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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 196
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
Re: [B7L] Survivors
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
[B7L] Potential crossovers
Re: [B7L] Survivors
[B7L] Redemption pix
[B7L] Netiquette
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
Re: [B7L] Tapes
Apology
[B7L] Moon cycles
[B7L] Re: SC: Moon cycles
Re: [B7L] Moon cycles
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
Re: [B7L]
Re: [B7L] "Warlord" in frame capture library
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
[B7L] A silly Star Trek Crossover for the amusement of the list
Re: [B7L] Netiquette
Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:18:36 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Lysator)
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
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In a message dated 99-06-19 04:46:09 EDT, russ@wriding.demon.co.uk (Russ
Massey) write:
<< In message <002901beb992$baa398c0$c44a95c1@orac>, Julie Horner
<jihorner@dial.pipex.com> writes
>
>If they had that assistant played by Bonny Langford then they would
>all be queuing up to push her out of the air lock - or jump out
>themselves.
>
Yes, just imagine trying to integrate a gorgeous, opinionated
computer expert into the Liberator crew. It'd never work :) >>
Instead of throwing Mel out an airlock, I'd rather see this:
Adric is stranded on a planet. The 4th Doctor and Romana *accidentally*
forget to pick him up before they leave. He manages to stumble upon a
teleport bracelet a crew member dropped. When Vila brings up Avon, Blake, and
Jenna, Adric comes along with them.
Adric: (whining) Where am I? Who are you? Where's the Doctor?
Blake: My name is Roj Blake, this is my ship.
Avon: His ship for the moment.
Adric: (whining) Am I supposed to know who you are? Get me back to the
TARDIS!
Vila: Ugly pajamas, keeps asking for his doctor and a tardis, the poor man is
obviously insane.
Adric: (whining) The Doctor's going to find me, he won't let you keep me. And
they aren't (whine) pajamas.
Jenna: Whoever this doctor is, I have a feeling he's doing cartwheels at the
moment.
Adric: (whining) Shut up! Is the Master behind this? Is he controlling you?
Blake: My head hurts. Someone put him out of his misery.
Avon: With pleasure. (sounds of Avon's blaster going off, and Jenna
teleporting Adric into space)
A few weeks later.....
Blake: Who left a package in the recreation room?
Vila (opening the package): It's a carton of....what are they called?
Avon: Jelly babies.
Blake: Here's a note. 'From one curly-haired rebel to another. Enjoy. My
gratitude is matched only by my lifespan. The Doctor'
Jenna: Told you he was doing cartwheels.
An earlier message mentioned crew members wanting to kill Sarah Jane. Would
it be herecy to admit Sarah Jane is my favorite Doctor Who companion? She may
be a little dippy sometimes, but not stupid or incompetent, and never as
whiny as Peri, Jo, etc. I can remember one occasion (Genesis of the Daleks)
where she took action to get out of a Kaled prison, because she knew the
Doctor wasn't around and she had no other choices.
I think Cally and Sarah would get along very well, she'd get along with Blake
and Gan as well. Since Sarah knew a lot about coping with stormy
personalities, she might even get along with Avon.
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Date: 20 Jun 1999 11:10:08 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "b7" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Survivors
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I'm thinking of seeing if I can get the listbot to automatically reject
multipart postings. Do you people out there think that that would be a
reasonable thing to do?
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Try again. Try harder. -*- Fail again. Fail better.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:09:39 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
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This was a great analysis of cross-overs, Kathryn. I'd never thought it
through like that.
>Finding and exploiting these commonalities is half the fun.
Yes.
>And the other half of the fun is to make the familiar strange; to see
>your well-known characters through other characters eyes - *that's*
>what I like about good crossovers ... to treat
>Our Heros (from whichever universe) as if they were guest-stars from
>the other characters' point-of-view.
This is so true. It's like 'a familiar object seen from an unfamiliar
angle'. You throw the character of (say) Blake into stark relief by putting
him into a new context, and emphasise how (for example) eccentric or lonely
and driven he is. The readers see him with new eyes, with any luck.
