31 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT
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In message <199812211050.KAA20854@gnasher.sol.co.uk>, Dangermouse
<master@sol.co.uk> writes
>> From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
>> The tape of Rescue is allegedly uncut, but in fact is different to the
>> broadcast version.
>
>Yeah, but it's an alternate version  rather than strictly an edited one, so
>that's why they can call it uncut.

I'd call removing two significant scenes cutting rather than an
alternative version. All right, so the scenes in question are about two
seconds long, but they're important in temrs of character development.
>
>I wonder if the rerelease will be the broadcast version?
>
Fat bloody chance.
-- 
Julia Jones

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:40:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT
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On Mon 21 Dec, Taina Nieminen wrote:
> >Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the
> >videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes".  Can anyone tell me
> >exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly
> >has been removed from them?
> >
> >Chris.
> 
> 
> Some videos were released with three episodes on each tape, edited to fit
> three episodes into two hours.

Those were the infamous compilation tapes which are thankfully no longer
available.

As far as I know, the slight edit to the fight scene in Spacefall (I think they
took out a shot of Avon clapping his hands over someone's ears) and the editing
changes to 'Rescue' are the only changes to the tapes.

Has anyone thought of writing to Fabulous Films and asking them to use the aired
version of 'Rescue' when they get to that stage in the releases?

Judith

-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7

Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:12:00 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>,
        Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Clive James on TV
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Well, that wasn't as bad as it might have been.  We saw Sally.  We saw
Jackie.  We didn't see Brian the Snail (maybe Clive James decided Jarvik
was an even sillier monster).  He wasn't nearly as rude about Blake's 7 as
he was on paper in 1980.  And we got several seconds of Moonbase Three!  I
want more!

The Dalek man was quite nice, too.

Harriet

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:00:08 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV
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Harriet said: > We didn't see Brian the Snail 

Definitely need an explanation here. Seeing as you mentioned Jarvik, 
could it be that the reference is to the kairopan gobbler in "Harvest of 
Kairos"? (ARGH! Great gaps in my B7 education are showing!)

>He wasn't nearly as rude about Blake's 7 as he was on paper in >1980.  

Maybe he's a little less enamoured of "Star Trek" these days - one of 
his reviews suggested that series was his preferred choice of trashy 
television. Then again, I have the strong impression that all science 
fiction on television came under the heading of "trashy television", so 
far as he was concerned while reviewing television.

Regards
Joanne

It's biliousness as usual in my corner of the kitchen
--The Whitlams, "You Sound Like Louis Burdett"


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:53:04 -0000
From: "Taylor, Steve            [CCS]" <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Clive Jqmes
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Well - what a lot of publicity - and a fair few cheap shots.

Sally and Jacqueline in full flow - criticising the development of Jenna
(agreed) and Servalan's costumes (Shirley Bassey - JP).

Still - not that bad - and I actually liked the 'clow fighting' concept.

SteveT
who unsubed yesterday for the hols but had to come back for this

Some interesting comments on Dr Who as well

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