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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 50
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Countdown
[B7L] UK Gold
[B7L] Who would you work for
[B7L] Re: Progress Report 2
[B7L] Gan
Re: [B7L] Countdown
[B7L] B7 20 years later
Re: [B7L] *Original* B7 costumes for sale
[B7L] Deliverance
Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
[B7L] Sevenfold Crown
Re: [B7L] Deliverance
[B7L] Safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
Re: [B7L] Deliverance
Re: SC: [B7l]: Spam Mail
Re: [B7L] Gan
Re: [B7L] Who would you work for
Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
[B7L] Dr. Love
Re: [B7L] Power (was Avon's smile)
Re: Re: [B7L] On My Mind
Re: [B7L] On My Mind
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
[B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic
Re: [B7L] Safety
Re: [B7L] Avon Morals
Re: [B7L] B7 20 years later
Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
[B7L] Re: Power
Re: [B7L] Re: Power
Re: [B7L] Re: Power
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:57:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Countdown
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On Mon 16 Feb, Carol A. McCoy wrote:
> >Do we ever see Avon laugh or give a large smile at any other time than when
> >things are at their absolute worst? eg. Horizon (when he has to go to the
> >rescue), Gold (when the money is useless), Terminal (the end), Blake (the end).
>
> I probably have Avon smiles tagged in my visual notes of the series that
> I use for music vidding, but I don't have time to sift through them
> all now. There's a smile in "Countdown" when he's where the
> solium bomb is located. I think that's after they disarm it, but I'm
> not sure.
Isn't that the 'and now they can't teleport us back again' smile?
That has to be another in the 'laughing at possible death' category.
I always felt that staying to disarm that bomb was his way of saying how much
Anna had meant to him. That and being macho to Grant - they were very much
competing with one another because of the bad blood between them. (I fear that
he cared very little about the people of Albion)
On the 'risking neck for friends' category, where does Blake staying behind in
Countdown rate?
It was a futile gesture, but it does suggest how strongly Blake felt about Avon.
(My personal assumption is that he probably let Vila teleport up at around 15
seconds before it was due to blow, but there is absolutely nothing in the
episode to tell one way or another)
There are many possible interpretations of this scene. Was Blake showing
solidarity with the people of Albion or with Avon? Was he right to make Vila
stay too? (though Vila was perfectly capcable of taking three steps sideways
and saying 'teleport' whether Blake wanted him to or not) Do people like Blake
mroe for his wilingness to risk his neck, or do they like him less because it
couldn't have achieved anything?
At what point in the count do people think Blake would have chickened out?
Why do people think Blake stayed?
And in the Blake protecting his crew category, add in his comment to Grant, 'if
anything happens to Avon, I'll come looking for you.' He sounded very
convincing.
Judith
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http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:02:03 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] UK Gold
Message-Id: <298211217MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Julie Horner said: "But they didn't! Today (15th Feb) should
have been Terminal and we just got a double Dr Who omnibus.
I am distraught as I too am watching most of these for the first
time. Is there anybody out there with a Cable or Satellite guide
for the rest of the month who can reassure me that this is only a
temporary hiatus and not UK Gold abandoning us 3/4 of the
way through?"
This is UK Gold's normal pattern. Every time their showing of
Dr Who lets them put on an omnibus, Blake's 7 gets scrapped.
Cult Times lists Terminal for Sunday 22nd February. I haven't
got a March guide yet.
You'll have to buy the videos though at some point cos most of
the UK Gold episodes are rather clumsily cut I've heard.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:36:13 +0000
From: "Wendy Duffield <Wendy@eurobell.co.uk>" <wendy@eurobell.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Who would you work for
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Someone , sorry i can't remember who, (e-mail program on the blink)
asked who you would prefer to work for Avon or Blake
Well, having fruitlesssly hunted through my e-mail files looking for
one of my posts from ages ago on this very subject i give up <grin>
Why is it you can never find things again when you want them <arrgh>
Anyhow i digress..
