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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 51
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Dr. Love
[B7L] Trains from Manchester Airport to Stoke
Re: [B7L] Re: Power
[B7L] Redemption t-shirts
[B7L] A question and something I forgot.
Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown
[B7L] - online rail information
Re: [B7L] - online rail information
Re: [B7L] Assorted comments
Re: [B7L] Character morality
Re: [B7L] Safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic
Re: [B7L] Character morality
Re: [B7L] Avon Morals
Re: [B7L] Character morality
Re: [B7L] Safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic
Re: [B7L] Character morality
[B7L] Avon and Vila
Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic
[B7L] Dr. Who Scripts page
Re: [B7L] Deliverance
[B7L] Re: Power
[B7L] Re: On My Mind
[B7L] Re: On My Mind
Re: [B7L] Page 29/Double takes
Re: [B7L] Character morality
Re: [B7L] Character morality
[B7L] Re: Safety
[B7L] Re: Dr Love
Re: [B7L] Character morality
Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
[B7L] Vila and Plagues
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:38:31 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dr. Love
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I couldn't resist consulting the wisdom of Dr Love. For the female
characters, the good doctor reckons my chances are
Dayna 87%
Cally 74%
Jenna 69%
Soolin 39%
Servalan 23%
Hmmm, I'm a bit surprised at Dayna scoring so highly, but otherwise Dr
Love seems pretty much on the money - and the low ranking of Servalan
indicates a good dose of realism, I'm sorry to say.
I also tried the male characters. Only two of them came out ahead of all
the females: Travis, just beating Dayna with 88%, and, way out ahead with
a whopping 95% <drum rolls>..... Gan!
Oh dear.
Iain
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:10:26 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <H_F_Monkhouse@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Trains from Manchester Airport to Stoke
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I was a bit startled to see that the Deliverance Progress Report says it's
"a fair way" from Manchester Airport to Manchester Piccadilly and
recommends taking a taxi direct to Stoke instead.
OK, I'm a puritan who thinks taking a taxi is a mortal sin unless (a) no
public transport is available (b) I have at least three suitcases.
Still, even a taxi from the airport to Piccadilly (and actually, if I were
taking a taxi, I might go to Stockport, one stop down the line, instead) is
a fraction of the distance from Heathrow to Euston, which is recommended
(never mind Gatwick. My blood runs a little cold at the thought of taking
a taxi from Gatwick to Euston).
But the point is that it's NOT NECESSARY to take a taxi (except, perhaps,
from Stoke station to the Moat House). Those nice chaps at British Rail
(pre-privatisation) built us a rail link from Manchester Airport to
Manchester Piccadilly, not to mention to a lot of other stations. I
confess Stoke is not one of those direct line destinations. But the train
ride is only 20 minutes from the airport to Piccadilly (usually six trains
an hour) and then 40 minutes from Piccadilly to Stoke (probably a couple of
trains an hour). Depending on the terminal, the airport station is five
minutes' walk from the Arrivals barrier or five minutes' airport bus ride.
It really couldn't be easier - my sister usually arrives at my house
(midway between airport and Piccadilly) about half an hour after the plane
touches down. AND IT'S ONLY 14.50 FOR A RETURN TICKET TO STOKE (I just
rang to check). If you can find a taxi from the airport to Stoke for 20
quid, as quoted by Horizon, good luck to you, but that's 40 for the return
trip. Even adding on a few pounds for a taxi from Stoke station to the
Moat Hotel, public transport is a lot cheaper, if slightly slower.
Harriet
PS Seats on Intercity trains are not as plentiful as I've known them, but
I can usually find something to sit on, even at peak hours. In other
words, don't panic if you can't book in advance as suggested. And not all
companies offer discounts if you book early - I'm currently stamping my
foot with annoyance because Regional Railways North East won't reduce the
fare of 44.70 Manchester to Newcastle on a Friday even though I'm a month
in advance of Neutral Zone.
