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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 76
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Video tapes
Re: [B7L] Smoking/Addiction
Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
Re: [B7L] Miss you all
[B7L] Re: Machiavelli
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[B7L]:Servers
Re: [B7L]:Servers
[B7L] What is going on here?
[B7L] B7 and Dad's Army
Re: [B7L] What is going on here?
[B7L] Decisions, decisions
Re: [B7L] What is going on here?
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Re: [B7L] video tapes
[B7L] Original Costumes
Re: [B7L] What is going on here?
Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways
Re: [B7L] Decisions, decisions
[B7L] worst first lines
Re: [B7L] Decisions, decisions
[B7L] unwanted message
[B7L] (no subject)
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:06:22 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Video tapes
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Sorry if people have already got this post but my computer crashed
the first time I sent it and I'm not sure if it went through:
I've now seen the first two B7 video tapes on sale in the new
release. The bastards. They've got great new covers. HMV are
selling them in a nice cardboard box cover. Woolworths is
giving away free collectors postcards with them. All of them
trying to tempt me in to owning two sets of B7 videos. I will
resist. I WILL RESIST!
I got my train tickets to Deliverance in the post today. Only
three weeks to go. Eeek!
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"The workers united will never be ignited"
Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:27:46 +1030
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "B7 Spin List" <b7spin@metva.com.au>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Smoking/Addiction
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[I'm cc-ing this to the Spin list,]
Dear Patti:
first of all, my intent was
not to offend. That's why I put my
disclaimer at the front. Any smoker or
non-smoking likely to be offended by
a passionate anti-smoker mucking
about on the topic of B7 and smoking
had a fair chance to press delete.
I *am* sorry if I caused pain, but such
was not my intent.
[Patti]:
<< How to approach this? Having been offended myself, I have no
desire to be offensive in turn. Perhaps, he jests at scars who never
felt a wound? I am a recovered alcoholic -- it will be 28 years at
the end of May. I am also an ex-smoker. I assure you I have an
excellent I.Q. That has NOTHING to do with addiction.>>
<frown> If you mean me - and I'm a she -
feel free to be offensive. It's the B7 list.
I expect it. <g>
I don't think intelligence is linked to addiction.
I think intelligence (and selfishness) are linked
to whether you decide to put something you
know is addictive, harmful and plain smelly
into your lungs in the first place. And sure, you
can still have a high IQ and do something
dumb.
And, yes, I've felt the wounds, which is
*why* I'm so bitter. I've already lost
two family members to smoking-related
diseases, and the absolute FUTILITY
of dying for something useless that
makes half the population shudder
when you do it near them is tragic.
Suffering from chronic disease, pain
and disability, I am especially aware
of people who endanger their health
by not taking responsibility for their
own well-being.
You're right, though - I've never been
drunk, I've never smoked or taken
recreational drugs. Although I
take morphine when the pain becomes
unbearable and tranquillisers when the
depression becomes unbearable,
I take them only when I *need* to,
never just when I feel depressed and
in pain and *want* to. I take care of
myself, and, yes, I'm proud of that.
<<When one observes addition, contempt is not appropriate.
Compassion is better.>>
I wasn't observing addiction. I was
kidding around with Darren about
whether B7 chaarcters would smoke,
for the Goddesses sake. Smoking is
a nasty, anti-social, self-destructive
"leisure activity," and it's damned
hard for me to respect. It also seems
to make a certain kind of person
utterly obnoxious, using their persecution
complexes to justify blowing smoke
into the faces of serious asthmatics
like my mother, or posioning their own
baby. I'm sorry for your pain, but that
doesn't mean I suddenly think smoking
is a banned topic for mucking about.
I admire Soolin, in particular, immensely
(has anyone guessed?) and no, I can't
see her smoking. She's eminently
sensible - a woman with enough self
control to wait until she was the best
before getting revenge would be unlikely
to light that first fag, take that first snort,
whatever.
And contempt and compassion
are not mutually exclusive. Just
becuase I watched my best friend
destroy her chances at her new job
by being stupid didn't mean I didn't
weep in sympathy when she was
fired. I'm sorry for anyone genuinely
struggling with addiction, but
there are also a lot of "social"
smokers who haven't even tried to
give up.
- XXX Lindley
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:40:49 +1030
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>,
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
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[Steve Taylor]:
>No - Avon is Yvette (actually its more the thought of her in black
>leather....) - cunning, manipulative, always gets what she wants:-)
ROFL.