I would much rather work for Avon, reasons being.. I love an exiting
life and i have no doubt Avon would give me that.
Okay granted, it may not be a safe life but it would be exiting
non'theless.
no day would be the same and I would love to have somebody to spar
with, buts that me i love arguments/disagreements whatever you want
to call them.
Personally I could not cope with Blakes idealism, I know i would be
far happy with Avon, but i am always being told I live my life far
too close to the edge of the line anyway <grin>
Blake would make me feel safe and secure but as i said I couldn't
cope with being tied by the idealism and the responsibilities that go
with it.
My ideal pair of bosses would be Avon and Vila because when i feel
out with one i could go to the other and they would sympathise and
agree with me about what a ratbag the other had been <smile>
In fact you could probably make a good team with Tarrant and Avon
although they might decide to try to outdo each other and could make
things very unsafe !
Okay that's my Monday evening ramblings over and done with
Wendy
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'Above all , watch with glittering eyes the whole world
around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden
in the most unlikely places.
Those who don't believe in magic will never find it
-Roald Dahl
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Wendy@eurobell.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:39:07 -0700
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Hi again,
I've been trying to send this, but for some reason wasn't able to.
Now I'm trying again, fingers crossed.
Pat
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Author: Patricia Roberts at CMD-COMSYS-CC-P
Date: 2/16/98 11:35 AM
Hi,
The Deliverance 98 Blake's 7 Convention Committee have asked me to place
the following notice on the Lysator and Space City lists concerning
Deliverance Progress Report 2 and specifically the guest update
contained therein. The following is the wording which appears on
Progress Report 2 (which has just been posted out to all those
registered today).
GUEST UPDATE:
At the time of writing, our list of confirmed guests (subject, of
course, to professional committments) is: Gareth Thomas, Sally
Knyvette, Jan Chappell, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pearce, Stephen
Greif, Brian Croucher, David Jackson, Peter Tuddenham, David Maloney
(Producer - Series 1/3), Chris Boucher (Script Editor), Sheelagh Wells
(Make Up Designer), Mat Irvine (Special Effects), Martin Bower (Special
Effects), Stuart Fell (Stunt Co-Ordinator), Joe Nazzaro (Writer) and
Brian Lighthill (Director Gold/Orbit + Producer of The SevenFold Crown).
Some of you may already know that Paul Darrow has accepted a marvellous
opportunity to play Captain Samuel Vimes in the first ever professional
production of a Terry Pratchett novel - +Guards! Guards!+ Despite
Paul's best efforts to try to arrange to be with us on the Sunday, it
just hasn't been possible, and he has sadly had to send his apologies.
Realistically, when you are appearing in London one week (with 2 shows
Friday and 2 shows Saturday) and Newcastle-upon-Tyne the next, and it is
a highly technical show (in which you have the lead role!) requiring a
lot of rehearsal and your full physical and mental attention, an
appearance at a convention a long distance away is not a sensible thing
to try to attempt. We will all obviously miss him, but he will be with
us in spirit and sends us all his best wishes, and with the tour of
+Guards! Guards!+ going around the country until almost the end of June,
we're sure you'll all be able to catch him somewhere. We'll give you
the theatre information to help you (along with those for Jan Chappell,
Michael Keating & Steven Pacey) to help you later in the PR.
Some of you may have heard rumours over the past weeks that Paul
wouldn't be able to attend, but he has only very recently made his final
decision, based on his work schedule, and we felt it was only right that
those already registered for the convention be the first to know (with
the imminent posting of PR2) rather than spreading the word via the
Internet to which many of those registered do not have access.
Another apology has come from Barry Letts (writer of +The SevenFold
Crown+ - the new BBC B7 radio play) who will be overseas over the
convention weekend. We also invited Vere Lorrimer, Steven Pacey and
Sheila Tomlinson (Film Editor) but sadly all had other committments are
weren't able to accept the invitation.