PPS There are supposed to be railway timetables on the net at
http://www.railtrack.co.uk. I think I did try them once, but found them a
little uninventive in offering alternatives and non-direct routes. Maybe
that's what threw the Deliverance committee? Still, you could try them.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:59:52 -0000
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Power
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Narrelle wrote:
>>"Have you ever seen a Nuclear Compression Charge go off? Everything gets
>>sucked in. Looks good....... from a distance."
>>
>>I'm sorry but that has to be one of Vila's best lines, if not his best
one.
>
>And that lovely bit of muddle-headedness later with something like: "Have
>you ever seen a mini black hole go off? It looks just like a nuclear
>compression charge." Then says he always babbles when he's nervous.
Indeed. It makes you think why he doesn't babble more often..... or maybe
he does! :-)
And trust me to get the quote wrong in the first place. Call yourself a fan
Ian??!!! :-)
BTW since I have been on this list for a few weeks now and sent the odd
message I suppose I better introduce myself.
My name is Ian Lay and I live in Hounslow in West London. I have been a
Blake's 7 fan from the first series. Though as I was only 8 when the
programme first aired, I don't remember the first episdoe I saw.
Since then I have been a great fan of the series. I have all the videos and
a number of the books.
It is difficult to pick favourite episodes (I like virtually every episode),
but the following have special moments which make them special for me (in no
particular order):
Gold ( I like it because of its humour)
The Way Back (For obvious reasons)
Mission to Destiny (A simple episode, but I can't help but go back to it)
Pressure Point (A pivitol episode)
Killer (An excellant Avon/Vila episode)
Gambit (Another good Avon/Vila episode... also with that lovely Avon
choking/spitting scene)
Orbit (Simple but effective..... again (yawn) another good Vila/Avon
episode
Star One & Aftermath & Powerplay (Lots of nice Zen stuff, plus bits of the
Liberator we don't see that often)
And there are others... but those are the ones that stand out for me as I'm
thinking now......as for a real favourite..... okey you've twisted my
arm..... and It may be a little unexpected but..... I think I like Gold the
best. Mainly because I laught so much when that terrible music comes on!!!
Take care,
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:31:58 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption t-shirts
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I'm just about to print up a batch of t-shirts for Redemption for those helping
on the stand at Delivernace.
The design (drawn by Kathryn Andersen) is Liberator fighting a B5 shadow. It's
white on a black background and looks rather striking. (You can see it on the
convention web page)
We're doing these primarily for helpers, but if anyone else wants one, they can
have one for seven pounds as long as they let me know their t-shirt size by
Thursday morning UK time. I'll bring it along to the convention.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:05:32 -0000
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] A question and something I forgot.
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Forgot to add on my last message that my favourite characters are Avon and
Vila. And I actually did like the book Afterlife. Though I know many did
not. As I recall there was going to be another book after Afterlife. Did
that ever get off the ground?
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:35:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sevenfold Crown
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I know Gareth wants to be in the next radio play if they do another one, because
I was talking to him about it the last time I saw him at a convention. To be
honest, I think he was a little upset that they hadn't asked him to be in the
first one.
He's done two audio plays playing Blake for Horizon now, so he's certainly
willing to return to the part.
It's a long time since the days when Gareth wanted to be free of Blake. He's no
worries about typecasting these days. You only have to look at his section of
my web page to see what I mean. I'm just adding pictures from London's Burning
and Heartbeat for the next upload.
As Brian Lighthill commented in his internet chat, his natural preference is for
the 4th season as that's what he directed in the original series.
If you want Blake back, you're going to have to write and ask. Don't expect
everyone else to do it.
If you're either a Blake fan, or if you share my affection for a certain
Welshman, please write to Brian c/o Diane and say that you'd like to hear Blake
once more.
Please... Pretty please with a cherry on top...
Judith
PS. And while you're at it, why not look up who wrote your favourite episodes
of the original series (excluding the late Terry Nation and Robert Holmes) and
suggest them as a possible scriptwriter (unless, of course, you think that Barry
Letts is brilliant). The odds are high that your favourites will include a
Chris Boucher episode.
On Mon 16 Feb, Patricia Roberts wrote:
>
> Diane of Horizon has asked me to pass on the following.
