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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 71
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
[B7L] NZ
[B7L] smoking
[B7L] Re: worst first lines
[B7L] Re: Multiple Personality etc
Re: [B7L] Orbit
Re: [B7L] Orbit
Re: [B7L] NZ
Re: [B7L] NZ
Re: [B7L] Re: Multiple Personality etc
Re: [B7L] Orbit
Re: [B7L] Fan Q possibilities
Re: [B7L] ssmmmoooking (cough, hack)
[B7L] Dayna and "Bonding Ritual"
[B7L] Refractions #5 at Deliverance!
[B7L] Oh, my stars and little fishes!
[B7L] New Zealanders
Re: [B7L] NZ
[B7L] Flashheart
[B7L] Vila's accepting nature
Re: [B7L] Vila's accepting nature
Re: [B7L] NZ
[B7L] re: Refractions#5 at Deliverence
[B7L] re: Flashheart
[B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
Re: [B7L] Re: worst first lines
[B7L] Re: worst first lines
Re: [B7L] Orbit
Re: [B7L] Oh, my stars and little fishes!
Re: [B7L] Moon Base Three (was Space Island One)
Re: [B7L] Avon and Blake
Re: [B7L] If you give me your attention,
Re: [B7L] stories named after missing persons
Re: [B7L] Orbit
Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo)
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:49:11 +1030
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Mary W O'Connor" <zvs225@freenet.mb.ca>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
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Mary W. O'Connor:
>I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a long
>holiday.
B-Complex and Evening Primrose Oil,
with a nice dose of valerian before
chatting with Tarrant. Say, I wonder if
Avon suffers from PMT? Do I love him
enough to share my magic forumalation
with him? Personally, I think expecting
your period is enough to make anyone
tetchy/tearful/homocidal/suicidal.
- XXX Lindley.
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:32:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] NZ
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Can we include people who *wish* they were from New Zealand?
Una
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:18:36 +1100
From: Fran Myers <algemy@ozemail.com.au>
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Darren sez: > Travis - Marlboros, what else.
Naaaahhhhh - Camels or those disgusting French fags (Gitanes?)
Avon wouldn't smoke (self destruction) but would enjoy showing his
disgust of those weak enough to do so.
Tarrant would smoke Marlboros, to make himself feel tough, but would
clean his sparkly whites after every fag.
Fran M
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:36:36 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: worst first lines
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Amazingly enough, during spring cleaning I relocated a previous posting of
the worst first lines contest. It follows in a moment...
But I can't understand why Judith thinks this qualifies:
>Servalan rolled over in her bed. The power of a
>real man was something incredible, something
>to which she could never fail to respond. "You're the
>best of them all," she whispered huskily, "Jarriere."
Hey, this sounds jolly promising to a dyed-in-the-wool Jarriere fan. The
only implausibility is that I don't believe Servalan had the good taste to
notice his charms.
By the way, I discovered today that there is a Paris-based bike-racing team
called Gan.
