From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se
Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #139
X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume99/139
Precedence: list
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------"
To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
------------------------------
Content-Type: text/plain
blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 139
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
[B7L] Man of Iron for sale
Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
[B7L] telemovie
Re: [B7L] test
Re: [B7L] videos
Re: [B7L] tests and
Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
[B7L] Re: Bullies
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon & Rubbish
Re: [B7L] telemovie
Re: [B7L] tests and suckerdom
Re: [B7L] telemovie
Re: [B7L] Scripts
Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
[B7L]Man of Iron
Re: [B7L] telemovie
Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Re: [B7L] Re:Bullies, was PiC Rant
[B7L] Re: test
[B7L] Where to find me...
Re: [B7L] telefilm / worst openings
Re: [B7L] Telemovie
RE: [B7L] test
RE: [B7L] Re:Bullies, was PiC Rant
Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
[B7L] Orac
[B7L] Dayna( was scripts)
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:35:47 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0420063547-0b0Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
On Tue 20 Apr, VulcanXYZ@aol.com wrote:
> Thank you very much for taking the time to explain exactly what you meant. I
> was rather nervous about disagreeing with you, believe it or not, and am glad
> to finally understand your meaning.
I hope you'll continue to disagree with me whenever appropriate. <smile>
> And a couple of people were glad that I had brought up Man of Iron and talked
> about it, so I believe that it all worked out to the good. It is certainly
> true that the world holds a plethora of ideas and opinions, as is so often
> shown on this list. That's what makes the list so fun to read!
Incidentally, although I'm not a great fan of Paul's writing, I ought to add
that there are others equally bad. Ben Steed comes instantly to mind though his
episodes aren't the very worst ('Harvest of Kairos' and 'Power' and 'Moloch'.
If you think he has a thing about men dominating woman, then you're probably
correct.) I can't realy blame Allan Prior for 'Animals' as it might have been a
very different episode if it had featured Cally, instead of Dayna, as he
originally wrote it. Besides, he did 'Horizon' which proves he can write.
Roger Parkes wrote 'Headhunter' (but I'll forgive him because he also did the
much better 'Children of Auron'). Jim Follett gets the credit for 'Stardrive'
and 'Dawn of the Gods'.
But Chris Boucher gave us gems like 'Star One', 'Trial', 'Shadow', 'City at the
Edge of the World', 'Rumours of Death', Death-Watch' and 'Blake'.
Is it any wonder that we'd like to see a movie written by Chris?
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Fanzines for Blake's 7 and many other fandoms, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news,
Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:53:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Borg <peter_borg@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Man of Iron for sale
Message-ID: <19990420075354.8784.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Available to buy at:
gbp5.75 in P&P to the UK, with gbp1 from each sold
going to charity. Also available for shipping
worldwide.
http://www.horizon.org.uk/merchandise/printed/ManofIron/
===
--
Peter Borg
peter_borg@yahoo.com
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:46:27 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <003e01be8b0a$7732bbe0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
BTW while we are on the subject of which scripts Paul Darrow liked. In the
interview I transcribed he says his favourites in the previous 3 series were
'Star One' and 'Rumours of Death'. Looking forward to series 4 (which hadn't
at that time been broadcast) he mentions 'Orbit' and 'Blake' as being good,
in fact he raves about 'Blake' at some length.
Now personally, I think these are quite good choices, showing some
discernment. Of course these are all scripts with good opportunities for
Avon to emote and snarl so I guess that is an influence on his opinion too.
Alison
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:51:34 +0100
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] telemovie
Message-Id: <l03110702b341edbfef17@[134.226.96.44]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>Gail wrote (re "Man of Iron"):
>>and of all the Scorpio crew, Vila is the only one interested in
>>saving Avon.