>
> Diane was talking to Brian Lighthill the other day and he has asked
> her to pass on all the comments from the fans about the radio play
> (preferably constructive ones on what they liked and didn't like, and
> what they'd like to see next time, not just "that was crap!" or such,
> obviously!!!
>
> So if people would like to send their letters to her at the club
> address, or e-mail her at diane@horizon.org.uk with the subject
> heading "Sevenfold Crown - to the BBC", she'll know you want your
> comments passed on.
>
> Let's hope that we will get more radio plays in the future.
>
> Pat
>
> patricia.roberts@lmco.com
>
>
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 12:11:00 PST
From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>
To: blakes7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] - online rail information
Message-ID: <34E9F02C@courier.lmu.ac.uk>
In England!
http://www.railtrack.co.uk/travel/index.html
SteveT
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:32:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] - online rail information
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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Taylor, Steve [MIS] wrote:
>
> In England!
And, indeed, the whole of Britain.
> http://www.railtrack.co.uk/travel/index.html
I use this often: it's very good.
Iain
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:18:33 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Assorted comments
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On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 Susan.Moore@uni.edu wrote:
> Susan "my goal in life is to get asteriks by my name on Sue Clerc's web page"
> M.
The few, the proud, the ***'d. I've heard from a reliable source
that bribes of chocolate often prove effective...but, Susan, you're a
repeat offender and needn't worry--you have proven *** potential.
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am."
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:37:53 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality
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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 AChevron@aol.com wrote:
> well, the leather DOES lend a certain appeal:) But I'll stand by my
> consideration that Avon was the smarter man in this situation. Or at least
> Blake could have come to a compromise. Servalan, is, after all, a worthwhile
> military target. Avon's idea was to let her land and get destroyed by the
> virus. Within a couple of hours any ships that landed would have been
> crewless.
I think Blake's argument was that there was a good chance that
a ship carrying the virus could get off the planet and carry the plague
out to the rest of the galaxy. The crew members themselves don't even
have to know they have the virus when they leave (Gambril and Bellfriar
took a long time to get it and Tynus, Avon, and Vila were unaffected),
it's airborne--some air getting into a ship that lands and killing the
crew after they've left Fosforon would be enough. Another ship picks
the corpses up and that crew is exposed, and so on. If the ships have
mutoids or an automatic docking procedure, they could infect a space
station or another planet...
> Liberator could have hung out nearby and picked off a stray ship,
> THEN posted the quarantine warning. I doubt that Avon would have objected. But
> Blake doesn't even consider any alternatives. After all, this IS a military
> base, apparantly with minimal traffic. The odds the the disease ever getting
> off-world were small to start with, and a couple of quick steps would have
> minimized that risk.
Ummmm...They know that Avon's buddy has sent a message to Servalan
that they're there. They have no way of knowing how many ships she's going
to send to come after them or when they'll arrive.
> I think part of my annoyance with Blake here is that I keep thinking
> Servalan managed to get a sample of the bug and ended up using it on Auron,
> making Blake an unwitting accomplice to genocide. Just like her to twist
> Blake's "good deed".
At last the truth can be told: Blake, although not present at the
time, or even indirectly linked by the most circumstantial of evidence, is
also responsible for ebola, AIDS, smallpox, and that virus spread by
unsanitized telephones in Hitch-hiker's Guide. Probably plantar's warts
and every mutation of the flu, as well, the bastard.
The plague on Fosforon brings people out in nasty boils, makes
them spastic, and destroys the memory. The plague on Auron makes people
hot and sweaty and drool lemon pudding after they die. One of the
Federation's only growth industries and technological marvels seems to
be its ability to whip up new deadly brews ("Time Squad," "Project
Avalon," to name two). There's also the Phobon plague Vila mentions
in "Shadow." There's no reason for her to mess with a nasty,
uncontrollable, uncurable alien virus when her scientists can cook up
something that's safe for her to handle and kill others with.
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am."
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:05:33 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety
Message-ID: <199802171405.JAA11401@yfn.ysu.edu>
Sam Blume wrote:
>This is my first post after lurking for a couple of months.