Both Jan Chappell and Michael Keating are now working on the Friday and
Saturday of the convention, but luckily Jan is only just "up the road"
in Telford and Michael (whilst rather further away!) has Saturday 28th
as his "last night" so both +will+ be with us for the Sunday."
Oh, re Horizon NL 37, can you also post the notice that NL 37 was posted
out (UK AND overseas) on 16th December 97. Many overseas members (esp.
Australians/NZers) have complained that they haven't received them.
Well, this time our mailing house sent them all by Royal Mail (rather
than a courier service) and it seems that despite the fact that we (and
the mailing house) PAID for air mail postage, the post office
nevertheless decided to send many of them surface mail! (obviously some
people were +supposed+ to have sea mail ones, but the others weren't.
As we can't replace 50 or so Australian/NZ NLS and airmail postage
without being sure the NLs will never arrive, I'm afraid we're going to
have to let nature (or 'surface mail') take its course and assume they
will be with you by the end of February. If anyone Out There HASN'T
received NL37 and should have (and didn't opt for surface mail!) please
email Diane direct and let her know (diane@horizon.org.uk) with your
full name, address and (preferably) Horizon membership number.
That's it.
Pat
patricia.roberts@lmco.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:58:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Gan
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Pat P. said:
>Poor Gan isn't even in the same league when it comes to
>clever repartee. Of course Avon would either dismiss him or humour him.
>The occassional rude remark does slip out; but who among us can help but
>be snide on occassion to a dork?
Lorna B said:
> I never knew the ability to engage in clever repartee raised one from the
> ranks of the dorks. Silly me. A character flaw, perhaps.
>
> But then, I don't consider Gan a "dork," either. He doesn't have a vicious
> wit, but he's reliable and kind. Definitely one of the few B7 people you
> can trust, as long as that limiter is working. Avon's fun to watch from a
> safe distance, but I know if given the choice I'd prefer to hang around with
> Gan.
Hear hear!
Deborah pointed out that Avon was very positive about wanting to help Gan in
'Breakdown'. An important point in Avon's favour, because he could be pretty
snipey on occasion.
One can look at the relationship between Avon and Gan as emphasising the nature
of the series. Avon has some wonderful lines delivered superbly which is one of
the reasons why we love him. But lines like "I'm not stupid, I'm not expendable
and I'm not going." also have their victims. On screen, I love him for lines
like that, but in real life, if he said that about two frineds of mine, I'd want
to clobber him!
Deborah also said with regard to Breakdown:
>
> Perhaps Gan's utter honesty affectted him more than he
> realized, or he was impressed by Gan's determination to do the best he could(
> putting up with Orac as a tutor would have driven all the Alphas on board
> bonkers, I think).
I like that phrase 'utter honesty'.
If either of you are at Deliverance, ask me for a Gan Defence Leage oak leaf. I
think you both deserve one.
Incidentally, it must be several years since we had the really interesting 'was
Gan actually a psycopath' thread and I suspect a lot of newer members might not
have seen it. Anyone fancy a repeat of that discussion, especially in light of
a very good article in Horizon on the subject?
Judith
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:04:00 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Countdown
Message-ID: <199802162004.PAA13052@yfn.ysu.edu>
Judith asked about Avon's "Countdown" smile:
>Isn't that the 'and now they can't teleport us back again' smile?
I couldn't remember, so I just stuck in a tape to check. It's
not until after they know they were successful. So it isn't a
smiling in the face of death moment.
>On the 'risking neck for friends' category, where does Blake staying behind in
>Countdown rate?
Minus ten. He wasn't doing Avon any good by staying there. And there was
even less reason to force Vila to stay. I'd say it ranks right up there
with Tarrant's objecting to Avon getting into the spacesuit in "Dawn."
A noble gesture but not very practical. And while each had the right to
risk his own life, he didn't have the right to insist that a shipmate
do the same. If Avon felt like he would have been safer in the spacesuit,
he had every right to put one on. If Vila wanted to leave, he should have
been allowed to leave.
