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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 240
Today's Topics:
RE: [B7L] Blake's Seven 3D Computer Models
[B7L] [Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>] bye for now
[B7L] Curt Holland short story now out
Re: [B7L] Blake's Seven 3D Computer Models
Re: [B7L] [Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>] bye for now
[B7L] Question
Re: [B7L] Question
Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
RE: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
[B7L] I'm baaaack........
Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
RE: [B7L] Blake's Seven 3D Computer Models
RE: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:25:36 -0500
From: Reuben Herfindahl <rherf@tursso.com>
To: "'michael.cugley@virgin.net'" <michael.cugley@virgin.net>
Cc: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Blake's Seven 3D Computer Models
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> >Would anyone happen to have, or know where to find, 3D
> Computer models of
> >Blake's Seven ships, props, etc? Both Star Trek and Star
> Wars have large
> >compendiums of models for just about any 3D graphics package
> you could
> >name, and I was sort of hoping B7 might have one squirrelled away...
> >
I've never found a resource, and haven't had the time to do one myself.
However, if you are thinking about doing one, I would be very interested in
seeing the results. What program would you use? And would you make your
models available on the net, not just rendrings made from the models?
If you haven't picked a package yet, I would highly recommend Lightwave.
Wonderful program, and a bit of an industry standard.
Reuben
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Date: 05 Aug 1999 21:17:11 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] [Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>] bye for now
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Hi all,
I am skating into a busy patch and must unsub my lists for a month.
Have enjoyed reading all your posts greatly.
Happy summer. (For the Aussies, happy winter!)
Bye, Pat
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:33:26 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Curt Holland short story now out
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Barbara's just announced that the new Curt Holland short story is
available to buy. Details from the webpage:
A New Short Story Featuring Curt Holland
by Barbara Paul
The story is called "Clean Sweep" -- and it's meant to demonstrate
Holland's own twisty form of morality at work. What he does during an
investigation of the death of a sweepstakes winner is not quite legal,
but not quite unethical either. I regret to inform you that there is no
Beautiful Suffering in this story, alas. But someone does try to kill
Holland -- will that do?
"Clean Sweep" appears in A New York State of Crime, edited by Feroze
Mohammed, published by Worldwide, 1999; ISBN 0-373-26317-1. This book is
a paperback omnibus edition; "Clean Sweep" is tucked in after a pair of
novels by Michael Jahn and Dorian Yeager. A lot of reading for six
bucks.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:37:08 EDT
From: Carolyn772@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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http://mateengreenway.simplenet.com/main.htm
Is this what you're looking for? (I use one of the Liberator's as wallpaper.)
Carolyn
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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:50:18 -0700
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [B7L] [Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>] bye for now
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>Happy summer. (For the Aussies, happy winter!)
>Bye, Pat
Oh yes but for those interested, she will be at NASFIC in Anaheim at the
end of the month. Watch for us. We will be vampire and slayer. You
should see Pat as Puffy the Vampire Slayer. <giggle>
Hugs,
Tramila
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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:10:35 -0700
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Question
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I'm working on a story and need some information. Is there a different word
for mosquito on the other side of the Altantic?
Thank you for the information.
Tramila
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Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptible Element
Am I corruptible? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
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Risa's Rebels (Sime~Gen)
The only safe way is theTecton way.
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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:22:17 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Tramila wrote:
>I'm working on a story and need some information. Is there a different word
>for mosquito on the other side of the Altantic?
The other side from where? (FWIW, my British-American dictionary doesn't
list it as something which needs to be translated, to either side of the pond.)
- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
From Eroica With Love: http://eroica.simplenet.com/
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:34:01 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
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Just back from my hols (yes I did have a good time, thank you - very hard to
have a -bad- time when there's four Little Egrets chasing each other around
right under my nose), and I can't resist pitching in on this one.