Welcome to the fray. :)
>Who's crew would I rather be part of? Blake. Definitely Blake. Why?
>Because I'd like to live to see my next birthday and the numbers show
>that I'm more likely to be puffing at candles next June if Blake's
>the leader: one man lost v. seven or nine if you count the computers.
>Orac managed to survive Avon but not much else did.
Just to keep things fair, Blake's body count was a tad higher than that.
We have Jenna, Klyn, the technician Soolin shot, Deva, and any
other of Blake's people who were killed when the Federation
popped by for a spot of mayhem.
Carol McCoy
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:10:46 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic
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Deborah wrote:
>"An oak-pin for moi? Yippee!! Now to write some dirty smutty stuff and get the
>cluster to go with it....:)"
Oh sure, you make happy noises about getting an oak leaf. Where was that
"Yippee" when a Tarrant Nostra button was mentioned? <sniff>
Carol McCoy
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:03:04 -0000
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>,
"Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Sue wrote:
<snip?
>There's also the Phobon plague Vila mentions
>in "Shadow." There's no reason for her to mess with a nasty,
>uncontrollable, uncurable alien virus when her scientists can cook up
>something that's safe for her to handle and kill others with.
Sorry to be pedantic (and probably incorrect !!), but wasn't it Zen who
mentioned the Phobon plague whilst he was analyzing the Shadow. The quote
was somthing along the lines of ".....and incorrectly referred to as the
Phobon Plague". I don't remember Vila mentioning it... but I may be wrong.
Ian "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" Lay
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:56:42 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon Morals
Message-ID: <199802171456.JAA14173@yfn.ysu.edu>
Pat P wrote:
>yes! yes! Avon can laugh at himself. And often does. When he fails, he
>laughs at his own false pride and mental arrogance. I think this is why
>we forgive Avon his follies but take Tarrant to task. I just can't see
>Tarrant able to laugh at himself. However, this is frequently a
>characteristic of age. The young are rarely able to see the silly sad
>irony of life the way elders can. So I don't blame Tarrant for this
>inability. I blame his youth. (oh, Tarrant is young, brave, handsome...)
I don't think it's a characteristic of age as much as it is a
characteristic of self confidence. I know many young people who
can laugh at their mistakes. But, granted, some people don't
attain that degree of self confidence until they are more mature.
Back to Tarrant (who had enough self confidence for two people)... he
had a wonderful, self-depreciating sense of humor. He and Avon were
very much alike on that score: when things were bleak, they were
inclined to humor. But a lot of fans miss Tarrant's humor because
they are watching Avon and also because Tarrant's humor was low-
keyed and very dry (and delivered with deadpan perfection by Pacey).
Here are some of my favorite Tarrant humor moments. I'll start with
humor when the situation looks pretty grim. VOLCANO--Bershar has
just turned Dayna, Tarrant and their teleport bracelets over to the
Federation troopers led by Mori. Mori looks at all the teleport
bracelets and says:
MORI: Four?
BERSHAR: They were recruiting.
TARRANT: You weren't quite what we had in mind.
Two examples of self depreciating humor, showing that Tarrant is
not a guy who takes himself too seriously. From HARVEST OF KAIROS:
VILA: Are you sure you can dock this thing?
TARRANT: I hadn't really considered it.
VILA: What?
TARRANT: I thought we'd be dead by now.
And from RESCUE:
Tarrant: All pilot systems are green. Count is two minutes
and running. Better strap down tight. I haven't
lifted these into orbit too often.
Dayna: How often?
Tarrant: Once.
Vila: When was that?
Tarrant: In about one minute and forty five seconds.
Then the very poignant humor of DEATH-WATCH:
TARRANT: He should have killed him when he had the chance.
[Smiles a sickly smile] Deeta never was very practical.