Harriet
Jarriere's Always Discriminating Enthusiast
The Top Worst Five, as posted by Robin in August 1996:
#5 "Three million years in the future, the only suriving human rebel is
Kerr Avon, his only companions, a creature that evolved from his pet thief,
and a hologram of his dead shipmate, Gan. Additional; it has been two
months since we discovered the still working ancient cloning facilities in
deep space and Avon is running out of Blakes to shoot." --John McKenzie
#4 Entirely too late, Avon realised that the illuminated prong of the
Liberator handguns should never be inserted rectally. --Gareth Randall
#3 Ignoring the pain that threatened to overwhelm his senses, that
howled agony through every fibre of his being, making him wish he'd never
been born, Avon crawled with agonising slowness through the alligator
infested swamp, eyes peeled for a sighting of yet another of the ravenous
man-eating beasts that had already ripped the flesh from his leg, knowing
that if he was caught once more before he made his way to safety, there
would be nothing left of him but bones bleaching whitely in the sun,
knowing too that he would have failed in his ultimate objective, that he
would have have lost (albeit unintentionally - but when had that ever made
any difference) the one being who meant more to him than any other in the
known universes, the one entity to whom he had unwillingly given, but given
none the less, his undying love and affection, the one person to whom he
had finally committed himself after so long trying to resist the fatal
attraction, the one thing that he knew would never betray him or let him
down - somewhere in this swamp, Avon had lost his teddy bear... --Judith
Proctor
#2 He had finally identified the strange noise: Blake stood in the door
to the flight deck and stared in horror at Avon, Jenna, Cally, and Vila as
they rocked back and forth and sang along quietly with the figure on the
main screen, "I love you...You love me..." --Robin
#1 Kerr Avon wiped away the tears of happiness streaming down his
cheeks, as he watched the unicorns gambolling joyously with the deer and
rabbits, while ecstatic fairies darted and weaved between them. It was good
to be home, and it was even better to be able to be here with his friends
by his side, he thought mistily ... --Karen McAllister
Special Judge's Award for Most Disgustingly Depraved:
The crew gaped guppy-like at Avon's still-smouldering corpse as it
rotted gently on the floor of the teleport area; they could never have
imagined in their wildest dreams that a.) Avon would have tried to have sex
with Orac, and b.) that Ensor was warped enough to install that
horrendously-powerful anti-copulation device cunningly disguised as a
tele-ergotronic telemetric bandsweep overlap-interlock
double-reverse-threaded beam synthesiser. --Gareth Randall
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:36:33 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Multiple Personality etc
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Alison misinformed me:
>> PS Tried to do the Myers/Briggs test again.
>>Computer crashed again. Think I'll just have
>>to live in blissful ignorance, or wait for Alison to
>> tell me what I am.
>
>ENTJ like Servalan. This may or may not be what you wanted to hear.
Wait a minute, I'm sure you said P last time. And I saw enough of
Keirsey's Reserved/Expressive stuff to know I'm I. So since you are
clearly lying for purposes not yet clear to me, I must be... er... whatever
the opposite to NT was.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:32:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Alex Dering wrote:
> As to the whole "pushing a piece of a neutron star across the floor" debate:
>
> Any super-dense material such as that which would be found on the surface
> of a collapsed star, once removed from that gravity field, would expand.
> The old standard goes something like two tablespoons of dwarf star matter
> weighs as much as the Rocky Mountains.
That's material from a white dwarf star you're thinking of. White dwarfs
are about the size of the Earth and about the mass of the sun. Neutron
stars are much, much denser: as massive as the sun, but about 30 km
across. If they were much smaller, they'd be black holes.
My favourite comparison is this: one sugarcube of neutron star material
weighs more than the entire human race. Kind of gives you a sense of
perspective. ("Too much bloody perspective" - Spinal Tap)
> So, a microscopic speck would still
> be at least a boulder. No way "high-tensile plastic" is going to keep that
> from expanding in an earth-like gravity field.
I figured the casing was some kind of super-advanced quantum gravity
contaonment system that just happened to look like a very cheap
paperweight.
> Perhaps Egrorian simply took an ordinary block of plastic (say about a
> kilometer on a side) synthesized from the Malodarian biosphere, and
> applying controlled molecular reduction (which we saw demonstrated by ORAC
> when Avon and Vila when down to The Big Wheel to break the bank) took an
> ordinary object weighing perhaps 250 pounds, and reduced it to the size of
> a small toaster. If ORAC could reduce his size, without impairing his
> function, to one-eighth his usual size, for slightly over two hours, who
> knows how long something that just has to sit there, like a block of
> plastic, even reduced say to one-thousandth its pre-shrink size, could
> survive like that. After the ship crashed, it wouldn't really matter.
>
> As to why Egrorian would do this, well, neutron star material isn't just
> lying around (except on neutron stars) so he obviously doesn't want to
> squander whatever supply he has.
I presumed by "neutron star material" he really meant neutronium, the
stuff NSs are made out of, not that he'd been on a trip to the Crab Nebula
with his bucket and spade.
Of course he wants to appear brilliant and
> buckle his swash in front of Servalan (his steel queen, his empress) so
> perhaps he tells her there's a speck of neutron star material, instead of
> saying he's finally figured out a way to get rid of all the plastics in the
> dumps ("Not entirely remove it, my adamantium monarch, but shrink it all
> into something the size of a door stop.")
