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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 155
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Drugs
Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
[B7L] Who Shot Anna
Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
[B7L] Plan B, O ye Muses of filking...
Re: [B7L] Curious things in Star One
Re: [B7L] Who Shot Anna
[B7L] history
Re: [B7L] history
Re: [B7L] history
[B7L] Curious things in Star One
[B7L] Plan B, O ye Muses of filking...
Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
[B7L] budgies/parakeets
Re: [B7L] Who Shot Anna
Re: [B7L] Response to Judith's Inquiry re Man Of Iron
Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
Re: [B7L] history
Re: [B7L] Response to Judith's Inquiry re Man Of Iron
Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
Re: [B7L] Who Shot Anna
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:48:03 +0100
From: "Jonathan" <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Drugs
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Hellen (aka "the Bulgarian") wrote:
>Kathryn wrote (on May, 1st):
>
> <<If suppressants suppress initiative, then at the minimum, high
government
> officials (such as Servalan) would be exempt.>>
>
>
>By the way, slightly out of topic, but - it was typical for authorities in
>the communist countries to treat the 'inconvenient' people with drugs for
>suppressing their resistance/will. Federation does not invent anything new,
>*they* were simply good learners.
>
Given the progress being made in drug design, especially through computer
modelling of complex molecules, I can't help wondering if a government that
wants to suppress virtually its entire population this way won't be able to
within the next few decades. In the end, human neurochemistry and brain
structure will probably be the determining factor - if useful mental
abilities are too closely linked to the ability to think subversive
thoughts, then we're all safe. If on the other hand it's possible to
diminish or alter the "patient's" sense of self without destroying his
ability as eg an engineer, then -ouch. (And actually it may well be possible
to reduce normal social functioning while enhancing the skills a regieme may
rely on in it's worforce - consider high-level asperger's syndrome : a mild
relative of autism where shrunken interpersonal skills often go along with
better than normal mathematical reasoning abilities.) As I understand it
communist biotechnology was very primitive compared with the state of the
art in the west now.
Jonathan
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:55:38 +0100
From: "Jonathan" <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Sarah Berry" <berrys@connexus.net.au>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
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Sarah said:
>
>Here's another contradiction. I think our world is caught up in
'technological
>determinism' (something like the future being set by what we invent now)
and
>that often has positive connatations too. Yet SF, and B7 is a good
example,
>tends to be a technological dystopia (inventions are used in a bad or evil
way).
>Sarah Berry.
>
- Actually, I think dystopia is an English (or British - and probably
Australian) thing. Most American SF is very upbeat. Consider Trek, Heinlein,
Asimov. Things in US SF generally go wrong just long enough to provide a
plot.
Jonathan
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Date: 3 May 1999 15:37:20 -0700
From: "Ma.James" <ma@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Who Shot Anna
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>Mistral wrote:
>Since this means her choices really boil down to throwing herself
>on his mercy or killing him
I agree with you, but I've always been confused as to why she considered these
were her choices.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to what Anna planned to do after she shot Avon?
Because, surely, once she shot him and Avon went down, Cally and Tarrant (both
standing behind her) would have in unison fired at Anna -- and she'd be dead.
So I'm confused as to what she thought she was gaining. This scene has never
made any sense to me (though I do adore it for the drama/angst of it). ;)
Candace
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:52:18 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
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In message <007701be95a7$4d3134a0$bfcf883e@default>, Jonathan <jonathan@
meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>- Actually, I think dystopia is an English (or British - and probably
>Australian) thing. Most American SF is very upbeat. Consider Trek, Heinlein,
>Asimov. Things in US SF generally go wrong just long enough to provide a
>plot.
Whereas, just off the top of my head, British tv has produced or adapted
1984
B7
Cold Lazarus
Day of the Triffids
Dr Who (yes really, go look at how dystopian some Who is)
Edge of Darkness
Z for Zachariah
(No wonder American Gothic was so popular here.)
And as for the written sf...
That scene in Edge of Darkness where Bob Peck's character finds the lead
coffins is one of the most chilling things I've seen on tv.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:55:21 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Plan B, O ye Muses of filking...
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Another muse to add to the list - Steve Rogerson, courtesy of him saying
that it was nice that Vila had his drinking habit back in The Syndeton
Experiment.