Carol McCoy
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:53:13 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-02-17 08:40:31 EST, you write:
<< At last the truth can be told: Blake, although not present at the
time, or even indirectly linked by the most circumstantial of evidence, is
also responsible for ebola, AIDS, smallpox, and that virus spread by
unsanitized telephones in Hitch-hiker's Guide. Probably plantar's warts
and every mutation of the flu, as well, the bastard. >>
You forgot syphyllis! honestly, I do rather like the big lunk, it's just
that sometimes he is aggrevatingly pious. And to spread a disease across large
volumes of space is an extremely difficult proposition. Assuming the events of
Killer took place over a period of 12 hours, as you pointed out it still
hadn't achieved a 100% infection rate. In a spacecraft I imagine the time
would be shorter, if the bug isn't eliminated by the "scrub" units for the
air. Figuring that it's a minimum of 10 hours to the nearest planet, there is
enough time for the crew to be killed before another planet is infected. Plus
Liberator can send a warning message after a few hours to warn any would-be
resquers of the dangers, leaving Servalan hopefully dead. Not a sure bet, but
a lot less likely to kill large numbers of civilians than blowing up Control
was. I am merely pointing out Blake's contridictory attitudes here.
As for if the Auron virus is the same as Killer, it is just a supposition on
my part. The speed with which it infects and kills, the sores that appear on
the Auron victims, the fact both of are of " alien pathogen" are some
supporting evidence. The Federation could have altered the pathogen to give
slightly different symptoms. Or as you pointed out the Fed could have as
easily devised this nasty little bit on their own. Just speculation; I'll
defend my thesis but I'm not bound to it by dogma. Thanks for the challenging
and well-organized response though, Sue. Deborah Rose
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:13:26 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu
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> ust to keep things fair, Blake's body count was a tad higher than that.
> We have Jenna, Klyn, the technician Soolin shot, Deva, and any
> other of Blake's people who were killed when the Federation
> popped by for a spot of mayhem.
>
Like all of Blake's followers who got nailed by Travis the first time
around when he lay in wait.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:59:07 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic
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In a message dated 98-02-17 09:08:40 EST, you write:
<< Oh sure, you make happy noises about getting an oak leaf. Where was that
"Yippee" when a Tarrant Nostra button was mentioned? <sniff>
Carol McCoy >>
Well(hanging head in shame that I've upset you), it just that it would seem
inappropriate, somehow, to accept a TN button when I have impugned Tarrant's
character from time to time(not that I'm retracting most of those comments).
Besides, I smell a trap if I accept a button... D. Rose
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:13:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality
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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 AChevron@aol.com wrote:
> Liberator can send a warning message after a few hours to warn any would-be
> resquers of the dangers, leaving Servalan hopefully dead. Not a sure bet, but
> a lot less likely to kill large numbers of civilians than blowing up Control
> was. I am merely pointing out Blake's contridictory attitudes here.
You're missing something very important. Blake isn't interested in killing
Servalan (or Travis). That wouldn't achieve anything: someone else would
judt fill their shoes, and that replacement would be just as nasty. It's
the whole structure of the Federation that Blake's fighting, and all his
actions are working to bring that structure down. Servalan isn't the
problem: Servalan's office is.
You can argue about whether the attack on Star One was justified (I'm sure
one or two people have discussed it occasionally), but there's no
contradiction here. Destroying Star One will bring down the Federation,
and Blake is (rightly or wrongly) willing to be responsible for collatoral
damage to achieve that goal. Risking the spread of a horrific disease
throughout the Galaxy in order to kill one individual who will be replaced
by a similar figure just isn't in the same league.
Iain
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Date: 17 Feb 1998 08:41:47 -0800
From: "Kinkade.Carol" <kinkade.carol@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon and Vila
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>Lisa wrote:
>Actually, we *don't* know that Avon is an Alpha; there's been quite a bit
>of fan speculation and debate on that point.
I seem to vaguely recall a scene where Vila is talking to (Gan, I think) as Avon
and Blake are walking away and Vila says, "They're Alphas, what do you expect?"
That indicated to me that Avon is an Alpha.
Although, I do like the speculation someone had that Avon was actually born a
Beta and after testing was promoted to Alpha, hence his defensive and paranoid
attitude.
Carol
(AVON RULES!!!!)