Standard gee-whiz science PR guff.
If I may be permitted a small diversion, this kind of gosh-wow PR bollocks
really gets on my tits. The papers won't write about anything unless it's
the biggest/smallest/fastest or whatever, every biological discovery has
to be a potential cure for cancer/AIDS, every new bit of physics has to be
a Theory Of Everything. Most of the really fun, interesting things in
science don't have immediate earth-shattering implications, but are just
unusual or unexpected aspects of the world around us. Why can't we enjoy
and appreciate them for their own sake? Why does it always have to be
hyped up into something it isn't?
> As to why Avon would believe it was neutron star material, well, he's not a
> physicist, is he? His specialty is computers. And none of the others really
> has any physics training, now do they?
Right enough. Given that this block is anomalously dense, and that
Egrorian has been working with neutronium, it seems plausible that that's
what's in the plastic - but it is hardly one of the "only logical
explanation"s of which Avon is so fond. After all, he could well have
developed some ultradense plastics in a completely unrelated project.
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:50:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, AChevron wrote:
> In a message dated 98-02-27 20:51:10 EST, you write:
>
> << One point, bet he pushed a lot more than we think he can. He's got a
> small-medium physique, _but_ probably had the same kind of adreniline
> levels that allow grannies to lift Volkswagons, and you know that his
> willpower is incredible. >>
>
>
> I would think there would be a weight limit to the cube due to the
> friction factor. Out of perverseness, I've slid some lifting weights across
> the floor, and 50 pounds is reasonabley easy. However, the cube being smaller
> gives less surface area to push against, and has added friction. My best
> guestiment would be in the neighborhood of 120-140 kilos maximum. Any
> mathmaticians? D. Rose
>
>
The frictional force just depends on the weight, not the surface area. The
only effect of the size is that it may be harder to give it a really good
push. Let's say it's 100 kg. Now, a neutron star has a density of 10^18
kg/m^3, so the block contains 10^(-16) m^3 of neutronium, or a sphere
about 3 microns across. Which is pretty wee.
Iain
(I realise nobody actually wanted to know the size of the speck, but I'm
on a bit of a physics roll at the moment so I calculated it anyway. For
fun.)
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:01:28 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ
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Nicola Collie wrote:
>From past experience, I'm lucky if non-Antipodeans realise we're even in
>the South Pacific.
Some of us know about New Zealand. Actually, I run into quite a lot of New
Zealanders on various lists; they seem to be online in large numbers for a
relatively small country. Especially considering that the Aussies keep
telling me NZ doesn't even have electricity yet...
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com or lcw@dallas.net
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 05:35:01 +1300
From: "Lucas Young" <lyoung@bitworks.co.nz>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ
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Which is funny because at the moment parts of NZ (Auckland) are undergoing a
powercrisis
all 4 power cables into Auckland City mysteriously failed so the Central
Business District of our largest City is dark for the next couple of weeks!!
Lucas
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From: Lisa Williams <lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Tuesday, 3 March 1998 04:59
Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ
>Nicola Collie wrote:
>
>>From past experience, I'm lucky if non-Antipodeans realise we're even in
>>the South Pacific.
>
>Some of us know about New Zealand. Actually, I run into quite a lot of New
>Zealanders on various lists; they seem to be online in large numbers for a
>relatively small country. Especially considering that the Aussies keep
>telling me NZ doesn't even have electricity yet...
>
>_____________________________________________________________
>Lisa Williams: lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com or lcw@dallas.net
>
>Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
>New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:18:21 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Multiple Personality etc
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Harriet was quick to spot
> Wait a minute, I'm sure you said P last time. And I saw enough of
> Keirsey's Reserved/Expressive stuff to know I'm I. So since you are
> clearly lying for purposes not yet clear to me, I must be... er...
whatever
> the opposite to NT was.
OK, Harriet, IMHO you are very strongly an INTP, like my brother aka 'the
Vulcan' whom you met with me in the pub last month. This is not a leg-pull.
We are actually very similar in a lot of ways but you like to be precise
and I am a bit shifty.
