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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 253
Today's Topics:
The Test (was Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.)
[B7L] ADMIN: Postings missing from the digest
Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
[B7L] Gareth photo - Sarah Sutton
[B7L] RB, call home...
Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
RE: [B7L] ADMIN: Postings missing from the digest
[B7L] Re: RB, call home...
Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
Re: [B7L] A Lyst fit for heroes?
Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
Re: [B7L] A Lyst fit for heroes?
Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
Re: [B7L] A Lyst fit for heroes? errata, sorry
[B7L] Orders for Neutral Zone
Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:12:21 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: The Test (was Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.)
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On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 08:50:21PM +0200, Calle Dybedahl wrote:
> "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > But perhaps Calle ought to put firstly some kind of entrance test. Like
> > follows, for example:
>
> I like the concept, but of couse I'd have to write the questions
> myself. Let's see here:
>
> 1) Servalan is...
> a) Sexy
> b) Scheming
> c) Evil
> d) All of the above
But you've got to give the clueless some obviously *wrong* answers to
tick...
> 2) The main bad guys in Blake's 7 are...
> a) The Terra Nostra
> b) The Federation
> c) Microsoft
> d) All of the above
Well, not as obviously wrong as option (C) - Microsoft is not
cannonical; if they were using Microsoft, the guy in The Way Back
wouldn't have been using a text terminal.... (-8
> 3) The sexiest person on the Liberator is...
> a) Gan
> b) Cally
> c) Orac
> d) All of the above (together, in a bathtub full of chocolate mousse)
All of the answers are wrong for this one, if one is a heterosexual
female.
> 4) The sexiest person outside the Liberator is...
> a) Servalan
> b) Servalan
> c) Servalan
> d) All of the above (together, in a bathtub full of chocolate mousse)
You forgot Carnell.
> 5) In "Orbit", when Avon was looking for Vila, he was...
> a) Serious
> b) Just kidding
> c) Completely bonkers
> d) All of the above
Hmmmm.
> 6) The proper reaction to the episode "Blake" is...
> a) Crying
> b) Getting very, very drunk
> c) Writing fanfic explaining why it didn't really happen
> d) All of the above (at the same time)
I'll add an obvious wrong answer here: (e) Watching some Trek to cheer
yourself up.
> So. Now make sure you all answer the questions. And get it right, or
> I'll just have to throw you all off the list!
Who, me, white man? (-8
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Date: 23 Aug 1999 06:06:57 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
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Due to a full disk some posts didn't make it into the digest version
of the list. I'm going to try to re-send them, so be prepared for weirdness.
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:15:57 -0700
From: Catharine Roussel <croussel@telusplanet.net>
To: Lysator B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Sally Manton wrote:
... some very interesting speculations as to why Blake did not contact
Liberator after Star One.
> 1] Blake did too send a message or two, but it got lost (it's a big
> and at this point fairly chaotic galaxy, after all...) and he gave up.
I find this an interesting idea, but for the presence of Orac, the
wonder box, on Liberator. If Blake sent a message surely Orac would
have heard it. Of course, there is always the possibility that Orac,
being his perverse self, received a message from Blake, but didn't
bother to tell anyone about it until asked firmly and directly for the
information.
> By the time he recovers enough to think
> about his ex-crew, it's been so long that he believes it to be pointless(he
> doesn't know they've been searching).
Sniff.("...goin' to the garden to eat worms...")
> Blake decided that if - *if* - any contact was to be made, it
> would have to come from Avon first. And could accept that that
> might never happen.
Quite possible. He did something like this once before in 'Trial',
leaving the crew to decide whether they wanted to pick him up again.
> 4] He wants shot of it - and them - all. No way.
Agreed. Blake does care dearly about the crew of the Liberator. Think
of how devastated he is when Cally is lost in Seek-Locate-Destroy, even
though they have just recently met. Blake is not a loner. He is a man
with no family and needs the security of having people around him that
he can trust. I can't see that he could easily walk away from anyone
that filled that role in his life.
> Any better ideas?
