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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 116
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
[B7L] Request for Feedback on new Zine
Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Re: [B7L] Fans and the media.
Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Re: [B7L] SFX
Re: [B7L] Request for Feedback on new Zine
Re: [B7L] British stereoptypes
[B7L] Faces Familiar -- A "Doctor Who" Drabble
RE: [B7L] British stereotypes
[B7L] Re: Sand
Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Re: [B7L] RE: fans and the media
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
Re: [B7L] Rumplestilskin
Re: [B7L] fans and the media
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
[B7L] data storage
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
Re: [B7L] data storage
Re: [B7L] data storage
Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Re: [B7L] data storage
Re: [B7L] RE: fans and the media
Re: [B7L] Rumplestilskin
Re [B7L]: Zine howlers
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
[B7L] [B7] Paul Darrow's real name is........
Re: [B7L] fans and the media
[B7L] Ewan's accents
Re: [B7L] video formats
Re: [B7L] data storage
Re: [B7L] [B7] Paul Darrow's real name is........
Re: [B7L] fans and the media
[B7L] Is this like Avon?
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:30:38 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
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>Nina wrote:
>
>> But dear Tramilla can't *possibly* be an INTx can she? She's altogether
too
>> *bouncey* for that! <grin>
>
>Tramila is ESFJ -- Vila without the indecision; or possibly
>Blake without the broodiness.
>
>I, however, am INTP, and I seem to be learning to bounce
>adequately; I don't know if INTJs can bounce at all, at least
>in public. Oh Kaaaaathryyyyyyyynnnnnn!!!
I'm so proud of you. :)
Tramila
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:34:01 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
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>>But dear Tramilla can't *possibly* be an INTx can she? She's altogether too
>>*bouncey* for that! <grin>
Julia wrote:
>Indeed. She is the one trying to lure innocent INTx types to the dark
>side.
Dark side??? You mean the light, airy, fluffy side, don't you? <giggle>
>The one interfering with attempts to save them, attempts to teach
>then the error of their ways. The one trying to prevent recourse to the
>final method used to ensure that an INTx does not <spit> *bounce*.
Oh MY!
>There is one certain method of ensuring that bouncing doesn't happen. It
>even works for other M-B types. Just ask Blake.
Ekkkk
Runs and hides behind Vila
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:41:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Sondra Sweigman <sweigman@world.std.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Request for Feedback on new Zine
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Mention has been made on this list of the new B7 zine
"Renaissance", written by Diane Holland and published by Judith Proctor,
which made its debut at Redemption last month. The author is a friend of
mine, and, like most fan writers, craves feedback on her work. Unlike
most of us, however (er, make that unlike *all* of us here), she's not
on-line and thus lacks access to comments that may appear on line about
her novel. Accordingly, if any of you who have read "Renaissance" would
like to express your thoughts about it to Diane, you can e-mail me, and
I'll pass your comments on to her. You can also post to the list, of
course, if you prefer (though in that case you might need to attach a
"spoiler" warning).
Thank you
Sondra
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:55:31 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
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> Someone mentioned how British people in American shows are always like
> Giles on Buffy. Mostly true, but it's even stranger than that. It was
> recently pointed out to me the ways TV shows make the audience
> sympathetic with someone they might otherwise dislike. One of the ways is
> to give the character a British accent. On ER, they had a guy try to rob
> a store only to have things get out of hand and people get killed. But
> you're supposed to care about him, so he had an English accent.
It was Ewan MacGregor, and he had his Scots accent!
--
"When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up shooting each
other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each other in the back, do
we?"
http://members.aol.com/vulcancafe
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:57:06 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "VJC" <csm80316@port.ac.uk>, "B7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fans and the media.
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> From: VJC <csm80316@port.ac.uk>
> Really, the fans that worry me are the day releasers you see in WH
> Smith perusing DWM,
Or they might just be tight gits like me who want to have a flick through
without buying one...
--
"When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up shooting each
other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each other in the back, do
we?"
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:00:25 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Iain Coleman" <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
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> From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
> I only saw a wee bit of the ER episode in question, but it was definitely
> the bold Mr MacGregor and I'm pretty sure he was using his natural Scots
> accent.
Yep, he was.
> I've travelled to the USA on three occasions. The first two times,
> everybody asked me "What part of Ireland are you from?"
My former fiancee's mother, upon first hearing me on the phone, thought I
was *Mexican*!
