From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #49 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/49 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 49 Today's Topics: [B7L] Tarrant: heroic or selfish [B7L] Re: blake picture Re: [B7L] On My Mind Re: [B7L] On My Mind Re: [B7L] Safety Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila Re: [B7L] blake picture and Valentines Day Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila Re: [B7L] Safety Re: [B7L] Safety [B7L] ROFL [B7L] Character morality Re: [B7L] Safety [B7L] *Original* B7 costumes for sale Re: [B7L] Character morality Re: [B7L] Safety [B7L] Re: Safety Re: [B7L] Character morality [B7L] Avon's smile [B7L] Re: Cross overs [B7L] Re: safety Re: [B7L] Power (was Avon's smile) Re: [B7L] ROFL Re: [B7L] Re: Safety Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila [B7L] Re: On My Mind [B7L] 35 years of DW and 20 years of B7 RE: [B7L] Cross-overs [B7L] Something Amusing [B7L] New Who, Blake's Re: [B7L] Straight Blakes ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 1998 17:14:11 -0800 From: "Ma.James" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Tarrant: heroic or selfish Message-ID: I've been unable to access email for several days so I have a lot of mail to go thru and some of my mail is a little scrambled so I've lost a lot of the original messages. However one message caught my eye immediately. I don't have the message but it was something to the effect of: >By the end of "Blake" it was obvious Tarrant was a jerk and only out for >himself. At this point my only reply to that can be, "HUH"!!???? Would whoever sent this post please send some examples of Tarrant being a jerk in "Blake"? Or point out the specific scene(s) in this (or any other) ep that brings you to this conclusion, so I may dispute it. It's a little difficult just to say, "NO, he is not a jerk"--which he IS NOT!, without knowing specifically what action I'm defending! Shela Ma ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:11:28 EST From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blake picture Message-ID: <19980215.200725.14215.2.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com> Darren Posted: Penny and /or Judith wrote That picture is gorgeous - I had to remove it from my desk because it was too distracting when I was working!) ***** Ah yes, but if you want a deep dark enigmatic glimpse inside the true heart of a charismatic revolutionary, the look of a man with the destiny of a mortal Federation in his hands, the face & stance of the True One who will lead his people into the light, the spirit that makes women swoon and men tremble, you really need to be looking at page 29 instead. **** Judith! We are MOCKED! Actually, I like the picture on page 29, as well, but really,Darren, what do *YOU* think happens to the "deep dark enigmatic" mind of a "charismatic revolutionary" when he goes "POP?" I think he makes faces like the picture on page 29. Penny _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:52:00 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On My Mind Message-ID: <34E7A9D0.5EF3@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jenni-Alison wrote: > Don't worry about wording it ok - you're entitled to your opinion, > and the fact that we're all on this mailing list together means we > want you to assume that we're entitled to it too! For what it's > worth, I lurked nervously for ages before actually posting, and I > think you're really brave just to jump in the deep end as you did. Aw shucks, surely we Rabble aren't all that scary? C'mon all you other shy lurkers out there. Join the rebellion. You may be dead in a week - but what a week! Pat P (sharpening up the shark teeth and watching for toes dipped in the deep end) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:57:45 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] On My Mind Message-ID: <34E7AB29.7B6E@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NWOutsider (Sue)wrote: > Most fans who have a preference for Blake are, of course, too smart > and rational to give themselves a silly name or align themselves with a > faction sporting a silly name. I, on the other hand...8-) have settled on > BITCH. I dunno, it just sort of suits me. It's an acronym, too, maybe I > should mention that. 8-) Blake Is The Chosen Hero. ROFL! :D The insignia truly tempts me to switch; 'cept I *like* waving my alarming red A.S.S. in the air. > Oooh! We could even have funky first names, like the Spice Girls. > I wanna be Sarcastic Bitch! Or Castrating Bitch. You'll hafta catfight Servalan for the latter. You may have to beat off a few list contenders for the former, as well. :) Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:06:16 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: <34E7AD28.6433@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: > Do we ever see Avon laugh or give a large smile at any other time than when > things are at their absolute worst? eg. Horizon (when he has to go to the > rescue), Gold (when the money is useless), Terminal (the end), Blake (the end). I recall a nice drawing by a fan artist capturing a moment from 1st or 2nd season, where Avon is leaning on the flight deck couch chatting with Blake, and wearing a wide grin. Truly, these moments are rare, tho, which is why when Avon does smile, I melt *sigh* in the glow of the sudden gleam. This tendency to laugh in the face of "worst possible scenario" : could that be an INTJ/P trait? I do that; at work on those occassions where everything goes wrong; I simply crack up. It's laughing at fate, really. For what else can one do? During the Briggs-Myers thread (alas, I had an email jam up and then days of company during that marvy discussion) a number of INTs identified themselves on this list. Do they laugh at tragedy as Avon does? Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:47:04 -0600 From: "Lorna B." To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila Message-Id: <199802160549.XAA10531@pemberton.magnolia.net> Pat P. said: >Poor Gan isn't even in the same league when it comes to >clever repartee. Of course Avon would either dismiss him or humour him. >The occassional rude remark does slip out; but who among us can help but >be snide on occassion to a dork? I never knew the ability to engage in clever repartee raised one from the ranks of the dorks. Silly me. A character flaw, perhaps. But then, I don't consider Gan a "dork," either. He doesn't have a vicious wit, but he's reliable and kind. Definitely one of the few B7 people you can trust, as long as that limiter is working. Avon's fun to watch from a safe distance, but I know if given the choice I'd prefer to hang around with Gan. Lorna B. "You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:34:57 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] blake picture and Valentines Day Message-ID: <34E7B3E1.125B@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia Jones wrote: re: > >0'course, I had to turn to page 29 first - Beloved and I were both ROFL ;-) > One of my fondest memories of that con is Judith Proctor very close to > literally ROFL, waving an open copy and giggling hysterically. ok, ok, will someone puleese tell those of us who don't have The Inside Story what these mystery pix portray? Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:28:59 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila Message-ID: <34E7B27B.5D59@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain Coleman wrote: > ... Vila > gives as good as he gets - sometimes better - and Avon respects that. It's > kind of a sparring relationship. Contrast this with Avon's attitude to > Gan: Avon regards Gan as stupid, dull and slow, and treats him with > undisguised contempt. Avon's personal moral code holds the line here always; he does not attack or take advantage of those obviously weaker than himself. In fact, he shows them uncharacteristic courtesy. Examples: Muller's lady. The Priestess in Redemption. Yes, he likes a good verbal / mental contest: with Vila, Blake, Jenna, Dorian, Servalan; anyone with the wits to engage him. Poor Gan isn't even in the same league when it comes to clever repartee. Of course Avon would either dismiss him or humour him. The occassional rude remark does slip out; but who among us can help but be snide on occassion to a dork? Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:12:27 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: <34E7AE9B.1833@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jenni-Alison wrote: > > Redemption: After losing Jenna on the surface, he, Gan and Vila go > back to the surface and expose themselves to excessive radiation > untill they find her, (and Meegat, a woman with taste!). Ok, Blake > does make it clear he expects Avon to do it, but this is one of the > few times Avon doesn't fight with Blake over risking his life. I like to think Avon is simply satisfying his INTJ perfectionist tendencies. This is the first occasion where Blake entrusts to Avon leadership of the "away team." And Avon blows it; loses a crew member (and not a disposable red shirt, either; no, he goes and loses the Silverback's honey). Of course, Avon would choose to redeem himself at any risk rather than live with the specter of failure-as-leader hanging over his head. How could he ever snipe at Blake-as-imperfect-leader again if he blows this one? Perfectionist Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:21:12 -0800 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: <34E7B0A8.7676@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Julia Jones wrote: > At this distance in time, I can't give you specific reasons for why I > felt 19-20 years ago that Blake might want to dump Avon out an airlock, > other than the general insubordination, backchat and trying to undermine > his authority. Well I'm not surprised. When I first saw the 1st season show, as a 30-something adult, not a child, I thought Avon was the nastiest, rudest, jerkiest, back-stabbingist... well, you get the idea. I can well imagine how bad he'd seem to a little kid, trained to obey parental authority, not talk back, play nice, etc. > (Not that I think that Blake is as entitled to