Booze, Glorious Booze
(Tune: Food, Glorious Food: Oliver!)
Is it worth my waiting for
If I live till forty-four?
All they ever are is cruel!
Every day I say a prayer,
Hoping someone else will care.
Still they keep on being cruel!
There's not a drop, not a splash can I find,
Can I beg, can I steal or cadge,
But there's nothing to stop me from getting a thrill
If I just close my eyes and imagine
Booze, glorious booze!
Hot toddy and muscat!
Now I'm in the mood,
Cold Baileys and claret!
Rhines, rhieslings and sauvignons,
Give me that old corkscrew
Bring ice I can pour it on
All night through!
Booze, glorious booze,
All I can lay hands on,
Barrels and bottles a day;
Tables I can dance on.
Just picture Wyndham Estate
Tapped, chilled and then schooned!**
Oh, booze, wonderful booze
Marvellous booze, glorious booze.
Booze, glorious booze!
What is there more handsome?
Gulped, swallowed and sluiced,
Worth a planet's ransom!
What is it I dream about?
What brings on a high?
Piled barrels of beer about
Six feet high!
Booze, glorious booze,
Slurp right through the cellar.
Just grab a new glass
And you're a fine fella.
Work up a new thirst, ho ho!
In this interlude,
Then booze, once again booze,
Fabulous booze, glorious booze!
Booze, glorious booze!
Don't care what it comes in,
Mug, goblet or tube,
Don't care if your thumb's in!
Just thinking of getting drunk
Sets my senses reeling,
One hour of knowing that
Dizzy feeling!
Booze, glorious booze!
What wouldn't I give for
Just half a glass more,
Before my head is sore.
Why should I listen to
Avon being rude
'Bout booze, magical booze, wonderful booze,
Marvellous booze, fabulous booze,
Beautiful booze, glorious booze!
** Took a bit of artistic license here - the reference is to the schooner, a
beer glass.
It's just possible that Vila wouldn't be the only needing a stomach pump
after that effort, and Lionel Bart will be spinning in his final resting
place, I'm sure!
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:56:55 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Ellynne G. wrote:
> I can see Avon learning history if it came his way, but I don't see him
> making any major effort for it unless if filled a specific need (checking
> entries on "successful computer bank fraud" stats or "history and
> survival rates on Cygnus Alpha"). But I tend to see history as more of a
> touchy-feely discipline, where you learn about people, their lives and
> motivations, etc. The best historians seem to have been in love with
> their chosen culture / time period. If I could picture a more aloof
> historian (I'm sure there are some), I could probably picture Avon with
> his bootleg copy of "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire." As it is, I
> can't see it yet.
Well now, this probably explains perfectly why we see this
so differently. I've always viewed history as dry and analytical;
names, dates, chains of cause-and-effect. I've a friend who can
rattle you off statistics on virtually any war ever fought in
recorded Western history, including names, dates, and political
causes, significant battles, etc., -- but he wouldn't know
anything about the people and culture of the time that didn't
directly relate to the war. Lives, motivations, and touchy-feely
bits remind me more of sociology and anthropology.
It's this more analytical, chain of cause-and-effect familiarity
with history that I think Avon would have picked up on in the
course of his education. An outline, so to speak, not in-depth
knowledge.
How interesting to see another point of view! Thanx, Ellynne.
Grins,
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:31:46 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Ma.James wrote:
> >Mistral wrote:
> >Since this means her choices really boil down to throwing herself
> >on his mercy or killing him
>
> I agree with you, but I've always been confused as to why she considered these
> were her choices.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to what Anna planned to do after she shot Avon?
> Because, surely, once she shot him and Avon went down, Cally and Tarrant (both
> standing behind her) would have in unison fired at Anna -- and she'd be dead.
> So I'm confused as to what she thought she was gaining. This scene has never
> made any sense to me (though I do adore it for the drama/angst of it). ;)
You're right, of course. For simplicity's sake I ignored the
option that she would hold him at gunpoint to keep the others
at bay until her people arrived -- the house was full of them,
remember; but she would have still had to kill all of them as
quickly as possible, as Avon would at that point have become
an enemy, and she couldn't risk any of them exposing her to
the rebels as Bartolomew, nor interfering with her plans.