>
>This I would have found very hard to accept in an aired episode. It
>violates MY
>established B7 dynamics. I can understand that they might have considered the
>difficulty or danger in trying to rescue Avon, and that they might have
>weighed
>the odds of being ABLE to rescue him against the amount risk. But that no one
>else was INTERESTED in trying to rescue him is not canon. I think it's been
>accepted (even by the Tarrant haters) that Tarrant would not leave a crew
>member
>stranded. I can't see Dayna or Soolin being willing to leave him either.
>Even
>Avon wouldn't leave a crew member stranded.
>
>I did enjoy the humor and clever lines Gail quoted :) And, since I quite
>naturally forgive Avon anything ;) ;), I would probably have accepted the
>super
>macho Avon as robot killer...
>
>Candace
>
I agree with you here, in that each member of the crew would want
to rescue the other if that person got into difficulties. We see this as
early as 'Seek-Locate-Destroy' with Blake's rescue of Cally. While he was
correctly stopped from rescuing her at the start, because the Federation
would be waiting, he was able to do so later. Quite apart from his sense of
ethics in wanting to save his friends from the Federation, there was also
the pragmatic angle that
if the crew knew that he and their crewmates would do their best to rescue
him or her, it would have a good effect on morale. Abandoning a crew member
without any effort to save him or her would, of course, have the opposite
effect on the remaining crew.
This pragmatic angle in particularly evident in the third season,
where the crew not only rescue each other, such as Cally in 'Ultraworld';
they also support each others' personal agendas: Cally trying to help her
people, Avon trying to avenge Anna Grant's death, and Tarrant trying to
avenge his brother's death.
Murray
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:42:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] test
Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.96.990420104139.10895A-100000@umm-pc.jims.cam.ac.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Neil said:
>Aha - I just knew at least one of you would click this one to read it
>even if it does say 'test' in the subject header. Should have put a
>fiver on it, eh?
Sorry, Neil, but they all come through automatically on the digest. So you
owe me a fiver.
Una
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:10:53 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] videos
Message-ID: <4db92d5c.244d9e9d@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<<>Mistral wrote:
>The quality of the videos we get over here in America, for example,
>is atrocious. And I'm talking manufactyuring quality, not the flaws
>from the original masters...
Gee, I'm really surprised to hear this. I bought all 26 tapes from Suncoast
here in Southern California and the quality is superb. The picture is sharp
and
clear (not blurry or fuzzy at all), the sound is excellent (even the music is
unflawed). Everyone in our group bought their B7 tapes from Suncoast and no
one has had a problem.
Believe me, we'd be yelling if we couldn't see those gorgeous Avon eyes
clearly.
Candace>>
I'm up to tape 10 or 11, and had few problems. There is one small problem.
Tape 4 (Mission to Destiny\Duel), I had to shove the tape in and out of the
VCR several times (seemed like hundreds), because every time I'd put the tape
in, it would immediately come back out. Has anyone else had this problem?
Maybe it's just the VCR.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:42:13 PDT
From: "Stephen Date" <stephendate@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] tests and
Message-ID: <19990420094213.48176.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-type: text/plain
Gail wrote:
>>Dang, I've been caught! I always read the tests. Any other
suckers >out there?
>>Gail
and Joanne added
>I claim victimhood. I started at the top of what was in the in-box
>and kept going, and so I didn't know there was someone testing.
>Sally Manton, Stephen Date, anyone else on Hotmail - same for you?
I fear that I succumbed to the wiles of the fiendish Faulkner for the
same reason. To paraphrase Avon and Dayna in Rumours of Death.
"You know the trouble with Neil's posts"
"They're much to interesting to killfile"
"Irritating isn't it"
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:13:19 PDT
From: "Stephen Date" <stephendate@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <19990420101324.89941.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-type: text/plain
Alison wrote:
>
>BTW while we are on the subject of which scripts Paul Darrow liked.
>In the interview I transcribed he says his favourites in the
>previous 3 series were'Star One' and 'Rumours of Death'. Looking
>forward to series 4 (which hadn't at that time been broadcast) he
>mentions 'Orbit' and 'Blake' as being good,in fact he raves about
>'Blake' at some length.