Alison
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:26:33 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
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Kathryn wrote:
> Not much need, really, since they don't activate until you close your
> eyes. I doubt many people would be driving or operating machinery
> with their eyes closed.
That's *exactly* what I was doing when I was learning to drive and
*precisely* why I decided it wasn't for me!
Una
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:55:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
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On Sun 20 Jun, Neil Faulkner wrote:
>
> If you think of the crew as figures in the landscape of the series universe,
> do you just see the characters, or the landscape as well? Dropping them
> into another universe is a bit like dumping Nazi stormtroopers in ancient
> Rome - they don't belong. If you rate the landscape as highly as the
> figures (especially if you believe as I do that character is shaped at least
> as much by socio-cultural factors as by anything innate in the individual)
> then the background is integral to the characters and not to be lightly
> tinkered with.
But then you can build your story around the fact that they don't belong. I
don't normally go a bomb on crossovers either, but I think most of us indulge at
some point. 'Morgan' was mine. I think it may have worked for the rather
improbable reason that nobody knew the series. In other words, I couldn't
assume any familiarity on the reader's part, but info-dumping would have made
for a very dull story. The constraints forced me to really think about what I
was writing.
The other type of crossover is 'in the style of'. I've seen hilarious B7
written in the style of Winnie the Pooh and I believe Neil's next zine has Chris
Blenkarn's story in the style of 'Diary of a Nobody'. (From Blake's POV and
well worth reading)
Judith
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:00:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
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On Sun 20 Jun, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> Julie Horner wrote, re sensornet discs:
> >You had to keep your eyes shut for them to work so maybe the
> >walking around wouldn't be such a good idea let alone the
> >machinery.
>
> Not necessarily. We saw people shutting their eyes to fully experience the
> sensory input, but that doesn't preclude it filtering through as a kind of
> sensory muzak. Not that it really matters unless you're writing a story
> that revolves around sensornet input.
>
> More pertinently perhaps, was such equipment available within the
> Federation? And if so, was it there for everyone, or restricted? It's the
> closest thing in the series to the sim/stim of William Gibson's Neuromancer
> and associated fiction (where there is a flourishing market in legal and
> illegal stims, with many professional, educational and leisure applications.
> The sensornet in Deathwatch is pretty close to the 'rider' chip that figures
> so prominently in Neuromancer, and not so far away from the situation in The
> Winter Market where a disabled woman sells her - suitably edited and
> polished - dreams to an enthusiastic audience). Once again the series
> throws up a one-off example of a technology that could drastically alter the
> entire fabric of society if it was shown to be widely extant.
The nastiest known use of the technology in fanfic is in a story in Liberator
Fantasies, 'Expendable'. Definately not one for the faint-hearted. The premise
is that the technology can be used to force your sensations onto another.
Mental rape.
Judith
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 07:45:17 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Potential crossovers
Message-ID: <PeqUvFA93Ib3EwdI@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <007801bebac8$697edd60$ee468cd4@default>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>If you think of the crew as figures in the landscape of the series universe,
>do you just see the characters, or the landscape as well? Dropping them
>into another universe is a bit like dumping Nazi stormtroopers in ancient
>Rome - they don't belong. If you rate the landscape as highly as the
>figures (especially if you believe as I do that character is shaped at least
>as much by socio-cultural factors as by anything innate in the individual)
>then the background is integral to the characters and not to be lightly
>tinkered with.
But that in itself can be interesting. There's a crossover in the latest
Southern Comfort where Avon encounters alien technology that dumps him
into the Star Trek universe just as USS Voyager happens to be going
past. It's an excuse for hetsmut, but it's also interesting to see how
Avon reacts to being in a place and time where he's relatively safe -
and it's also interesting to see how the Voyager crew react to the idea
that their, to them, very dangerous world is regarded as a safe refuge.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 08:56:52 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Survivors
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Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>Do you people out there think that that would be a
>reasonable thing to do?
I think it would be a wonderful thing to do. Not quite as much fun,
perhaps, as having the listbot exterminate via neutron blasters anyone who
sends multipart postings to a mailing list, but probably more workable.