With an accent like Rab C Nesbitt, and she thought I was bloody Mexican...
I've had the Irish thing a couple of times too.
>. This was only
> mildly irritating. The third time was a couple of years after the release
> of "Braveheart". Guess what movie invariably cropped up within the first
> 20 seconds of any conversation? I suspect the Scottish character in ER
had
> the same experience, and this is what sent him over the edge.
Very likely.
> > This is quite relevant because I think US media use the different types
of
> > UK accent in different ways. It's worth looking out for, because it is
> > interesting. Men with 'cultivated' British accents are almost always
> > sinister, but men with working class English, or Celtic fringe accents
are
> > seen as rather charming, and a bit roguish. This is a generalisation of
> > course.
> >
>
> Of course, but in the case of the Celtic accents it's entirely true.
Well, cos some of us *are* charming rogues...
--
"When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up shooting each
other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each other in the back, do
we?"
http://members.aol.com/vulcancafe
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:55:59 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] SFX
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>So, have enough people now seen this that we can describe it to >those
who aren't going to get the chance to?
>Una
<grovel> Please, please, please give me due warning in the subject line,
so it doesn't spoil the surprise for me and any other Australians who
are prepared to wait until the issue in question turns up in their local
newsagency! (I suspect I shall be in a minority of one in that case, but
I find patience is a skill as well as virtue, and I could do with a bit
more practice.)
Regards
Joanne
(who would've been happy to discuss it if she'd managed to see it, if it
wasn't for the fact that Galaxy had sold out of the issue in question
when she went shopping for a parental birthday present last night.
Parental present 1, knowledge of topic nil.)
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:15:15 -0000
From: "v.westall" <v.westall@zen.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Request for Feedback on new Zine
Message-Id: <199903252219.WAA25098@mailhost.zen.co.uk>
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v.westall@zen.co.uk
>
> Mention has been made on this list of the new B7 zine
> "Renaissance", written by Diane Holland and published by Judith Proctor,
> which made its debut at Redemption last month. The author is a friend of
> mine, and, like most fan writers, craves feedback on her work. Unlike
> most of us, however (er, make that unlike *all* of us here), she's not
> on-line and thus lacks access to comments that may appear on line about
> her novel. Accordingly, if any of you who have read "Renaissance" would
> like to express your thoughts about it to Diane, you can e-mail me, and
> I'll pass your comments on to her. You can also post to the list, of
> course, if you prefer (though in that case you might need to attach a
> "spoiler" warning).
>
> Thank you
> Sondra
Re- the above-unlike Diane, I'm on both Lysator and Space City lists, but
in common with Diane. I would really appreciate comments about my artwork.
for her zine........
Only I can see if people are posting comments on the story, they may not
think to include any comments on the artwork and believe it or not,
feedback for me is not that forthcoming, but something I want to receive.
This is especially so in connection with Renaissance-as it gave me more
scope than any other zine for the illos and as it is also one of the most
marvellous B7 stories I have ever read, illoing it meant a lot to me and
therefore it is important for me to know what people think of it.
Thank you,
Val.
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:31:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: "U.M. Mccormack" <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] British stereoptypes
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Iain said:
<<It's a reflection of way the English class system is so strongly linked
to
accent and regional origin. I've been struck recently by the number of
people I've met who used to have strong English northern or working-class
accents until going to study at Oxford or Cambridge. I'm starting to
wonder if these institutions run mandatory night-classes for these
students.>>
Actually, it's subliminal messaging in the Latin grace.
Una 'Don't call me Scouse or I'll show *you* 'calm down'' McCormack
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:58:35 -0600
From: kmwilcox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (K. Michael Wilcox)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Faces Familiar -- A "Doctor Who" Drabble
Message-Id: <199903252255.XAA12980@samantha.lysator.liu.se>
Faces Familiar -- A Drabble
Set during the "Doctor Who" story "Timelash"
"Doctor," Peri asked, "how'd seeing three men talking tell you this was
Karfel?"
"It was Maylin Tekker."
"You knew him?"
"Not exactly...."
"Doctor? The Brigadier wants..."
The Doctor straightened his velvet waistcoat. "Yes, yes, Corporal...
Hawkins, is it? I remember your brother. Good man."
"Thank you."
"Could you take that equipment into my ship and help Jo install it?" He
went into the TARDIS, and the corporal followed.
"No!" the Doctor yelled. "Don't set that on..."
The TARDIS vanished.