Like Hellen, I am not entirely satisfied with the bio-babble in Killer, in
fact I've been pretty pissed off with it for a long time. I doubt if I can
lay claim to Hellen's level of expertise, but I do know a -little- bit about
the subject.
For me, the whole problem lies in Bellfriar's description of the Terran
Ague, specifically the bit about deep space flight 'slightly altering the
body's nucleic structure'. (I suspect Holmes slipped in the 'slightly' in a
feeble attempt to cover himself.) What does this mean?
The obvious answer to me is changes to the structure of the cell nucleus.
Virtually all animal cells (red blood corpuscles being an exception) possess
a nucleus, which consists of
a) the nucleoplasm, ie genetic material (DNA) normally in a dispersed state.
b) the nucleolus, consisting mainly of ribonucleoprotein, which as I
understood it is used to manufacture ribosomes, the organelles which play a
fundamental role in manufacturing proteins from the DNA.
c) the nuclear envelope, a double membrane which is made up of lipid (fat)
and protein. It has complex pores connecting the nucleoplasm and the
cytoplasm in the cell outside the nucleus.
Of these three, I at first suspected that the least likely to be the cause
of the Terran Ague is (a), the nucleoplasm itself. As Hellen rightly
pointed out, this would have hereditary effects, at least if germ cells were
affected. (One implication is that the children of those who had ventured
into space might be immune to the Terran Ague themselves.) Personally, I
favour (c), a change in the structure of the nuclear envelope. This is
because the alien virus, Paratype 926, induces the cells to burst
(cytolysis?), suggesting a breakdown of communication between the cell and
its nucleus. This could arise (though I'm guessing, I freely admit) from a
blockage of the pores in the nuclear envelope - the cell continues to grow,
but the nucleus is not triggered into its mitotic state and does not
initiate cell division.
But - I suspect that the nuclear envelope is not a permanent structure, but
constantly under renewal. If so, then change in the structure of the
nuclear envelope therefore implies a change in either the DNA sequences in
which the NE structure is encoded, or the ribosomes which transcribe the NE
proteins from the DNA. Either is a candidate for the change in 'nucleic
structure' cited by Bellfriar. Not that I seriously believe that either is
possible, and ultimately Holmes was spouting gobbledegook IMO, but I'm not a
molecular biologist.
One thing I do note - Wanderer K47 was a sublight vessel ('infraluminal' was
the term used in the episode) so it was not faster-than-light travel that
induced the Terran Ague. So what -was- the cause? Acceleration to
near-light speed velocities? Exposure to zero gravity? Maybe someone
should tell Buzz Aldrin to see his physician right now...
(Source: DeRobertis, EDP, and DeRobertis, EMF - Cell And Molecular Biology,
7th Edition, Holt-Saunders 1980 (so twenty years out of date for starters))
Neil
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:42:04 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
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Neil wrote:
> One thing I do note - Wanderer K47 was a sublight vessel ('infraluminal'
> was
> the term used in the episode) so it was not faster-than-light travel that
> induced the Terran Ague. So what -was- the cause? Acceleration to
> near-light speed velocities? Exposure to zero gravity? Maybe someone
> should tell Buzz Aldrin to see his physician right now...
>
The people on board of that ship didn't necessarily have to have died of the
virus themselves. They only had to be infected with it so they could infect
others in turn. I haven't seen the episode for some months, but if I
remember correctly they looked mummyfied, without any sign of the big
blisters on their bodies that showed on everyone who died in this ep. So
it's entirely possible that these people were killed by the aliens and then
infected with the virus (or the other way around). We know they were
tampered with somehow, since the rest of the people who died didn't get up
again to choke their buddies :-). Of course that leaves open the question of
how the aliens would have known about the Terran Ague when there were still
only sublight vessels available. One possible explanation is that they were
caught after faster-than-light travel had been invented. They would have had
to be travelling at near-light speed velocities to get anywhere before they
died of old age, which means a great deal of time might have passed on earth
between the time they left and the time they were caught. If the plague
really *was* designed only to keep humans from travelling in space, the
aliens might have infected them to make sure humans who'd never travelled
faster than light wouldn't be killed, then killed them to turn them into
bait when they were satisfied that the virus wouldn't cause them permanent
harm.