- Lisa
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:06:21 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Gavin M Rymill <gavin@rymillhouse.freeserve.co.uk>,
Paula Robinson <Paula.Robinson@RCN.ORG.UK>,
Richard Norman <Richard.Norman@rbi.co.uk>,
Steve Hannington <steveh@tivoli.demon.co.uk>,
Space City <space-city@world.std.com>,
Redemption <redemption@smof.demon.co.uk>,
Louise Badsey <louise@eldingo.demon.co.uk>,
Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
Michaela Upton <masque.talonthorne@virgin.net>,
maxine perella <maxinep@qpp.co.uk>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption pix
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Some of the pix jem ward took at Redemption are now up on my web site.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
"What is it with you and holes?"
Xena to Gabrielle, Paradise Found
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 14:37:07 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
Cc: b7 <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Netiquette
Message-ID: <J4F1WqAD6Ob3Ewe1@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <usg13ntez3.fsf@sara.lysator.liu.se>, Calle Dybedahl
<calle@lysator.liu.se> writes
>I'm thinking of seeing if I can get the listbot to automatically reject
>multipart postings. Do you people out there think that that would be a
>reasonable thing to do?
I think it would be absolutely wonderful if the listbot rejected
anything that wasn't plain ASCII. That includes people posting with
not-the-standard character sets.
It would be nice if it rejected upside down posting and overly long sigs
as well, but that's probably too much to ask.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:30:06 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
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On Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 10:09:39AM +0100, Alison Page wrote:
> This was a great analysis of cross-overs, Kathryn. I'd never thought it
> through like that.
Thankee, Ma'am!
> >what I like about good crossovers ... to treat
> >Our Heros (from whichever universe) as if they were guest-stars from
> >the other characters' point-of-view.
>
> This is so true. It's like 'a familiar object seen from an unfamiliar
> angle'. You throw the character of (say) Blake into stark relief by putting
> him into a new context, and emphasise how (for example) eccentric or lonely
> and driven he is. The readers see him with new eyes, with any luck.
Exactly.
It can be a challenge to figure out (a) how someone else would see
them and (b) how they would react to these different
people/circumstances -- and still making sure that they stay in
character. But it's a worthwhile challenge.
How *would* the straightlaced Trek people react to a bunch of pirates
- which could be how they see the Blake's 7 folk at first glance
(especially in the later seasons)
How would Servalan react to the 4th Doctor? Or the 7th, particularly
if he decided to play the clown? "The man is a fool, have him shot."
Or would she be more perceptive than that?
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:09:14 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tapes
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From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tapes
>Fab Films seem to have got wind of our Pick Your Own Photo >competition
(the silly version). I'd better have another look at >Terminal... that
picture is an out-take, isn't it?
'Fraid not.
> I know the Links were silly, but this is
>ridiculous! I got quite hysterical in the shop when I saw it, but the
>assistants didn't seem to notice.
Exactly my reaction but they really are that bad.
Julie Horner
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:29:05 -0700
From: "LaughingRain" <LaughingRain@prodigy.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Apology
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I am very sorry for the trouble I cause with the post. It was my first post
since re subbing for the list and I forgot to turn off my stationary.
If I may be forgiven, I was posting that I'm going to be getting "Survivors"
by Terry Nation from Amazon.com after a 2-3 year wait. I didn't think they
held on that long, but they sent me comfirmation this week.
Sorry again for the post.
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:19:48 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>, Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Moon cycles
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Can anyone help me with a story I'm writing for Kathryn's B7 and Buffy
crossover zine. What I want to know are what the moon cycles have been
in California (which I presume is where Sunnydale is meant to be) for
the past two weeks. Literally, my story is set in Sunnydale in the two
weeks up to the summer solstice in 1999.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
"What is it with you and holes?"
Xena to Gabrielle, Paradise Found
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:32:44 -0500
From: Beth Friedman <bjf@wavefront.com>
To: space-city@world.std.com, Space City <space-city@world.std.com>,
Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: SC: Moon cycles
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At 10:19 PM 6/20/99 +0100, Steve Rogerson wrote:
>Can anyone help me with a story I'm writing for Kathryn's B7 and Buffy
>crossover zine. What I want to know are what the moon cycles have been
>in California (which I presume is where Sunnydale is meant to be) for
>the past two weeks. Literally, my story is set in Sunnydale in the two
>weeks up to the summer solstice in 1999.