The Doctor laughed. "And after we left Karfel, Hawkins swore that he never
got up to anything with any local women!"
-----
A drabble is a work of exactly 100 words (not counting title).
Drabble Tracker: 161 total; 120 "Doctor Who"
More Who drabbles are at http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~kmwilcox/Who
Directly B7 drabbles are at http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~kmwilcox/Blake
K. M. Wilcox
This is a "Doctor Who" drabble, but something about it just seemed
appropriate for this list. If you don't see what I mean, here's a clue:
P___ D_____.
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:04:53 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] British stereotypes
Message-ID: <01BE7713.FFB6B300@host62-172-58-237.btinternet.com>
Iain wrote:
>It's a reflection of way the English class system is so strongly linked to
>accent and regional origin. I've been struck recently by the number of
>people I've met who used to have strong English northern or working-class
>accents until going to study at Oxford or Cambridge. I'm starting to
>wonder if these institutions run mandatory night-classes for these
>students.
Err...guilty, I'm afraid. Though what I'm left with now is very much a
"wandering" accent and certainly not RP by any means. It wasn't
intentional, I assure you, but a gradual process over about 4 years. The
full Northern accent reappears instantly when I talk to my relatives and I
also sound more northern the louder I speak, oddly. And sometimes when I'm
drunk, but maybe that's just because I get louder when I get drunk....
Louise
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:49:51 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Sand
Message-ID: <19981030.222356.10054.6.Rilliara@juno.com>
>On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:34:45 -0800 Pat Patera
><pussnboots@geocities.com>
>writes:
>
>>A lot about Sand bugs me. Tarrant rolling over and playing puppy for
>>Servalan. He has too much common sense for that. Servalan letting him
>>go. She has too much pride for that.
>
I've always assumed that, just as the sand could preserve bodies and
effect machinery, it had some ability to effect hormones and upper
brain functions. Tarrant and Servalan obviously weren't in their right
minds and, even after the sand was removed, it still took them a while to
recover anything resembling their sanity.
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:23:24 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Message-ID: <19981030.222356.10054.8.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:55:31 -0000 "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
writes:
>> Someone mentioned how British people in American shows are always
>like
>> Giles on Buffy. Mostly true, but it's even stranger than that. It
>was
>> recently pointed out to me the ways TV shows make the audience
>> sympathetic with someone they might otherwise dislike. One of the
>ways is
>> to give the character a British accent. On ER, they had a guy try
>to rob
>> a store only to have things get out of hand and people get killed.
>But
>> you're supposed to care about him, so he had an English accent.
>
>It was Ewan MacGregor, and he had his Scots accent!
>
I know, I know. I'm sorry. Don't ask what got into me.
Looking for a hearing aid,
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:23:55 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Message-ID: <19981030.222356.10054.9.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:00:25 -0000 "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
writes:
>
>
>----------
>> From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
>> I only saw a wee bit of the ER episode in question, but it was
>definitely
>> the bold Mr MacGregor and I'm pretty sure he was using his natural
>Scots
>> accent.
>
>Yep, he was.
>
>> I've travelled to the USA on three occasions. The first two times,
>> everybody asked me "What part of Ireland are you from?"
>
>My former fiancee's mother, upon first hearing me on the phone,
>thought I
>was *Mexican*!
>
>With an accent like Rab C Nesbitt, and she thought I was bloody
>Mexican...
>
It could be worse. I knew a German who was asked if he was from Boston.
And a Chinese guy who also was mistaken for Mexican (and no, I'm not the
one who made the mistake). Maybe this was one of the questions they
asked immigrants at Ellis Island, "Are you incapable of telling one
accent from another, and is this a trait you are likely to pass onto your
children?"
Anyhow, I'm sorry. It had been a while since I'd seen the episode (I
didn't even remember that it was Ewan MacGregor and I've been trying to
keep track the projects he's working on). Whether I got it wrong when I
saw it or lost my brain after the fact, I couldn't tell you. All I know
is I should have known better and I will try extremely hard to avoid that
kind of goof up again.
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:46:52 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
Message-ID: <19981030.222356.10054.5.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:44:06 -0000 "Alison Page"
<alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Ellyne said -
>
>>On ER, they had a guy try to rob
>>a store only to have things get out of hand and people get killed.
>But
>>you're supposed to care about him, so he had an English accent.
