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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 298
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
[B7L] Quotation...
Re: [B7L] Quotation...
Re: [B7L] Quotation...
Re: [B7L] Quotation...
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Quotation...
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
[B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
[B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Real Fan?
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
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[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #297
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Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 07:54:50 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
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Nicola Rowe said:
> When did you start thinking of yourselves as "fans" of B7?
Just after I watched Vila doing his funny stuff with the bracelet in
'Powerplay', sometime in 1980, aged 8. And then my best friend got a toy gun
which made spacey noises. Cool!
Una
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 03:28:48 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
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Una wrote:
>Julia wrote:
>
> > Let me get this right - communist Bulgaria showed B7 on prime time
> > television? Terry Nation's rant on totalitarian governments and the need
> > to resist such?
>
>Isn't that just fantastic?
>
> > What *did* they think it was about?
>
>Perhaps it was seen as a comment on fascism rather than communism (Terry
>Nation tended to obsess about the Nazis a bit). Or perhaps the censors
>thought the Federation was positively portrayed.
Honestly, they ceased broadcasting the show after season II. And they never
permitted broadcasting of "Horizon", probably because of the close relations
between the communist government and India at that time.
>That was all just *fascinating*, Hellen.
Thank you.
Hellen
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 04:53:06 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
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>Nicola Rowe said:
>
> > When did you start thinking of yourselves as "fans" of B7?
It didn't happens in some fixed moment. Most possibly, it's like a slow
sinkin' in a swamp. You keep thinking of yourself as an one with free will
and so,... but suddenly, you are finding yourself obsessed to that degree,
where yo can't even cross a street without menacing the passing vehicles
with Travis' "I have waited! Too long!". ;-)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:05:37 +0100
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Quotation...
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I can't place a quote from the show that I found on someone's website.
Can anyone help? Is it a quote or has it been mangled in some way?
'Reality is a dangerous concept': who said it, which episode?
Cheers,
Una
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Date: 19 Oct 1999 16:17:06 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
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>>>>> "Una" == Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> writes:
> 'Reality is a dangerous concept': who said it, which episode?
Doctor Havant, "The Way Back".
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:23:16 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
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In a message dated 10/19/1999 7:20:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes:
> Reality is a dangerous concept': who said it, which episode?
>
Blake's psychiatrist in The Way Back, I believe. I can't remember the
psychiatrist's name off the top of my head.
Tiger M
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:34:46 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Una McCormack wrote:
> I can't place a quote from the show that I found on someone's website.
> Can anyone help? Is it a quote or has it been mangled in some way?
>
> 'Reality is a dangerous concept': who said it, which episode?
It's from "The Way Back". The psychiatrist chappie says it to Blake.
Iain
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 10:35:34 -0400
From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@access.mountain.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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>The discussion seems to be conflating "being a fan" (which surely doesn't
>involve interacting with anyone else) with "participating in organised
>fandom"....(Apologies if this is the distinction between 'Hatters' and 'Dormice' - I've
>looked for a definition in the posts coming through, but either I've missed
>it or they're established terms with which I'm unfamiliar!)
"Hatters" and "Dormice" were terms coined a few posts ago by Neil
Faulkner. I personally don't like them much, and I'm hoping they
will be forgotten again soon, but I seem to be in the minority
on that (possibly a minority of one). He defined Hatters as fans
who discuss the show with one another, go to cons, and so forth,
and Dormice as less active fans who, perhaps, might buy a
"Blake's 7" mouse pad if they saw one. The question then arose
as to how little activity was required for someone to be a fan at
all.
>When did you start thinking of yourselves as "fans" of B7?
When I first saw "The Way Back", courtesy of my friend's tapes,
after seeing most of third and all of fourth season OTA. That's
when I knew I actually wanted my own copies of the tapes.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:41:21 +0100
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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> >>>>> "Una" == Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> writes:
>
> > 'Reality is a dangerous concept': who said it, which episode?
>
> Doctor Havant, "The Way Back".