The moon cycle is the same no matter where in the world you are. It
doesn't vary by location.
--
"UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are."
Beth Friedman
bjf@wavefront.com
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:51:50 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Moon cycles
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Steve Rogerson wrote:
>What I want to know are what the moon cycles have been
>in California (which I presume is where Sunnydale is meant to be) for
>the past two weeks.
What do you mean by "moon cycles"? If you're talking about the phase of the
moon, that doesn't vary based on your location on earth -- it's the same in
California as it is anywhere else. First quarter is today, new moon was the
13th, last quarter was the 6th.
If you're talking about something like rising and setting times, I'd have
to check further.
- Lisa
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:45:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
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--- Sally Manton <smanton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> BTW, what about that awful Australian air hostess -
> Tegan, was it? At least she *mightn�t* complain
about
> teleport duty - but if she did in that voice, even
> Blake would have to give in.
Most assuredly, says she who hadn't realised Tegan's
voice was so awful until she downloaded a quote and
found herself listening to the full horror of it.
I did read (in Doctor Who Magazine, probably) that
Janet Fielding did have to bung it on a bit, after
living in Britain for some time, but I can well
imagine several members of the Liberator crew (and the
Scorpio, if it comes to that) being rather acid about
the sonic qualities of her voice. <shrug> And I'm
supposed to be used to hearing accents similar to
that!
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:52:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]
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--- Katling <katling@primus.com.au> wrote:
> And Ace + Dayna would be a fantastic combo. ;)
> Someone write it? Please??
<grin> My God, and I'm one of these misguided people
who think Dayna's too damn young for him!
> Dayna and Leela? Now those two could go well. ;)
Ahem, you don't think Leela's dangerous enough
already? <grin>
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Warlord" in frame capture library
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--- Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net> wrote:
> "Warlord" has been added to my Video Frame Capture
> Library.
Oh brilliant! Our very own copies of those hairdos!
More seriously, thanks.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:03:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
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--- AdamWho@aol.com wrote:
> An earlier message mentioned crew members wanting to
> kill Sarah Jane. Would it be herecy to admit Sarah
> Jane is my favorite Doctor Who companion?
Someone with taste, at least in my opinion <smile>
> I think Cally and Sarah would get along very well,
> she'd get along with Blake and Gan as well. Since
> Sarah knew a lot about coping with stormy
> personalities, she might even get along with Avon.
Tolerated, maybe. Being a journalist, she'd want to
ask a hell of lot of questions, and our dear Avvy
doesn't have that high a patience threshhold for that
sort of thing.
Regards
Joanne
(who feels she's in danger of anorakdom, when it comes
to Doctor Who)
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:07:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
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--- Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au> wrote:
> How would Servalan react to the 4th Doctor? Or the
> 7th, particularly if he decided to play the clown?
> "The man is a fool, have him shot." Or would she be
> more perceptive than that?
Depends on whether you think Servalan is more like
Lady Peinforte, or more like Chessene (the character
Jacqueline Pearce actually played in Doctor Who). Or a
possible amalgam, if it comes to that...
Regards
Joanne
(who really must "shut up" now and get on with some
work)
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:00:07 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
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Ellynne wrote:
>> Once again the series
>>throws up a one-off example of a technology that could drastically
>>alter the
>>entire fabric of society if it was shown to be widely extant.
>
>So true. If nothing else, was there a bustling business in recorded,
>past duels? There didn't seem to be any reason there shouldn't be, but
>entertainment expert Vila didn't know about any or he wouldn't have been
>surprised by the nature of the duel.
The crew were expecting vast crowds and general partying, so it may be that
using the sensornet in duels was a relatively recent innovation. It
certainly wasn't a mandatory requirement, since Tarrant could quite
legitimately fight a duel without it. Deeta speaks of it as if he's only
recently had it implanted (and not just to give us an infodump, oh dearie me
no...)