Carol McCoy
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Date: 16 Feb 1998 12:10:22 -0800
From: "Kinkade.Carol" <kinkade.carol@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] B7 20 years later
Message-ID: <n1324491378.1375@SSDGWY.mdc.com>
>Reuben wrote:
>>2) B7, should we have a 20th Anniversary show bringing back Blake and
>>the lot?
>This would be a lot tougher to pull off. Gareth still looks very Blakeish,
>but Paul and Michael look fairly differnt. It could always be set 20 years
>later.
Paul *still* looks absolutely wonderful, thank you very much! I'd love to see
Paul play Avon twenty years later, to Gareth's Blake. It would be fascinating.
In fact, I'd love to see a radio play produced with just Avon and Blake stuck in
some situation or other, exchanging dialogue.
>Not trying to too badly offend anyone, but I think Blake, Avon, and Villa
>would be the only vital charecters to bring back. Maybe ORAC too.
I agree, ;) but would include Jackie Pearce.
>More fan dreaming.
I agree :(
Carol K
(AVON RULES!!!!)
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:47:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] *Original* B7 costumes for sale
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On Mon 16 Feb, Una McCormack wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> The following costumes, which appeared in 'Blake's 7', are for sale. For
> each costume the episode in which it appeared is given, and the price in
> *POUNDS STERLING*. Please e-mail me directly if you're interested in
> buying, or have any queries: umm10@cam.ac.uk
>
> These are *ORIGINAL* costumes from the programme, not copies.
I recognise this list. I bought my Blake shirt from the same source. That came
with the original auction documentation from when it was sold by the BBC and
details of the costume also convinced me it was the real thing.
In other words, if Una wants independent confirmation that these really are
originals, then I'd be happy to give it.
> Soolin's green flight suit 250 Warlord
And if you aren't a Soolin fan, remember that Avon wore an identical flight
suit...
Judith
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:44:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance
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Paul Darrow is now confirmed as a non-guest for Deliverance. (on the
Deliverance web page)
His work in 'Guard Guards' simply makes it impossible for him to be there. The
con committee did make every effort to try and make it possible for him to be
there, and Paul regrets that he can't make it.
We'll all miss him. Watching Paul and Gareth on stage together is something I
really really enjoy.
Still, we have an amazing number of other guests to look forward to, loads of
friends to meet and new ones to make, and lots of interesting things to do.
Judith
PS. I hope as many people as possible are going to see the play. I know some of
the overseas fans are including it in their trip.
PPS. Let's see, Steven isn't there, Paul isn't there. Gulp, does this mean I
have to share Gareth? Phew, Michael's there too. I'm told he's a lovely sweet
person. You lot go and follow him <grin>. Actually, Stephen Greiff sounds
rather nice as well. And then there's Brian Croucher, and Jackie (who is simply
amazing) and David Jackson (who I'm told has a wonderful singing voice) and
David Maloney (the producer) and Jan and Sally (who both look a lot less older
than the men do) and various other people besides. Yes, you can leave Gareth
for lil ole me can't you? You don't want a 53 year old, overweight,
white-haired Welshman...
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:47:30 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
Message-ID: <GlgBoAACnI60EwbH@jajones.demon.co.uk>
(I'm sick of the sight of my suitcase:-)
In message <199802161413.JAA14933@yfn.ysu.edu>, "Carol A. McCoy"
<ay648@yfn.ysu.edu> writes
<snip>
>I agree that wit isn't a measure of intelligence. I've always assumed
>that Gan was just too nice of a person to want to play the daily
>sarcasm game. And I've always thought that rumors of his stupidity
>were greatly exaggerated.
I think Gan's problem is being someone of average (or even above
average) intelligence in a group ranging from very intelligent to genius
- he looks stupid by comparison, even though objectively he isn't.
And yes, the Boy Genius in leather was supposed to be a genius,
according to those who've seen the series background material produced
by the Beeb.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:31:55 -0000
From: "Jennifer Beavan" <J.Beavan@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
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Louise said >. But if I were a close friend I'd probably
> trust Avon more, if I were a more casual acquaintance I'd put my faith in
> Blake 8-)
You mean like Vila and Gan in Orbit and Breakdown?
