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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 126
Today's Topics:
OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
Re: [B7L] OT: The Prisoner (was Worst Openings)
Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
Re: [B7L] Worst Openings
Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
Re: [B7L] The Syndeton Experiment/Radio Times
[B7L]OT:Last Train
Re: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
Re: [B7L] Worst Openings
Re: OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
Re: [B7L] OT: The Prisoner (was Worst Openings)
[B7L] Avon the Sunbeam?
OT: Re: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
Re: OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
[B7L] Far, far too serious now...(was BACs and worst openings)
Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
RE: OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
[Fwd: [B7L] Avon the Sunbeam?]
Re: Post-"Blake" (was Re: [B7L] Greetings fellow Blakes 7 fans...)
[B7L] Post-"Blake"
Re: [B7L] Post-"Blake"
[B7L] Re: London fans interested in evening out
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:52:15 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
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On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 12:39:41PM -0700, Pat Patera wrote:
> Stephen Date wrote:
> > I think "poking gentle fun" rather than "denigrating" is the mot
> > juste. The majority of Born Again Christians of my acquaintance ...
>
> ... have had no sense of humor. That's one reason why those of us not in
> that camp find them so obnoxious. Yes, I can wax as rabid about Blakes7
> as they can about Jesus. But I can laf at myself and my obsession.
> In this age of Political Correctness, it is becoming impossible to say
> anything at all.
>
> I do not mean this rant to start a flame war; it is honestly how I feel.
>
> The bottom line is: that sickly sweet beginning was absolutely necessary
> to set the stage for icy Soolin to come in on cue with her
> beautifuly-delivered (punnish) sarcastic hiss.
>
> And frankly, that portrayal did not come across as a mangling, but very
> accurately reflected the way BAC's appear to those of us who are not of
> that persuasion.
I guess I felt that I simply couldn't let that "Worst Opening" go by
with zero comment, even though I know what you mean. I'm not a BAC,
just a C, and from my side of the fence, BACs are just a different
culture, however much they make me cringe. (thinks...) Perhaps I
feel *more* defensive about portrayals of BACs because they *do* make
me cringe, and they *heartily* *EMBARRASS* me, because I am a
Christian, and I fear that everyone will box me as a BAC because they
think all Christians are like that. So I had to say something.
Defensively.
As for Political Correctness, from my corner it feels like (at least
in Australia) that all religions are to be respected *except*
Christianity. Something like "Piss Christ" is "Art", however
blasphemous it is, but teaching Christmas carols to Jews is enough to
make parents sue the school. What a double standard!
And like Pat, I'm just being honest here.
> In this age of Political Correctness, it is becoming impossible to say
> anything at all.
Had to repeat that, cuz I couldn't agree more.
I can't remember the number of times when I have simply honestly
*stated* what I believe, and been accused of "forcing" my beliefs on
people, of being intolerant, and so on and so forth. Or, as someone
once said to me, the modern attitude is that "you can believe anything
you like, so long as you don't believe it's true."
I know that there is at least one person on this List who honestly
believes that intelligence and religion are mutually exclusive.
He, at least, believed something, and believed it to be true.
Then again, with all these INTJs here, we're a pretty arrogant bunch,
aren't we? <grin>
Kathryn A.
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:09:54 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
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On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 11:16:24PM -0700, Joanne MacQueen wrote:
>
> I find it difficult to believe that anyone, let alone Jesus, would
> want Avon for a sunbeam. He's a stormcloud on the horizon, and don't we
> prefer him that way? Yes? No?
I find it much easier to concieve of Avon converting to an
old-fashioned fire-and-brimstone grim version of Christianity than the
"Yes Jesus loves me" sunbeam variety. He could very well be a
Christian and still be the stormcloud that we know and love. <grin>
I think that Avon would find it very hard to believe that God loved
him, and that that part of his nature would take a long time to
change. God-the-Creator of order and beauty and systems would have
more appeal to him IMHO. And the Biblical account of the Fall at
least explains something that Avon already knows: that people are
corrupt and can't be trusted. Of course, the paradox of Christianity
is that it is both ways - humanity is both corrupt and divine, and
will be until the last trumpet.