Neil
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:00:27 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
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Adam wrote:
>An earlier message mentioned crew members wanting to kill Sarah Jane.
Would
>it be herecy to admit Sarah Jane is my favorite Doctor Who companion?
Oi - hands off. She's mine.
You can have Adric. Post-Earthshock.
:)
Neil
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:56:50 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers
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Kathryn wrote:
+AD4-Well, I think you could actually have three categories here, two of
+AD4-which you're lumping together. One is parodies. The second is
+AD4-serious crossovers. And the third is character insertion - that is,
+AD4-as you say, the characters are +ACI-readily transplantable to other times
+AD4-and places+ACI-.
Possible misunderstanding - by the 'two approaches' I meant regarding the
legitimacy of crossovers. The first is No Crossovers, Please, I'm An
Earnest Git, the second is Hey, Cool Characters - Where Can I Put Them?
+AD4-
+AD4-The thing is, with a type-2 crossover, you aren't transplanting the
+AD4-characters away from their universe at all. You find the things in
+AD4-common between the two universes which allow you to say +ACI-this is the
+AD4-same universe+ACI-. Many universes are incompatible, but compatible
+AD4-enough that they might belong to the same multiverse, if one or
+AD4-another of them actually allows for the concept of a multiverse (such
+AD4-as Star Trek or Doctor Who). But some universes are completely
+AD4-incompatible, and attempting to cross them over is a violation of
+AD4-their integrity. Unfortunately enough people do so anyway that I can
+AD4-readily understand why so many people don't like crossovers. Even a
+AD4-multiversal crossover is weaker than one in which you can make the
+AD4-universes unite.
I think the multiverse idea can only really work - and retain consistency
with the original source - if the multiverse concept is already there in
that source. With B7, it isn't.
I don't think I could take a serious crossover of B7 with -anything-. At
least, I could never take it seriously. A non-serious one is another matter
entirely.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:59:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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--- Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> wrote:
> Oi - hands off. She's mine.
> You can have Adric. Post-Earthshock.
> :)
<grin> Such selfishness. Adric was a bit difficult to
love before, let alone after. Doesn't Adam get a
better offer? Harry Sullivan perhaps (not that I'm
expecting that one to be warmly received either...)
Speaking of which, how long would it be before Harry
found himself being forceably escorted to the airlock
by Avon, or Soolin, or even Tarrant? I can see Vila
taking bets.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:29:52 GMT
From: kminne@camtech.net.au (Ken Minne)
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] A silly Star Trek Crossover for the amusement of the list
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Good day all,
With all the talk of crossovers, I thought I might try my own.
Some members of this list may have seen, dating back I don't know how
long, a Star Trek/Battlestar Galactica crossover flaoting around on
the Net, which ends up with just about everybody involved, such as the
Hitchhiker Guide characters, Star Wars etc. Two of the most notable
exclusions, were Babylon 5, which was probably just a twinkle in JMS's
eye, and yes, you guessed it, our favourites, Blake and co.
Since I don't know who the original author was to complain about this
exclusion, I was inspired ( if that was the right word ) to write a
sequel.
Enterprise E vs Liberator.
by Walter Minne
Part One ( now there is a terrible thought to start with >;-) )
Gareth Thomas walked on to the Bridge of the Liberator. Paul Darrow
looked up from his task of applying a long piece of gaffer tape to the
top of his console.
Paul : Hey Blake! I thought you made sure in your last contract that
you were dead, so you would not come back
Gareth : I did but when the guy in the black suit offered me this new
contract I couldn't refuse.
Paul : Which explains why they had to get us to put this old Liberator
set back together. I told them to leave you out of it and to spend the
money on some decent props and special effects.
Jackie Pearce wanders on to the bridge. Both Paul and Gareth start in
surprise.
Jackie : But then it would not be Blake's Seven, would it?
Gareth and Paul together : Right.
Enterpirse E:
Picard and Company ride the bumps of the temporal transference, which
after what the ship has been through, is hardly more than a poor
quality vibrotoner.
Suddenly, the ship lurches harder than usual, and the screens go crazy
with whatever effects the apprentice in charge of the Video toaster
thinks is cool today.