But Yvette is so - so - unattractive, Lindley
moans, wondering once more at the vast
differences between what different people
find sexy. (Maria, Helga, Herr Flick,
Michelle and Lt. Gruber were the ones that
hit my trigger. And some of the German
soldier extras.)
'Course, Avon would look cute in that
little French maid uniform.
Helga was the *truly* cunning one.
She maneuvred herself into a win-win
situation - if Herr Flick got the real
painting, she'd let him marry her, if the
Colonel got the painting, he'd promised
to share the profits with her. And she
was always so icily self-controlled -
unless there was a chance of being
interrogated, of course. She was a
real Soolin avatar. What really amazes
me was no matter how many times
Helga betrayed both sides, neither
seemd to bear any grudge. Of course,
this is completely off-topic - I just
find those two fascinating.
Oh, I found a role for Lisa. In the
episode shown last night, it was *Lisa*
who had her arm around Michelle's
waist. If Blake is Michelle - "Blake
of the Rebels, Blake the living legend,
Blake who appears out of the darkness
like a shadow and strikes fear into the
heart of the Federation and collaborators
alike" - and Jenna is 'Enriette, then
Lisa is that kid Blake had a fling with
in "Hostage." <big grin>
>Steve T
>
>PS anyone want to start a Dad's Army cross-over! - I would but I'm not that
>good at this sort of thing!
From your Avon/Yvette entry,
I'd beg to differ with your over-modesty...
I'd love to see one too, but I'm not as
obsessively over-familiar with Dad's
Army as I am with 'Allo 'Allo.
- XXX Lindley
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:48:54 +1030
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Miss you all
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[Tramila]:
>I miss you all however between school and company visiting for the next 10
>days, I won't be here to play and support my cuddly Vila. Be nice to him
>while I'm gone. <g>
*Nice* to him? Bang goes my fantasy
involving the leather handcuffs,
corkscrew, bed of nails and small
kitten, then.
Never mind. I'm first in line to
give him a comforting cuddle,
then. "Orbit" always makes me
want to hug him hard to make
him feel better. And seeing the
situations were similar (from his
point of view, anyway) in
"City," I can understand why Kerril
flipped over him so quickly.
Actually, I could understand it anyway...
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:05:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli
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Harrit said:
>Narrelle said, re Orbit:
>>But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was
>>'the end justifies the means'.
>Yes, of course, but you're more likely to achieve your end if you do it
>by.intelligent and statesmanlike means, not by prowling round using your
>best.come-out-so-I-can-shoot-you voice. Machiavelli would explain the
>intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come out
>and get shot.
And don't forget Machiavelli's other point - 'present it well enough and
people will be persuaded of anything!' (Somewhat paraphrased)...
Una
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:33:20 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061533.JAA14525@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:34:00 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:41:30 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061541.JAA15957@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:42:33 -0000
From: "Jenni-Alison" <jenni-alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
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Lindley asked:
> And what represents the Fallen
> Madonna with the Big Boobies?
How about The Liberator with the big Nacelles?
Jenni
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:54:35 -0700 (MST)
From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
To: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
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Calle, what isthe point of these blank messages?
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:57:40 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061557.JAA18733@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:17:11 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061617.KAA21635@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:18:57 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:24:44 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061624.KAA22915@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:29:32 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061629.KAA23951@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 16:32:42 -0800
From: "J. I. Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]:Servers
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Sorry if this subject is now a little past its 'Best Before' date but I
just saw an article in Computer Weekly yesterday concerning the names
people give to their servers.
Someone called Concord Communications carried out a 'Name That Server'
survey and found that 80% of IT staff named their servers after something
totally unrelated to work.
No mention was made of Orac, Zen or Slave but it did say that Star Trek
characters featured particularly strongly.
The example I particularly liked was the respondent who named his servers
Anthrax, Ebola and Scurvy in the hope of scaring away lesser viruses.
(Is scurvy a virus? I thought it was brought on by not eating enough
Vitamin C)
Julie Horner
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Date: 06 Mar 1998 17:57:40 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]:Servers
Message-ID: <usd8fz7o57.fsf@sandra.lysator.liu.se>
"J. I. Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> The example I particularly liked was the respondent who named his servers
> Anthrax, Ebola and Scurvy in the hope of scaring away lesser viruses.
Not long ago we got five new Sun workstations. I wanted to name them
Death, War, Famine, Pestilence and Microsoft, but the boss-type vetoed it.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:47:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] What is going on here?