Jennifer
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:41:53 -0700
From: Patricia Roberts <Patricia.Roberts@lmco.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown
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Diane of Horizon has asked me to pass on the following.
Diane was talking to Brian Lighthill the other day and he has asked
her to pass on all the comments from the fans about the radio play
(preferably constructive ones on what they liked and didn't like, and
what they'd like to see next time, not just "that was crap!" or such,
obviously!!!
So if people would like to send their letters to her at the club
address, or e-mail her at diane@horizon.org.uk with the subject
heading "Sevenfold Crown - to the BBC", she'll know you want your
comments passed on.
Let's hope that we will get more radio plays in the future.
Pat
patricia.roberts@lmco.com
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:10:25 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance
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In message <Marcel-1.09-0216194402-ab5Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>, Judith
Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes
> Yes, you can leave Gareth
>for lil ole me can't you? You don't want a 53 year old, overweight,
>white-haired Welshman...
>
<evil grin>
Wanna bet?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:09:46 PST
From: "Sam Blume" <samblume@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Safety
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This is my first post after lurking for a couple of months.
Who's crew would I rather be part of? Blake. Definitely Blake. Why?
Because I'd like to live to see my next birthday and the numbers show
that I'm more likely to be puffing at candles next June if Blake's
the leader: one man lost v. seven or nine if you count the computers.
Orac managed to survive Avon but not much else did. It wouldn't be
dull, mind, but the excitement would be in a good cause. Besides,
Blake doesn't lead from behind or use his people as decoys without
their knowing about it. I like his style. He has his faults, like a
wicked temper and pride that sometimes gets in the way, but when
all's said and done, I'd rather cope with that than a leader who tries
threatening me or sticking a gun in my naval to get his own way.
Just MODO,
Sam Blume
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:24:27 PST
From: "Sam Blume" <samblume@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
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This one caught my eye last week but I didn't have time to answer...
AChevron wrote:
> Avon can and will use others to his own purpose, but at least
> he's honest about it. As long as you ask the right questions,
> anyways
You mean like Cally did in "Hostage," or more like Tarrant did in
"Terminal"? Since Blake is up front about wanting to use the Liberator
to damage the Federation, it looks to me like he is perfectly honest
about his intentions. He also doesn't make you play 20 Questions before
telling you what you need to know to make a decision. Most of the time,
anyways.
Just MODO,
Sam Blume
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:22:18 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance
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In a message dated 98-02-16 17:27:10 EST, you write:
<< for lil ole me can't you? You don't want a 53 year old, overweight,
>white-haired Welshman...
>
<evil grin>
Wanna bet?
--
Julia Jones
>>
Judith, you've done too good a job at defending/extolling/praising the
lad!...
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:36:17 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: SC: [B7l]: Spam Mail
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Sam Slade (robohunter) asked:
> I've seen some peoples email where their return email address has extra
> characters (usually 3 X's) that mean their real address cannot be picked
> up by automatic mailers. Does anybody know how this works? It would be
> very useful to most postees.
Oh, that's just to make your address human-readable, but so that a spam-bot
(i.e. an automatic program that just scans mailing lists for addresses)
can't. I'm fairly sure Lysator, SC and the spin list are free of spam-bot
eyes (because I've had no problems so far), but if I were worried, I could
write my address Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com thusly:
Tom<dot>Forsyth<at>btinternet<dot>com
XXXTom.ForsythXXX@XXXbtinternet.comXXX
Tom.removethismeaninglessjunk.Forsyth@btinternet.com.junk.junk.junk
....and so on. Any old system that is blindingly obvious to humans works
fine. Of course, it's only a matter of time before the spambots get
cleverer...
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:16:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "Katherin M. McArthur" <mcarthur@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Gan
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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Judith Proctor wrote:
> Incidentally, it must be several years since we had the really interesting 'was
> Gan actually a psycopath' thread and I suspect a lot of newer members might not
> have seen it. Anyone fancy a repeat of that discussion, especially in light of
> a very good article in Horizon on the subject?
