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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 315
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Redemption
Re: [B7L] Clive James on TV
[B7L] Babylon 5 in the UK
[B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] 'Duel'...
[B7L] X Post Christmas
[B7L] More on Free time
[B7L] Travis and Servalan (was "Duel")
[B7L] Re: Uncut
[B7L] Re: Clive James on TV
[B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper'
Re: [B7L] Free time again
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:15:21 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>,
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Cc: "Space City" <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Redemption
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> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
> Brian Croucher will be coming to Redemption. He'll be there for all
three days
> (work permitting, of course).
And that's supposed to be a good thing?
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:12:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Clive James on TV
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Harriet said:
>And we got several seconds of Moonbase Three! I want more!
'Moonbase 3' is cool. Not as good as 'Star Cops', and you need to watch it
in 20 minute chunks so that you don't nod off (as the clip might have
suggested to you!) but I really like it. Weirdly, the commander of the
base has the character name 'David Calder' and, of course, that's the name
of the actor who plays the commander of the Moonbase in 'Star Cops'...
Spooky...
I thought the clip from 'Doomwatch' was really hilarious, as well.
Una
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Napoleon is on board a British ship, looking very depressed. One sailor is
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:21:11 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>,
Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Babylon 5 in the UK
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By the way, I suppose most British B5 fans have already heard this, but I
don't think I've seen it here: the final five episodes of season five are
supposed to be broadcast on Channel 4 at 11.30 a.m. (yes, late morning)
from Monday, December 28 to Friday, January 1. Then they do them again on
Sundays at something like midnight from January 3 to January 31. I haven't
got a TV guide for that far ahead yet, but I imagine they mean Sunday as in
early hours of Monday, where they've been running season one recently. (We
interrupt season one to bring you the end of the whole thing.)
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:25:29 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Free time again
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I think I have holiday preparations under control... <knock on wood> ... so
it's back to fannish business.
Judith wrote:
> And a second oak leaf goes to Carol McCoy for the following intelligent
> observation -
I'm deeply honored. It's just a pity that Gan needs defending. As B7
characters go, I'd choose him as my leader over all of the rest.
Jo Ann brilliantly observed:
> Tarrant and Dayna saved their supplies of patience for
> situations where it was most needed.
That's so true. For all of his reckless impetuosity, Tarrant could be cool,
calm and collected when the situation required it. I loved how he handled the
questions about Orac in DAWN.
And additional brilliant Tarrant observations from Tiger M:
> A while back, there was a thread about the kairopan stunt in "Harvest of
> Kairos" and several people claimed that it was merely piracy. I agree that
> it
> was piracy, but I think there was more to it than that. By stealing the
> kairopan, Tarrant and the Liberator crew would have been hitting the
> Federation in a place where it would really hurt: the bank balance. It
> takes
> money to run a government, and from the looks of things, the Federation was
> pretty shaky at that point. The loss of several billion credits worth of a
> valuable resource would have had to hurt. Also, the scam almost worked.
If
> Tarrant had not been up against an opponent who knew him very well (his
> former
> commanding officer), it probably would have.
What clever reasoning. I can believe that he had hurting the Federation as
part of his motivation for going after the kairopan, and I can even understand
why he didn't share that thought with his shipmates. He really didn't have
any reason to believe they were dedicated revolutionaries at the time. Look
at VOLCANO. It was Tarrant and Dayna who went to Obsidian to try to gain
allies and a base to aid the fight against the Federation. Tarrant could very
well have reasoned that the promise of a fortune was a better way to gain his
shipmates' cooperation than a proposal to fight the Federation. As Tarrant
noted in POWERPLAY, "Greed makes for efficient troopers." So why not think
that greed would also make for efficient shipmates. Great thinking, Tiger M.
Susan M. wrote about breakfast:
> Vila: Beer and twinkies
>
> Vargas: The scenery
ROFL! I love those.
BTW, my Liberator spy swears that Tarrant eats cold pizza for breakfast
(Vila's dinner leftovers as a matter of fact). Which I can well believe.
Tarrant doesn't have the body of a glutton, sweet tooth or gourmand. He has
the body of someone who grabs what is at the front of the fridge and doesn't
think too much about what he's consuming.
It was also Susan M. who asked:
> Every time I hear "Learning to Fly" by Pink Floyd, I think about Tarrant.
Does
> anyone know if someone's done a vid for it?
Not that I know of (and I hope I've not missed it if one exists <g>). The
lyrics are wonderful for Tarrant. I could be tempted to give it a try myself
but I'm fearful that Pink Floyd isn't my type of music. I'll have to research
the matter.
I've very much enjoyed the discussion of Travis, but I can't immediately think
of anything to add.
Carol Mc
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:50:12 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Duel'...
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On Mon 21 Dec, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
> I think the first season Travis would have sacrificed his life if he thought
> it would benefit the Federation. I also think he was willing to sacrifice
> others lives as well and became more and more ticked at Servalan because her
> motives were so often selfish.
That's about my reading of him. He's the dedicated soldier. I agree he was
willing to sacrifice others lives, though I don't think he was careless in that
respect. Par said (in 'Trail') that Travis didn't waste men's lives.
He was less careful as time passed though. Throwing the grenade that brought
the roof down in 'Pressure Point' was careless.
The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very self-centered
("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she actually
failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the chance to
control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down.
I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the Federation.
Why did Travis make her the offer?
Why did she turn him down?
Judith
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:01:05 -0800
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com (Penny L Kjelgaard)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] X Post Christmas
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Avon, Avon, What a guy!
Kissed the girls and made them die.
Hark ye! Heed this tale of woe,
Don't hang up your mistletoe.
Merry Christmas to you all!