Then again, perhaps 1) she was a good enough shot that
once she'd got her gun out, she could take them all by
using him for a shield; 2) she had no personal loyalty to
anyone, and couldn't imagine the others would care if
she killed him, since it was basically a personal matter
between her and Avon; 3) was so focused on the idea of him
killing her (she'd been anticipating the moment for
years) that she made a mistake and forgot about them;
or 4) thought the gunfire would bring her people running,
and she could hold out until they came, saw Cally and
Tarrant trying to kill her, and killed them for her.
I'm guessing 1 or 4, since if she were exposed as
Bartolomew to the rebels, they would turn on her
and kill her themselves; she stands a much better
chance against three than against her entire band of
'followers'. Quite simply, Anna was in probably the
most dangerous situation of her entire life, and her
options were limited, IMHO.
But I'm sure there's a better idea out there... who's
got it?
Grins,
Mistral
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:29:08 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] history
Message-ID: <19980314.142910.10310.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
History as it may have been taught in the Federation
French Revolution: Remember, next time you are even remotely tempted to
overthrow an autocratic system ruled over by a woman with really
expensive taste in clothes (oh, and consort) and establish a republic and
/ or democracy, that this leads inevitably to everyone thinking the
funnest thing to do on a Saturday morning is get up early and watch
massive bloodshed in public places. Don't do it.
The Alamo: See? Little forces fighting against big forces get slaughtered
no matter how good their PR.
Joan of Arc: Little nutcases who think they have some divine mission to
free mankind will be burnt at the stake.
Witch Trials in General: Witches were often burned just for being
different, so don't be different.
American Civil War: Slavery versus preserving the union, the tragic
results of two great goods in conflict.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:48:23 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] history
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Ellynne:
>French Revolution: Remember, next time you are even remotely >tempted to
>overthrow an autocratic system ruled over by a woman >with really expensive
>taste in clothes (oh, and consort) and establish >a republic and / or
>democracy, that this leads inevitably to everyone >thinking the funnest
>thing to do on a Saturday morning is get up early >and watch massive
>bloodshed in public places. Don't do it.
All right. So what do they do normally on a Saturday morning? (Except Vila,
of course - he's nursing a really bad hangover.)
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:59:52 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:
> All right. So what do they do normally on a Saturday morning? (Except Vila,
> of course - he's nursing a really bad hangover.)
The same thing they do every morning -- go to work, daysoff having long since
been abolished. ???
Would the Federation in fact recognize the human
need for down time in order to stay productive? Or
would they simply not care? Or would the lower classes
be on an everyday schedule and only the Alphas have
days off; i.e. days off be used for rewards/status symbols?
Curiouser and curiouser,
Mistral
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:18:51 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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<But I tend to see history as more of a touchy-feely discipline, where you
learn about people, their lives and motivations, etc.>
Well of course, touchy-feely is *always* the first word that springs to mind
when I think of Avon...
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 01:16:45 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Joanne on her latest inspiration:
<Another muse to add to the list - Steve Rogerson, courtesy of him saying
that it was nice that Vila had his drinking habit back in The Syndeton
Experiment.>
Hmphhh. Steve makes a better muse than moi? OK, since it was so good, I'll
forgive you again.
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:08:18 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
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On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 09:55:38PM +0100, Jonathan wrote:
> Sarah said:
> >
> > Here's another contradiction. I think our world is caught up in
> > 'technological determinism' (something like the future being set by
> > what we invent now) and that often has positive connatations too. Yet
> > SF, and B7 is a good example, tends to be a technological dystopia
> > (inventions are used in a bad or evil way).
> - Actually, I think dystopia is an English (or British - and probably
> Australian) thing. Most American SF is very upbeat. Consider Trek, Heinlein,
> Asimov. Things in US SF generally go wrong just long enough to provide a
> plot.
(Kathryn taps on glass for attention) <ting! ting! ting!>
'scuse me folks. Might I suggest that everyone go off and read "The
World Beyond The Hill: Science Fiction and the Quest for
Transcendence" by Alexi and Cory Panshin, if you can by any means get
hold of it? A marvelous history of SF in the context of its times,
from Frankenstein to the present. It does shed light on, for example,
why US SF is more upbeat than European SF.
To summarize *grossly*, SF started off as full of technophobia and
fear, and worked its way through to optimism, but the US folks were
more inclined to be optimisic than the Europeans because their psyche
wasn't devastated by WWI (and II).