A thought, though: if Avon did convert to a religion, which one is the
most likely to appeal to him?
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:23:06 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: egomoo@mail.geocities.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
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In a message dated 4/7/99 3:34:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
egomoo@mail.geocities.com writes:
<<I knew I'd find my true calling eventually. Travis a la Guernica! Travis on
the head of a pin! Molded out of butter! Welded out of tin! O where shall I
begin? >>
Just don't start with Picasso. Laura Virgil cornered the market on B7
characters-as-drawn-by-Pablo-Picasso in a hilarious series of illos in
SOUTHERN SEVEN.
Leah
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:41:13 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
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On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> A thought, though: if Avon did convert to a religion, which one is the
> most likely to appeal to him?
>
It's strictly no contest: Avon would _have_ to be a Jesuit.
Iain
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:27:39 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: The Prisoner (was Worst Openings)
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Susan M. said:
>My favorite ep. of the series is Checkmate (largely because Peter
>Wyngarde plays Number 2).
Susan, you are so right. Wyngarde is a *star*.
Una
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Date: 08 Apr 1999 15:06:21 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
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Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes:
> A thought, though: if Avon did convert to a religion, which one is the
> most likely to appeal to him?
Zen Buddhism. No supernatural elements at all, strictly mental discipline.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
"Just about anything can be done if you are demented enough."
-- Christopher C. Petro, scary.devil.monastery
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:29:36 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Worst Openings
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In a message dated 4/6/99 2:24:48 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
calle@lysator.liu.se writes:
> Avon looked at the headless corpse and multitude of bloodstains on the
> wall beyond it. He sighed.
> "I told Blake not to buy a curling iron that was so like a handgun," he
said.
<giggle> First SoG, now this...time to put your therapist on danger money,
Calle - congratulations!
<smile>
Nina
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:29:32 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
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Pat P wrote:
> A long thread raged before on whether online B7 content was killing
> fanzines. I doubt it. Firstly, not all fans are even online. Secondly,
> few people can bear to read entire 2 - 10,000 word stories online.
Plus, it's difficult to read in bed...<eg>
> re: sniffing the baking bread. Certainly, the web can be used to publish
> a few tempting paragraphs of a zine to entice fans to want to read the
> whole thing.
I've found this aspect to be quite helpful. I find that I'm more likely to
order something if I've liked a sample I've found online.
Overall, I like having both available! Guess I'm just greedy. <grin>
Nina
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:29:30 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Syndeton Experiment/Radio Times
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In a message dated 4/6/99 9:53:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
pussnboots@geocities.com writes:
> ohmawgauwd, imagine that! the entire Scorpio crew gone totally
> telepathic. they'll *all* be dead in a week!
<grin> Didn't the Hitchhiker's Guide describe telepathy as a dreaded social
disease?
Nina
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:06:53 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]OT:Last Train
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Sorry to be off-topic but this subject has already been
raised on this list.
Thanks to whoever it was who first mentioned this new series (Una?)
Pretty good IMO.
What do others think?
Julie Horner
Software Engineer
Lincoln Software
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Web: http://www.lincolnsoftware.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:57:29 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
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Kathryn put up a hearty defence, which was fun to read, but I have to pull
up at this comment:
> Something like "Piss Christ" is "Art", however
> blasphemous it is
This is the second time 'piss christ' has been mentioned on this list. Brent
mentioned it about a year ago in the same vein, and I wished afterwards I'd
said something.
Piss christ is an example of conceptual art - in other words it represents
an idea rather than primarily expressing an emotion. I personally don't much
like conceptual art, I think it's too cold and clever-clever.
But anyway it seems to me that the concept expressed by 'piss christ' is
quite a good one. The idea it expresses is that everything in the universe
is holy, not just the airy fairy bits, and that you can't artificially split
off aspects of the human body and label them as 'dirty' or 'evil'. In fact
I'm not a christian, but surely the idea that the divine can be literally
immersed in the dirt of everyday living, and yet still be divine was the
original point of christianity, though I think it got a bit obscured later
on.