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:07:36 -0000
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: "Kinkade.Carol" <kinkade.carol@ssdgwy.mdc.com>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
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Carol wrote:
>I seem to vaguely recall a scene where Vila is talking to (Gan, I think) as
Avon
>and Blake are walking away and Vila says, "They're Alphas, what do you
expect?"
I don't remember that scene. Does anyone know which episode it comes from?
Ian "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" Lay
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:20:43 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Gan the psycotic
Message-ID: <199802171720.MAA20670@yfn.ysu.edu>
Deborah wrote:
> Well(hanging head in shame that I've upset you),
It's true, I've been pouting all morning. ;-)
>Besides, I smell a trap if I accept a button...
A trap? Moi? Well, maybe a small one. But it wouldn't have
taken you very long to write three Tarrant stories and construct
a third season diorama out of toothpicks. Really... <g>
Carol McCoy
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:56:54 -0600
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Dr. Who Scripts page
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Can't find the original post, but someone asked what the address of the Dr.
Who scripts page was.
http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Union/BTS/Scripts/intro.html
This contains the complete scripts of many of the misssing episodes,
including The Web of Fear.
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
http://www.reuben.net/drwho/
http://www.reuben.net/blake/
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:04:36 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance
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In message <e04b1c04.34e8d83c@aol.com>, AChevron@aol.com writes
>In a message dated 98-02-16 17:27:10 EST, you write:
>
><< for lil ole me can't you? You don't want a 53 year old, overweight,
> >white-haired Welshman...
> >
> <evil grin>
>
> Wanna bet?
> --
> Julia Jones
> >>
>
> Judith, you've done too good a job at defending/extolling/praising the
>lad!...
>
Actually I met Gareth at the first con I ever went to (he was the reason
I went to it), several months before I met Judith, and several more
months before getting a net connection.
He's loverly.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:21:51 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <H_F_Monkhouse@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Power
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Narrelle said:
>Pella need not exemplify 'women' in this story -
>she was a liar, intent on personal power and
>had clearly intended all along to try to steal the
>Scorpio, and this is a perfectly valid piece of
>characterisation.
Oh, time for me to do my defence of Pella again. The last few minutes of
Power really wreck the characterisation of Pella. I don't believe a word
Avon (or Steed) says, and I find it awfully difficult to believe in her
shooting Kate...
Until her confrontation in the Hommik base, I believe Pella's object is to
preserve the Seska - all three of them. And by the time there are only
three of them, using Scorpio to get off the planet is the best alternative
to defeat and subjugation. She doesn't turn nasty with Vila until he grabs
her arm (unaware of the overtones that would carry for a Seska). She kills
the odd Hommik - of course, they're her mortal enemies - during her raid on
the base to rescue Luxia (for whom she expresses genuine concern) and Avon
(the Seskas' last hope of getting at Scorpio).
And then she meets Nina, and finds her heroine is not merely the wife of a
Hommik but actually performing operations to deprive Seska of their powers.
This is Pella's Gauda Prime. Up to that point, she is clearly redeemable.
If I had any doubts, the manner in which she tells Nina that Avon's crew
are good people who can help the Seska would convince me. But Nina soundly
rejects her, and has already demonstrated her betrayal of everything she
once stood for by operating on Luxia. Reverting to Gauda Prime, she was
extremely lucky that Pella didn't kill her there and then. As it is,
despair tips Pella over the edge: if Nina can't be trusted, no one can,
certainly not this Hommik in Dorian's clothing who immediately imposes his
will on her by physical force. From that moment, self-preservation is all
she has left.
If Avon had been the sort of person to say "actually, the reason why we
need that crystal is that it's essential to my plan to get all of us away
from Xenon, and you can carry it back to base yourself if you insist", we
might still have had one new crew member.
And I really love Hammond Hill.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:52:50 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: On My Mind
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That message was from Pat on the B7 list. Didn't you see the original
message? I couldn't miss it!
I posted the rest on Saturday, so if you haven't gone back since then you
probably didn't see it. As far as I know it shows up now, so go check it
out...