Data begins cursing and swearing in several languages, including
Klingon and Romulan.
Picard : DATA!! This is a family show, and we must keep some
standards.
Data : Sorry sir, My emotion chip just got the better of me for a
moment there. It was the most intense feeling of Deja vu. Besides,
isn't this script supposed to end here with a happy ending?
Picard : I don't know. Anyway see if you work out where we are this
time. Mr Worf, what is our tactical status?
Riker in an aside : Deanna, do you sense what I think that you are
thinking?
Deanna : I sense everyone not on the bridge but who was aboard the old
Enterprise when we encountered the Battlestar Galactica going "Oh no,
not again."
Picard : Oh no, not more meddling higher dimesional beings. I thought
that Q was going to get them to leave us alone.
Worf, growling with glee : Sir, we are in excellent shape. Not only
has all damage to the ships systems been fully repaired and restocked,
we now have a full quota of Expendable Crewbeings (tm) and Expendable
Love Interests (tm). Request permission to go use the Holodeck.
Picard : Permission denied. We have too many sole parent families on
this show already.
Worf, under breath : GRRRR
Data : I have determined where and when we are sir.
Picard : All right, tells us the joyous news
Data : We are in the Earth solar system, and the date, in the old
reckoning is 1999 AD. Sir, Was that an attempted at sarcasm?
Picard : Yes, I wanted to see how low things could go around here.
On the flightdeck of the Liberator, which is has been transformed to
as good as the day it was made.:
Vila : Tarrant, Cally, Dayna, Gan, Jenna, Soolin, Blake, Avon, Orac
and Zen, meet Zen, Orac, Avon, Blake, Soolin, Jenna, Gan, Dayna,
Cally, and Tarrant.
Servalan, entering the bridge : You weren't going to forget about me
were you Vila?
Everybody except Avon and Soolin leap for a Liberator gun, In
confusion, they find that there are none there. Soolin draws her clip
gun and covers Servalan. Avon merely smiles.
Dayna : Where did all ?.
Blake : Give me a?.
Cally : I'll ...
Tarrant : No! Me first ....
Gan : Too bad, I can't kill her anyway.
Jenna : Keep your hands off!!
Vila : Ouch !
Avon, in response to a look from Soolin : I checked already. The Fans
keep knocking them off. Anyway, since Servalan is here, I doubt that
your gun is working either.
Soolin, pulls trigger, Servalan smiles : Pity.
Zen : Information : Liberator has established antiorbital positioning
above the Planet Earth. Science instrumentation indicates that the
current date is one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine years Anno
Dommini. Circumstantial evidence indicates that this is not your home
universe. Investigation of this phenomena is continuing.
Avon : Orac! Can you explain what is going on?
Orac : Yes I can, but to do so would wreck the suspense and tension
that this script has done so little to build up.
Servalan : I can explain what is going on here.
Blake : What?
Avon : But could we believe it?
Dayna : I think she is lying.
Tarrant : Even Servalan tells the truth sometimes.
Dayna : Like the earth moved for her too, I'll bet.
Tarrant : But that was on the planet Vrin.
Vila : I think we should run away.
Gan : Look what happened the last time you tried that.
Vila : I still think we should run away.
Everyone : Shut up Vila!
Vila to himself as he wanders off the bridge : Now where was that
Auto-cocktail bar
Jenna : I think we should hear what she has to say.
Avon : We can always ignore it.
Blake : Okay Servelan, tell us what you have got.
Servelan : We have been brought here to attack and destroy a
Federation ship.
Blake : So you want us to do your dirty work for you. What did he do,
turn down a date?
Servalan : I have never met the man.
Avon : Lucky guy.
Tarrant : Dayna, are you still bitching to Avon about Vrin?
Dayna : ( Elbows Tarrant in the ribs ) Who shall I kill first, you or
her?
Blake : Will you two shut up! I am trying to find out what is going on
here.
Avon : Hoo-ray!! You were lying Servelan.
Servalan : ( pouts, looks innocent and hurt, ) Avon, I have to tell
you that the ship is the flagship of the Federation fleet and its
captain and crew are heroes of the Federation, fine outstanding role
models for everyone in the fleet and watching at home.