>Now personally, I think these are quite good choices, showing some
>discernment. Of course these are all scripts with good opportunities
>for Avon to emote and snarl so I guess that is an influence on his
>opinion too.
I must say if the telemovie is half as good as any of the above then
it should pass muster. My abiding nightmare is to log on to hotmail
and (having scrolled through sundry tests) get a post to the effect
that the working title is "Avon: Return to Ultraworld", that Ben
Steed and Trevor Hoyle are collaborating on the script, that the cast
of East Enders are all going to be in it and Eric Roberts has agreed
to take on the role of Father Abraham.....(Elynne you have one scary
imagination)
Altogether now la-la-la-la-la
Stephen.
P.S. Apropos of Ultraworld, does anyone else think that Josette Simon
might have had a flash of deja-vu when she discovered that the
Director of Midsummer Night's Dream expected her to get excessively
sensual with a donkey ?
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:16:35 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Bullies
Message-ID: <199904200616_MC2-72B1-4DC5@compuserve.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sally replied to Tiger M:
>> In Moloch, Vila knew Tarrant wouldn't kill him.
>>When Tarrant pulled a gun on him, he was hurt
>> and disappointed, but not afraid.
...
>The fact that, in Moloch, Vila *knows* he won't do it
>doesn't matter. Tarrant again intends him to believe it
> (well, if he! doesn't, hed be a blithering idiot to try it, and he
isn't.)
As a proud member of Tarrant Numquam, I love this encounter, because it
seems to me the moment at which the relationship turns round. Vila
dismisses Tarrant's threat as if he's a blustering child (maybe he suddenly
remembers their age-gap and thinks "Hey, what I have been doing letting
this adolescent push me around all these months?"). And Tarrant completely
loses control of the situation, because Vila's called his bluff and he's
got nothing left to throw at him. The scene stops there, but I see Vila
sauntering off while Tarrant sits on the floor, jaw dropping as he tries to
work out what to do next.
>>The other thing I noticed that many fans seem to
>>miss is that neither Vila nor Tarrant hold any grudges
>>over either incident.
>
>That Vila doesn't hold a grudge is to *his* credit, and
>cannot be held as a point in favour of Tarrant.
Vila doesn't hold a grudge because he won the game, and thus the match.
Tarrant's not going to try strong-arming him again, and they both know it.
Harriet
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:40:17 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon & Rubbish
Message-ID: <19990420104021.10162.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-type: text/plain
Sarah wrote:
<Someone else wondered how Soolin managed to switch the clip in Avon's gun.
My theory is that he had foolishly left it with his clothes in another room,
and was splashing or singing or something when she came tiptoing in. I'm
sure he'll never do that again!>
Avon singing in the bathtub...lovely idea, Sarah, but *what*?
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:45:50 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] telemovie
Message-ID: <19990420104557.17690.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-type: text/plain
Gail wrote : (re "Man of Iron"):
<and of all the Scorpio crew, Vila is the only one interested in
saving Avon. This I would have found very hard to accept in an
aired episode. It violates MY established B7 dynamics. I can
understand that they might have considered the difficulty or danger
in trying to rescue Avon, and that they might have weighed the odds
of being ABLE to rescue him against the amount risk. But that no one
else was INTERESTED in trying to rescue him is not canon. I think
it's been accepted (even by the Tarrant haters) that Tarrant would
not leave a crew member stranded.>
Agreed. Tarrant would have weighted the odds (if someone could make
him stop long enough) then charged ahead anyway. Loyalty was one of
his strongest characteristics...actually, the one *I* can see
hanging back furthest is Vila!!