Thanks to all respondents. Top prize to Calle for both maximum accuracy
and economy of answer ;)
Una
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:52:23 +0100
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Meredith Dixon wrote:
> "Hatters" and "Dormice" were terms coined a few posts ago by Neil
> Faulkner.
I want to be a March Hare.
Una
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:13:24 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Una McCormack wrote:
> Meredith Dixon wrote:
>
> > "Hatters" and "Dormice" were terms coined a few posts ago by Neil
> > Faulkner.
>
> I want to be a March Hare.
>
Only if I can be an Ely Rabbit.
Iain
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:00:59 +0100
From: "Josh Tildesley" <josh@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Hi.
Just a quickie:
Does Cally have just one name as opposed to a forename and surname?
In the original (humanoid bit anyway) of the Liberator crew there's:
Roj Blake,
Kerr Avon,
Jenna Stanis
Vila Restal,
Olag Gan
and....
Cally
Please forgive me if I have spelt any of these name incorrectly.
You see they all have both forename and surname except Cally.
This can be followed on into other areas of B7, i.e. Servalan's name
..and in the case of Ensor, creator of Orac and his son, Ensor - That could
get very confusing if they were both in the same room and someone called
out, "Hey, Ensor!"
..and just imagine trying to use the Telephone Directory on Earth if that
was the case! Doesn't bear thinking about, does it!?!
Am I rambling? Does that even need answering?
I'm sure this can be expanded on by some of you people...
Cheers,
Josh.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:29:46 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Julia wrote:
>It is *still* much easier and cheaper for the typical UK fan to pick up
>a copy of SFX, Cult TV, etc and find Horizon's ad in the back than it is
>for them to find us lot here. More Brits have access to newsagents than
>they do to the net. Many more.
Well, there can't be that many Brits without access to a newsagent (though
no doubt some crofter on Jura will promptly stick up his or her hand). But
there does seem to be a national difference operating here which would make
sense of Meredith's perspective.
I do know that in my (admittedly limited) social circle I am definitely the
odd man out. Out of some 25 plus blokes on my shift, only one other is
online and a third is thinking about it. Admittedly this is one of the
lower SEGs we're talking about, where technofear is still fairly prevalent.
A prospective trainee turned up for his interview, took one look at the
touch screens for controlling the machines, and fled. The shift manager can
input the nightly production data with Excel, but only because he's been
shown how to do that and that alone. The seas around the UK are not exactly
lapping on the shores of Cybertopia.
Neil
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:23:29 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
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From: Kate <shasath@crosswinds.net>
>> The Harvest of Kairos
>> Aftermath
>Anyone not convinced?
>
Convinced. This would put Aftermath just below Headhunter and
I would like to swop those two around.
Aftermath gives us some beautiful suffering and Avon
in pyjamas, not to mention the absurd notion of Servalan
having apparently crashed out of a space battle and
survived still in her cocktail dress and high heels. It also
has a very good cliffhanger and moves the plot along nicely.
Headhunter OTOH has that ridiculous robot.
Julie
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:51:16 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
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In a message dated 10/19/1999 12:28:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jihorner@dial.pipex.com writes:
> Aftermath gives us some beautiful suffering and Avon
> in pyjamas, not to mention the absurd notion of Servalan
> having apparently crashed out of a space battle and
> survived still in her cocktail dress and high heels. It also
> has a very good cliffhanger and moves the plot along nicely.
Actually, Headhunter definitely belongs above Aftermath. It has some
excellent character interaction, which Aftermath lacks. Among other things,
Headhunter is the episode where Soolin really begins to come into her own as
a character. It's also a very good episode for Tarrant. It has the crew
standing up to Avon and making it stick, which I enjoyed immensely. ;-)
> Headhunter OTOH has that ridiculous robot.
Ridiculous in appearance, perhaps, but not in concept. :-)
Aftermath has some good Dayna, and I liked Hal Mellanby, but other than that,
it has very little to recommend it to those who like crew interaction. Avon
fans like it, but for me, it was pretty boring until about the last three
minutes.