I hope you feel better soon!
Grace Robbins
robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu
http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:54:54 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: On My Mind
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Oops! I meant to send that last message just to Jennifer Becker! My
mistake! Sorry, Jennifer....sorry, list inhabitants...
Grace
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:08:03 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Page 29/Double takes
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Received from Judith and forwarded with her permission:
>On Mon 16 Feb, Nicola Collie wrote:
>> Julia:
>> >Now do you understand why several *con* reports from last year's Neutral
>> >Zone (first public sighting - and signing - of The Inside Story)
>> >mentioned this page in particular?
>> Absolutely, although I have no recollection of seeing any of these con
>>reports.
>
>Read my web page. I keep a supply of con reports there, partly because
>they're
>fun to read in their own right and partly because they are hopefully
>helpful to
>people trying to decide whether to go to a convention in the future.
>
>
>> >One of my fondest memories of that con is Judith Proctor very close to
>> >literally ROFL, waving an open copy and giggling hysterically. Rapidly
>> >followed by several other purchasers on seeing what she was laughing at.
>
>I remember that moment well. For anyone who hasn't seen the picture in
>question, it's a snapshot taken during the series, of Gareth, dressed as
>Blake,
>waggling his fingers from his ears and rolling his eyeballs. It's a scream.
>
>Judith
>--
>http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
>
>Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
>26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
>http://www.smof.com/redemption/
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:30:05 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality
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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Ian Lay wrote:
> Sorry to be pedantic (and probably incorrect !!), but wasn't it Zen who
> mentioned the Phobon plague whilst he was analyzing the Shadow. The quote
> was somthing along the lines of ".....and incorrectly referred to as the
> Phobon Plague". I don't remember Vila mentioning it... but I may be wrong.
Was it? Damn. Then when was Vila talking about plagues...it wasn't
the line in "Killer" about not liking them because the next minute you're
dead that I was thinking of but something else.
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am."
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:40:09 -0500 (EST)
From: NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality
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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 AChevron@aol.com wrote:
> You forgot syphyllis!
8-) As soon as I was away from my keyboard I did a classic Homer
Simpson "D'oh!" and realized I should've added "Oh my God, he killed
Kenny! The bastard!" 8-)
honestly, I do rather like the big lunk, it's just
> that sometimes he is aggrevatingly pious. And to spread a disease across large
> volumes of space is an extremely difficult proposition. Assuming the events of
> Killer took place over a period of 12 hours, as you pointed out it still
> hadn't achieved a 100% infection rate. In a spacecraft I imagine the time
> would be shorter, if the bug isn't eliminated by the "scrub" units for the
> air. Figuring that it's a minimum of 10 hours to the nearest planet, there is
> enough time for the crew to be killed before another planet is infected.
I don't think it's established that the host has to be alive to
transmit the virus...the reason the rescue team from Fosforon didn't catch
it from the mummy was that they were wearing space suits. It came alive
to get other people into the room with the doctor and spread the disease
(instead of the likely response of sealing off the room if the doctor got
the virus and died without a mummy trying to strangle him). Btw, that
body has got to be one of THE most unappetizing effects...just try eating
pizza during that episode.
> Plus
> Liberator can send a warning message after a few hours to warn any would-be
> resquers of the dangers, leaving Servalan hopefully dead. Not a sure bet, but
> a lot less likely to kill large numbers of civilians than blowing up Control
> was. I am merely pointing out Blake's contridictory attitudes here.
But I don't think it's contradictory to want to destroy Star One
to free millions and not want to unleash an uncontrollable virus to kill
one person who will be replaced next week. The aims and the means are
totally different--the only common factor is that we don't know how many
people would be eventually touched. At least with Star One, you can guess
that there are safety measures that cut in on individual planets and the
results can be contained.
> Thanks for the challenging
> and well-organized response though, Sue.
Hey, no problem, I'm just sitting here watching the yard flood and
listening to the sump pump. 8-)
Sue
sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html
B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am."