Alison
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:38:33 EST
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 98-03-02 10:52:47 EST, you write:
<< (I realise nobody actually wanted to know the size of the speck, but I'm
on a bit of a physics roll at the moment so I calculated it anyway. For
fun.) >>
Actually, I found this quite interesting. Must be that INTP business or
something; look forward to more of your analyses....... D. Rose
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:41:32 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fan Q possibilities
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On Mon 02 Mar, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote:
> OK, here are all the 1997 all-B7 gen zines (including het adult, which
> counts as gen for Fan Q purposes) that I know of. Have I left anything out?
<snip>
> To be on the final ballot, there must be three nominations for each item and
> at least two items in the category. Everything must be designated either
> "gen" (including adult) or "slash" (the single f/f story in =Deadlier Than the
> Male= would presumably be considered slash).
So does that mean that 'Deadlier Than the Male' as a zine must be nominated in
the slash category or in the gen category? Gen would make better sense, but I
don't know what the rules are for mixed zines.
Judith
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:20:40 -0600
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] ssmmmoooking (cough, hack)
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Roger the Shrubber said:
>Cally - Used to smoke a safe herbal mix.
I can see her using a water pipe. One of those four-foot tall ones that sit
on the floor. Every time she's in danger of being possessed, she could puff
out "Who...are...you?"
>Soolin - 30 a day, 60 when socialising, sometimes rolls her own.
Actually, since Soolin has those chubby little cheeks, I think I've figured
out her dark secret: chewing tobacco. Yep, sad but true. On the plus
side, she never misses her target when she spits. Much to Vila's dismay.
Well, he should have known better than to wear that bulls-eye jumpsuit...
>Travis - Marlboros, what else.
LOL! Yes, especially Travis II. He has that squinty, cowboy look.
Del Tarrant is far too sensible to smoke. Deeta Tarrant might indulge in a
fine cigar after a challenge (before or after the sensor net comes off the
forehead? I have wondered just how long they leave those on...)
Dev Tarrant would smoke clove cigarettes. They're so mole-ish.
Lorna B.
"You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:13:35 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Dayna and "Bonding Ritual"
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Dayna grew up on the planet Serran with only her father and Lauren. The
only other people there were the Serran...this makes me think that Hall
Mellanby must have been comfortable teaching sex education, because in
'Ultraworld' Dayna gets all hot and bothered about the Ultra's insistence
that she and Tarrant perform the bonding ritual of humans for their
research. I don't see any reason why Hall would, since they were stranded
on the planet and there's really no chance she'd happen across a
perspective husband. Perhaps from the time after 'Aftermath' and up until
'Ultraworld', the other crew of the Liberator "taught" her. This could
have been indirect or direct influence; she could have heard certain
comments or had a heart-to-heart with Cally. Another possibility could
have been she saw the mating habits of animals on Serran and learned that
way. I just thought of this while watching 'Ultraworld' again....it kind
of dawned on me. I'm intrigued with how people learn, and I think
that in Dayna's situation, there are probably a lot of things she
didn't know...things only a mother and proper education could
teach...or the overwhelming majority of men on board the Liberator. What
do y'all think?
--Grace Robbins (INFJ)
robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu.
http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:08:36 +1100 (EST)
From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list)
Subject: [B7L] Refractions #5 at Deliverance!
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Announcing...
Refractions, Issue 5
Hot off the press!
This most excellent zine will debut at Neutral Zone and Deliverance '98 in
the UK, and some will appear as Orphan zines at Highlander Downunder II
(in Australia). Due to my trekking off to England to said conventions,
I will not be able to do any mail-orders until I get back from England
in April.
Featuring...
Winning Is The Only Safety (2): Hide and Seek
by Kathryn Andersen (Blake's 7/Highlander)
The sequel to Winning is the Only Safety: First Death. After GP, there
are two survivors - Avon, and Vila. Vila ducked, and Avon is immortal.
The price on Vila's head bears fruit: Vila is now in Servalan's hands.
Servalan wants Avon and Orac - and Avon wants to be left alone. Servalan
searches for Avon, and Avon searches for a mysterious computer hacker.
Richie Ryan visits an old friend, but tranquility is not what he gets.