Read the book.
ObB7: D'you think the Federation would have banned SF along with
religion?
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:39:31 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] budgies/parakeets
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Funny how life mimics other things...
Our budgies (that's parakeets for Americans) laid some eggs around Easter. Four
eventually hatched, but it was pretty obvious that the smaller ones weren't
going to make it. We named the biggest one Avon on the grounds that he looked
like a survivor. A few days later, the second one became Blake. In spite of
lots of worries regarding his health, Blake eventually pulled through (though
the others died).
The first one to leave the nest box was Blake who was found the day before
yesterday looking very confused (mindwiped?) wandering around on top of the bird
cage. After an hour, we helped him back into the nest box as he obviously
hadn't intended to leave it. The question is - did he fall out (he has a habit
of perching in the entrance hole) or was he pushed by Avon. ("Imagine you're
standing on a cliff...")(Redemption)
On the other hand, he and Blake are very close. They preen one another's
feathers and usually sleep together (presumably for warmth).
Two days later (Blake having remained safely inside since his brief excursion)
Avon has ventured forth. He's managed solo flights all around the bedroom,
though the rate he misses perches suggests that he's not much of a pilot. (If
we ever have another clutch, I think we'll need a Jenna or Tarrant). Still,
he's rapidly getting the hang of it.
We're hoping Blake will follow in a day or two, once his wings are strong
enough.
Judith
PS. It's a bit hard to tell the gender correctly on baby budgies - I hope we got
it right!
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:19:38 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Who Shot Anna
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Mistral narrowed Anna's options down to these four:
+AD4-1) she was a good enough shot that
+AD4-once she'd got her gun out, she could take them all by
+AD4-using him for a shield
No. She would never have had the time to get behind Avon, even if Cally and
Tarrant were completely taken by surprise.
2) she had no personal loyalty to
+AD4-anyone, and couldn't imagine the others would care if
+AD4-she killed him, since it was basically a personal matter
+AD4-between her and Avon
But killing Avon would make it a personal matter between her and the others,
and there were two of them against the one of her.
3) was so focused on the idea of him
+AD4-killing her (she'd been anticipating the moment for
+AD4-years) that she made a mistake and forgot about them+ADs-
If she was that unprofessional she deserved to die.
+AD4-or 4) thought the gunfire would bring her people running,
+AD4-and she could hold out until they came, saw Cally and
+AD4-Tarrant trying to kill her, and killed them for her.
Hardly. There's no guarantee that Hob et al would hear the shooting, and
even if they did it would take them precious seconds to react to it, then to
make a decision, and then make their way down to the cellar (assuming they
went there first)... Enough time for Anna to be killed a dozen times over.
+AD4-I'm guessing 1 or 4, since if she were exposed as
+AD4-Bartolomew to the rebels, they would turn on her
+AD4-and kill her themselves+ADs- she stands a much better
+AD4-chance against three than against her entire band of
+AD4-'followers'. Quite simply, Anna was in probably the
+AD4-most dangerous situation of her entire life, and her
+AD4-options were limited, IMHO.
Definitely a dangerous situation for her. There is, I think, a 5th option -
to pull a gun on Servalan and use her as a bargaining lever. After all,
Avon has clearly come to interrogate Servalan, so she has something Avon
wants. Threatening to kill her would give Anna some leverage.
But Anna's best bet was probably to keep Avon talking and stall for as much
time as possible, in the hope that someone upstairs would intervene. Slim,
maybe, but a good deal fatter than all the options that would definitely get
her killed.
All in all, I think she was putting her hand where she could reach for a gun
as a last resort, and Cally thought she was going for it in earnest. Hence
Cally's warning and Avon's reaction.
Neil
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:05:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Borg <peter_borg@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Response to Judith's Inquiry re Man Of Iron
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Leah said:
> That's nice, but he'd already auctioned off copies
of
> the script elsewhere around the world, years
earlier.
> A pity he never told Horizon.
Hmm, I don't think that Paul auctioning copies
suggests any change in copyright.
> Suffice it to say that when I get my proceeds back
> from Mr. Darrow regarding the unauthorized
> reproduction and sale of my work for HIS profit (or
> anyone elses, charity included), I will return the
> proceeds from the MAN OF IRON reproduction.