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Why am I getting all of these empty messages from
blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se mailed to this list? Am I the only one
getting this or is everybody having the same problem? I opened up my
email and it said I had 55 new messages, and I just checked them last
night. For a second there, I thought that I had become a very popular
person overnight!!
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??
--Grace Robbins
Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judge
robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu
http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:39:19 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B7 and Dad's Army
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Well, I think the most obvious parallel between Dad's army and Blakes 7 is
Sergeant Wilson.
- he's the most intelligent and well educated man in the platoon
- he doesn't care who knows it
- he likes to make withering remarks directed at the incompetence of the
man in charge
- he is emotionally reserved
- he is the most attractive to women
I rest my case. He is however much politer than Avon ('do you think that's
awfully *wise* sir?') in a manner which suggests passive aggression. Avon's
aggression was never that passive as far as I recall. I seem to remember
Wilson didn't like to carry a gun, which is another pretty glaring
discrepency.
This makes Blake = Mainwaring. Well, there are some pretty strong
similarities. 'Fall in men, and I'll explain what we are going to do.' The
clincher is how infuriated he gets with Wilson.
Others in brief:
Cally has to be Frasier the undertaker ('we're all doomed') on account of
he likes to suggest that he understands the dark forces of the spirit
world.
Gan has to be - whassis name? - Sponge, who hangs around in the background
without really joining in.
Vila is Walker, a perfectly able-bodied man who has never done an honest
day's work in his life.
Jones, belligerent and over-active in a way reminiscent of Scrappy Doo,
could be Dayna. I could be persuaded that he is actually Tarrant except
that 'They don't like it up 'em' would clearly be an inappropriate
catch-phrase in that context.
Alison
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Date: 06 Mar 1998 19:02:59 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] What is going on here?
Message-ID: <us4t1bsnn0.fsf@sandra.lysator.liu.se>
"G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu> writes:
> WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??
Someone is sending completely empty messages to the list, not even
with the normal set of headers in them.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
Please pay no attention to the panda in the fridge.
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:06:29 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Decisions, decisions
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Right, it's decision time!
I have to figure out what I'm doing on the last weekend in March, and I
think you lot can help. Really it's a question of how long to spend at
deliverance: the convention fees are OK, but the hotel rate starts to
mount up. At the moment, attending on Saturday and Sunday, staying in the
hotel Saturday night, looks pretty affordable. If I were to stretch my
budget a bit, what would be the best investment? Friday evening - Sunday
evening or Saturday afternoon - Monday morning?
I've never been to a con before, so I'm in the dark a bit here. I'm
imagining something like an astronomy conference, but with fewer lectures
and better dress sense.
Iain
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:27:49 -0600
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] What is going on here?
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>Why am I getting all of these empty messages from
>blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se mailed to this list? Am I the only one
>getting this or is everybody having the same problem? I opened up my
>email and it said I had 55 new messages, and I just checked them last
>night. For a second there, I thought that I had become a very popular
>person overnight!!
>
>WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??
>
I'm getting the exact same problem.
It's getting annoying.
Reuben
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:39:16 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: B7 Spin <b7spin@metva.com.au>
Subject: [B7L]
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Iain said:
>Some people in the social sciences seem to suffer from "physics envy":
>they don't appreciate that the grand unifying principles of physics
>emerged very gradually from a lot of smaller-scale work.
Spot on! They're also involved in an act of legitimization: 'If we call it
'science' it's gotta to be true...' The actual 'science' behind a lot of
psychological research is, to my mind, questionable.
>Mind you, this isn't quite what I was on about. By "predictive power", I
>really just meant that the corellation between the measurements and some
>other observable would be the same for all populations (or a sufficiently
>large subset at least), so that one could then use the measurements to
>make some statistical prediction of the other observable. IQ and academic
>performance, for example.
Ah yes, but IQ also correlates with other variables such as social class
(depending on how you tweak your experimental design!!). As I think Fran
pointed out, IQ measuring was used to 'prove scientifically' that blacks
were less intelligent than whites. I think it's essential to be aware of
the power issues behind claims to scientific legitimacy.