I don't know if it is better, but my pet theory on this one is that his
guilt and shame for his single-mindedness about the destruction of Star
One keeps him from contacting Liberator. In a way he is trying to
protect the galaxy from himself. His biggest gamble, the destruction of
Star One, caused a great deal of innocent suffering, to so little
advantage. Even with the added chaos of the Andromedan war, the
Federation did not crumble. Cally's words of warning would have run
through his head every time he saw or heard about another world, wrecked
when Star One blew up. Technically, it was the Andromedans that
destroyed Star One, but that would be small comfort to Blake, knowing
that he was equally willing to commit the act.
In 'Trial', his guilt nearly overwhelmed him when Gan died as a result
of his sigle-minded pursuit of Central control. Throughout that mission
there were a number of occasions where he knew he should have pulled
out, but continued to press on, despite Gan's own objections. The Star
One incident is a scaled-up version of the Central Control debacle,
where millions die instead of just one. By not contacting the Liberator,
Blake both forces himself to find another way to challenge the
Federation and punishes himself for his hubris by denying himself
contact with people that he has come to love and trust.
I hope this doesn't sound too soapy, but it's getting late, and it's
time to hit the send button.
Catharine
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:00:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
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On Sun 22 Aug, Sally Manton wrote:
> A question...why do people think that Blake never contacts the
> Liberator after the Andromedan War? I've been trying to work this
> out in my own mind, and have yet to come up with a satisfactory
> answer.
I usually assume the obvious - that his bracelet got stolen or damaged. I think
Zen actually said that the locator was damaged, so further damage seems highly
probable. That's the assumption that I usually work on when writing stories.
It was evident that Blake intended to return - why else agree to Avon taking him
to Earth?
Judith
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:43:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Gareth photo - Sarah Sutton
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Is anyone interested in photos from Soldiers of Love?
>
> Only FIVE EXCLUSIVE 8" x 10" colour photos, of Gareth Thomas and Sarah
> Sutton
> Signed by both stars.
> �25.00 (Includes UK P+P)
If anyone wants one, you can get them via me. Personally I think it sounds a
bit expensive, but others might feel differently and I know it helps to cover
the production costs on the CDs.
Judith
PS. I can handle some foreign currencies, but please check with me *first*
before sending foreign cheques.
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 02:46:59 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] RB, call home...
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A question...why do people think that Blake never contacts the
Liberator after the Andromedan War? I've been trying to work this
out in my own mind, and have yet to come up with a satisfactory
answer.
Yes, the obvious answer is that he wants to leave the ship to Avon,
and thinks Avon really wants *him* out of his life. But I can't accept
this. No way IMO does Blake really believe that Avon hates or even
dislikes him (well, not for more than twenty minutes, and that
because he's very tired and stressed). He's known for a looonnngg
time - since Time Squad - that he can rely on Avon's loyalty, which
comes straight from unacknowledged care; since Pressure Point and
that empty room that Avon cares a hell of a lot; and since Hostage
that Avon will actually put Blake's safety ahead of his own.
With his insight into the man, he can't have really thought Avon
wanted to be rid of him, certainly not after he had a good long (and
thoroughly deserved <g>) rest after Star One and could think
about it clearly. Perhaps he thinks that Avon *needs* to be apart
from him, but then what about the others? Surely he knows Cally
and Vila would like a reassurance, even if just to say "I'm fine, I've
got something new going, don't worry about me."
I've come up with a few possibilities -
1] Blake did too send a message or two, but it got lost (it's a big
and at this point fairly chaotic galaxy, after all...) and he gave up.
2] He was injured, remember. Yes, he told Zen he was all right (but
then he would, wouldn't he?) but he could have been further hurt
on landing wherever he did. By the time he recovers enough to think
about his ex-crew, it's been so long that he believes it to be pointless(he
doesn't know they've been searching).
3] He knew that Avon didn't honestly want to be rid of him, but also
that Avon honestly *believed* that he did, and wouldn't rethink his
position until he'd tried out the freedom he said he wanted. And
therefore Blake decided that if - *if* - any contact was to be made, it
would have to come from Avon first. And could accept that that
might never happen.