I find this statement astonishing. I for one certainly
do not want to live in a world where everyone takes
this 'eye for an eye' attitude. You're suggesting that
someone else's misconduct makes your misconduct
acceptable?
I don't condone what you alledge Paul has done by any
stretch, but sorry Leah, I don't care who is involved
or how personal it is, that just isn't acceptable
behaviour.
It's pure revenge, and completely mercenary.
To take it to extremes, would it be acceptable for the
ethnic & social minorities in London to lynch the
person responsible for the bombs of whom they were the
target, causing hideous injuries and lifelong pain and
scarring to him?
Further, by the same token you give Judith the right
to copy material belonging to people who have copied
her material in the past. I don't wish to speak out of
turn for Judith, but I doubt very much she would do
such a thing.
Peter.
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:05:20 +0100
From: "kevin mahoney" <kevinpatrickmahoney@msn.com>
To: "Kathryn Andersen" <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>,
"Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
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(Kathryn taps on glass for attention) <ting! ting! ting!>
>
>'scuse me folks. Might I suggest that everyone go off and read "The
>World Beyond The Hill: Science Fiction and the Quest for
>Transcendence" by Alexi and Cory Panshin, if you can by any means get
>hold of it? A marvelous history of SF in the context of its times,
>from Frankenstein to the present. It does shed light on, for example,
>why US SF is more upbeat than European SF.
>
>To summarize *grossly*, SF started off as full of technophobia and
>fear, and worked its way through to optimism, but the US folks were
>more inclined to be optimisic than the Europeans because their psyche
>wasn't devastated by WWI (and II).
I suppose WWII is the starting point, but I think the loss of empire is the
most crucial point in these British post-colonial fictions. The Americans
are still the big power, and they've only become a bit more self-reflective
recently. They're basically at the stage where British Gothic fiction was
at the end of the nineteenth century, particulalry in 'Dracula': is our
British blood pure enough to defeat this threat from the east? I think the
X Files is the American equivalent of this fear, and even Trek has got
darker and more mystical. So, basically, you can read the Federation as a
hugely unsubtle critique of the British empire. Which is basically the
starting point for most of the articles I'm going to put on my SuBCULTURE
web site: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/1082/subculture.html
Kevin Mahoney
Join the Blakes 7 community at Dejanews: http://www.dejanews.com/~blakes7
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:55:23 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] history
Message-ID: <nIxp2IAbnpL3EwJg@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <372E8CD7.FF9043BC@ptinet.net>, mistral@ptinet.net writes
>Would the Federation in fact recognize the human
>need for down time in order to stay productive? Or
>would they simply not care?
Given that most societies have to date (at least where we know about
it), I can't really see the Federation ignoring it, although they
certainly wouldn't call it the Sabbath.
However, what you get over and above the minimum necessary for a healthy
population may well be part of the incentive system.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:49:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Response to Judith's Inquiry re Man Of Iron
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0504184916-256Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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On Tue 04 May, Peter Borg wrote:
> Further, by the same token you give Judith the right
> to copy material belonging to people who have copied
> her material in the past. I don't wish to speak out of
> turn for Judith, but I doubt very much she would do
> such a thing.
You're right. I wouldn't. Although I have no proof, I have strong suspicions
as to who sold copies of my zines (not Leah, I hasten to add) but I'm not
tempted to copy that publisher's material in retaliation. I think what annoyed
me most was that the copies being both a generation down and on American size
paper were of inferior quality and the pictures were the wrong size for the
page. It wasn't just me being ripped off, it was also the zine buyer.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:51:54 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Curious things in Star One (long)
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In message <19990504200818.B2305@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
>ObB7: D'you think the Federation would have banned SF along with
>religion?
If they've got any sense. According to Asimov's autobiography, SF
writers were cheerfully criticising McCarthyism at a time when this was
not a safe thing to do, and getting away with it because the mundanes
didn't realise what this stuff was an allegory for.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:56:15 +0100
From: "kevin mahoney" <kevinpatrickmahoney@msn.com>
To: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>, "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Who Shot Anna
Message-ID: <004101be9670$8ebff180$3d4e95c1@MSNKevinPatrickMahoney>
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I think it was Mr. Pink.
Kevin Mahoney
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/1082/subculture.html
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