Tiger M
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:02:10 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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It has been said
>>Online material is as "potentially available" to
>>everyone as offline material is. All people have to do to see
>>the online material is to go where it is -- that is, online, say
>>through a cybercafe or a public library terminal, if they don't
>>have their own computers
.I found a "free" internet terminal in an airport last week. I was able to
visit Blakes 7 sites whilst they refuelled the delayed plane (OK it timed
out eventually and asked for a credit card). I couldn't do that with a
Horizon newsletter, because it was not on the news stand. So online is
better.
Sitting on the plane, I opened up my bag and found that somebody had slipped
said newsletter in. 6 hours, no internet. Snail mail is better.
Horses for courses.
Andrew
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:21:19 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
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Top of the shop so far are Blake and Space Fall, the beginning and end of
Blake and Avon's relationship. Sounds quite reasonable to me. (Not that I'm
a fan of Space Fall, Una !)
Followed closely by classic SciFi effects ?
Harry monsters
Scurrying along service ducts
Running around quarries and blowing up power stations
Is this a fair summary of what we like about Blakes 7 ?
Andrew
Blake
Space Fall
Animals
Power Play
Time Squad
Duel
Trial
Weapon
Killer
Sarcophagus
Power
Volcano
The Way back
The City at the Edge of the World
The Web
Star One
The Keeper
Gold
Orbit
Sand
Ultraworld
Terminal
Games
Stardrive
Assasin
Dawn of the Gods
Headhunter
Aftermath
The Harvest of Kairos
Mission to Destiny
Rescue
Children of Auron
Shadow
Bounty
Death Watch
Rumours of Death
Project Avalon
Breakdown
Seek Locate Destroy
Horizon
Warlord
Deliverance
Presure Point
Orac
Hostage
Redemption
Voice from the Past
Countdown
Gambit
Moloch
p.s.
two episodes missing ! which ones ?
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:06:33 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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For me a "real fan" is somebody who doesn't mind owning up to being < online
/ club subscriber / video watcher / person with fond memories >, in the pub
(etc. etc.), when everybody else just talks football (etc. etc.). That is -
somebody who stands up to be counted. Size of video collection, depth of
character analysis, blatant sexual attraction etc don't necessarily come
into it.
An active fan raises the subject. Either in the pub, or at a convention. A
passive fan waits for the subject to arise.
Andrew
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:26:59 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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On Mon, Oct 18, 1999 at 10:18:31PM +0200, Nicola Rowe wrote:
> When did you start thinking of yourselves as "fans" of B7?
I realized only recently that my personal subconcious almost-definition of
*me* being a "fan" of something is whether or not I've written poetry or
fanfic in that universe. Not by whether I've bought or recorded tapes
of something, since I have more recordings of things than things I
consider myself a *fan* of. By that definition (a) Blake's 7 is still
numero uno, and (b) I must be a Hatter in order to consider myself a
fan. That is, if we take Neil's spontaneous (I think) definitions of
Dormouse: a "non-active" fan
Mad Hatter: an "active" fan, said activity being defined as -
participating in discussion (whether in person, on-line, or in
newsletters) and/or reading writing and editing fanzines/fanfic,
and/or... (did going to cons count?)
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:34:44 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Andrew gave us the latest list, among which was:
>Children of Auron
>Shadow
Errmm... did I get penalised for trying to move Shadow up too many places in
one go? If so, humblest grovelling.
Shadow should still go above Children, however. Please. Please, please,
please.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:03:07 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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On Mon 18 Oct, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> I'd agree that active fans are more likely to make the effort to go online,
> though not in every case (one of my regular zine contributors flatly refuses
> to do so), and I'd say this shift to cyberspace contributed pretty heavily
> to, for one thing, the death of AltaZine (possibly a good thing, actually).
> It also seems to have had a negative effect on zine sales, if I understand
> Judith P correctly.
I'm not sure that it has in B7, though I expected it to. In many fandoms I
believe it has decreased paper zines, but the B7 zine seems to be alive and
well. The pattern seems to be that a zine will sell around a hundred copies in
the first year and if it's good, work of mouth will probably sell another
hundred copies over the next few years.
The figures are a *lot* lower for reprints, unless they're by Lilian
Shepherd/EPS.