4] He wants shot of it - and them - all. No way. Avon may have driven
him up the wall at times, and Vila could be a pain, but he would
(and probably did) miss them afterwards. He had a warm, brotherly
relationship with Cally, and, despite Vila's carping and complaints,
clearly enjoyed his wit and humour. As for Avon - they do
*like* each other, they always have (notwithstanding that they
sometimes drive each other crazy <g>) and there's enough
evidence that he enjoyed Avon's stimulating if hard-to-keep-up-with
company most of the time (even when the man was dribving him
wild).
5] He just thinks they've (as Vila put it) 'done their share for freedom and
all that'. He may not have believed that Avon *wanted* to be free, but could
have taken that stab to heart enough to decide that they *ought* to be
free...of him *and* his cause, which he can't give up.
He may have just thought they'd be better off without him, but that if
they knew where he was, they wouldn't leave him (as evidenced by
Trial - Jenna and Vila, at least, thought about it, but in the end they
wanted him back). Even so, that wouldn't have precluded a message. Blake may
be arrogant, but he isn't conceited enough to believe that if he told them
they were free, they'd *insist* on sticking around.
Any better ideas?
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:24:41 +0100
From: "Deborah Day" <d.day@ukgateway.net>
To: "blakes7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
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>On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Steve Kilbane wrote:
>
>> > So. It appears, Neil, that you are one of Calle's mysterious "we"
tribe.
>>
>> It's all very well being one of "we", but it's much more fun being
>> one of "They".
>
>No, no. I want to be one of Calle's mysterious wee tribe. It sounds like
>such fun.
>
>Iain
Having read this whole correspondence on return from holiday, the question
of whether or not to advertise the lyst reminds me rather or the first
series of Blake's 7, where Zen was rather uncommunicative and would not help
the crew out, leaving them to figure out how to manage the controls for
themselves. Perhaps the fans who are new to computers need an Orac to
override all this and connect them straight to the sites that are most
appropriate for them and their tastes, whatever they may be. How about a
brain implant, like Gan's, except that it feeds in the messages they want to
hear?
What sort of people *do* we want to encourage anyway?
Debbie Day.
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:43:34 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
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In message <00f401beecb2$74cbce00$ec86bc3e@oemcomputer>, Deborah Day
<d.day@ukgateway.net> writes
>What sort of people *do* we want to encourage anyway?
Oddly enough, we've just been having a discussion on this subject in
demon.service - to quote from the thread, I asked Chris:
Define technical user.
Chris said in reply:
The above technical ISP might be one which advertises thus: "To create
an account, telnet to techisp.net on the default port and follow the
prompts. Use the account details created above with the appropriate
part of your operating system to configure a connection to dial 01234
567890. Note that we do not support header compression and the rest of
your IP settings can be found by telnetting to usersetup.techisp.net and
following the prompts. The mail and news servers are at
smtp.techisp.net, pop3.techisp.net and the news.techisp.net.
Information on account payment, T&C and useful status addresses can be
found at <URL:http://www.techisp.net/>. Please note that we do not have
a helpdesk but we do have a newsgroup to discuss issues. Anyone who
quotes upside down or posts HTML will be hunted down and executed".
Technical people would join. Non-technical people would be unable to
work it out. I daresay that would have ruled me out, some years back,
but I'd be eligible now.
And Ben said:
Well you just let anyone use it. But a report to the abuse department
would go like this:
clueful-customer> user "foo" looks clueless, do something
abuse> ok, we've closed his account, no lusers round here.
foo> why have you closed my account?
abuse> because you are a fuckwit. go to AOL where you belong. HTH HAND.
Definitions of clueless would include quoting upside-down, quoting the
whole article, using Outlook Express, complaining about broken servers
when it's blatantly obvious people are doing their best to fix it and
complaining will do no good whatsoever, etc. Could work quite nicely
:-)
Also, you charge a tenner a month like Demon do, most lusers will just
go to Freeserve anyway.