Oh.. this isn't some kind of elaborate joke on my part. That really is what
piss christ is all about IMO, and I think it's expressing quite a profound
religious thought whether you agree with it or not.
Sorry this is off-topic and I won't put any more on this list about it, I
Just Couldn't Resist.
Alison
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:22:43 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
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At 08:23 AM 4/8/99 EDT, Bizarro7@aol.com wrote:
>Just don't start with Picasso. Laura Virgil cornered the market on B7
>characters-as-drawn-by-Pablo-Picasso in a hilarious series of illos in
>SOUTHERN SEVEN.
Very well then, I'll start with the life-sized raw-meat-and-spackle
facsimiles. No-one's gonna call *me* derivative.
--Penny "Piss Travis" Dreadful
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:06:54 -0700
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Worst Openings
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"Ellynne G." wrote:
> When I was a missionary, I knew elders (that's the guy missionaries,
> normally age 19 to 21. The women are sisters, in case anyone wanted to
> know, and _infinitly_ more mature)
erm... in true NT factual terminology specific style:
if the women are more mature, why aren't *they* called the elders?
and technically, how can a 19 year old teenager be an elder?
then what are 80 year olds called? ancients? walking dead?
if the gal teens are called sisters, shouldn't the guy teens be called
brothers?
This dichotomy looks sexist to me: rather like calling men men while
calling women girls.
Even Dayna did that: calling herself "the girl who killed Bayban"
Dayna was at least 18, so she was surely an adult, a woman.
(note: that was the required relevant B7 reference)
Precise, Persnickity Pat P
P.S. (and what do the teen gals do for 3 years while the guys are out
ringing the doorbells of hapless folks during dinner? ah ha! They are
sensibly pursuing their advanced degrees at University. very good! The
guys can then go on to become experienced door to door vacumn cleaner
salesmen.)
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:18:44 -0700
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> I know that there is at least one person on this List who honestly
> believes that intelligence and religion are mutually exclusive.
That would be Kerr Avon, yes?
<chortle>
PS I agree with Cally that Zen would appeal to Avon. Nothing Christian;
too woo-woo for Avon.
It's not that INTJs are arrogant so much as they feel the facts speak
for themselves. Because so many of this type are in "hard line" areas
such as science and technology, they may find it frustrating to deal
with the unprovable supernatural aspects of organized religions. And so
rather than put forth so much effort, they simply dismiss the whole
subject.
It's true that NTs are into "unreal" science fiction. Yet while we read
and "play" in these universes, like Blakes7, and discuss the canon as
though it were "real" I doubt that any of us truly believe that the show
is a news documentary of something that actually happened / will happen
or the characters are real people. We would consider anyone who actually
believed that to be a silly goose. Then they, in turn, would think that
we were closed-minded and arrogant.
Pragmatic Pat P
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:01:49 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
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>Very well then, I'll start with the life-sized raw-meat-and-spackle
>facsimiles. No-one's gonna call *me* derivative.
>
>--Penny "Piss Travis" Dreadful
Travis as an absurdly massive stained glass window, with Vila and
Avon smirking in front in grey suits
Alison
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:12:12 +0100
From: "Angua" <werewolvz@bigfoot.com>
To: <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: The Prisoner (was Worst Openings)
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The Prisoner is also one of my favourite series - my fav. episode would have
to be Hammer into Anvil - and The Girl who was Death for all the wonderfully
overdone cloak and dagger antics :-)
As an aside, I recently bought the digitally remastered Prisoner videos, the
difference in clarity and colour depth is well worth the purchase price
(comparing them to the previous boxed set).
Angua
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:08:06 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon the Sunbeam?
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In message <19990408220954.C7845@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
>A thought, though: if Avon did convert to a religion, which one is the
>most likely to appeal to him?
Well, Leah did put forward a fairly convincing case a couple of years
ago for him being (not converting to being) Jewish.
As for Christianity - no, I can't see Avon being anyone's sunbeam.
Jesuit, maybe...
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Julia Jones
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:50:58 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: OT: Re: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
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Sorry I'm posting this here, but I can't post to the Spin List from
the same account that I read my B7 list mail from. Hopefully this
will be remedied in about a month. Circumstances beyond my control.