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:13:43 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Safety
Message-ID: <01BD3BEC.AE770C00@host5-99-51-249.btinternet.com>
>>Louise said >. But if I were a close friend I'd probably
>> trust Avon more, if I were a more casual acquaintance I'd put my faith
in
> >Blake 8-)
>You mean like Vila and Gan in Orbit and Breakdown?
>Jennifer
Yes, exactly like that. Avon was all for taking the short cut to save Gan
and came up with the means to do it. It was only when he figured out that
_all_ the crew were extremely likely to die that he backtracked.
As for Orbit, Avon saw that as an "either/or" situation and as soon as he
found an alternative he leapt at it. I've said this before (though maybe
not on this list) - you cannot ask anyone to die for you. It may be nice if
there is someone in your life who would be prepared to, but you absolutely
cannot _expect_ it of them. That's just asking too damn much.
Louise
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:49:00 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Dr Love
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I did the test with my name and here are the results:
Blake: 99%
Gan: 86%
Travis: 79%
Tarrant: 68%
Avon: 45%
Vila: 24%
I was absolutely disapointed about the low score with Avon, very suprised
with Blake's. I was completely flabbergasted with Travis' score!
Tarrant's is pretty much on track.
I also did some other calculations:
Roj Blake and Jenna Stannis: 69%
Kerr Avon and Jenna Stannis: 93%
Kerr Avon and Cally: 97%
Wow! What does that say about the Avon/Cally relationship?
Grace Robbins
robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu
http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:45:23 -0000
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Character morality
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Sue wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Ian Lay wrote:
>
>> Sorry to be pedantic (and probably incorrect !!), but wasn't it Zen who
>> mentioned the Phobon plague whilst he was analyzing the Shadow. The
quote
>> was somthing along the lines of ".....and incorrectly referred to as the
>> Phobon Plague". I don't remember Vila mentioning it... but I may be
wrong.
>
> Was it? Damn. Then when was Vila talking about plagues...it wasn't
>the line in "Killer" about not liking them because the next minute you're
>dead that I was thinking of but something else.
>
Honestly don't know off the top of my head. I'll put me thinking cap on....
and video recorder on play... and see if I can work it out.
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Ian "If I could spell I would be dangerust" Lay
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:22:34 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Vila
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Ian Lay asked:
> Carol wrote:
>
>> I seem to vaguely recall a scene where Vila is talking to (Gan, I think)
>> as Avon and Blake are walking away and Vila says, "They're Alphas, what
>> do you expect?"
>
> I don't remember that scene. Does anyone know which episode it comes
> from?
Ah, my magic grepper (looking for the word "Alpha") tells me that Carol was
half-right. The actual lines (from Shadow) are:
VILA: You don't know them.
CALLY: Well, I know Blake.
VILA: Thinks of himself as a hard man. Hard? He's strictly a
fluffy-cheeked amateur compared to those boys.
CALLY: I think Blake can look after himself.
VILA: He's led a very sheltered life.
CALLY: What, Blake has led a sheltered life?
VILA: Look, he was an Alpha grade on Earth. A highly
privileged group, the Alphas. Wouldn't last five
minutes among the Delta service grades where I grew up.
And it's the service grades where the Terra Nostra
really operate. Without anesthetic, usually.
Now, Vila doesn't actually say whether Avon's an alpha, and he's referring
to Blake's madcap scheme of enlisting the Terra Nostra's help, but you
could stretch it to include Avon, if you tried.
I think Avon is certainly an Alpha in the crews' eyes, whatever his ID card
might have said.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:15:35 -0000
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
NWOutsider <sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: [B7L] Vila and Plagues
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Sue wrote:
> Was it? Damn. Then when was Vila talking about plagues...it wasn't
>the line in "Killer" about not liking them because the next minute you're
>dead that I was thinking of but something else.
Remembered it now....It was in the Children of Auron....
Avon contacts Liberator. Vila is on watch but takes time to reply as he has
space helmet on. Avon asks where he was.
Vila: "Precautions"
Avon: "Against what?"
Vila: "Plague!"
Was that what you were thinking of Sue?
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Ian "If I could spell I would be dangerust" Lay
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