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 03:56:13 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] tests and suckerdom
Message-ID: <19990420105617.60384.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-type: text/plain
Joanne wrote:
<I claim victimhood. I started at the top of what was in the in-box and kept going, and so I didn't know there was someone testing. Sally Manton, Stephen Date, anyone else on Hotmail - same for you?>
'Fraid I can't blame Hotmail, just my own incorrigible inquisitiveness. Yep, I was suckered.
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:21:40 EDT
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] telemovie
Message-ID: <9b04f770.244dbd44@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I wrote (re: "Man of Iron"):
<and of all the Scorpio crew, Vila is the only one interested in saving Avon.
>
Goodness, I think I may have misled all of you here. I believe that in the
beginning the others are reluctant to help, but that eventually they all get
involved. It has been a while since I read the actual script. (Now, where
did I stick it?)
Gail
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:43:38 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts
Message-ID: <19990420114342.79815.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-type: text/plain
Alison wrote:
Now personally, I think these are quite good choices, showing some
discernment. Of course these are all scripts with good opportunities for
Avon to emote and snarl so I guess that is an influence on his
opinion too.>
Not that we have any objections to a reasonable amount of either
emoting or snarling...
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:08:40 BST
From: "Tor Avon" <tor_avon@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <19990420120841.94704.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-type: text/plain
Hello people.
>>BTW while we are on the subject of which scripts Paul Darrow liked.
I wouldn't say that his choices of episodes were ever very discerning,
apart fromt the fact that he hated Harvest and Animals, he actually
liked Sarcophagus, and all the snarling and bitching in Power. Plus he
only liked Deliverance because of Meegat.
>I must say if the telemovie is half as good as any of the above then
>it should pass muster. My abiding nightmare is to log on to hotmail
>and (having scrolled through sundry tests) get a post to the effect
>that the working title is "Avon: Return to Ultraworld", that Ben
>Steed and Trevor Hoyle are collaborating on the script
Actually, I've just submitted an 'Ultraworld' sequel to Brian
Lighthill for radio production consideration, so don't be so damned
defeatist! There's a lot we don't know about the Ultra, they might be
more interesting than you'd expect!!
My abiding nightmare is that Paul Darrow might write the script!!
Tor
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:30:22 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]Man of Iron
Message-ID: <01be8b29$8f9020a0$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Gail said:
>Furthermore, I wanted the
>other fans to give the script a chance because I believe many will find
it
>very enjoyable.
Well you have whetted my appetite. This is something that has long been
on my list of B7 things to buy one day. I think I will make it today.
Julie Horner
Software Engineer
Lincoln Software
Tel: +44 (0) 1625 616722
Fax: +44(0) 1625 616780
E-mail: julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com
Web: http://www.lincolnsoftware.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:33:32 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] telemovie
Message-ID: <371C822C.3A54B74F@ptinet.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sally Manton wrote (re who would rescue Avon):
> Agreed. Tarrant would have weighted the odds (if someone could make
> him stop long enough) then charged ahead anyway. Loyalty was one of
> his strongest characteristics...actually, the one *I* can see
> hanging back furthest is Vila!!
Yes; Tarrant would very much rescue *any* of the crew, and Vila
would hang back, except on one condition. If for some reason the
others *were* unwilling or unable to go after Avon, it would be
very Vila-esque for him to take care of things himself. He does
come through in a pinch. Not having read the script yet, I can't
say whether a believable situation was set up in which for some
reason the others were unwilling to go; if say, perhaps, the others
thought that Avon had betrayed them, and Vila was the only one
who knew that Avon hadn't done that.
Just IMHO,
Mistral
--
"And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:47:15 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <001c01be8b34$851293a0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Tor said -
>I wouldn't say that his choices of episodes were ever very discerning,
>apart fromt the fact that he hated Harvest and Animals, he actually
>liked Sarcophagus, and all the snarling and bitching in Power. Plus he
>only liked Deliverance because of Meegat.
Here is a little bit from Paul's interview, about series 4.
(question - Do you like series 4 as much as the previous 3?)