that > authority as he does, there were three of them in the boarding party, I say the ship is Blake's. Look at the role each played in the boarding party. Sure, all were forced to go, but Blake lead them. Jenna and Avon were not happy about walking that plank, (Kynvette did a fab fear performance; I really felt for her and admired the courage Jenna mustered) and only went because Blake was there to lead them. And if it weren't for Blake and his takeover attempt, none of them would have been sent aboard. Also, it was Blake who disabled the attack-cloud and Blake who disabled Riker. The big rebel wins on all counts. And so he wins the ship. Plain as the nose on your face, Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:43:47 +0000 From: Reuben To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] ROFL Message-ID: <34E799C7.A455256A@reuben.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to be out of it or whatever, but I see this alot. What does it mean, I presume humorous. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:38:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Sat 14 Feb, AChevron@aol.com wrote: > Nasty little question, and good answers on both sides. Who would be safer > to work for, Blake, or Avon? Judith, you make a very good case for Blake, but > I think I have to disagree with your assessment. You point to The Web, > Hostage, and Deliverance as cases in Blake's favor. But Avon would certainly > have sacrificed the Decimas in favor of a crewmate, Well, of course he would. Avon didn't care about the Decimas in the first place. Blake did. For Blake, it was a hard decision. Any how would you feel about that moral judgement if you were a Decima? Why is it considered virtuous to put the good of a friend before the good of many people? > Avon can and will use others to his own purpose, but at least he's honest > about it. As long as you ask the right questions, anyways. His world-view is > far more condusive to long-term survival, I think, than a man who won't kill > an enemy with a plague because it might spread out of control, but who will > kill those same millions who might have died anyways by destroying the > computer they rely on. Why do Avon fans never, ever, mention that Avon *was* willing to release the plague? What is the difference between a man who is willing to kill millions to get the risk of a few pursuit ships off his back and a man who risks the lives of many to try and achieve freedom for millions more? Answer - one wears black leather and the other doesn't. I'm not getting at you, Deborah (because I know you better than that), just at life in general. It's just a frequent attitute that because Avon is gorgeous, he can do no wrong. Sex appeal and morality are not necessarily linked. I heard once that good looking people are less likely to get convicted in court. I believe it. Casting directors frequently reinforce this image. How often does an ugly person get cast in a lead role? Very rarely. How often are beautiful people villains? Not as often as they ought to be, and when they are, it's often as the 'charming rogue' type. People *have* to be consistent. None of the characters were perfect. I would never claim Blake as perfect, but I get extremely frustrated when people recall only 'good' deeds of one characer and only 'bad' deeds of another. (again, I'm not necessarily thinking of you) If Carol wasn't doing such an able job of defending Tarrant's record, I'd have been joining in there too when he was being shredded recently. Disliking a character (and I'm not drawn to Tarrant) is no reason to deny his heroic actions such as piloting Scorpio down to Gauda Prime to allow the others to escape. If everyone else was picking Avon to shreds, I'd list his good deeds, but it's funny (sarcasm mode on) I never seem to be called on to do that. (sarcasm mode off) If Blake was claimed as perfect, I'd dig out his darker side (and he certainly had one), but I never have to do that either... Judith (I suspect I'm ranting a bit. Please make a allowances for a day in which I have been severely tempted to strangle my younger son. It was bad enough to make me lose my voice again and I'm totally stressed out.) PS. I became a fan of Gan because I was fed up of seeing him rubbished. He wasn't stupid - he'd never had a chance at a decent education. When given the chance to learn, he took it (we see him studying with Orac). Besides, there are times when a kind, gentle, sympathetic, loyal man comes as a relief. Like today. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:22:35 +1100 From: Ross Mallett To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:21 PM -0800 15/2/98, Pat Patera wrote: >Julia Jones wrote: >> At this distance in time, I can't give you specific reasons for why I >> felt 19-20 years ago that Blake might want to dump Avon out an airlock, >> other than the general insubordination, backchat and trying to undermine >> his authority. >Well I'm not surprised. When I first saw the 1st season show, as a >30-something adult, not a child, I thought Avon was the nastiest, >rudest, jerkiest, back-stabbingist... well, you get the idea. I can well >imagine how bad he'd seem to a little kid, trained to obey parental >authority, not talk back, play nice, etc. Well, I watched the show first-run as a child, starting with the third episode. Having missed the first two eps, I saw Avon as the central character. No matter that the show was named after Blake! To me, Blake was a refugee from Star Trek while Avon was the cleverest, noblest, coolest, sexiest guy on tv! He was my hero! I wanted to be just like Avon! Program computers! Thumb my nose at authority! Having screaming affairs with married wimmin! And best of all, white-ant lobsters* like Blake! (And I did too!) * Australian-ism: head full of shit and tail full of meat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:45:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack To: Lysator cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] *Original* B7 costumes for sale Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi everyone! The following costumes, which appeared in 'Blake's 7', are for sale. For each costume the episode in which it appeared is given, and the price in *POUNDS STERLING*. Please e-mail me directly if you're interested in buying, or have any queries: umm10@cam.ac.uk These are *ORIGINAL* costumes from the programme, not copies. Please note that it's becoming more and more likely that I shall be making a trip for one day to Deliverance. It may be possible for people to arrange to reserve costumes for collection at Deliverance. These are *bargains*, mate!! Una ;) COSTUME PRICE EPISODE Soolin's green flight suit 250 Warlord Blake's thermal suit top 140 Hostage Carnell's jacket 45 Weapon Gerren's jacket 50 Games Jarvik's grey jumpsuit 80 Harvest Of Kairos Robot body suit 60 Volcano Ven Glynd's robe 45 Voice From The Past Goth Warrior top 25 The Keeper Delegate's robes (X2) 25 (each) Voice From The Past --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG United Kingdom http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:38:39 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: <887622819.2018163.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I always find Judith's posts on these subjects very interesting, because she thinks about things in the same way that I do, but often comes to quite different conclusions. I think the moral questions are at the heart of B7 - if you leave them out it would be like listening to a song if you are tone deaf. > Why is it considered virtuous to put the good of a friend before the good of > many people? Because it is more human. It is harder to believe in the reality of large numbers of anonymous people. We evolved to respond sympathetically to our friends. Social morality is less instinctive. We have to tell ourselves 'these are people like me'. For instance perhaps we shouldn't buy our friends birthday presents - we should send the money to Oxfam where it will feed a dozen kids. But we don't, we put our friends happy face before feeding a hungry kid. I think if we judge morality against a standard of perfection we make it easy to be immoral. Being good becomes an impossible ideal. > It's just a frequent attitute that because Avon is gorgeous, he > can do no wrong. Sex appeal and morality are not necessarily linked. I heard > once that good looking people are less likely to get convicted in court. I > believe it. Casting directors frequently reinforce this image. How often does > an ugly person get cast in a lead role? Very rarely. How often are beautiful > people villains? Not as often as they ought to be, and when they are, it's > often as the 'charming rogue' type. But I've been thinking exactly the opposite to this over the last week, reading these posts. People make a division between gorgeous and wicked vs. virtuous and boring. You know this idea that 'women fancy bastards', 'yeah, yeah, but he's drop dead gorgeous'. {PS begging for a video alert} To my mind this lets lust-objects off the hook too easily. The boring ones can say 'I may not be glamerous but I'm safe' and the nasty ones can say 'I may be rotten but at least I'm not boring'. This is that same Nietzsche thing that was discssed a few days ago. So, I don't emphasise Avon's morality because I fancy him, but to say that I don't fancy him for being a bastard - quite the reverse. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:05:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 15 Feb 1998, Judith Proctor wrote: > > Do we ever see Avon laugh or give a large smile at any other time than when > things are at their absolute worst? eg. Horizon (when he has to go to the > rescue), Gold (when the money is useless), Terminal (the end), Blake (the end). Well, there's the big grin/chuckle of "What would you know about guilt?" "Only what I've read." I always liked that one. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:50:26 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" Subject: [B7L] Re: Safety Message-ID: <199802160650_MC2-337A-E477@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Judith said: >Do we ever see Avon laugh or give a large >smile at any other time than when things >are at their absolute worst? Large smile - end of Ultraworld. On the Tarrant-boarding-the-Liberator front, what would he have done with the ship if none of the original crew had returned? OK, he might never have worked out how to communicate with Zen. Let's say if the Liberator had picked up Vila only (I know there was no one to operate the teleport and Orac was on Sarran, but for the purposes of the argument Tarrant happens to sit on the relevant button as they're passing Chenga. Also for the purposes of the argument, Tarrant has the option of dumping Vila out of the airlock after sorting out the voiceprint, or else one of Klegg's men suddenly revives just long enough to shoot V in the back, as I really want to know what Tarrant does if he's alone). Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:14:41 EST From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality Message-ID: <6b3eee04.34e82db3@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-16 03:07:48 EST, you write: << What is the difference between a man who is willing to kill millions to get the risk of a few pursuit ships off his back and a man who risks the lives of many to try and achieve freedom for millions more? Answer - one wears black leather and the other doesn't. >> well, the leather DOES lend a certain appeal:) But I'll stand by my consideration that Avon was the smarter man in this situation. Or at least Blake could have come to a compromise. Servalan, is, after all, a worthwhile military target. Avon's idea was to let her land and get destroyed by the virus. Within a couple of hours any ships that landed would have been crewless. Liberator could have hung out nearby and picked off a stray ship, THEN posted the quarantine warning. I doubt that Avon would have objected. But Blake doesn't even consider any alternatives. After all, this IS a military base, apparantly with minimal traffic. The odds the the disease ever getting off-world were small to start with, and a couple of quick steps would have minimized that risk. I think part of my annoyance with Blake here is that I keep thinking Servalan managed to get a sample of the bug and ended up using it on Auron, making Blake an unwitting accomplice to genocide. Just like her to twist Blake's "good deed". Enough for now. Look forward to seeing you next month, Judith:) Deborah Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:26:45 +1000 From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Avon's smile Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980216232645.007b0eb0@wire.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Judith said: >Do we ever see Avon laugh or give a large smile at any other time than when >things are at their absolute worst? Well, I just watched 'Power' again for the first time in years (and discover to my astonishment that it's not as thoroughly awful as I recalled, though several bits of bad dialogue and an awful lot of very bad acting still leave their traumatising mark...) The point of which is, when Gunsar has to get whasisname, the smart hairy one, to remind him of his leader speech, Avon find this very funny and stands there with a big smile and something very like an amused snort. That boy has definitely got a peculiar sense of humour. :-) Narrelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:32:21 +1000 From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Cross overs Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980216233221.007b0da0@wire.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom - I won't cut and paste the whole cricket game, but I would like you to know how much I laughed!!! Dayna and ball tampering.... Soolin shooting the balls she doesn't like the look of.... Vila pinching the wicket.... BWAH-HAHAHAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Honey, you have *no* idea how much I needed that laugh today! Thanks! Narrelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:36:40 +1000 From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: safety Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980216233640.007b1930@wire.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just to add a little weight to Julia's thinking 20 years ago that Blake might have wanted to give Avon the Short Tour of the airlock... I have probably mentioned before that the very first time I ever saw an episode, I was wondering just the same thing. Of course, I was somehow under the impression at the time that Avon was an android, and I also wondered why no-one else had brains enough to reprogram it with a more pleasant personality. What can I say? I was young.... Narrelle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax "Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit; by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:32:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Iain Coleman To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Power (was Avon's smile) Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris wrote: > > Well, I just watched 'Power' again for the first time in years (and > discover to my astonishment