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:44:46 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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Carol sayeth: > It's just a pity that Gan needs defending. As B7
>characters go, I'd choose him as my leader over all of the rest.
Nice thought. Brilliant he may not be, but the sort of leadership he
showed in "Cygnus Alpha" suggests he was very capable.
>Jo Ann brilliantly observed:
Ooh, I've been rechristened for Christmas <grin> Thanks, Carol! (Or
should that be Carole <bigger grin>?)
>> It takes money to run a government, and from the looks of things, >>
the Federation was pretty shaky at that point. The loss of several >>
billion credits worth of a valuable resource would have had to hurt.
Just a question. How well guarded was this whole operation? It's one
thing, you see, to have a whole planet to yourself, like what'shisface
in "Games", but not having seen the episode in question, I have no idea
what the opportunities might have been for someone to find a way to make
a sufficient quantity of kairopan "disappear".
>Susan M. wrote about breakfast:
>> Vargas: The scenery
>ROFL! I love those.
<smile> So do I. Explains why the architectural style was "early
maniac": Vargas had been so busy that only rocky outcrops were left.
>Tarrant doesn't have the body of a glutton, sweet tooth or gourmand. >
He has the body of someone who grabs what is at the front of the >fridge
and doesn't think too much about what he's consuming.
<grimace> Heaven help his digestive system (and Heaven help my computer
at work - I can see the drool pouring out of it again <grin>). That,
potentially, could lead to a diet worse than the one you've just
suggested for Vila! Which reminds me of something that annoyed me about
"The Sevenfold Crown" - Vila is, possibly, a drunken sot at his worst,
but I can't see him eating vast quantities. He's a thief, for Heaven's
sake! If he's as good as Avon says of him, then there's no way in the
universe he'd eat that much. Thieves have to keep their figures too, you
know <smile>. I can only suppose that the writer wanted to distinguish
between him and the king, who carouses in the traditional manner.
I hope that everyone on the list has a good time carousing in the
traditional manner over the holidays.
Regards and best wishes
Joanne
All the bells are gaily ringing
Birds in every tree are singing
Let us in the golden weather
Gather Christmas bush together
--another Australian Christmas carol.
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:20:53 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Travis and Servalan (was "Duel")
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In a message dated 98-12-22 16:53:43 EST, you write:
<< The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very self-
centered
("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she actually
failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the chance
to
control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down.
I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the Federation.
Why did Travis make her the offer?
Why did she turn him down?
>>
I'm not sure why he made the offer, but perhaps she turned him down because
she was on the verge of making her try for the presidency and didn't want to
be associated with Travis. Or maybe she didn't believe he had really found it
or would succeed in taking it over.
Tiger M
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:37:50 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Uncut
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Judith asked:
>Has anyone thought of writing to Fabulous Films and asking
>them to use the aired version of 'Rescue' when they get to that
>stage in the releases?
Are you volunteering? Or suggesting a mass campaign (in which case we'd
better all have the address)? Will Fab Films actually have access to the
original, or just what the BBC gave them?
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:38:50 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV
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Joanne asked:
>> We didn't see Brian the Snail
>
>Definitely need an explanation here. Seeing as you
>mentioned Jarvik, could it be that the reference is to
>the kairopan gobbler in "Harvest of Kairos"?
The same. Except I meant Spider. Sheelagh Wells explains in Inside Story
that the gobbler was popularly known as Brian the Spider at time of
filming. She appears to think it was instrumental in her overcoming her
arachnophobia.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:09:07 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper'
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Judith said:
>The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very
self-centered
>("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she
actually
>failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the
chance to
>control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down.
>
>I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the
Federation.
Hah! Servalan had loyalty to Servalan.
>Why did Travis make her the offer?
Well, I'm inclined to say it was a come-on...but I won't...
Travis didn't want all that power, too complicated, messy. He wanted
*access* to all that power. He wanted Servalan to take control and just
give him whatever he asked for (Ships to chase Blake. Guns to shoot
Blake. Knives to stab Blake). It's like she would be the owner of the
metaphorical Mercedes and responsible for upkeep and insurance, but he
could have the keys when he needed to drive somewhere.
And I think he figured the Federation deserved her...
>Why did she turn him down?
She didn't know he *already had* the brain print, or she would have
agreed to whatever he said, and had him killed whenever it was
convenient for her. As it was she wasn't prepared to contemplate sharing
power with someone whose insanity was, by this point, more dangerous
than useful - I get the impression that the head trauma inflicted upon
him by Chevy...Cheva...Krantor's thug in 'Gambit' jarred his brain loose
for good - moreover she didn't respect him enough to *pretend* to
consider it, which I think she would have done with Season 1 Travis.
-- Penny Dreadful
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:31:23 -0000
From: "Fifitrix" <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again
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<snip>
>> Every time I hear "Learning to Fly" by Pink Floyd, I think about Tarrant.
>Does
>> anyone know if someone's done a vid for it?
>
>Not that I know of (and I hope I've not missed it if one exists <g>). The
>lyrics are wonderful for Tarrant. I could be tempted to give it a try
myself
>but I'm fearful that Pink Floyd isn't my type of music. I'll have to
research
>the matter.
<snip>
>Carol Mc
I LOVE Pink Floyd - my personal favourite is "The Great Gig in the Sky"
which was unbelievable when I saw them live. (btw - a male friend that I was
with said "that's some pair of lungs that girl's got" and for once I
actually believe he was talking about lungs)
Floyd is the kind of music that needs to be listened to whilst being still,
I feel. I'm not sure why. I like to let it wash over me in waves. Its
excellent for clearing out your head space after a hectic day.
anyway - go get "learning to fly" - its great.
also like - "shine on you crazy diamond"
Fifitrix
xxx
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