I do, yes, some episodes more than others. What Vere, our producer, has
tried to do is to balance. One week it�s quite serious �although you might
not think so � and the next week it becomes sort of �comic strip�. So that
the �Space Rats� one that you referred to was a comic strip, and the one
with the doctor who fell in love with Dayna. Which was ludicrous, but there
you are, if you actually thought about that, if he taught her before the
alien war, which made her about 12, but there you are. 12 years old� it�s
ridiculous.
But yes, I do, I see what they�re trying to do with it, and obviously there
are some episodes that I prefer to others. I thought when I first read them
that the first six were tricky, and that they would improve radically after
that, and rapidly, and indeed they do. Because we had a lot of new writers
and that�s interesting for actors, but it sometimes leads you off into
directions you don�t want to go in and you have to fight that. And so you
have all sorts of problems.
But the short answer to your question is �Yes � with reservations.�
***
I find these comments quite sensible, particularly made off the cuff as they
were. Though my real reason for looking fairly kindly on Paul's opinions is
that I think he likes the Vila character a lot, which makes him OK with me.
Alison
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:13:20 PDT
From: "Stephen Date" <stephendate@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <19990420141332.25828.qmail@hotmail.com>
Content-type: text/plain
Tor Avon wrote;
>I wouldn't say that his choices of episodes were ever very
discerning,
>apart fromt the fact that he hated Harvest and Animals, he actually
>liked Sarcophagus, and all the snarling and bitching in Power. Plus
he
>only liked Deliverance because of Meegat.
Well I liked Sarcophagus ! I think Power would have been a good story
if it had been about a conflict between the local Barbarians and the
local high-technological faction, with our heroes caught in the
middle instead of the usual Ben Steed "Women, know your limits"
wittering. I have to admit as well that IMO the Avon/ Meegat scene's
in Deliverance are brilliant comedy as Avon wanders around the
control room airily fulfilling the prophecy.
Tor then went on to say:
>Actually, I've just submitted an 'Ultraworld' sequel to Brian
>Lighthill for radio production consideration, so don't be so damned
>defeatist! There's a lot we don't know about the Ultra, they might
>be more interesting than you'd expect!!
Sorry, me and my big mouth ! The ep wasn't really my cup of tea, but
Good Luck with your script.
>My abiding nightmare is that Paul Darrow might write the script!!
If he does I think it's a fairly safe bet that he scores early and
often ! When ever there's a film on and someone throws herself at the
middle aged hero I often wonder "How does he do it ?" The answer is
usually found in the words Written/ Directed/ Produced by.....the
middle aged actor playing the hero. Am I being excessively cynical
here ?
Stephen.
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:42:22 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <371C924D.D1E1AD35@ptinet.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Stephen Date wrote:
> >My abiding nightmare is that Paul Darrow might write the script!!
>
> If he does I think it's a fairly safe bet that he scores early and
> often ! When ever there's a film on and someone throws herself at the
> middle aged hero I often wonder "How does he do it ?" The answer is
> usually found in the words Written/ Directed/ Produced by.....the
> middle aged actor playing the hero. Am I being excessively cynical
> here ?
Er, yes, actually, either that or jealous ;-)
Sociologically speaking, eligible males generally become more
valuable as they age, since they tend to acquire power, money,
poise, etc.: also, men die earlier than women, and western
society is still predominately slanted toward older man/younger
woman couples, so there are fewer of what are perceived as
available men in proportion to available women as people age.
For these and other reasons, many women are attracted to
older men. Sean Connery is still the sexiest man alive. And from
what I've been told, PDs not completely unattractive.
Grins,
Mistral
--
"And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:01:00 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <371C96AB.C79D50A0@ptinet.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Alison Page wrote:
> Here is a little bit from Paul's interview, about series 4.
<snip>
> the one
> with the doctor who fell in love with Dayna. Which was ludicrous, but there
> you are, if you actually thought about that, if he taught her before the
> alien war, which made her about 12, but there you are. 12 years old� it�s
> ridiculous.