>
>Crikey I'm suprised Iain hasn't picked up on this yet. It's Ewan
>MacGregor
>and he has a *Scottish* accent (doesn't he? Does he put a Geordie
>accent on
>or something in that episode? I'm confused now).
I'm so sorry! Don't ask what was wrong with me! This is just
humiliating. I mean, I can understand an American mixing up some accents
since there are a lot most of us don't hear accept when an American is
doing a bad imitation of them, but I was actually thinking I was a bit
better at it (actually, most Americans make mistakes with a lot of
American accents. Can I claim a widespread genetic defect?).
Getting her ears checked,
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:16:38 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: fans and the media
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"K. Michael Wilcox" wrote:
> The problem is that sports fans don't consider the object of their
> obsession to be unimportant.
Well, Blakes7 fans don't consider the object of their obsession to be
unimportant!
Heavens, we are dealing here with the fate of THE ENTIRE GALAXY!
COMPULSIVE MEGALOMANIACS!
HEINOUS TRAITORS!
INVADING SLIME ALIENS!
Not some stupid matter of school spirit.
Got *her* priorities straight, Pat P
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:51:59 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
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On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 07:45:33AM -0800, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
>
> Nina wrote:
>
> > But dear Tramilla can't *possibly* be an INTx can she? She's altogether too
> > *bouncey* for that! <grin>
>
> Tramila is ESFJ -- Vila without the indecision; or possibly
> Blake without the broodiness.
>
> I, however, am INTP, and I seem to be learning to bounce
> adequately; I don't know if INTJs can bounce at all, at least
> in public. Oh Kaaaaathryyyyyyyynnnnnn!!!
Huh? What? Oh, hello.
Well, I went "Whee!" in public, does that count?
I'm not going to bounce for no reason, though. *Particularly* when
people ask me to. In public. For the express purpose of seeing if I
can bounce. No way, ho-zay!
contrary Kathryn A.
(who will now probably never bounce in public, but do something else
instead, like skip.)
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:17:15 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
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Kathryn wrote:
> I'm not going to bounce for no reason, though. *Particularly* when
> people ask me to. In public. For the express purpose of seeing if I
> can bounce. No way, ho-zay!
>
> contrary Kathryn A.
> (who will now probably never bounce in public, but do something else
> instead, like skip.)
Oh, ho! Now we know -- the way to get Kathryn not to do
something is to try to get her to do it -- in public. <eg>
Mistral's evil twin smells a weakness :-)
--
"When you know an enemy's strengths, and can use them
against them, they become weaknesses."--Servalan
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:09:58 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990325180958.0083b970@earthlink.net>
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Kathryn wrote:
>Huh? What? Oh, hello.
>Well, I went "Whee!" in public, does that count?
>I'm not going to bounce for no reason, though. *Particularly* when
>people ask me to. In public. For the express purpose of seeing if I
>can bounce. No way, ho-zay!
>
>contrary Kathryn A.
>(who will now probably never bounce in public, but do something else
>instead, like skip.)
Skipping sounds fun. I can do that. :)
<skip> <skip> <skip>
Wheeeeeee!!!!
Tramila
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:33:32 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
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mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
>I don't know if INTJs can bounce at all, at least in public.
Whether we *can* is irrelevant. We most emphatically *don't*. In public,
anyway.
- Lisa
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 21:36:09 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rumplestilskin
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At 09:04 AM 3/25/99 -0800, Pat Patera wrote:
>Judith won't talk.
>We can either put her in Travis' dental chair
>or... we can guess!
The first one sounds far more entertaining. But I'm half a world away,
without teleportational capabilities, and anyhow my Drill is in the shop.
>What is Paul Darrow's real name?
I'm going to have to say..."Yuri Svenkjermonkjyerczyj". Pardon me, I mean
"Yuri *Valentine* Svenkjermonkjyerczyj". So -- what do I get if I win?
--Penny "Sincerely Hoping That Doesn't Mean Something Filthy In Bulgarian"
Dreadful
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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 21:48:49 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] fans and the media
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At 01:02 PM 3/25/99 +0200, Hellen wrote:
>Do you raise any objections to so called guy Yuri Svenkjermonkjyerczyj
>(whoever he was...)?!? ; )
Yeah, his name takes up so much more room on a jersey than "Orr". But I'll
forgive him that in light of his Academy Award (tm)-worthy acting skills
and profound literary genius.
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:06:38 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
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Tramilla wrote:
> Skipping sounds fun. I can do that. :)
>
> <skip> <skip> <skip>
> Wheeeeeee!!!!