As for the Terran Ague being impossible, well, I don't know f**k all about
biochemistry, but weren't prions considered to be 'impossible' until a few
years ago? So I think we should perhaps be just a wee bit more careful using
the I-word. I'll grant you that it's extremely unlikely, though.
Jacqueline
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:42:09 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] I'm baaaack........
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Hi everyone,
I've been off writing fanfic for the past few weeks and as Penny so astutely
put it, that activity temporarily rotted my brain. But here I am again, and
I think I should start by replying to a few posts which I've saved for the
occasion.
Susan Riaz wrote:
<Teletubbies hold no fear for me - I have a toddler who tortures me with
them already! However, I quake at the thought of the comfy chair!>
You know Susan, for a while I'd gone soft, so I thought of letting you off
easy on an insanity plea. After all, none who have had to endure the
teletubbies for more than a week can still think straight. But then I firmed
up again. After all, us Finalacters are all insane, so that can't be
considered a good excuse for not recognising the sterling qualities of
Travis II, himself an accomplished lunatic.
So, after giving it much thought, I believe I have now found the perfect
torture method. It is such a horrible and hideous punishment that I hesitate
to even mention it on this list, but sometimes one has to be cruel to be
kind. And other times, one just has to be cruel.
So, Susan, get ready for the worst torture ever invented: the family photo
album. As you sit in the comfy chair, I will lovingly turn each page for
you, and with each photo I will in great detail tell you every cute little
thing that happened before, while and after that picture was taken. This
should take at least ten hours. Then, if you still haven't cracked, I will
go even further and start up the video for the home movies I've saved for
the occasion. I will say no more, as this is likely to upset those with weak
stomachs.
A while back I wrote:
<< We've had quite a few holy wars here already, about such deep subjects as
Travis' looks, Avon's looks, Tarrant's looks and who looks best (Travis II,
of course). <sigh> War is hell ;-).
>>
And Gail answered:
<Hey, hey, hey, we all know that Avon's cuter. Those eyes, those eyes.
<sigh!!!>>
Are you blind, woman? No-one fills out a uniform better than Travis. Or a
monks robe, for that matter. And as for eyes, the cutest eyes are no match
for an eyepatch. And Avon was never a match for Travis II when it came to
sheer ruthlessness.
Joanne wrote:
<Well, gladly, Sally, but I appear to have been compromised somewhat, seeing
as Jacqueline intends to nail a medal to my chest after what I said about
Travis II.>
Well, if you really don't like the idea of having it nailed to your chest,
I'm willing to use a stapler. But I should warn you that at Finalact, we
consider that to be the cowards way out.
Jacqueline,
withdrawing once again behind the piranha filled moat to try and finally
finish the damn story.
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:13:40 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Jacqueline wrote:
>Neil wrote:
>
>> One thing I do note - Wanderer K47 was a sublight vessel ('infraluminal'
>> was
>> the term used in the episode) so it was not faster-than-light travel that
>> induced the Terran Ague. So what -was- the cause? Acceleration to
>> near-light speed velocities? Exposure to zero gravity? Maybe someone
>> should tell Buzz Aldrin to see his physician right now...
>>
>The people on board of that ship didn't necessarily have to have died of
the
>virus themselves. They only had to be infected with it so they could infect
>others in turn.
I think you're getting your ducking miseases fuddled. The Terran Ague is
not the alien virus. The virus attacks cells that have had their nucleic
structure altered by the Terran Ague. Ergo the crew of K47 must have
suffered the Terran Ague before reaching 61 Cygni -in their infraluminal
vessel-. Ergo ergo exposure to faster-than-light travel is not a
prerequisite for suffering Terran Ague, but venturing beyond Earth -is-.