Hmm. Hal Mellanby brought Dayna from Earth to Saren
about twenty years before Aftermath. Makes it sound like he
thinks the war was maybe six or eight years long. I don't dispute
that; but I do wonder where he came up with it from?
Almost makes you wish they had stardates at the beginning of
the eps, doesn't it? Nah..........
Mistral the Chronologically Challenged
--
"And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:41:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Bullies, was PiC Rant
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0420134132-313Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
On Tue 20 Apr, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
>
>
> Judith Proctor wrote:
> > I'm sorry, but you haven't the faintest damn idea what you're talking about.
>
> I take it this is some verbal savagery designed to teach me a lesson?
No, it was the automatic gut reaction of a parent who is protective of her
children.
From what you were saying, I assumed that you considered yourself largely immune
to verbal abuse, thus I didn't expect you to be hurt by anything I might say.
If I expected you to be hurt, then trying to hurt you would be pointless as you
would already know that pain that words can give.
> I'm sincerely sorry if I've touched a nerve. I certainly hope that things
> continue to improve for your son. This would explain, perchance, why
> we have different definitions of the word bully. And I never meant to
> imply that verbal savagery isn't damaging, hurtful, or a bad thing to do
> to people. I don't consider that you've just bullied me, however, even
> though you *have* reduced me to tears.
I'm really sorry for that. I hope you know that it was far from what I
intended. Please accept an e-mail hug.
Differing understandings of words can cause major misundertandings. (I just had
an argument with a friend about whetehr socialism was a good or bad thing only
to discover that we had totally different meanings attached to the word and in
fact were largely in agreement)
I think bullying lies largely in intent. For a child, a nasty nickname can be
as painful as a kick in the shin. The intent to hurt is there just as clearly.
eg. I don't see everything said to Vila as bullying. Some things that sound
dismissive on the surface were obviously not intended that way. There's one
episode where Avon calls up and says something like 'Vila, are you asleep?'
Vila jerks hiself awake and says 'no'. Avon replies 'That's what I thought'.
There is affectionate humour in his voice as he says it.
The same thing said in a different tone of voice would have conveyed a very
different meaning. It isn't what is said, so much as how it is said.
>
> OTOH, Judith, you have no idea what *my* life has been like, any
> more than I was aware of your son's situation. I do, too, have 'the
> faintest damn idea' of what I am talking about. And to avoid pouring
> out my whole life story in public, I'll confine myself to saying that
> I've lived my entire 40 years *up to the present* with verbal savagery
> from everyone from family, to *teachers*, to total strangers who
> feel free to walk up to me on the street and insult me. (I've also
> come in for my share of bullying -- my definition.)
Then why dismiss the intent to protect people from verbal abuse as PC rubbish?
(We'd better take this to private mail if we want to discuss it any further)
>
> I could wish that I were tougher. I could wish that the people
> that behave this way had a better upbringing. And this isn't the
> first time since I've joined this list that I've wished that people
> would restrict themselves to exchanging ideas and opinions,
> instead of making personal attacks.
>
> :) On the other hand, I still believe in free speech. And I still
> want to be friends. Please forgive me for hurting you.
Shake hands <smile>.
I believe in free speech, but I also believe that opinions can be expressed
without being abusive. The problem always lies in knowing what is abusive.
Differences in geography, culture, upbringing, etc. make this hard to judge.
Especially over e-mail, where you cannot see the face of the person you are
talking to.
Your comments on verbal abuse felt like a personal attack to me, though I now
realise that your intent could not have been what it felt like. (Even though it
wasn't addressed to me, it still felt personal because it was effectively saying
that my son was not deserving of protection.)
Right, shifting back to Blake's 7.
How would various characters feel about freedom of speech?
Servalan feels that speech should be rigidly controlled and wants to execute
those spreading stories of rebel activity.