The above do look a little like the responses that can be provoked from
certain members of this list after a particularly bad outbreak of
clueless newbieism:-)
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"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:34:15 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
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Deborah Day wrote:
<Having read this whole correspondence on return from holiday, the question
of whether or not to advertise the lyst reminds me rather or the first
series of Blake's 7, where Zen was rather uncommunicative and would not help
the crew out, leaving them to figure out how to manage the controls for
themselves.>
Perhaps it was an intellectual capabilities� test of some sort - as an
insurance, that ship will not fall into duffer�s hands. Assuaging himself,
that the new crew is competent enough to fly Liberator, Zen began to help
them willingness-ly. Same could be appropriate for the fans, also.
;-)
<Perhaps the fans who are new to computers need an Orac to override all
this...>
But perhaps Calle ought to put firstly some kind of entrance test. Like
follows, for example:
I. Calculate the most probable location of Star One, preferably using
differential equations. Present the result both in spherical and equatorial
coordinate systems.
II. Who is the author of the following quote: �Wisdom must be gathered, it
cannot be given.�
a) Buddha,
b) Zen,
c) Castaneda.
III. Who is better guy:
a) Travis the First;
b) Travis the Second.
State your answer, using no more than 50 000 words. And not swearing or
cursing, please. Not too much, anyway.
IV-A. Describe the similarities and distinctions between:
a) Travis the First,
b) Travis the Second,
c) Colonel Quute.
IV-B. Why the eye-patches are so popular among the villains. Why, therefore,
Servalan does not wear one? (Answer on a separate sheet.)
And, further on... ;-D
Hellen
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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:27:41 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
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On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 02:46:59AM -0700, Sally Manton wrote:
> A question...why do people think that Blake never contacts the
> Liberator after the Andromedan War?
> 1] Blake did too send a message or two, but it got lost (it's a big
> and at this point fairly chaotic galaxy, after all...) and he gave up.
>
> 2] He was injured, remember. Yes, he told Zen he was all right (but
> then he would, wouldn't he?) but he could have been further hurt
> on landing wherever he did. By the time he recovers enough to think
> about his ex-crew, it's been so long that he believes it to be pointless(he
> doesn't know they've been searching).
These two have got my vote, particularly #1. I think that's a great
idea, that his messages went missing, and wonder why nobody seems to
have thought of it before. I've come across, in fanfic, that Blake
was injured, even that Blake had amnesia, so it certainly *isn't* an
uncommon thought that there was something rather odd about Blake's
silence.
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Date: 22 Aug 1999 20:50:21 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
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"Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com> writes:
> But perhaps Calle ought to put firstly some kind of entrance test. Like
> follows, for example:
I like the concept, but of couse I'd have to write the questions
myself. Let's see here:
1) Servalan is...
a) Sexy
b) Scheming
c) Evil
d) All of the above
2) The main bad guys in Blake's 7 are...
a) The Terra Nostra
b) The Federation
c) Microsoft
d) All of the above
3) The sexiest person on the Liberator is...
a) Gan
b) Cally
c) Orac
d) All of the above (together, in a bathtub full of chocolate mousse)
4) The sexiest person outside the Liberator is...
a) Servalan
b) Servalan
c) Servalan
d) All of the above (together, in a bathtub full of chocolate mousse)
5) In "Orbit", when Avon was looking for Vila, he was...
a) Serious
b) Just kidding
c) Completely bonkers
d) All of the above
6) The proper reaction to the episode "Blake" is...
a) Crying
b) Getting very, very drunk
c) Writing fanfic explaining why it didn't really happen
d) All of the above (at the same time)
So. Now make sure you all answer the questions. And get it right, or
I'll just have to throw you all off the list!
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:42:19 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
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From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
>III. Who is better guy:
>a) Travis the First;
>b) Travis the Second.
Presumably the Dreadful Penny is in charge of marking this section? Woe
betide anyone answering a) <grin>
>State your answer, using no more than 50 000 words. And not swearing or
>cursing, please. Not too much, anyway.
If answering a), I trust this is a direction to the marker?
Regards
Joanne
(What is it with Calle and chocolate mousse? Probably not a good question in
relation to the subject line, perhaps.)
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:45:21 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] ADMIN: Postings missing from the digest
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Calle wrote:
> I'm going to try to re-send them, so be prepared
> for weirdness.
<g> As opposed to what, exactly?
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:07:44 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
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Sally wrote, about Blake's failure to contact the Liberator post Star One:
>Yes, the obvious answer is that he wants to leave the ship
>to Avon, and thinks Avon really wants *him* out of his life.