[Going back to my 'tweaking' point: it's interesting when you read papers
that try to tell you what are the most effective means of psychological
'intervention' (*lurve* that word!) for 'illnesses' such as depression
you don't find much in the way of consensus. Depending on what you stick
in the experiment you get a whole load of different answers:
therapy, drugs, bit of both... Even the control where people simply have a
chat with their doctor once a week made a lot of people feel better. This
is why the idea of salience is so interesting... And don't forget what a
pisser this is for psychologists: how can you justify spending all that
money on researching treatments for depression when your experiments seem
to be saying that all people need is a bit of a cry and a pat on the back
(which I'm *not* suggesting before the firing squad pops up!!!!)? All
these damn experiments conclude with demands for more resources and
funding for these people to pour into their experiments, and not a flicker
of doubt that perhaps they're approaching the 'problem' in the wrong way!!
OK, rant mode off now!!]
Back to Iain's remarks... There is also a question of what is actually
being observed. I *don't* believe that in IQ tests we are observing and
measuring intelligence, whatever that might be.
Physics is increasingly concerned with the interplay and the fuzziness
between subject and object. It strikes me that such a concern should be
fundamental when what is being observed is another human being.
Here endeth the second lesson!
'Una' "I'm so pretentious that everything has to be in inverted commas"
'McCormack'
PS Apparently you can get a pair of bookends which are inverted commas
which, when put round your books, make your entire library ironic! ;)
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:56:56 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:30 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:28 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA17019@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:17 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA16946@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:21 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA16977@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:35:00 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061535.JAA14768@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:28 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA18980@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:47:42 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061547.JAA16758@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:47:22 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061547.JAA16615@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:50:09 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061550.JAA17247@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:15 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA18912@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:50:12 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061550.JAA17336@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:37 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061555.JAA18377@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:07 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061555.JAA18216@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:34 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19027@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:45:28 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061545.JAA16389@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:35:05 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061535.JAA14795@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:49:58 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061549.JAA17111@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:55:39 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061555.JAA18397@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:37 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19048@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:31 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19005@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:47:28 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061547.JAA16670@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:45:26 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061545.JAA16375@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:58:55 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 and Dad's Army
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980306115855.006ad3b4@succeed.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 05:39 PM 3/6/98 -0000, you wrote:
>Well, I think the most obvious parallel between Dad's army and Blakes 7 is
>Sergeant Wilson.
>
>- he's the most intelligent and well educated man in the platoon
>- he doesn't care who knows it
>- he likes to make withering remarks directed at the incompetence of the
>man in charge
>- he is emotionally reserved
>- he is the most attractive to women
>
>I rest my case. He is however much politer than Avon ('do you think that's
>awfully *wise* sir?') in a manner which suggests passive aggression. Avon's
>aggression was never that passive as far as I recall. I seem to remember
>Wilson didn't like to carry a gun, which is another pretty glaring
>discrepency.
>
>This makes Blake = Mainwaring. Well, there are some pretty strong
>similarities. 'Fall in men, and I'll explain what we are going to do.' The
>clincher is how infuriated he gets with Wilson.
>
>Others in brief:
>
>Cally has to be Frasier the undertaker ('we're all doomed') on account of
>he likes to suggest that he understands the dark forces of the spirit
>world.
>
>Gan has to be - whassis name? - Sponge, who hangs around in the background
>without really joining in.
>
>Vila is Walker, a perfectly able-bodied man who has never done an honest
>day's work in his life.
These are perfect!!
>
>Jones, belligerent and over-active in a way reminiscent of Scrappy Doo,
>could be Dayna. I could be persuaded that he is actually Tarrant except
>that 'They don't like it up 'em' would clearly be an inappropriate
>catch-phrase in that context.
Or maybe Soolin? Always ready with her gun.
I was thinking Pike was Tarrant, mainly because of the youthful looks, but
I can't see Tarrant running home to ask his Mum everytime they go out. :-)
Servalan has to be Mr. Hodges, always barging in and spoiling their day.
Which makes Travis the vicar or the verger.
Which leaves Jenna, and the old, old guy who makes the cucumber sandwiches.
Jay
100% Avon
>
>Alison
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:24 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA18957@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:57 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19146@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:50:06 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061550.JAA17171@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:40 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061558.JAA19075@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:47:25 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061547.JAA16642@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 12:04:51 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] video tapes
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980306120451.006af808@succeed.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 11:42 AM 3/6/98 GMT, you wrote:
>I've now seen the first two B7 video tapes on sale in the new
>release. The bastards. They've got great new covers. HMV are
>selling them in a nice cardboard box cover. Woolworths is
>giving away free collectors postcards with them. All of them
>trying to tempt me in to owning two sets of B7 videos. I will
>resist. I WILL RESIST!
How much are they? This might call for a quick phone call to Mum to nip
down to Woolies for me.