Well, I don't think that any real evidence of him having been a
psychopath before the installation of the limiter is offered. Yes, when
the limiter malfunctions he goes wacko, but that could be attributed to
having this broken thing stuck in his brain.
Presumably his mental health was good enough before the attack on
his 'woman' that he was able to get well into adulthood without any
admitted psycho episodes. (This is all assuming he's telling the truth,
of course. You could create a scenario in which he's lying in order not
to get kicked off the ship, but that requires going outside evidence
given on the show...)
--Katie
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:17:45 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: wendy@eurobell.co.uk
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Who would you work for
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'Twas I who brought up the question of whether folks would rather work
for Avon or Blake. And for the person who brought up the matter of depth
of relationship, I did mean as a regular long-term crew member, not the
expendible allies that come and go. Of course, Avon's _not_ good to have
as a casual acquaintance.
(and no, being willing to sacrifice a hundred people for one friend
would not be moral. But if you're the one friend, it might give you a
feeling of safety, which was the issue.)
Helen/Avona
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:26:49 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
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I think Gan's problem is being someone of average (or even above
average) intelligence in a group ranging from very intelligent to genius
- he looks stupid by comparison, even though objectively he isn't.
And yes, the Boy Genius in leather was supposed to be a genius,
according to those who've seen the series background material produced
by the Beeb.
Exactly what I was going to bring up. We know that Blake and Avon are
Alphas, I would say 90 percentile and above would fit into that
category. They get to be the movers & shakers in the Federation and get
all the perks. Betas are a grade lower, but higher than average
intellence. They probably get a lot of middle management and research
support type jobs. Remeber the genius they classified as Beta to make
him more intense about proving himself? Gan is probably aa Gamma, the
general group of steady workers. He represents Everyman, in a way. And
he's not at all stupid or slow, he just doesn't have the same background
that the others do. In personal experience, "average" epople are capable
of performing at very high levels of intellect _if_ they are given the
chance to get into it and the moral support. Most people are limited
more by what they _think_ they can do, than what they really can. Gan
was willing to learn new skills, and as such, would have been very
valuable to the team if he'd been given enough time.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:18:49 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Dr. Love
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On another list I'm on, we've been discussing how suitable our partners are
for us. Just for fun I tried this test someone on the list found. I tried
each of the main male characters and here are my results:
Avon -- 87%
Vila -- 77%
Blake -- 64%
Travis -- 44%
Tarrant -- 33%
For me at least this is fairly accurate, although I would have ranked
Tarrant a bit higher, I'm actually deep down (very deep down) fond of the
reckless young man:-). Also, I'm kind of worried that Travis outscored my
husband by 1%!!!!!
Here's the website:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kink/love/
Jay
100% Avon
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:40:50 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Power (was Avon's smile)
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>The only really glaring flaw in the episode is Avon's bit about "A man's
>strength will always be greater": not only is it rather a questionable
>statement, it's also totally out of character.
Actually, there is a bit of room for interpretation there. The
telekinetic strength in that story comes from utilizing BODY MASS. On
average, the men will have more body mass, therefore be stronger. I
would point out that Avon wasn't in the mood to explain in detail what
he was talking about. And although there are definitely individual women
larger than individual men, we don't see very large women or very small
men much in Blake's 7.
Definitely, Avon is normally more chivalrous than misogynistic. But some
of those gals were rather unpleasant, and he's not going to be jerked
around telekinically by anyone.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:36:37 EST
From: MLytle@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] On My Mind
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In a message dated 2/15/98 11:38:15 PM, you wrote:
>Aw shucks, surely we Rabble aren't all that scary? C'mon all you other
>shy lurkers out there. Join the rebellion. You may be dead in a week -
>but what a week!
YIKES!!! I'm staying hidden, thanks just the same.