Ergo ergo ergo the purpose of the virus was to contain humanity on Earth.
The entry for Terran Ague in the Sevencyclopaedia (which I wrote so it must
be right:)) says that the condition affects anyone who travels in deep
space - no reference to speed at all.
I do agree, though, that the virus did not kill the crew of K47, but was
planted on them after they'd died.
Neil
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: sjk3@cornell.edu
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
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> I think you're getting your ducking miseases fuddled. The Terran Ague is
> not the alien virus. The virus attacks cells that have had their nucleic
> structure altered by the Terran Ague. Ergo the crew of K47 must have
> suffered the Terran Ague before reaching 61 Cygni -in their infraluminal
> vessel-. Ergo ergo exposure to faster-than-light travel is not a
> prerequisite for suffering Terran Ague, but venturing beyond Earth -is-.
> Ergo ergo ergo the purpose of the virus was to contain humanity on Earth.
>
> The entry for Terran Ague in the Sevencyclopaedia (which I wrote so it must
> be right:)) says that the condition affects anyone who travels in deep
> space - no reference to speed at all.
>
> Neil
It has occurred to me that perhaps it's passing through the Van
Allen Belt (either the belts themselves, or something outside the belt
that the belt kills/deactivates before it reaches Earth) that causes the
Terran Ague. Mind you, I can't think of anything logical that this would
do to the human body to make it susceptible to the alien plague, but it
would have the effect of keeping humans pretty much Earth-bound.
Sandra Kisner
sjk3@cornell.edu
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:18:24 +0100
From: Michael Cugley <michael.cugley@virgin.net>
To: Reuben Herfindahl <rherf@tursso.com>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Blake's Seven 3D Computer Models
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At 01:25 PM 8/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>What program would you use? And would you make your
>models available on the net, not just rendrings made from the models?
Well, the plan, such as it is, is to use Lightwave, and put the models on
the net (subject to the BBC lawyers coming after me with sticks) in a
variety of formats so as to be as useful to as many people as possible.
I checked out the site that Carolyn772 mentioned, but alas it doesn't seem
to contain models themselves... may email the owner to see what can be sent
:) Meanwhile I'm following the link to Horizon to buy technical manuals...
--
Mike Cugley, lunatic at large
http://freespace.virgin.net/michael.cugley/
http://freespace.virgin.net/michael.cugley/Art/
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:14:51 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Possible Federation Ender....
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Neil wrote:
> I think you're getting your ducking miseases fuddled. The Terran Ague is
> not the alien virus. The virus attacks cells that have had their nucleic
> structure altered by the Terran Ague. Ergo the crew of K47 must have
> suffered the Terran Ague before reaching 61 Cygni -in their infraluminal
> vessel-. Ergo ergo exposure to faster-than-light travel is not a
> prerequisite for suffering Terran Ague, but venturing beyond Earth -is-.
> Ergo ergo ergo the purpose of the virus was to contain humanity on Earth.
>
No I'm not getting any ducking miseases fuddled. The whole point of my
argument was that the crew of K47 *didn't* have to have suffered the Terran
Ague. They only had to carry the virus without being in any way affected by
it. The virus could have been smeared in a gel on the outside of that stuff
they were wearing that made them look like mummies.
> The entry for Terran Ague in the Sevencyclopaedia (which I wrote so it
> must
> be right:)) says that the condition affects anyone who travels in deep
> space - no reference to speed at all.
>
Ok, but where did you get that info? All I remember is the doc saying that
everyone who first travels in space gets it. But he would have said so even
if this only happened at FTL speeds, if that was the only way anyone ever
travelled in space. He simply wouldn't have bothered to mention the
difference for something that never happened anyway.
> I do agree, though, that the virus did not kill the crew of K47, but was
> planted on them after they'd died.
>
What, you agree with me? Must have done something wrong, then :-).
Jacqueline
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