Mortality Rate
by Russet McMillan (Highlander)
When an unknown immortal is beheaded outside Joe's bar, it isn't as
simple as it seems. Richie gropes for memories from the dead woman's
quickening, to try to find out who she was, who killed her... and why.
The killer must have been a mortal because the quickening went to Richie.
But why kill her outside Joe's bar? Was it a Hunter? An enemy of the
Watchers? Or something more personal? As Richie and Joe investigate,
more questions arise. And if the answers are wrong... somebody could die.
Other prose and poetry by Kathryn Andersen, Kerry Blackwell, Inga Marie
Horwood, and Kate Orman, set in the universes of Blake's 7, Highlander,
Babylon 5, and the Tomorrow People.
Note: many of the pieces in this issue are reprints from mailing lists
or from the web.
Illustrated by Kathryn Andersen and Mary O'Connor.
49800 words, 70 pages. Parchment paper covers.
For more information, contact <refract@welkin.apana.org.au>
or look at the Refractions web page
http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat/refract.htm
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:42:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Oh, my stars and little fishes!
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I didn't say Avon was insane. Did I? I'm not insane, and I
have monopolar clinical depression. I was just comparing Avon's
behavior to some classical diagnoses. I never thought Avon was
insane. I think sometimes he thought he was close to getting
there, but usually, he was far too sane for his own comfort.
Nicola -- you were angry at Marcus? Why? Because he threw
his life away for a woman who wouldn't spit in his mouth if his
back teeth were on fire? I thought Ivanova was an idiot where he
was concerned. Sorry, off topic.
"Mostly just a crabby guy who doesn't much like the way his
life is going." Sounds like Drew Carey to me. Ugh!
The crossover I'd like to see is Avon and Methos.
Welcome, Lucas! I know how you feel. "Blake" was the first
episode I saw. It was stunning, and I just HAD to know how
someone's life could get so screwed up that they could shoot a
person they obviously cared about. (I trust there is not a lot
of disagreement here? Or are we replete with those who believe
that Avon only wanted Blake as a figurehead?)
Anyway, you must adopt Avon's attitude -- anyone who
"flames" you is obviously of inferior understanding! Post more,
please!
Patti
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:18:40 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] New Zealanders
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Lucas:
> Hi! I'm another Kiwi, from Taranaki.
Yay! flushed one out of the bushes :-)
Welcome, Lucas.
Sapphire and Steel, yes! Creeped me out as a kid, and still gives me
shivers today. How can such simple effects be so sinister?
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
------------------------------
Date: 02 Mar 1998 21:38:29 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ
Message-ID: <usyaysakvu.fsf@sandra.lysator.liu.se>
Lisa Williams <lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com> writes:
> Especially considering that the Aussies keep telling me NZ doesn't
> even have electricity yet...
Well, bits of it doesn't. I just unsubbed a NZ:er who normally gets
his access from the University of Auckland...
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia! Where am I? Fnord? Oh, there.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:38:45 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Flashheart
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>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:44:22 -0600
>>Helen Wrote:
>>> Tarrant = Lord Flashheart, without a doubt! Ace pilot, animalistic sex
>>> drive, all courage.
>Heather wrote:
>>And bloody annoying!
and then Lorna wrote:
>Gee, when I used to read one of the british tv newsgroups, appearances by
>Lord Flashheart were always greeted with great delight by the Blackadder
>fans. Funny how people's perceptions differ, isn't it.
Ah well, you mustn't necessarily interpret that delight as thinking he
*isn't* annoying. :-) I love Flashheart, but he is a vain, self centred
brat who likes to wear dresses. :-))) I think Tarrant would look
scrumptious in that gold wedding dress of Bob's. He's too pretty to be
Percy, it's true... but I would give odds on for him making a rather nicer
(and less goggly-eyed) Prince George.
Just taking this whole game a silly step further... I've been rewatching
some old Goodies episode. Now, I'd say Avon and Graham were ringers, and
Vila is a fairly close match for Bill (only less hairy) - but who gets to
be Tim Brooke Taylor?
Narrelle
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris
parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax
"Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit;
by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:24:20 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Vila's accepting nature
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980302192420.007af6c0@wire.net.au>
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Iain wrote:
> This, I think, is the key point: Vila doesn't hold grudges. It makes
> sense - he's been pushed around constantly ("All my life there've been
> people like you"), and growing up like that he had to learn to just
> let it wash over him or he'd have become a bitter, nasty misanthrope.