Maggie
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:28:57 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: MLytle@aol.com
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] On My Mind
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You may be dead in a week -
>but what a week!
YIKES!!! I'm staying hidden, thanks just the same
Actually, it was joining Servalan that was going to leave her allies
dead in a week.
Even Soolin survived almost a full season.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:51:32 +1100 (EST)
From: Gordon Burgess & Carol Mason <gcb7@magna.com.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
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>At 06:50 AM 2/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Judith said:
>Do we ever see Avon laugh or give a large
>smile at any other time than when things
>are at their absolute worst?
What about when Avon and Cally are sitting at the teleprt controls watching
Vila adjust his thermal suit controls in order to teleport down to the planet.
After Vila nearly roasts himself alive and is finished phaffing on, Avon
finally is able to teleport him. Avon and Cally look at each other , Avon is
smiling then. I believe it was in 'Project Avalon'.
Catch You Later.
Carol.
Semper Fidelis
Carol "Hondo" Mason < gcb7@magna.com.au >
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:15:22 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
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In a message dated 98-02-16 18:26:31 EST, you write:
<< You mean like Cally did in "Hostage," or more like Tarrant did in
"Terminal"? Since Blake is up front about wanting to use the Liberator
to damage the Federation, it looks to me like he is perfectly honest
about his intentions. He also doesn't make you play 20 Questions before
telling you what you need to know to make a decision. Most of the time,
anyways. >>
Ya got me! Enjoyed your posts, Sam, and you make a good defense for Blake.
I'd still take my chances with Avon over Blake, though. Blake's willingness to
continue with his plans in Pressure Point really disturb me. Especially after
promising the crew to back off if the odds lookded against them. He ignored
all the evidence in his determination to carry out his plans. At least in the
examples you point out, Avon was a) not in command in Hostage, and took
actions to correct the situation,albiet without informing the others of the
whole situation. and in b) Terminal, he was starting to answer Tarrant when
circumstance intervened. I've always found it ironic that Avon managed to
master the worst of Blake's leadership techniques while failing to grasp the
better ones. Look forward to more of your postings! Deborah Rose
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:37:54 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic
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I don't think I've been on the list long enough to have seen this thread
played out, but do remember an occasional posting. While I've never agreed
with the "gentle giant" interpretation of Gan, neither have I seen him as a
psycotic killer who would have done in the crew without his limiter.
Gan shows that he does enjoy violence, or at least an energetic workout on
occasion. Deliverance, Redemption come immediatly mind. However, he doesn't
seem to frustrated that he can't kill his opponants; he simply enjoys tossing
them about. I would suspect that he grew up in an envirement where the
youngsters were constantly testing themselves against each other, and he was
conditioned to violence as method of maintaining a certain status. Given his
strength, it is possible that he had even killed on occasion, either
accidently or because an opponant would not give him a choice. The Federation
probably wouldn't care too much so long as no one "worthwhile" was killed.
Then when he did in the Trooper, the situation changed. I could see the
authorities deciding that besides shipping him off, it would be nessacary to
implant the Limiter to ensure he didn't do in any other officials.
Were Gan a psycotic, he could have manifested it without resort to
killing. He did very nicely browbeating the guard in Spacefall, when he
threatened to rip the guard's hand off. but we never see this sort of display
of temper from him on board Liberator. Gan's violence was always aimed toward
those who could and would defend themselves, or were aggresors themselves.
I also occasionally wonder if Gan's knowledge of the Terra Nostra was
more personal than he let on. perhaps fights staged between likely Gammas for
the amusement of onlookers? Where the Terra Nostra...encouraged a certain body
count to keep the crowds entertained? I can picture a young Gan becoming
involved in a gladiator-style fight, eager to make money, gain fame, and prove
his manliness in this archaic style. Until he realised that the loser couldn't
simply surrender and walk away...