that it's not as thoroughly awful as I > recalled, though several bits of bad dialogue and an awful lot of very bad > acting still leave their traumatising mark...) > > The point of which is, when Gunsar has to get whasisname, the smart hairy > one, to remind him of his leader speech, Avon find this very funny and > stands there with a big smile and something very like an amused snort. > Ah yes, a lovely moment. I really like almost all of "Power", and really detest a total of about five minutes of it. It's another Ben Steed script of course - and can't you just imagine him down the pub? "Women, I'll tell you about women.Slap them around a bit, show 'em who's boss, that's what they like really. And those, what d'you call them, lesbos, they just need a real man to sort them out. Slags, the lot of 'em." Fortunately, the production does a good job of working against the script, giving us lovely moments like Gunsar doing his embroidery, and the distinct abiguity about the feelings of Gunsar's wife (which is all in the acting, not the lines). Also, in fairness to Steed, there is some very nice dialogue here - especially the relationship between Gunsar and his much brighter subordinate. The reminder about the words of the speech is one, the dispute over how many rivals Gunsar has killed is another. The only really glaring flaw in the episode is Avon's bit about "A man's strength will always be greater": not only is it rather a questionable statement, it's also totally out of character. The really misogynistic bits are left to the subtext: (1) Pella (it _is_ Pella? I can't quite recall) psychically firing Avon's crossbow, killing Mr Hairy-but-smart. Women, you see, manipulate men into fighting their battles for them, the devious tarts. (2) (This is the one that really pisses me off) The women psychically help Dayna in her battle with Gunsar: women don't fight fair, because they can't win a fair fight, but they gang up in secret and stab you in the back. (3) What women really want, deep down, is to be subordinate to men. They might not realise it at first, but eventually they come to find that they're happier that way. Of course, it has to be a Real Man. Despite all this, it's a well-made episode, and quite enjoyable if you ignore the not-so-very-subtle message. (And Leni Riefenstahl's films are very enjoyable if you ignore all that Nazi stuff). It's a real pity about season4. It started well - "Rescue" is very good, "Power" is mostly enjoyable, and "Traitor" is generally excellent, with a couple of iffy bits - and the last 6 are very strong, with only a small dip at "Warlord". But mid-season... urgh. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:46:52 +1100 From: Ross Mallett To: blake7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] ROFL Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:43 AM +0000 16/2/98, Reuben wrote: >Sorry to be out of it or whatever, but I see this alot. What does it >mean, I presume humorous. > >Reuben Rolling on Floor Laughing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:07:19 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety Message-ID: <199802161407.JAA14585@yfn.ysu.edu> Harriest asked: >On the Tarrant-boarding-the-Liberator front, what would he have done with >the ship if none of the original crew had returned? OK, he might never >have worked out how to communicate with Zen. Let's say if the Liberator >had picked up Vila only (I know there was no one to operate the teleport >and Orac was on Sarran, but for the purposes of the argument Tarrant >happens to sit on the relevant button as they're passing Chenga. Also for >the purposes of the argument, Tarrant has the option of dumping Vila out of >the airlock after sorting out the voiceprint, or else one of Klegg's men >suddenly revives just long enough to shoot V in the back, as I really want >to know what Tarrant does if he's alone). Interesting question. Here's my quick-quick response (I might have a different answer three hours from now). I would hope that Tarrant would realize that it wouldn't be prudent for him to keep the ship. He can't man Liberator alone very easily, especially when it's an infamous ship that's going to attract unwanted attention to someone who is already on the Federation Wanted List. I'm not even sure I'd advise him to try selling it or giving it away. In "Powerplay" he said "Greed makes for very efficient troopers." "Greed" for Liberator would make anyone he contacted very efficient. And if they were so inclined to simply kill him and take the ship, that's what would happen. And I don't think he can give it away for similar reasons. Say he wanted to give it to a rebel cell. Well, Tarrant's an ex-officer and it wouldn't be unlikely that they'd not trust him. The smart thing for a rebel to do in that situation is kill Tarrant and take the ship. There is the possibility that he could recruit a crew, but it didn't sound as if Tarrant was very trusting of people at that time. It's one thing to ally yourself with Avon and company who are there on the scene. Fate has brought them together; give it a try. But unless he already had other contacts he trusted from his mercenary and smuggling activities (and why isn't he with them if that's the case?), then I'd advise him against gathering a crew. So if Tarrant thought things through and was able to resist the lure of piloting "Liberator" (no laughing at that--sometimes Tarrant did think and plan ahead), I'd hope he'd take off in the Death Squad's ship and forget about Liberator. Mind you, I'm not at all sure he could resist the temptation of Liberator and do that. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:13:41 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila Message-ID: <199802161413.JAA14933@yfn.ysu.edu> Lorna wrote: >But then, I don't consider Gan a "dork," either. He doesn't have a vicious >wit, but he's reliable and kind. Definitely one of the few B7 people you >can trust, as long as that limiter is working. Avon's fun to watch from a >safe distance, but I know if given the choice I'd prefer to hang around with >Gan. I agree that wit isn't a measure of intelligence. I've always assumed that Gan was just too nice of a person to want to play the daily sarcasm game. And I've always thought that rumors of his stupidity were greatly exaggerated. He's the one who takes charge when the London dumps its load of prisoners on Cygnus Alpha. He's the one who found fault with dealing with the Terra Nostra. I like the big guy. He was a mature, calming presence on Liberator. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:03:08 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: On My Mind Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pat wrote: >>Yet she was in the alien's mind when Avon had his moment of smouldering intimacy with the creature; and during that looong kiss. So now she had tasted her dream, albeit thru another, all the while having the sweetness of the moment tainted by her personal knowledge of Avon's cold deviousness and fierce devotion to his own freedom. Oh, Cally knew that no good would come of that kiss, even while she melted beneath it. And the tears were for that moment of realization that never again would she taste such sweetness, never again would Avon kiss her, for such a moment would evermore be tainted with the bitter memory of the alien's effrontry, hubris, and pleading.<< Whoa! Looks like an excerpt from a Jude Devereaux novel! Quite a nice explanation, too....could even be believable! I'm more caught up in how it's written, though.... I'd like to see that romance novel when it's finished... Grace Robbins robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:52:12 -0700 (MST) From: The Doctor To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, drwho-l@lists.pipex.com Subject: [B7L] 35 years of DW and 20 years of B7 Message-Id: <199802161652.JAA16387@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) DW what would you do here? 2) B7, should we have a 20th Anniversary show bringing back Blake and the lot? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:58:49 -0500 From: natlyn@mindspring.com (Natalie Barnes) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Cross-overs Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tom wrote: >The Krikkit Robots' first innings of 512 was >only halted when Dayna started bowling hand-grenades. We never quite saw >where she produced them from, This is great! I love a little grounding in episodes to make a parody more powerful. > Tarrant blinded one by flashing the sun off >his teeth, and wicketkeeper Soolin just shot the final two in the back. So Hee hee. You really are quite clever. >After the unfortunate events of tea, Soolin comes in. She has a nasty habit >of shooting the balls she doesn't like the look of, which does save her >wicket a couple of times, but gets her a stern warning from the umpire. Being an American, I didn't get some of the details, but your scenario had me laughing out loud on several occasions. Thanx for the frivolity Natalie ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 1998 09:46:16 -0800 From: "Ma.James" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Something Amusing Message-ID: I'm days behind in my lysator reading so I'm reading tons of posts all at once and I've noticed something rather amusing. Carol Kinkade who is the most devout Avonphile around seems to be spending most of her time defending Tarrant. And Carol McCoy who, of course, is the godmother of Tarrant fandom is spending most of her time defending Avon. Well, *I* thought it was amusing. ;) Shela Ma (An A/T Fan!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:18:52 +0000 From: Reuben Herfindahl To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] New Who, Blake's Message-ID: <34E82E7D.69010709@reuben.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D3EDA921BA126C2100FCF1C9" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D3EDA921BA126C2100FCF1C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] 35 years of DW and 20 years of B7 > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:01:46 +0000 > From: Reuben Herfindahl > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > References: <199802161652.JAA16387@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> > > The Doctor wrote: > > > 1) DW what would you do here? > > Bring back Syl and Sophie, pretend the TV movie never happened and have a new > regular series produced by the BBC with the same volume of shows as in the early > sixties, but with the production values of Trial of a Timelord.