And Kathryn replied:
Brilliant point! Never thought about this before, but you're right.
There is no way he could afford, in his life, to hold grudges. It's
resignation to his lot in life, not resentment.
You know - if Vila's at all like me (and I'm rather afraid he is sometimes
:-) ) he probably forgets to be mad at people. I get really ticked off at
something someone does, and the next time I see them it's all smiles and
jokes etc and afterwards I think "Oh, that's right, I was mad at them about
such and such. Oh well." :-)
That's for most things, anyway. Mortal wounds to the soul are another
matter. If Avon had tried to space me in 'Orbit' I may have even been able
to stay mad at him for at least a month.
Narrelle
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tim Richards and Narrelle Harris
parallax@wire.net.au http://www.wire.net.au/~parallax
"Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit;
by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 14:38:57 -0800
From: Jay & Dave <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila's accepting nature
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980302143857.006abebc@succeed.net>
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At 07:24 PM 3/2/98 +1000, Narrelle wrote:
>
>You know - if Vila's at all like me (and I'm rather afraid he is sometimes
>:-) ) he probably forgets to be mad at people. I get really ticked off at
>something someone does, and the next time I see them it's all smiles and
>jokes etc and afterwards I think "Oh, that's right, I was mad at them about
>such and such. Oh well." :-)
This is me to a tee. I *always* forget that I'm mad with some one, I'm
nice to them and it makes me even madder afterwards, then I forget about
it. Next time I see them it's to late to be mad anymore.
>
>That's for most things, anyway. Mortal wounds to the soul are another
>matter. If Avon had tried to space me in 'Orbit' I may have even been able
>to stay mad at him for at least a month.
Some things I find too hard to forgive. I don't think I would have ever
forgived Avon if he ever tried to space me, although I wouldn't have stayed
mad at him for long. My trust would have been broken and I probably would
have asked for a lift to the nearest pleasure planet.
Jay
Still 100% Avon
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:04:43 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ
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Lisa:
>> Especially considering that the Aussies keep telling me NZ doesn't
>> even have electricity yet...
Calle:
>Well, bits of it doesn't. I just unsubbed a NZ:er who normally gets
>his access from the University of Auckland...
Yes, we in the South Island think this is a great laugh. Ribbing
Aucklanders is a national sport; much of the nation's electricity is
generated in the SI. We go to all that trouble and expense to squirt juice
through kilometres of cable, and they can't get it the last little bit of
the way!
For those who are interested: the corporation that sells electricity to the
good people of Auckland has 4 supply cables leading to the CBD. Over a
ridiculously short period all 4 failed, leaving the businesses of Central
Auckland in the dark, in more ways than one. There are those who say that
if aforesaid corp had spent some money on maintenance rather than buying
out competitors...
Story at: http://www.press.co.nz/08/98022327.htm
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:57:28 +0000
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Refractions#5 at Deliverence
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> Announcing...
>
> Refractions, Issue 5
>
> Hot off the press!
>
> This most excellent zine will debut at Neutral Zone and Deliverance '98 in
> the UK, and some will appear as Orphan zines at Highlander Downunder II
> (in Australia). Due to my trekking off to England to said conventions,
> I will not be able to do any mail-orders until I get back from England
> in April.
>
> Featuring...
>
> Winning Is The Only Safety (2): Hide and Seek
> by Kathryn Andersen (Blake's 7/Highlander)
>
> The sequel to Winning is the Only Safety: First Death. After GP, there
> are two survivors - Avon, and Vila. Vila ducked, and Avon is immortal.
>
> The price on Vila's head bears fruit: Vila is now in Servalan's hands.
> Servalan wants Avon and Orac - and Avon wants to be left alone. Servalan
> searches for Avon, and Avon searches for a mysterious computer hacker.
> Richie Ryan visits an old friend, but tranquility is not what he gets.
>
> Mortality Rate
> by Russet McMillan (Highlander)
>
> When an unknown immortal is beheaded outside Joe's bar, it isn't as
> simple as it seems. Richie gropes for memories from the dead woman's
> quickening, to try to find out who she was, who killed her... and why.