Jay
100% Avon
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:35:20 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061535.JAA14883@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 12:10:04 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Smoking/Addiction
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980306121004.006b2c78@succeed.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 01:27 AM 3/7/98 +1030, you wrote:
>[I'm cc-ing this to the Spin list,]
Sorry if I sound a thickie, but how do I get onto the Spin List?
Thanks
Jay
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:45:23 -0600 (CST)
From: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L]
Message-Id: <199803061545.JAA16357@dragon.ti.com>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:20:44 -0600
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] video tapes
Message-ID: <001701bd493d$580caba0$660114ac@misnt>
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>At 11:42 AM 3/6/98 GMT, Jay wrote:
>>I've now seen the first two B7 video tapes on sale in the new
>>release. The bastards. They've got great new covers. HMV are
>>selling them in a nice cardboard box cover. Woolworths is
>>giving away free collectors postcards with them. All of them
>>trying to tempt me in to owning two sets of B7 videos. I will
>>resist. I WILL RESIST!
>
>How much are they? This might call for a quick phone call to Mum to nip
>down to Woolies for me.
>
>
Any chance anyone has a scanner and could let us US types get to see the new
covers?
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:16:32 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Original Costumes
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980306140421.23765E-100000@inet-ux.graceland.edu>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Does anybody know what happened to these original costumes? Who has them
or have they disapeared?
1. The costume Cally wore in "Killer". It was a maroon crushed
velvet dress that I really liked. There were only two scenes of her
in it, as far as I can remember (didn't see much of her in that
episode), and I would really like to know what happened to it.
2. Avon's "Ugly-Red-Leather-Mummy-Suit" top. I've had private
fantasies of burning it but I probably wouldn't if it came down to
it. Even though I hate it, I'd probably want to keep it, just
because it was one of his outfits. Oh, and I'd deffinately keep the
matching pants. Those would hold a special place in my shrine! (Just
joking)
If anybody knows, please inform me!
Also, my web page is updated now and there have been a lot of changes in
format. Stop on by if you've got the time!
--Grace Robbins
Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Judge
robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu
http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:35:05 -0000
From: "Val Westall" <v.westall@zen.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] What is going on here?
Message-Id: <199803062138.VAA27619@zen.co.uk>
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v.westall@zen.co.uk
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> From: G. Robbins
>
> Why am I getting all of these empty messages from
> blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se mailed to this list? Am I the only
one
> getting this or is everybody having the same problem? I opened up
my
> email and it said I had 55 new messages, and I just checked them
last
> night. For a second there, I thought that I had become a very
popular
> person overnight!!
>
> WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??
>
> Just to let you know that I am experiencing exactly the same thing.
Two hours ago I received 6 of these blank messages and just now I
logged
on and received a further 28!
Can anything be done to stop anymore of these messages?
Cheers,
(from someone who is usually a lurker!),
Val.
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:09:38 -0600
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways
Message-Id: <199803070012.SAA03381@pemberton.magnolia.net>
John wrote:
>One of the more persistant rumours that I have encountered about the B7
>series was that of the alleged cut in Orbit. I have had from 4 unconnected
>sources that Vila's face was supposed to be tear streaked when the action
>tracked to his hidey hole in the upstairs cupboard. This was meant to show
>his feelings re the betrayal from someone he put his allegence & trust
into.
>I have been told that this scene was cut to maintain a PG rating - the
>inclusion of this scene would have boosted the rating to an M rating.
>Is this true or have I been fed a lot of nonsense?
Well, I think Keating and Vere Lorrimer have said the same--that TPTB found
it "too real" to broadcast. Well, it was seen as a kids' show, after all.
I don't think they had PG ratings and such, though. Or maybe they
did--anyone here in the know?
And there is a delicious photo in one of the Marvel Monthlies that shows
Vila crouched on the deck of the shuttle after Avon has gone back to the
flight deck, obviously sobbing his little heart out. Beautifully angsty.
Damn, I wish they'd left that in the telecast!
Lorna B.
"You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite."
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:50:03 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mary W O'Connor" <zvs225@freenet.mb.ca>
To: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Decisions, decisions
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.91.980306183541.29945A-100000@winnie.freenet.mb.ca>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> Right, it's decision time!
>
> I have to figure out what I'm doing on the last weekend in March, and I
> think you lot can help. Really it's a question of how long to spend at
> deliverance: the convention fees are OK, but the hotel rate starts to
> mount up.
They sure do, but it is important to be on site.