(Well, a fan can > dream can't he?) > > > > > > > 2) B7, should we have a 20th Anniversary show bringing back Blake and the lot? > > This would be a lot tougher to pull off. Gareth still looks very Blakeish, but > Paul and Michael look fairly differnt. It could always be set 20 years later. > Not trying to too badly offend anyone, but I think Blake, Avon, and Villa would be > the only vital charecters to bring back. Maybe ORAC too. > More fan dreaming. > > Reuben > reuben@reuben.net > http://www.reuben.net/drwho/ > http://www.reuben.net/blake/ --------------D3EDA921BA126C2100FCF1C9 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost) by athena.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with internal id MAA32493; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:18:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:18:59 -0600 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199802161818.MAA32493@athena.host4u.net> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="MAA32493.887653139/athena.host4u.net" Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --MAA32493.887653139/athena.host4u.net The original message was received at Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:18:54 -0600 from [205.213.74.225] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mailhost.lysator.liu.se.: >>> RCPT To:<blakes7@lysator.liu.se> <<< 550 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>... 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User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:18:58 -0600 --MAA32493.887653139/athena.host4u.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from reuben.net ([205.213.74.225]) by athena.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA32487 for <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:18:54 -0600 Message-ID: <34E82A7C.8F876537@reuben.net> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:01:46 +0000 From: Reuben Herfindahl Reply-To: reuben@reuben.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] 35 years of DW and 20 years of B7 References: <199802161652.JAA16387@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Doctor wrote: > 1) DW what would you do here? Bring back Syl and Sophie, pretend the TV movie never happened and have a new regular series produced by the BBC with the same volume of shows as in the early sixties, but with the production values of Trial of a Timelord.(Well, a fan can dream can't he?) > > > 2) B7, should we have a 20th Anniversary show bringing back Blake and the lot? This would be a lot tougher to pull off. Gareth still looks very Blakeish, but Paul and Michael look fairly differnt. It could always be set 20 years later. Not trying to too badly offend anyone, but I think Blake, Avon, and Villa would be the only vital charecters to bring back. Maybe ORAC too. More fan dreaming. Reuben reuben@reuben.net http://www.reuben.net/drwho/ http://www.reuben.net/blake/ --MAA32493.887653139/athena.host4u.net-- --------------D3EDA921BA126C2100FCF1C9-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:40:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Straight Blakes Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 On Sun 15 Feb, Jenni-Alison wrote: > You wrote: > > > So. If you want Straight Blakes at the US price rather than the UK > price (ie. > > without the airmail postage cost), then let me know within the next > week and > > I'll have them for Deliverance. (If you can't collect at > Delivernace, then you > > wouldn't save much on the cost as I'll have to post it again.) > > > > I'd like a copy very much, please. Would you like a cheque in > advance? Also, I'm planning to get a whole list of zines I'd like to > buy from you to collect at Deliverance - how soon do you need a list > of them? (I havn't worked out which ones yet - if I can afford it > most of what you sell will be straight into my collection) No, no. Pay me at the con. Lists of zines that I publish that I publish myself are useful upto two or three weeks before the con. They're mainly useful to me as a guide to what I need to reprint. I expect to have plenty of copies of most zines, but will only have a small stock of some of the older ones. Any overseas zines that I agent, I need requests here and now as I don't keep them in stock and have to get them over from the US. I'll have a few in hand of the most popular ones, but cannot possibly have stock of all the titles I agent. Thus, anyone wanting zines like Deadlier Than the Male, Gambit, Southern Seven, Straight Blakes, Blakes Doubles, etc. please tell me now, as closer to the con, it will either be too late to get them, or else too late to get them at a non-airmail price. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #49 *************************************