> The killer must have been a mortal because the quickening went to Richie.
> But why kill her outside Joe's bar? Was it a Hunter? An enemy of the
> Watchers? Or something more personal? As Richie and Joe investigate,
> more questions arise. And if the answers are wrong... somebody could die.
>
> Other prose and poetry by Kathryn Andersen, Kerry Blackwell, Inga Marie
> Horwood, and Kate Orman, set in the universes of Blake's 7, Highlander,
> Babylon 5, and the Tomorrow People.
>
> Note: many of the pieces in this issue are reprints from mailing lists
> or from the web.
>
> Illustrated by Kathryn Andersen and Mary O'Connor.
> 49800 words, 70 pages. Parchment paper covers.
Please reserve me a copy, and I`ll pay & collect at Neutral Zone.
Ta, ever so.
Jackie
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:01:57 +0000
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Flashheart
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Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris wrote:
>
> >Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:44:22 -0600
> >>Helen Wrote:
> >>> Tarrant = Lord Flashheart, without a doubt! Ace pilot, animalistic sex
> >>> drive, all courage.
> >Heather wrote:
> >>And bloody annoying!
> and then Lorna wrote:
> >Gee, when I used to read one of the british tv newsgroups, appearances by
> >Lord Flashheart were always greeted with great delight by the Blackadder
> >fans. Funny how people's perceptions differ, isn't it.
>
> Ah well, you mustn't necessarily interpret that delight as thinking he
> *isn't* annoying. :-) I love Flashheart, but he is a vain, self centred
> brat who likes to wear dresses. :-))) I think Tarrant would look
> scrumptious in that gold wedding dress of Bob's. He's too pretty to be
> Percy, it's true... but I would give odds on for him making a rather nicer
> (and less goggly-eyed) Prince George.
>
> Just taking this whole game a silly step further... I've been rewatching
> some old Goodies episode. Now, I'd say Avon and Graham were ringers, and
> Vila is a fairly close match for Bill (only less hairy) - but who gets to
> be Tim Brooke Taylor?
Orac.
No one else could be that pedantic.
Jackie
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:04:56 -0800
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
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----------
> From: Ophelia <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
> Mary W. O'Connor:
>
> >I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a
long
> >holiday.
>
>
> B-Complex and Evening Primrose Oil,
> with a nice dose of valerian before
> chatting with Tarrant. Say, I wonder if
> Avon suffers from PMT?
Post-Malodaar Tension? No, I think that's more likely to be Vila.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:57:09 +1000 (EST)
From: Gordon & Carol <gcb7@magna.com.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: worst first lines
Message-Id: <199803030057.KAA20661@magna.com.au>
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>#3 Ignoring the pain that threatened to overwhelm his senses, that
>howled agony through every fibre of his being, making him wish he'd never
>been born, Avon crawled with agonising slowness through the alligator
>infested swamp, eyes peeled for a sighting of yet another of the ravenous
>man-eating beasts that had already ripped the flesh from his leg, knowing
>that if he was caught once more before he made his way to safety, there
>would be nothing left of him but bones bleaching whitely in the sun,
>knowing too that he would have failed in his ultimate objective, that he
>would have have lost (albeit unintentionally - but when had that ever made
>any difference) the one being who meant more to him than any other in the
>known universes, the one entity to whom he had unwillingly given, but given
>none the less, his undying love and affection, the one person to whom he
>had finally committed himself after so long trying to resist the fatal
>attraction, the one thing that he knew would never betray him or let him
>down - somewhere in this swamp, Avon had lost his teddy bear... --Judith
>Proctor
ROTFL!!!!!
Very good Judith.
Catch You Later,
Carol.