> But I can't accept this.
I can. Avon's freedom speech is such an emotional gob-smacker, and Blake's
reply - "I never realised. You really do hate me, don't you?" - packs
almost as much punch in its quiet matter-of-factness.
It would almost be a shame if Blake sat down later and thought "Poor old
Avon, we've all been a bit stressed recently, he didn't really mean it."
And the final exchange before he returns to the medical unit carries so
much weight that I can't help believing Blake thought they were about to
part (you can argue, of course, that he just thought they would all be
blasted out of the sky in the next five minutes).
Given all the examples of Avon's devotion that Sally has listed, I can
imagine Blake starting to doubt his initial reaction in the weeks after
he's left the Liberator. And that he'd be only too happy to return if he
could be sure Avon wanted him back. But he won't return without that
certainty (it's a matter of his own pride, too, not just concern Avon's
feelings). He may fear that even a short message beamed into the galaxy at
large might be interpreted as putting pressure on Avon to invite him back
(as well as offering less friendly searchers clues to his own current
whereabouts). So it's got to be Avon's move, and that's what Blake
confirms when he tells Avon on Gauda Prime that "I was waiting for you."
So I think that's (3), slightly modified, because I don't believe Blake was
as certain of Avon as Sally does.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:06:26 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
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Joanne MacQueen wrote re test:
III. Who is better guy:
a) Travis the First;
b) Travis the Second.
<Presumably the Dreadful Penny is in charge of marking this section? Woe
betide anyone answering a) <grin> >
a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)a)!!
I.e., I am answering �a)�
Hellen
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:39:07 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] A Lyst fit for heroes?
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Calle's test - ah, so subtle. Of course a true Lyster would know that all
of the options are, in fact, wrong, and the fifth (correct) option must be
supplied to pass the test. The answers are:
>1) Servalan is...
> a) Sexy
> b) Scheming
> c) Evil
> d) All of the above
or (e) A sterling attempt by Jacqueline Pearce to rise above the limitations
of a two-dimensional patriarchally defined caricature.
>2) The main bad guys in Blake's 7 are...
> a) The Terra Nostra
> b) The Federation
> c) Microsoft
> d) All of the above
(e) Nicky Rocker and Vere Lorrimer, for turning the 4th Season into a
shallow travesty of its illustrious predecessors.
>3) The sexiest person on the Liberator is...
> a) Gan
> b) Cally
> c) Orac
> d) All of the above (together, in a bathtub full of chocolate mousse)
(e) Nagu (Travis only stabbed him out of jealousy, as any true fan knew from
the start).
>4) The sexiest person outside the Liberator is...
> a) Servalan
> b) Servalan
> c) Servalan
> d) All of the above (together, in a bathtub full of chocolate mousse)
(e) Actually nobody, because anyone outside the Liberator would asphyxiate
if they weren't wearing a vacc suit, and if they were wearing one they'd be
left way behind as soon as the ship hit Standard By Ten.
>5) In "Orbit", when Avon was looking for Vila, he was...
> a) Serious
> b) Just kidding
> c) Completely bonkers
> d) All of the above
(e) failing to prove his credentials as an actor.
>6) The proper reaction to the episode "Blake" is...
> a) Crying
> b) Getting very, very drunk
> c) Writing fanfic explaining why it didn't really happen
> d) All of the above (at the same time)
(e) emitting a loud and hearty cheer when Tarrant gets plugged in the back.
Neil, who does use Outlook Express, and Really Doesn't Care
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:30:16 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
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Catharine Roussel wrote:
<I don't know if it is better, but my pet theory on this one is that his
guilt and shame for his single-mindedness about the destruction of Star One
keeps him from contacting Liberator. In a way he is trying to protect the
galaxy from himself. His biggest gamble, the destruction of Star One, caused
a great deal of innocent suffering, to so little advantage. Even with the
added chaos of the Andromedan war, the Federation did not crumble.>
But, finally, he *did not* destroyed the Star One. Even more � he ordered to
the crew to discharge the bombs. He *do* realized that humanity needs that
command centre. Therefore - it would be a pure mindlessness for Blake to
blame himself for disaster, which he had been *against*. This is on the one
hand.
