From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #119 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume99/119 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 119 Today's Topics: [B7L] After Star One RE: [B7L] Illustration for Flat Robin 35 [B7L] [B7L]After Star One [B7L] Upcoming Fanzines at Ashton Press Re: [B7L]After Star One [B7L] B7L re fans and the media Re: [B7L] After Star One Re: [B7L] B7L re fans and the media Re: [B7L] After Star One [B7L] Kubrick and B7 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:36:40 -0700 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] After Star One Message-ID: <19990327.003646.12542.3.Rilliara@juno.com> Before Star One, there seemed to be a solid, widespread rebel movement. Afterwards, nothing (not counting the people Anna conned into helping her own bid for power). Why was this? A lot of Federation planets seemed to have broken away after the war, but there was never much talk of them helping the others still under Federation rule. The only idea I've been able to come up with is that support for Blake was about a mile wide and an inch deep. The Federation seems to have been formed after some big wars they mention, and its initial excuse for existance probably was to protect humanity. It may have even been a valid claim, like lords in the Dark Ages who could be a real pain but were a lot better than the viking raiders they were hopefully protecting their people from. As the Federation became more oppresive and powerful, the dangers it had existed to protect its people from were seen as diminishing. Support for reform and outright revolt grew. Then along came the Galactic War and the near extiction of the human race. Suddenly, all these people (who didn't have a big tradition of rights of the common man to begin with) began rethinking the profit/loss relationship of overthrowing the Federation. Also, Servalan had seized power and overthrown the government people were used to, replacing it with one where (I'm guessing) dictatorship was more obvious. She destroyed the traditional seperation between the military and the civil government, either destroyed the council or openly replaced it with her own people, destroying any illusion of power or real authority it may have had. After that, it would have been easy for those seeking to get back into power (or seize it, as Anna attempted) to use Servalan as both a focus for discontent and as a scapegoat for earlier wrongs. Any thoughts? Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:34:44 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: RE: [B7L] Illustration for Flat Robin 35 Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F10FB89@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain The final proof that one picture says more than a thousand words. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:57:28 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Message-ID: <01be7aac$ddee5420$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain said: >In England I do at least try to make an effort to slow down and lengthen >my vowels. It is my contention that people from different countries have >different speeds in their linguistic processors. Yes!! When I first left home for University (and I only moved across the Pennines) the thing that struck me most about the way people from other parts of the country spoke was in fact the speed, not the accent. With some friends from the South I could find myself bouncing up and down with impatience and trying not to finish their sentences for them. I have made no conscious effort to change my accent, though I know it has changed. But I have deliberately tried to slow my speech down. Not because I think it sounds *better* but because it gives me more time to think what I am going to say! Julie Horner Software Engineer Lincoln Software Tel: +44 (0) 1625 616722 Fax: +44(0) 1625 616780 E-mail: julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com Web: http://www.lincolnsoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:59:38 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L]After Star One Message-ID: <01be7aad$2b68c550$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne said: >Before Star One, there seemed to be a solid, widespread rebel movement. >Afterwards, nothing (not counting the people Anna conned into helping her >own bid for power). Why was this? Didn't Pylene 50 have a lot to do with it? Julie Horner Software Engineer Lincoln Software Tel: +44 (0) 1625 616722 Fax: +44(0) 1625 616780 E-mail: julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com Web: http://www.lincolnsoftware.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:19:53 EST From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Upcoming Fanzines at Ashton Press Message-ID: <ae19e6a2.3700cf79@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey ho, everybody. For those who like the wacky humor at the Ashton Press site, we've got a new toon for you in honor of "Tax Days." We've also got links to some Chronicles reports and the new Unofficial Richard Ridings Fan Site. Don't forget if you're interested in photos from Chronicles to check out our own photo pages. I'm going to be placing the reprint orders soon now and the deadline for getting your order in for this group is April 15th! This is also a last call for submissions to the following zines: Revelations #2 (Highlander adult, straight or slash, any pairing(s)) and Southern Comfort 10.5 and 11.5 (looks like a double issue... Blakes 7 adult, straight or slash, any pairings)). Both zines are filling up fast (well, Southern Comfort has already spilled over into a second issue!) but my readers are greedy and would love to see more, more, more! I'm working on doing the edits and pulling those particular zines together right now but will accept submissions for the next few weeks. This is also a heads-up that I'd like to pull So SPeaks the Hero #2 together soon now, as well. If you're thinking of submitting, please send something in or get in touch with me! Submission guidelines are linked directly from the Ashton Press main site. http://members.aol.com/ashton7/ashton.htm To go directly to the Chronicles pictures: http://members.aol.com/pelkiepet/chronicles.htm (4 Horsemen and general con pics) http://members.aol.com/pelkiepet/page2.htm (Stan, Val and Marcus) http://members.aol.com/pelkiepet/page3.htm (Peter as well as some just for fun pics) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:32:09 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L]After Star One Message-ID: <ece6c074.3700d259@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-03-30 08:05:00 EST, Julie wrote: << >Before Star One, there seemed to be a solid, widespread rebel movement. >Afterwards, nothing (not counting the people Anna conned into helping her >own bid for power). Why was this? Didn't Pylene 50 have a lot to do with it? >> It did in the fourth season, but that doesn't explain the third. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:18:17 +0100 From: "Debra Collard" <Debra@whisson1.freeserve.co.uk> To: "B7L" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] B7L re fans and the media Message-ID: <000201be7ab9$1e090a80$8316883e@co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >However, it may be precisely because women tend to be more social that they're more likely to organize get togethers with large groups that share a common interest with them. I have also noticed that when my 'Sci fi' female friend and I start talking about sci fi in a mixed group men will often join in and admit that they are fans. This often comes as a surprise to other males in the group even those they see on a regular basis-so what exactly is it then that men talk about when they are on their own? Debra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:14:39 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] After Star One Message-ID: <007201be7ac0$f5713860$4d438cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne wrote: >Before Star One, there seemed to be a solid, widespread rebel movement. >Afterwards, nothing (not counting the people Anna conned into helping her >own bid for power). Why was this? How do you rebel against the Federation when there is no Federation to rebel against? The chaos implicitly wrought by the destruction of Star One would have given many planets more than enough to cope with, and the ensuing balkanisation of the former Federation would lead to most worlds looking inward to their own concerns. Were the people Anna 'conned' really rebels in the pre-War sense of the term, or were they just Terran parochialists out to claim Earth and its remaining territories for themselves? I'm personanally not so sure that the pre-War rebel movement was all that solid, even if it was widespread. A lot of people had cause to resist the Federation, but only the Federation's existence might have stood to unite them - a common cause engendered by a common enemy. Remove the common enemy and the cause no longer remains common. This is in part reflected in the real world, since the radical spirit of the 80s seems to have disappeared, coincidentally or otherwise, with the collapse of Communism and the perceived demise of the Bomb. What was once a mutually supportive protest movement (CND, animal rights, radical feminism etc) seems to have splintered into tunnel-visioned single-issue campaign groups that have lost touch with the 'big picture' that once united them. Come back, Cold War, all is forgiven? Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:59:27 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] B7L re fans and the media Message-ID: <007101be7ac0$f48f63e0$4d438cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Debra wrote: >so what exactly is it then that men talk about >when they are on their own? Top 5 subjects for discussion in the works canteen: 1) Football 2) Golf 3) Cars 4) The ineptitude of one's fellow workers 5) All Management Are Bastards Nope, sex doesn't make it. Neil Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:46:57 -0700 From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] After Star One Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990330104657.007b21d0@mail.geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Neil sez: >...the radical spirit of the >80s seems to have disappeared, coincidentally or otherwise, with the >collapse of Communism and the perceived demise of the Bomb. What was once a >mutually supportive protest movement (CND, animal rights, radical feminism >etc) seems to have splintered into tunnel-visioned single-issue campaign >groups that have lost touch with the 'big picture' that once united them. >Come back, Cold War, all is forgiven? And here I always blamed the internet. Tune In, Log On, Drop Out. Well, all the Hippies mourned the theoretical end of the hypothetical Vietnam War as the end of the radical spirit of the sixties, but eventually something else came along. Humanity seems to need about ten years to forget how stupid it looked, then it's back on the bandwagon. On Topic: Ahem. No doubt disaffected youth all over the galaxy had posters of Blake a la Che on their walls long after his demise. --Penny "Rainbow Aquarius Lovechild" Dreadful ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:18:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk> To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Kubrick and B7 Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.96.990331111444.13815D-100000@umm-pc.jims.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jacqueline and I have been talking about whether or not it's the story or the idea that counts in a text (be it fanfic, novels, films, whatever). I read a story in the paper this week by Barry Norman (UK film critic of great regard) reminiscing about Stanley Kubrick. Kubrick had rung Norman up to thank him for a review of 'Full Metal Jacket', and Norman asked what Kubrick was working on next. 'I don't know,' said Kubrick. 'What do you suggest?' Norman was flabbergasted - 'Surely you must have plenty of ideas!!' Kubrick was horrified: 'You don't make a film from ideas! You make it from a story!' What I found particularly annoying about this story is that Barry didn't take the chance to say, 'Well, there's this brilliant 1970s BBC drama with a space ship and some outlaws...'! I wonder what it would have been like... Una -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #119 **************************************