Semper Fidelis
Carol "Hondo" Mason < gcb7@magna.com.au >
*******************************************************************
* "Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity" *
* "Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film" *
* "Friends may come and go, but enemies tend to accumlate" *
* "If you can't convince them, confuse them" *
* "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk" *
*******************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:20:27 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: worst first lines
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[snip]
>#2 He had finally identified the strange noise: Blake stood in the door
>to the flight deck and stared in horror at Avon, Jenna, Cally, and Vila as
>they rocked back and forth and sang along quietly with the figure on the
>main screen, "I love you...You love me..." --Robin
ROFL! (but yelling aaargh! at the same time ;-))
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:05:23 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
CC: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
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AChevron wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-03-02 10:52:47 EST, you write:
>
> << (I realise nobody actually wanted to know the size of the speck, but I'm
> on a bit of a physics roll at the moment so I calculated it anyway. For
> fun.) >>
>
> Actually, I found this quite interesting. Must be that INTP business or
> something; look forward to more of your analyses....... D. Rose
Likewise... I've enjoyed every scientific analysis given so far.
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Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:31:18 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: PATTI McCLELLAN <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Oh, my stars and little fishes!
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> Anyway, you must adopt Avon's attitude -- anyone who
> "flames" you is obviously of inferior understanding! Post more,
> please!
>
> Patti
Obviously.
:^/
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:13:01 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Moon Base Three (was Space Island One)
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Harriet M asked:
> Oh lord, I remember Moon Base Three.
[snip]
> People were always trying to rape
> the psychiatrist?
Nope, you're thinking of Pages Bar. Close enough, though.
Tom.
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:21:23 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Blake
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Sandra Kisner said:
> Does anyone remember the time a while ago when we had a "contest"
> for worst first line/story premise (whatever) and some of the winners
> involved a misty-eyed Avon surveying his friends in a field of gamboling
> unicorns and bunnies, or Servalan with a box of puppies? :-)
Servalan with a box of puppies? Not enough challenge, surely?
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:14:22 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] If you give me your attention,
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Helen K wrote, twice:
> Tom Forsyth wrote:
> >
> > Helen K said:
> > > Are there other Dayna fans besides myslef? Can I set up
> > > D.ayna's A.dmiring M.ob of N.utters?
> >
> > Damn! Found out again. :-)
> >
> > Tom Forsyth.
>
> Hurrah! Two people, enough to make DAMN official.
Three if you count both of Helen's personalities (who seem to be in perfect
agreement at the moment) :-)
Tom.
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:40:29 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] stories named after missing persons
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Fram M asked:
> Ummm....doesn't EVERYBODY call their computer ORAC?
No! I really really want to believe that I know, understand and most of all
control the damn things. Of course in my heart I know this isn't true, and
every day, in every way, they tell me so. But I'm not going to just admit
defeat and call them "Orac". Scorpio, Liberator, Sharon and Tracy - maybe.
But not Orac.
> Can anyone think of other stories where the main character goes missing
> half way through?
Well, Waiting for Godot is the obvious one.
It was only in the last draft of A New Hope that George Lucas decided that
Ben Kenobi had to go - there was noting for him to do otherwise except
stand around and cheer, which is no good for such an important bloke.
Unfortunately, one of the few actors he had decided on by then was Alec
Guiness. Sir Alec was not amused (initially).
Tom Forsyth
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:24:33 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
Message-Id: <l03130310b121196edcc8@[139.80.16.149]>
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Iain:
><< (I realise nobody actually wanted to know the size of the speck, but I'm
> on a bit of a physics roll at the moment so I calculated it anyway. For
> fun.) >>
D. Rose:
> Actually, I found this quite interesting. Must be that INTP business or
>something; look forward to more of your analyses....... D. Rose
Me, too. Just 'cos maths/physics/litcrit/whatever is taught to unwilling
teenagers who'd rather be anywhere else than at school, doesn't mean we
can't enjoy it! Phew, got a bit ranty there, sorry folks.
Anyway, yeah, I like this sort of analysis, too. I've got my own areas of
expertise that I like to expound on - and in email you can't see the other
person's eyes glaze over...
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:31:41 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo)
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Nicola C said:
> Sorry, that gland gang again. What I meant to say was, Kevin Smith is one
> of our sexier exports.
[snip]
> More sexy Kiwi exports: Russell Crowe (Quick and the Dead, and others),
> Temuera Morrison (Speed 2).
There was that wossname sword-wielding leather-clad girly person, wasn't
there? Wouldn'd kick her out of bed for eating crackers.
Tom Forsyth.
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