Blake probably wants total freedom of speech as a matter of principle.
Avon, I think would favour some restrictions once he was in office, but would
suport total freedom when he wasn't <grin>.
Gan's a freedom of speech man because I think he finds it hard to see people as
evil and thus would not want to silence anyone.
Vila doesn't care as long as the bar opens on time.
Soolin might care passinately about this topic as the famers on Gauda Prime were
denied an effective voice.
Dayna simply lacks the political background to have a strong opinion though I
think she would echo her father's opinions until she found her own from
experience.
I think Cally is basically in favour of freedom of speech, but can't help
feeling that she would want an exclusion for racists, facists, etc. (I remember
my student's union always used to have long debates on whether to allow a voice
to those particular groups)
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Fanzines for Blake's 7 and many other fandoms, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news,
Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:08:55 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: test
Message-ID: <199904201509_MC2-72C5-62E0@compuserve.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Neil wrote:
>Aha - I just knew at least one of you would click
>this one to read it even if it does say 'test' in the
>subject header. Should have put a fiver on it, eh?
I'm completely innocent. It's in the Digest, so I have to scroll past it
to get to the next one.
Harriet
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:25:27 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Where to find me...
Message-Id: <199904201945.UAA29004@gnasher.sol.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Oh, I now have two websites
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/7312/
Is David A McIntee's Homepage. This will be my personal homepage - stuff
about my books, covers, reviews etc... What I'm up to, what conventions
I'll be at, and so on.
-----
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Mansion/4845/
is Pon Farr Night at the Vulcan Cafe. This will be the new home for my
(Dangermouse's) Star Trek (well, just Voyager, since DS9 is ending)
spoilers and Tuvok homepage.
The two sites will be separate (but are empty at the moment)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:45:32 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] telefilm / worst openings
Message-ID: <19980313.061526.10310.1.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:51:35 EDT Bizarro7@aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 4/17/99 1:04:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>mistral@ptinet.net writes:
>
><< "You can't expect anyone to take a meglomaniac with blue skin
>seriously."
>>>
>
>Spoken by someone who has never seen Bronze Age Methos in HIGHLANDER.
>*chuckle*...
I _knew_ I was forgetting a serious, blue skinned meglomaniac. How about
"You can't expect anyone to take a six inch tall meglomaniac with blue
plush skin seriously."?
Ellynne
___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:42:14 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Telemovie
Message-ID: <19980313.061526.10310.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:26:33 +1000 Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes:
>And, no, I'm not saying that it is impossible to do these things
>right. I actually *liked* the Doctor Who movie;
At last! Someone besides me who liked it!
I even liked finding out the Doctor was supposed to be half-human. Of
course, that may have been because I had this sudden mental picture of a
British woman, probably from the World War II era, the type who dealt
with the city she lived in being bombed with the same kind of practical
efficiency and general optimism about her ability to cope you'd expect in
the Doctor. She met up with an observing Time Lord who needed to be
knocked out of his "only watching" complacency but, otherwise, wasn't
such a bad guy.
Then I found out the writers were thinking ancient Egyptian Queen with
the Doctor's father doing the "Chariots of the Gods" thing and building
the pyramids, and I wasn't so sure. But since they didn't put it in the
movie, I ignore it.
I simply fast-forward
>through all the bits that have "The Master" in them.
Good strategy. I don't blame the actor for apparently not watching any
old episodes with the Master in them, but someone (like the director)
should have told him the Master is supposed to be _sophisticated_ evil.
If he has to wear a leather coat, he'll manage to give the impression
it's an opera cloak. And, when around humans (and most other people), he
gives the clear impression of knowing their all such ignorant fools
compared to him. He doesn't kill billions to save himself because he's a
murdering thug, he does it because he knows his life is worth so much
more than theirs (and he probably believes the billions would agree if
they only had the intellect to grasp his view of the situation).
>But Barry Letts and Brian Lighthill's track record is not good.