Blake : Orac, what is the probability that Servelan is telling the
truth?
Orac : In so far as that the truth is what the writer decides it is,
the probability is one hundred percent.
Confused babble of voices erupts.
Out it emerges two fragments
Probability of truthfullness on vrin is zero.
Damn bitch
Babble is cut short by Alarm sounding,
Blake : What is it, Zen?
ZEN : Information : Unidentified spacecraft approaching. Design
unknown, Weaponry and Propulsion also unknown.
Blake : Battlestations everyone. Jenna take the con.
Jenna goes for the piloting chair. So does Tarrent. They glare across
the chair, then Blake deftly steps between them and takes the
controls.
Blake : Its okay children, I will do it.
Avon, from sensor station : Zen, high resolution sensor scan.
Vila : We can still run away.
Blake : Vila, just clear the neutron blasters for firing.
Soolin : Aren't we forgetting something.
Gan : We could try to talk to them.
Back aboard the Enterpise,
Worf : Sir, I have detected another space vehicle in orbit around
Earth.
Data : Earth was flying its own spacecraft in this time period.
Worf : It does not match any known configuration or species. They
appear aware of us and are changing bearing towards us.
Picard : Open a hailing frequency, Mr Worf.
Riker : Captain, Isn't that just a little bit predicable. We always do
that.
Picard : I know, but I know I look good getting up and saying this.
Aboard the Liberator :
Zen : Information :Communications circuits and translator units have
decoded a transmission from the other ship.
Blake : Put it through thanks Zen.
Image of Picard appears on the main veiwer.
"This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Federation Star Ship
Enterprise. .."
Blake : Zen, Fire at will.
Part Two
View of the Enterprise and Liberator above Earth.
The Liberator fires Nuetron Blasters, hitting the Enterprise.
The Enterprise E explodes in a thousand pieces.
Picard awakens in a bright light.
Q is there.
Q : Picard, You disappoint me.
Picard : Q, What are you doing here?
Q : Just another little matter of saving your life again. When will
you learn that it is a dangerous and hostile multiverse out there.
Just because you are the big cheeses in your little span of creation
does not mean that in another you are not just plain targets.
Picard : I get sick of the number of times that you have taken us
against our wills and put us in mortal danger in your sense of play.
Q : Sorry Picard, it is not my doing. It seems that those meddling
higher dimensional beings forgot to include someone when you faced off
against the Battlitica Staralaxy or what ever it was. They have
brought you here for a fight to the death, and what happens, the poor
little Federation flagship gets blown out of the sky with out firing a
shot.
Picard : They fired first, with out warning.
Q : Did I say I expected it to be fair fight?
Picard : But ..
Q : But nothing Picard, you were brought here to display the benefits
of useless plots, huge special effects budgets and the American way
against some upstarts who make whole seasons for less than what is
costs you to get out of bed in the morning.
Picard : So we, and presumably they, are being used to satisfy
someone's search for entertainment?
Q : Well, seeing the Enterprise blown up does have a good effect on
the ratings.
Picard : And if we refuse to fight?
Q : Then I start doing requests for how you get done over each time.
Picard : But can't we reason this out.
Q : Picard, you have not under stood anything yet. You have to go out
there and try to kick their butts.
Picard : But
Q , Fading away : Try and last a bit longer this time, I am only
getting a percentage of the advertising revenue, and Expendable Inc,
haven't been able to run an add yet.
Picard opens his eyes and is back on the bridge of the Enterprise.
On board the Liberator :
Avon : - so we get a slice of the take for each time we take out this
Enterprise.
Servalan : and a chance to show the Americans how to do sci-fi
properly.
Blake : Sounds like easier money than what I was doing on Gauda Prime.
On the Bridge of the Enterprise
Picard : Alright, lets try this, this time.
Riker : This time? We have never seen anything like this before.
Picard : Never mind Number One, Deanna see if you can read them
empathically.
On the Liberator
Cally suddenly starts screaming : NO! NO !! NOT AGAIN!!
Blake : What is it Cally?