And on the other � let�s imagine that driving your car carelessly, you had
been just about to kill � a kid, for example, in the road accident. Or even
a whole class, both with the teacher. But you didn�t. You had turned the
wheel in the last second and the kids survived (to be killed next by a
truck, but this is another story�). What step would you undertaken next �
whether you would stop driving forever, sell your car and begin running away
screaming every time you see the taxi-driver? Or you would take a deep
breath, may be several days off and then start to use the car again, most
probably with more care� All I want to say is that Blake is not a kind of
person, who would blame himself superfluously at the face of the common
threat.
<The Star One incident is a scaled-up version of the Central Control
debacle, where millions die instead of just one. By not contacting the
Liberator, Blake both forces himself to find another way to challenge the
Federation and punishes himself for his hubris by denying himself contact
with people that he has come to love and trust.>
Meaning - maybe the detectors failed�
Hellen
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:39:21 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] A Lyst fit for heroes?
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Neil wrote (with snips):
> >1) Servalan is...
>(e) A sterling attempt by Jacqueline Pearce to rise above the limitations
>of a two-dimensional patriarchally defined caricature.
>
> >2) The main bad guys in Blake's 7 are...
>(e) Nicky Rocker and Vere Lorrimer, for turning the 4th Season into a
>shallow travesty of its illustrious predecessors.
>
> >3) The sexiest person on the Liberator is...
>(e) Nagu (Travis only stabbed him out of jealousy, as any true fan knew
>from
>the start).
Undoubtedly. How can one miss his natural charm...
> >4) The sexiest person outside the Liberator is...
>(e) Actually nobody, because anyone outside the Liberator would asphyxiate
>if they weren't wearing a vacc suit, and if they were wearing one they'd be
>left way behind as soon as the ship hit Standard By Ten.
>
> >5) In "Orbit", when Avon was looking for Vila, he was...
>(e) failing to prove his credentials as an actor.
>
> >6) The proper reaction to the episode "Blake" is...
>(e) emitting a loud and hearty cheer when Tarrant gets plugged in the back.
I am speechless!
Neil, I am voting with both my hands for that "D"-s of yours! Let Calle
kicks us both for this!
Hellen, fascinated
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:03:32 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
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On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 02:46:59 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
>1] Blake did too send a message or two, but it got lost (it's a big
>and at this point fairly chaotic galaxy, after all...) and he gave up.
Ah, but was it just the chaos or was somebody actively blocking him? And
if so, who?
Cally? I can't dream up a motive.
Vila? Probably not, although he did get talked into doing some amazingly
dumb things. But he could never keep it a secret if he had. If nothing
else, he can't stay sober.
Avon? Sure, but if he had, in Blake he would have said, "Have you
betrayed me? Were you that peeved because I never answered your silly
e-mails?"
Tarrant? True, he wanted to be top dog on the Liberator, but he'd have to
be a lot dumber than _anyone_ ever suspected to try this.
Dayna? If she'd picked up the phone and gotten upset at whoever was on
the other line, sure. But the arrow in the answering machine would be a
dead give away.
Zen couldn't not do what Blake told him to. This leaves only one suspect
. . .
Orac did it! Of course he wanted that "let's get shot by as many
Federation ships as possible" do-gooder out of the way! The creep who
was always telling him to check troop movements and weapon supplies when
he wanted to do something much more interesting, like stuff the ship down
a black hole. Who needed him?
And, once Avon and the others got too interested in troop movements and
getting shot at, look what happened to them.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:56:53 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Neil, I am voting with both my hands for that "E"-s of yours! "EEE"-s of
course! Not "D"-s.
Hellen, confused
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:17:06 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: [B7L] Orders for Neutral Zone
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I'm going to the Neutral Zone summer party this weekend, and will be
taking a small selection of zines and prints. I will have a few of the
A6 prints of Val Westall's art, both laminated and unlaminated. If you
want to buy specific prints, please let me know by Wednesday evening at
the latest so that I have a reasonable chance of printing and/or
laminating the ones you want. Ditto for the Vem Quest zine, which I
won't have stocks of as I print it to order.