>Bring back Chris Boucher!
Or at least don't have Avon's father build the pyramids.
Ellynne
___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:05:52 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] test
Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F10FBA3@NL-ARN-MAIL01>
Content-Type: text/plain
> Neil wrote:
>
> << Aha - I just knew at least one of you would click this one to read it
> even
> if it does say 'test' in the subject header. Should have put a fiver on
> it,
> eh? >>
>
And Gail answered:
> Dang, I've been caught! I always read the tests. Any other suckers out
> there?
>
Not me, but that's because outlook shows the first part of the message even
before I open it, which in this case was the entire message. I probably
would have clicked on the message if it hadn't.
Jacqueline
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:13:46 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:Bullies, was PiC Rant
Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F10FBA4@NL-ARN-MAIL01>
Content-Type: text/plain
Judith said:
> Avon, I think would favour some restrictions once he was in office, but
> would
> suport total freedom when he wasn't <grin>.
>
I don't think he'd favour restrictions even if he was in office. Avon firmly
believes that everyone has the right to make a fool of himself <g>.
> Vila doesn't care as long as the bar opens on time.
>
Well, he might want to have the words "closing time" banned.
Jacqueline
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:03:44 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Scripts (was Man of Iron)
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0420180344-b07Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
On Tue 20 Apr, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> Sociologically speaking, eligible males generally become more valuable as they
> age, since they tend to acquire power, money, poise, etc.: also, men die
> earlier than women, and western society is still predominately slanted toward
> older man/younger woman couples, so there are fewer of what are perceived as
> available men in proportion to available women as people age. For these and
> other reasons, many women are attracted to older men. Sean Connery is still
> the sexiest man alive. And from what I've been told, PDs not completely
> unattractive.
Sean Connery is definitely one of those men who improved wonderfully with age.
I never cared for him as James Bond, but I can drool now.
Martin Shaw (as I think I said on the other list) is looking delightful as he
gains some grey hair.
I like older men. Their faces look as though they've been lived in. I'm an
absolute sucker for a good crp of smile lines.
Paul's still attractive. He's also got what I can only describe as a
personality that projects. I have several friends who drool happily in Paul's
vicinity.
Gareth is simply beautiful since he passed fifty. Luckily, most of the world
doesn't realise this because they expect him to look like Blake, so I don't have
to fight off hordes of adoring fans to be able to say hello to him. So why am I
telling you this? Hm. Correction, Gareth is an ugly sod, you wouldn't want to
know him at all <grin>.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Fanzines for Blake's 7 and many other fandoms, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news,
Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:16:18 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Orac
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0420201618-0e8Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
It just struck me that Ensor exaggerated somewhat about Orac's abilities.
If Orac was that good at predicting things, how come he didn't predict that
Servalan would try to cheat Ensor?
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Fanzines for Blake's 7 and many other fandoms, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news,
Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:46:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Dayna( was scripts)
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0420174616-ab5Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On Tue 20 Apr, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
>
>
> Alison Page wrote:
>
> > Here is a little bit from Paul's interview, about series 4.
>
> <snip>
>
> > the one
> > with the doctor who fell in love with Dayna. Which was ludicrous, but there
> > you are, if you actually thought about that, if he taught her before the
> > alien war, which made her about 12, but there you are. 12 years old� it�s
> > ridiculous.
>
> Hmm. Hal Mellanby brought Dayna from Earth to Saren
> about twenty years before Aftermath. Makes it sound like he
> thinks the war was maybe six or eight years long. I don't dispute
> that; but I do wonder where he came up with it from?
The script was originally written for Cally. The dates would have made more
sense then. I presume they slipped past the script editing because of the
pressure of time.
My usual rationale is that it was a teenage crush and not an actual romance.
Either that or hal Mellanby would have shot Justin if he'd found out what was
goin on...
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Fanzines for Blake's 7 and many other fandoms, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news,
Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc.
--------------------------------
End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #139
**************************************