Oh dear. Can the hallowed halls of lysator take all this energetic glee?
Nina
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:02:47 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] data storage
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Can anyone rememeber if there was a standard method of data storage in Blake's
7?
Did they use crystals, discs, cubes, or was nothing ever specified?
I need a character to carry a large amount of data when departing a scene in a
hurry and wondered what form he would carry it in.
Judith
PS. All I can remember is that Federation credits look remarkably like floppy
discs! (See he boxload in 'Gambit') I guess that might make sense if money was
all a form of computer credit.
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:20:16 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Tramilla wrote:
<Skipping sounds fun. I can do that. :)
<<skip> <skip> <skip>
<Wheeeeeee!!!!
Stop it, children! Dignity, please!!! (still limping - and glowering fit
to frighten Avon - from that thud)
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:41:22 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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From Judith:
Can anyone rememeber if there was a standard method of data storage in
Blake's 7
In Killer, they used data cubes that looked like mini-Oracs to me (but
didn't answer back).
At the beginning of Avalon, Avon was carrying some sort of rather large
calculator-type object on which he 'summarised the relevant data' which
always made me think of the Hitchhiker's Guide...
Can't think of any more of the top of my head.
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:07:24 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Judith Proctor wrote:
> Can anyone rememeber if there was a standard method of data storage in Blake's
> 7?
At the beginning of the episode 'Orac', on the Liberator,
Blake used something resembling credit cards for storing his logs,
which he inserted into slots on the table to playback for Avon.
In 'Shadow', however, Bek had audio data on a crystalline cylinder,
approximately 1" tall and 3/4" in diameter. Since he inserted this
cylinder in a playback unit of Largo's which was handy, I'd assumed
this was a fairly common form of storage; the Liberator wouldn't be
necessarily likely to have data systems matching those in general use
in the Federation.
Roughly the same system was used in 'Killer', only this time the
crystals that Bellfriar handed to Blake were 1" cubes instead of
cylinders. He called them 'data blocks'. Both the cylinders and the
cubes had a narrow (about 1/16-1/8") line around them, about 1/4"
down from the top -- conjectured reasons: to tell which end is up,
or possibly these lines were incised, for purposes of gripping the
crystals when inserting and removing them to/from a port.
I'd go for crystal bubble memory -- there ought to be
something on that in a good basic computer textbook.
Hope this helps!
Mistral the Trivial
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"With a brain like mine, who needs computers?"--Vila
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:36:52 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] British stereotypes
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>I'm so sorry! Don't ask what was wrong with me! This is just
>humiliating.
Sorry Ellyne. It was an interesting post about the way accents were used.
Look, I can't recognise the difference between a Canadian and a US accent so
what the heck am I complaining about.
Alison
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:27:03 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] data storage
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Judith wrote:
>Can anyone rememeber if there was a standard method of data storage in
Blake's
>7?
>
>Did they use crystals, discs, cubes, or was nothing ever specified?
You could always use the entry for 'Data Storage Media' in the
Sevencyclopaedia.
I wrote the bloody book so people wouldn't need to ask questions like
that...
Neil 'Why Did I Bother' Faulkner
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:55:32 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RE: fans and the media
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All this talk about sports fans makes me think about the blokes I work with.
Nearly all of them are sports fans - their knowledge of football approaches
anorak levels, and half the shift put their walkmans on when there's a big
match on. (During the World Cup, we were officially allowed to clock off
for two hours when England were playing. Management provided a telly. I
thought I had the entire shop floor to myself until I noticed someone else
running a machine right at the other end of the factory.)
At first I was really cagey about letting them know about my B7 interests,
for fear of being labelled a sad geek and all the rest, but they don't seem
to take that attitude at all. I'm definitely an oddball, what with the
skiffy interest, and my birdwatching, and reading National Geographic in the
canteen rather than the Sunday Sport, but that doesn't really seem to count
against me. In fact, the charge hand was recently pressuring me to put my
name forward to be interviewed by the company newsletter (they spotlight one
of the workers every issue) on the grounds that I'd be a bit more
interesting than most of the other lads.
I think it's being known as a person in your own right that matters.