Cally, pale and trembling : It was in my mind, a telepathic presence
like nothing I have ever felt before. It wanted to know everything
about us, who we are, where did we come from, and how much are they
paying us ?
Blake : Zen, fire at will!
End of Part Two
I would now like to throw the field open for comments and suggestions.
Anybody got any other suggestions as to how the forces of huge special
effects and soppy moralising can meet their match at the hands of our
motley crew.
Deanna vs Dayna
Must be something to be made out of the similarity of the names and
that Marina Siritis considered the role.
Data Vs Avon
After 10 minutes with Avon, Data would be cured of his quest for
humanity.
Data Vs Orac
Our trusting fools from the big E, steal a tarriel cell to analyse the
technology, so Geordie wires Data up to it. Hello Orac.
Servalan Vs Picard
At close quarters.
Riker Vs Jenna Vs Tarrant
for who is the best pilot.
Gan Vs any Red Shirt
Gan can't kill, and the Red Shirt can't survive.
Catch you later,
Walter Minne
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:38:35 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Netiquette
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At 02:37 PM 6/20/99 +0100, Julia Jones wrote:
>It would be nice if it rejected upside down posting and overly long sigs
>as well, but that's probably too much to ask.
Also bad spelling, egregious apostrophe misuse, failure to appreciate
Travis II, odd quoting styles, false syllogisms, questionable political
stances, any implication that the sender is sitting at the keyboard wearing
nothing but black socks and a Federation trooper's mask, any ink other than
black or blue-black on unlined white stationery, any mention of Robbie
Coltrane in leather trousers, any reference to the M*y*rs-Br*ggs
personality test, Whovianism, Buffy-baiting, Xenaphelia, failure to
appreciate Travis II, repetitiousness, pretentiousness, flippancy, inanity,
drool, and fake names.
--Penny "Particularly Ones With Silly Snippets Inserted In The Middle Of
Them" Dreadful
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:05:57 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential crossovers (was Flat Robin #45 - Part 1 of 6)
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On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:03:12 -0700 (PDT) J MacQueen
<jomacqueen@yahoo.com> writes:
>--- AdamWho@aol.com wrote:
. Would it be herecy to admit Sarah
>> Jane is my favorite Doctor Who companion?
>
>Someone with taste, at least in my opinion <smile>
>> Sarah knew a lot about coping with stormy
>> personalities, she might even get along with Avon.
>
>Tolerated, maybe. Being a journalist, she'd want to
>ask a hell of lot of questions, and our dear Avvy
>doesn't have that high a patience threshhold for that
>sort of thing.
But maybe someone would remind him how journalists have helped make
stories public that helped bring down dictators and (more importantly in
his opinion) ruin the lives and careers of just the sort of people Avon
may have grudges against?
Ellynne
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:26:53 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Deathwatch
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On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 04:00:07 +0100 "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
writes:
>The crew were expecting vast crowds and general partying, so it may be
>that
>using the sensornet in duels was a relatively recent innovation. It
>certainly wasn't a mandatory requirement, since Tarrant could quite
>legitimately fight a duel without it.
Tarrant was fighting his duel for personal reasons and wasn't the
champion representing a planet's cause and interests. Different rules
may have applied.
Deeta speaks of it as if he's
>only
>recently had it implanted
I understood it as Deeta (why would anyone name a child Deeta? Aren't
there laws against this kind of thing? But at least he isn't Data
[although the crossover people may speculate (yes, this does suggest
there were _two_ androids dueling. It also suggests Del Tarrant's real
name is Lore)]) having the implant put in just before the fight so
everyone could listen in. Outside of the official duels, he may have
been under no obligation to walk around with an implant--or anything
else--occupying empty space in his head (what can I say, I don't think
well of people who make a living as duelers).
Ellynne
>Neil
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:09:51 GMT
From: dixonm@access.mountain.net (Meredith Dixon)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Sun, 16 May 1999 13:26:53 -0600, Ellyne wrote:
>I understood it as Deeta (why would anyone name a child Deeta? Aren't
>there laws against this kind of thing?
Surely it's a later form of the German name "Dieter", as "Roj" is
of "Roger".
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