On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 04:57:29PM +0100, Alison Page wrote:
> Kathryn put up a hearty defence, which was fun to read, but I have to pull
> up at this comment:
>
> > Something like "Piss Christ" is "Art", however
> > blasphemous it is
>
> Piss christ is an example of conceptual art - in other words it represents
> an idea rather than primarily expressing an emotion. I personally don't much
> like conceptual art, I think it's too cold and clever-clever.
>
> But anyway it seems to me that the concept expressed by 'piss christ' is
> quite a good one. The idea it expresses is that everything in the universe
> is holy, not just the airy fairy bits, and that you can't artificially split
> off aspects of the human body and label them as 'dirty' or 'evil'.
(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
That is a wierd interpretation. Yes, the statement is true, but it
calls one to say, "I am going to totally ignore the usual symbolism of
urine, and declare that it doesn't mean what it usually means." When
you "piss on" something, in the *non* literal sense, you are treating
it with utter contempt. Even the title, "Piss Christ" sounds like
a yell of hatred - "Piss Christ!"
If that is the opposite of that the artist intended, well, he just
failed as an artist.
> In fact
> I'm not a christian, but surely the idea that the divine can be literally
> immersed in the dirt of everyday living, and yet still be divine was the
> original point of christianity, though I think it got a bit obscured later
> on.
Oh yeah fair enough.
> Oh.. this isn't some kind of elaborate joke on my part. That really is what
> piss christ is all about IMO, and I think it's expressing quite a profound
> religious thought whether you agree with it or not.
The thought is indeed profound, but the message, IMO, got lost in the
execution.
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:08:03 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
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On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 09:18:44AM -0700, Pat Patera wrote:
> Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> > I know that there is at least one person on this List who honestly
> > believes that intelligence and religion are mutually exclusive.
>
> That would be Kerr Avon, yes?
> <chortle>
<smile> Yes, but he isn't on this List.
> PS I agree with Cally that Zen would appeal to Avon. Nothing Christian;
> too woo-woo for Avon.
I had to read this twice before I got the pun.
Personally, however, I find that Zen Bhuddism is more "woo-woo" than
Christianity. I'd rather believe that the universe isn't an illusion,
thank you very much...
> It's not that INTJs are arrogant so much as they feel the facts speak
> for themselves. Because so many of this type are in "hard line" areas
> such as science and technology, they may find it frustrating to deal
> with the unprovable supernatural aspects of organized religions. And so
> rather than put forth so much effort, they simply dismiss the whole
> subject.
As an INTJ who *is* a Christian, I do feel that the facts speak for
themselves, and that Christianity is self-evident, and that anyone who
doesn't believe it doesn't have all the facts. <grin>
Materialism doesn't adequately explain the universe, it only explains
a sub-set of it. So I reject a world-view without the supernatural as
too narrow.
(On the other hand, I also believe that some of the "facts" of which I
speak are the unprovable supernatural experiences which the
aforementioned INTJs don't want to bother with. Christianity isn't
just a thought-only thing.)
> It's true that NTs are into "unreal" science fiction. Yet while we read
> and "play" in these universes, like Blakes7, and discuss the canon as
> though it were "real" I doubt that any of us truly believe that the show
> is a news documentary of something that actually happened / will happen
> or the characters are real people.
Of course not. It is an imaginary subcreation.
> We would consider anyone who actually
> believed that to be a silly goose. Then they, in turn, would think that
> we were closed-minded and arrogant.
Yes, well I refrain from making remarks on the Tomorrow People List
when people there complain that they haven't broken out yet. I'm torn
between "of course nobody could possibly take it seriously, they're
joking" and "why should I waste my time and be rude pointing out
something they won't listen to?".
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:11:09 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
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On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 01:41:13PM +0100, Iain Coleman wrote:
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> > A thought, though: if Avon did convert to a religion, which one is the
> > most likely to appeal to him?
>
> It's strictly no contest: Avon would _have_ to be a Jesuit.
What a fascinating idea.
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:49:55 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Far, far too serious now...(was BACs and worst openings)
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Kathryn said:
>Yes, well I refrain from making remarks on the Tomorrow People List
>when people there complain that they haven't broken out yet.