Derogative labels tend to be applied to strangers, who are by nature unknown
and hence perhaps vaguely threatening simply for being unknown. Being
different needn't count against you so long as you don't go out of your way
to be different and alienate yourself from everyone else. It can even be an
asset - last year I managed to convince half the shift that I kept an ant as
a pet. He was called Arnold and he lived in a tea cup, and I would feed him
grains of sugar with a pair of tweezers... Amazing what some people will
fall for.
Neil
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:29:57 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rumplestilskin
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Pat wrote:
>Judith won't talk.
>We can either put her in Travis' dental chair
>or... we can guess!
>
>What is Paul Darrow's real name?
No promises, but I might know someone who can shed some light on the matter.
Neil
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:16:15 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L]: Zine howlers
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All this talk on worst openings has reminded me of something I did in
AltaZine, a collection of unfortunate bits of writing in various fan
stories. I include a selection below. Not that any of them are necessarily
from 'bad' stories - in fact, some are from the higher echelons of fanfic.
Typos are rare these days, thanks to spelling checkers, but the odd one
still gets through:
'I hear his son is his splitting image. I look forward to seeing him
when all this is over.' (Hellhound +ACM-8, Katrina Larkin/Susanne Tilley)
Despite the medic's dire predictions of eminent collapse and permanent
damage when Travis had left the medical centre prematurely... (The Best
Revenge, Alice Aldridge, Gambit +ACM-10)
Bad Science is rife in fanfic, but then it is in science fiction as a whole.
Here's a rarer example of Bad Geography:
That morning Avon had been buying riding clothes. They were going up to
Scotland, Jules and some others and him, to do some fox hunting along the
Yorkshire border. (Hellhound +ACM-1, Katrina Snyder/Susanne McGhin)
But the best howlers are simply those sentences with more than one meaning.
You can find unintentional references to:
- limb transplants:
Vila lurched in from a second corridor. His fist was covered in blood.
Fortunately it wasn't his own. (Footnote To History, Helen Pitt, Horizon
+ACM-6).
- labour-saving gadgets:
Dafydd Kildragon sat in the captain's chair, a memory pad propped up in
front of him, writing. (Hellhound +ACM-8).
- and where to park your spaceship:
He, Vila and Orac jnr had been escorted from the Reina as soon as she
docked by a cold-eyed lieutenant leading an armed patrol. (Queen's Gambit,
Alice Aldridge, Gambit +ACM-11)
- not to mention decapitation:
Dayna and Tarrant argued over Soolin's head as Vila sat miserably on a
bench in the corner. (Dissolution, Vickie Mcmanus, Gambit +ACM-12)
+ADw-'It's mine, gimme,' whined Dayna. 'Shan't,' snapped Tarrant peevishly.+AD4-
But my all-time favourite:
Soolin whipped round, firing from the hip, and hit the Space Rat who had
just emerged from the camouflaged entrance dead in the centre of his
slanting forehead. (Blake's 7: Scorpio Attack, Trevor Hoyle, BBC
Publications 1981)
No doubt there are many more just waiting to be discovered.
Neil
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:29:42 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Learning to bounce
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On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 06:17:15PM -0800, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
>
> Kathryn wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to bounce for no reason, though. *Particularly* when
> > people ask me to. In public. For the express purpose of seeing if I
> > can bounce. No way, ho-zay!
> >
> > contrary Kathryn A.
> > (who will now probably never bounce in public, but do something else
> > instead, like skip.)
>
> Oh, ho! Now we know -- the way to get Kathryn not to do
> something is to try to get her to do it -- in public. <eg>
"Don't try and manipulate *me*, Blake."
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:55:24 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 06:17:15PM -0800, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> >
> > Oh, ho! Now we know -- the way to get Kathryn not to do
> > something is to try to get her to do it -- in public. <eg>
>
> "Don't try and manipulate *me*, Blake."
"Movement is life." <bounce> <bounce> <---------leap---------->
Mistral
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"And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:05:48 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] [B7] Paul Darrow's real name is........
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When Paul Darrow was going through customs for one of the American B7
conventions a few years back, Laurie Cohen-Fenster got a peek at the passport
he showed the customs clerk.
It read Paul Birkby.
Leah
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:25:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] fans and the media
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Alison said:
>I've got to disagree that football is an exclusive interest.
Oh, I quite agree - I think that's what I meant when I said that it's not
just a general interest, but even *expected* that you'll know about
football.
>England were
>played Romania in the world cup on a weekday afternoon. I had to go and
>pick the kids up from school in the last 30 minutes of the game.
God, I would have made them make their own way back!