>At the moment, attending on Saturday and Sunday, staying in the
> hotel Saturday night, looks pretty affordable. If I were to stretch my
> budget a bit, what would be the best investment? Friday evening - Sunday
> evening or Saturday afternoon - Monday morning?
>
> I've never been to a con before, so I'm in the dark a bit here. I'm
> imagining something like an astronomy conference, but with fewer lectures
> and better dress sense.
Your are going to have fun!
You are going to be sorry you didn't go to the whole thing.
Take a camera. I am hoping to get pictures of as many people from this
list as I can. The trick will be to remember names and faces. :-)
Remember to talk to strangers.
Look for me in one of my costumes, Jenna - Bounty, Cally - Redemption,
Servalan - Project Avalon, Avon - Terminal or Horizon.
Remember, you are going to have fun!
See you there,
Mary O'Connor
zvs225@freenet.mb.ca
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:37:18 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] worst first lines
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.42-0306183718-965Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Soolin froze. 'I can't teleport down yet - I haven't restyled my hair this
week.'
It was a dark and stormy night. There were three men in a spaceship. One of
them turned to the others and said, 'Let me tell you a story. It was a dark and
stormy night..'
Avon looked over the clothes room, looking at all the comfortable pastel track
suits on offer. 'All right, Zen,' he said, 'you've had your little joke. Now
put them all back again before I redesign you into a drinks dispenser.'
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 08:03:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Decisions, decisions
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.42-0307080353-b49Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
On Fri 06 Mar, Iain Coleman wrote:
> Right, it's decision time!
>
> I have to figure out what I'm doing on the last weekend in March, and I
> think you lot can help. Really it's a question of how long to spend at
> deliverance: the convention fees are OK, but the hotel rate starts to
> mount up. At the moment, attending on Saturday and Sunday, staying in the
> hotel Saturday night, looks pretty affordable. If I were to stretch my
> budget a bit, what would be the best investment? Friday evening - Sunday
> evening or Saturday afternoon - Monday morning?
Well, you'll be in the overflow hotel whatever happens as the main one is full.
Thus, you can always consider the option of trying to find cheap B+B.
Me, I always stay as long as possible if I have friends at a convention. (and
if I don't have frineds at the start, then I usually do by the end) Friday
evening probably have a slight edge over Sunday evenings if you can only manage
one extra night, but this looks to be a busy con, so I don't expect there to be
much in it. (Poor cons wind down early - I don't expect Deliverance to be a
poor con)
>
> I've never been to a con before, so I'm in the dark a bit here. I'm
> imagining something like an astronomy conference, but with fewer lectures
> and better dress sense.
If you have web access, go and read the convention section of my page. I keep
various people's diaries of past conventions there.
Deliverance is trying to do a lot more than just guest talks (cons that have
nothing but guest talks tend to be low down on my list of favourites). Expect
debates on various topics, workshops on how to do various things,
entertaining/silly activities, fancy dress competition, lots of guests talking
about their time on the series and answering questions from the audience. Then
add in long conversations on almost every topic under the sun with fans you
happen to bump into.
I can recall long debates about Servalan held in hotel corridors, in depth
analyses of Avon held in conversations in hotel rooms, pillow fights with my
room mate (I *always* share a room with a friend if I can), hysterical sessions
composing filk songs over meals, happy chats putting faces to people I'd only
known via e-mail, zapping random people with my Liberator gun, discussing slash
fiction at two o'clock in the morning and still being awake for breakfast the
next day, discussing Zen's possible origins when almost voiceless, humping my
long-suffering concertina around while trying to find somewhere to indulge in
filing, dreaming up a silly skit for the fancy dress competition, etc. and
that's before one even takes the guests into consideration!
(I've been to a couple of excellent cons that had no guests at all)
The best things at cons are other fans. Wear your badge where it is easily
visible and read the names of everyone you pass. First con I ever went to, I
was queueing at the hotel registration and met two people whose names I knew
from this list. After that, it was plain sailing all the way.
If you see somebody dressed in Avon's outfit from 'Gold' then it's probably me.
Failing that, I'll be in a 'Redemption' sweatshirt.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 01:20:50 +1100
From: Fran Myers <algemy@ozemail.com.au>
To: B7 <blake7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] unwanted message
Message-ID: <350157C2.19DE@ozemail.com.au>
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I have a theory! Someone is trying to join but they are putting the
"request" in the address instead of the subject line.
blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se
Fran
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:45:51 +0000
From: Jill Beach <jillb@mcmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] (no subject)
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