<boggle-eyed> Really?!?!? At this point, I think we may all say " God help the lot of them!"
<whew> TGIF. I'll need the weekend to forget that particular revelation.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:55:33 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
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Kathryn wrote:
>I find it much easier to concieve of Avon converting to an
>old-fashioned fire-and-brimstone grim version of Christianity than the
>"Yes Jesus loves me" sunbeam variety.
<smile> I thought of the Spanish Inquisition at this point, but Cardinal Fang and his Pythonic cronies got in the way.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:06:31 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
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>>Very well then, I'll start with the life-sized raw-meat-and-spackle
>>facsimiles. No-one's gonna call *me* derivative.
>>--Penny "Piss Travis" Dreadful
<grimace> Sounds more like Penny "Damien Hirst" Dreadful. Please <grovel> think again.
Looking for somewhere to hide
Joanne
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:53:59 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
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On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Alison Page wrote:
> Travis as an absurdly massive stained glass window, with Vila and
> Avon smirking in front in grey suits
This sounds _so_ much as though it should be a line from "The Atrocity
Exhibition" by J.G. Ballard.
Iain
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:16:58 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
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Pat P wrote:
> > It's true that NTs are into "unreal" science fiction. Yet while we read
> > and "play" in these universes, like Blakes7, and discuss the canon as
> > though it were "real" I doubt that any of us truly believe that the show
> > is a news documentary of something that actually happened / will happen
> > or the characters are real people.
>
And Kathryn answered:
> Of course not. It is an imaginary subcreation.
>
As far as I'm concerned, the same thing goes for any religious text.
Jacqueline
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:03:45 -0700
From: kalazar <kalazar@earthlink.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [Fwd: [B7L] Avon the Sunbeam?]
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Julia Jones wrote:
> As for Christianity - no, I can't see Avon being anyone's sunbeam.
> Jesuit, maybe...
Definetly Jesuit..The most powerful and scientific based order of the
church.
Very independent thinkers, usually sent as "shock troops" and
investigators
responsible to/or for no-one but themselves and the best part (for Avon)
the ultimate responsibility for their actions belongs to the church
hierarchy.
Kalazar
(educated by Jesuits for 25 very loooong years)
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:20:09 -0700
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Post-"Blake" (was Re: [B7L] Greetings fellow Blakes 7 fans...)
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> Hello. Actually I think an introduction *isn't* a requirement on
this
> list, we're lurker-friendly, being mostly a bunch of introverts, but
> thanks for being friendly.
Yes, being a bunch of arrogant know it alls, we generally just spew out
our perfect opinions, in the firm belief that the world really cares
what we have to spout about.
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 03:04:26 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Post-"Blake"
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Pat wrote:
Yes, being a bunch of arrogant know it alls, we generally just spew
out our perfect opinions, in the firm belief that the world really
cares what we have to spout about.>
And do it serenely in the knowledge that all the *other* arrogant know
it alls will eventually forgo their own perfect opinions and come
round to our own even more ones, if we just keep trying to make them
see the light long enough and loud enough...
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 05:36:59 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-"Blake"
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Sally Manton wrote:
>And do it serenely in the knowledge that all the *other* arrogant know
>it alls will eventually forgo their own perfect opinions and come
>round to our own even more ones,
From the humorous "Myers-Briggs Type Prayers", the one for INTJs:
"Lord, keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be."
As a fairly typical INTJ, I have to admit that one's beautifully on target.
- Lisa
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:15:39 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: Ann Reckner <Ann_Reckner@hmco.com>
Subject: [B7L] Re: London fans interested in evening out
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Anne Reckner wrote: "I'm going to be in London 10-12 April (Sat.-Mon.)
and wondered if people would be interested in meeting for a drink or
dinner? I remember that people used to go to Pages bar occasionally and
something like that would be really
fun."
Well I, and Steve Kilbane, are going to be at Pages Bar on Sunday night
(11 April) for their vampire/Buffy night - it's actually called
Nosferatu night. Let me know if you, or anyone else, is interested.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
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