Una
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:21:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Ewan's accents
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> Ellyne said -
>
> >On ER, they had a guy try to rob
> >a store only to have things get out of hand and people get killed. But
> >you're supposed to care about him, so he had an English accent.
Alison said:
> It's Ewan MacGregor and he has a *Scottish* accent (doesn't he? Does he
>put a Geordie accent on or something in that episode? I'm confused now).
And Iain responded:
>I only saw a wee bit of the ER episode in question, but it was definitely
>the bold Mr MacGregor and I'm pretty sure he was using his natural Scots
>accent.
Give the man his due - even tho' he was part of that travesty 'Shallo
Grave', his voices are excellent. I love the way in the Star Wars trailers
he *sounds* like Alec Guinness. Brilliant.
Err.. no B7 content. Sorry.
Una
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:07:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] video formats
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Nina said:
>>There are some lovely bits on the tapes, including a Ceefax picture of
>>Paul Darrow - I guess I could get this on the web if I get my hands on a
>>digital camera.
>
>That would be great!
I shall try my best. My last attempt to do something similar (i.e. put up
some pictures of the New Year's Day BBC Choice B7 event) was stopped
before it even started by the VCR munching the precise bit of tape that it
was on. I'm going to wait till we get our new VCR before putting my
venerable cassettes anywhere near one!
Una
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:44:59 +0100
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] data storage
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I remember, when watching 'The Way Back', Maja bringing Varon Dr.
Havant's records, which looked like small CD-ROMs. While that form of data
storage looked quite nice, it was not named. Also not named were the small
tapes Ven Glynd showed in 'Voice from the Past'.
Overall, while it appears that there was no one standard method of
data storage in B7, the crystaline method appeared to be the most
widespread, as pointed out by Mistral.
Murray
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:39:28 EST
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
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Leah wrote about Paul's passport:
<< It read Paul Birkby. >>
Thank you, thank you, Leah!
<bounce, bounce, bounce>
Another mystery resolved. Darrow does sound much more refined.
Gail
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:05:28 EST
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
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Una said:
<< Yet many TVSF fandoms have a high female component (B7, Star Trek - I
think). This has to be significant.
These are all societal explanations, of course. We haven't even touched on
the individual psychological reasons of why it is we do what we do!! >>
I think many women feel cutoff from the world, rather isolated. Perhaps this
comes from all of those years when most women stayed at home with the children
and were basically cut off from other adults. Today, although it is
commonplace to find women in the workplace, this feeling of isolation
continues. Although there are more opportunities to interact with others at
work, often the competition and jealousy and politics of the job get in the
way of making true contact.
Then comes along sci fi conventions and fan clubs and discussions lists like
Lysator. All of a sudden there is a large group of people sharing a common
interest that like nothing better to talk about these interests, parallel
topics (or sometimes skewed topics) relating to these interests, even on
occasion personal concerns..... and CONTACT is made. Friendships are
established. Loneliness is held at bay. Even silliness is allowed. And at
the same time, all of the many things that the woman must juggle are still
accomplished (or at least the major stuff gets done :) )
No wonder women enjoy fandom.
Gail
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:43:33 +1100 (EST)
From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list)
Subject: [B7L] Is this like Avon?
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I was reading this the other day, and the following leapt out at me...
"No wish to reform the world inspired him, not the smallest desire to
convert others to his own way of thinking. He accepted, out of a vast
and perhaps idle tolerance, the rules laid down by a civilized
society, and, when he transgressed these, accepted also, and with
unshaken good-humour, society's revenge on him. Neither the zeal of a
reformer, nor the rancour of one bitterly punished for the sins of his
youth, awoke a spark of resentment in his breast. He did not defy
convention: when it did not interfere with whatever line of conduct he
meant to pursue he conformed to it; and when it did he ignored it,
affably conceding to his critics their right to censure him, if they
felt so inclined, and caring neither for their praise or their blame."
-- description of Miles Caverleigh,
from "Black Sheep" by Georgette Heyer
Of course, he's not quite acidic, bitter and sarcastic enough to be
like Avon, but he struck me as very Avon-like when you get
descriptions like this.
And talking of Meyers-Brigs, it is rather amusing to read a
historical romance where the two characters involved are probable
INTJ's surrounded by a lot of ESFP's. No wonder they fell in love;
they were of like mind. (-8 (Yes, "Black Sheep" is one of my
favourite Georgette Heyers.)
Kathryn A.
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