Prices at the Neutral Zone summer party:
prints
A6 unlaminated �1
A6 laminated �2
A5 unlaminated �2
A4 unlaminated �3
self-adhesive magnet strip 50p
Vem Quest �2
I can probably get a few A5 and A4 laminated as well, but they'll be
much lighter gauge plastic - probably an additional �1 or so, but I'll
have to check.
For prints, email me with zine, page number, print size, laminated or
unlaminated, and for unlaminated whether you prefer silk texture paper
or matt card. I can print any of the greyscale illos from my own zines,
and *probably* the colour ones as well. I may be able to do most of the
other recently published zines.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:37:26 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Calle wrote:
<Now make sure you all answer the questions. And get it right, or
I'll just have to throw you all off the list!>
(Counting up)....one out of six - maybe - oh dear. Anyone want to sell me
the right answers?
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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:39:27 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
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After I suggested:
<1] Blake did too send a message or two, but it got lost (it's a big
and at this point fairly chaotic galaxy, after all...) and he gave up.>
Catherine wrote:
<I find this an interesting idea, but for the presence of Orac, the
wonder box, on Liberator. If Blake sent a message surely Orac
would have heard it.>
Orac is IMO overrated (see the utterly peerless Sevencyclopedia
for details on his shortcomings.) And was probably diving into
black holes or sulking about abandoned games or telling the
nearest Federation computer to hold his calls because he had
something better to...now *there's* an idea. Blake did call, Orac
had 'delegated' work to someone who was very much more
interested...and Blake got away from the resultant ambush by the
skin of his teeth. Making him rather wary of making any further
attempts. And do a lot of damage to his ability to trust...
(Does this make sense, anyone?)
<I don't know if it is better, but my pet theory on this one is that his
guilt and shame for his single-mindedness about the destruction of
Star One keeps him from contacting Liberator.>
Ahhh...I'm one who can't in all honesty agree with this; I don't
believe that he would feel any guilt, since he was right about
destroying Star One and both he (and Avon) knew it. In fact, the
chaos after the War would have made him *more* determined to
hold Avon to his promise to take him back to Earth where he could
finish what he set out to in the first place (and this even if he *did*
think Avon hated him.)
I do agree he's extremely - errmmmmm - good at guilt, though only
when he really has something to feel that way for. But that is of
course *only* my opinion.
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:27:59 +0100
From: "Stefan Anderson" <stefan.anderson@eng.abdn.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] RB, call home...
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Sally Said
>2] He was injured, remember. Yes, he told Zen he was all right (but
>then he would, wouldn't he?) but he could have been further hurt
>on landing wherever he did. By the time he recovers enough to think
>about his ex-crew, it's been so long that he believes it to be pointless(he
>doesn't know they've been searching).
We could see from the scarring on his face in 'Blake' that he was possibly
injured more than he let on. Playing down his injuries would be the sort of
thing you'd expect from blake, especially after he was too injured and
couldn't stay on the flight deck for the actual battle.
Then Harriet said
>Given all the examples of Avon's devotion that Sally has listed, I can
>imagine Blake starting to doubt his initial reaction in the weeks after
>he's left the Liberator. And that he'd be only too happy to return if he
>could be sure Avon wanted him back. But he won't return without that
>certainty (it's a matter of his own pride, too, not just concern Avon's
>feelings). He may fear that even a short message beamed into the galaxy at
>large might be interpreted as putting pressure on Avon to invite him back
>(as well as offering less friendly searchers clues to his own current
>whereabouts). So it's got to be Avon's move, and that's what Blake
>confirms when he tells Avon on Gauda Prime that "I was waiting for you."
I think he may have realised that he needed more than just the liberator and
the others. IIRC he was trying to recruit people to the cause, and not
pleasant people at that, and he was possibly waiting for Avon to realise how
pointless
just running around the galaxy doing hit and run tactics was. But Avon
being Avon it would have to be his own decision and if Blake interrupted
that
decision making process then it wouldn't have worked. The others would
follow him, but would Avon let him take over again before he was ready.
stefan
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