Enough for tonight. The letters are starting to blur... Deborah Rose
"An oak-pin for moi? Yippee!! Now to write some dirty smutty stuff and get the
cluster to go with it....:)"
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:09:00 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety
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Carol A. McCoy wrote:
> There's a smile in "Countdown" when he's where the
> solium bomb is located. I think that's after they disarm it, but I'm
> not sure.
>
You are correct. Del Grant says, "You did it!"
And Avon, smugly pleased at his techy expertise smiles broadly and
proudly concurs, "Yes, I did."
Very INTJ of him, being so pleased at his perfect skill.
Pat P
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:15:02 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon Morals
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Kinkade.Carol wrote:
>
> I've envisioned that "wonderful laugh full face in the camera" to be Avon
> laughing at himself. Because he realized that, even though he COULD get away,
> he was going to do the "foolish" thing and rescue them. THAT'S MY MAN!!!
>
yes! yes! Avon can laugh at himself. And often does. When he fails, he
laughs at his own false pride and mental arrogance. I think this is why
we forgive Avon his follies but take Tarrant to task. I just can't see
Tarrant able to laugh at himself. However, this is frequently a
characteristic of age. The young are rarely able to see the silly sad
irony of life the way elders can. So I don't blame Tarrant for this
inability. I blame his youth. (oh, Tarrant is young, brave, handsome...)
Ancient (but lafing) Pat P
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:43:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 20 years later
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On Mon 16 Feb, Kinkade.Carol wrote:
> In fact, I'd love to see a radio play produced with just Avon and Blake stuck in
> some situation or other, exchanging dialogue.
<drool> Write to the BBC and suggest it. Those lovely voices...
Judith
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:05:31 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>We know that Blake and Avon are Alphas, I would say 90 percentile and
>above would fit into that category.
Actually, we *don't* know that Avon is an Alpha; there's been quite a bit
of fan speculation and debate on that point.
--
- Lisa
home: <lcw@dallas.net> work: <lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:45:28 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Power
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Iain, you are a clever little sausage aren't you. :-) You pinpointed all
the exact elements of this story I find so dissatisfying, and you highlight
all the elements that make it something more than just a total waste of time.
THere is some good dialogue, some nice scenes - the Gunsar/Nina scenes you
mentioned are a case in point. I was also annoyed by the fact that Gunsar
slapped Nina about a bit in public, presumably to 'keep up appearances',
whilst he seemed quite fond of her in private.
Pella need not exemplify 'women' in this story - she was a liar, intent on
personal power and had clearly intended all along to try to steal the
Scorpio, and this is a perfectly valid piece of characterisation. But
considering the structure of the rest of the episode and the way the other
characters are dealt with, it comes across as a very misogynistic script.
I liked Vila doing his bit with the doors though, and Avon's choice of the
glove (and the way he asked for it); and Tarrant scurrying Dayna away from
the fight when she can't even work out how she won it...
Narrelle
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parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax
"Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit;
by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:30:48 -0000
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se,
Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Power
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Narrelle wrote:
<snip>
>I liked Vila doing his bit with the doors though, and Avon's choice of the
>glove (and the way he asked for it); and Tarrant scurrying Dayna away from
>the fight when she can't even work out how she won it...
>
I have a little soft spot for this episode. Mainly because I always giggle
when Vila says:
"Have you ever seen a Nuclear Compression Charge go off? Everything gets
sucked in. Looks good....... from a distance."
I'm sorry but that has to be one of Vila's best lines, if not his best one.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:58:23 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Power
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At 09:30 17/02/98 -0000, Ian wrote:
>I have a little soft spot for this episode. Mainly because I always giggle
>when Vila says:
>
>"Have you ever seen a Nuclear Compression Charge go off? Everything gets
>sucked in. Looks good....... from a distance."
>
>I'm sorry but that has to be one of Vila's best lines, if not his best one.
And that lovely bit of muddle-headedness later with something like: "Have
you ever seen a mini black hole go off? It looks just like a nuclear
compression charge." Then says he always babbles when he's nervous.
ANd he's nervous such a *lot* of the time. :-)
Narrelle
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Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris
parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax
"Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit;
by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare
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