I know B7 zines sold several times that in their heyday, but I wasn't around
then.
Every time I think I've sussed the pattern it changes though. I never expected
'Morgan' to sell. I thought 'who will buy a zine with no sex, no violence, no
Liberator and only one series character?' I loved it, but I didn't expect other
people to. They did though - people even buy copies for their friends.
I think what has happened on the zine front is that the net is adding as many
sales as might have been lost to on-line fiction. People can read zine extracts
on the web, they can have up to date pricing information and they know how/where
to order.
Judith
PS. Just finished Pressure Point. Some good stories there, especially Nicky
Barnard's one. I see what you mean about it. It is certainly not erotica, but
it is 'adult' simply because it asks questions about things that are not
suitable for children. I wish I could write like she does. She has real
insight and doesn't duck difficult issues.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:46:10 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
>Followed closely by classic SciFi effects ?
>Harry monsters
As opposed to Tom and Dick monsters, of course.
Regards
Joanne
(trying to keep a straight face, and failing)
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:51:28 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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>From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
>I want to be a March Hare.
If it weren't for the hookah, I'd want to be the caterpillar.
Regards
Joanne
(actually, Avon would be a perfect caterpillar. Vila can be Bill the lizard,
poor boy...)
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 09:18:37 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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This was sent to me instead of the list. I only hope it was meant for the
list. Sorry if it wasn't. I don't mind Harry either, Lorna. Better than,
say, Mel.
>From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
>To: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
>Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:45:39 -0500
>
> >>From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
> >>Followed closely by classic SciFi effects ?
> >>Harry monsters
>
>Joanne said:
> >As opposed to Tom and Dick monsters, of course.
>
>I thought he was referring to Doctor Who's Harry Sullivan. <veg>
>
>(Actually, I have quite a soft spot for Harry, bumbler though he was.)
>
>Lorna B.
>"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:37:41 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Tiger M wrote:
> Actually, Headhunter definitely belongs above Aftermath.
Thank goodness I'm not the only one who thinks so!
> It has some
> excellent character interaction, which Aftermath lacks. Among other things,
> Headhunter is the episode where Soolin really begins to come into her own as
> a character. It's also a very good episode for Tarrant. It has the crew
> standing up to Avon and making it stick, which I enjoyed immensely. ;-)
Not to mention Orac gets the last word on Avon for a change.
> Aftermath has some good Dayna, and I liked Hal Mellanby, but other than that,
> it has very little to recommend it to those who like crew interaction. Avon
> fans like it, but for me, it was pretty boring until about the last three
> minutes.
Yes, I liked Hal Mellanby, too. But the first time I saw Aftermath,
I found it irritating and confusing; now it's just _mostly_ tedious. I like
Avon as well as the next person, but I don't consider Aftermath one
of his best episodes. Maybe if you enjoy seeing him with Servalan.
I prefer eps that are shared more evenly around the crew, as opposed
to centering on any one character.
Aftermath suffers from being forced to establish the new season
parameters: resolve the cliffhanger, justify Blake's and Jenna's
absence, pick up a new crew member, establish Avon as the main
character and establish Servalan as his opponent. There's precious
little room for anything else. (Frankly, I think Redemption resolved
its cliffhanger much more elegantly; although I admit it had less that
it had to accomplish.)
As to Headhunter, I don't see any reason for an Avon fan to dislike
it; IMHO one of his best series D eps, and with very little scenery
chewing. The Avon-Vena is nice, the Avon-Vena-Soolin is nice, and
he looks quite dishy in his space suit. In the first part of the ep you get
to see the part of him that's not too comfortable dealing with human
emotions, including his own; that softer side that somebody (Nina, I
think) compared once to the scene with Cally at the beginning of The
Web. In the second part of the ep, you get the side of Avon that's all
gleeful, curious, obsessive about a potential new toy, as with the
Liberator, the Sopron, etc.
Neither ep has much in the way of a plot; and apart from setting up
the season in Aftermath, neither of them has much effect on the
long-term plot, either. Headhunter at least has some fun with the
characters.
Just IMHO,
Mistral
--
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:46:26 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:
> (actually, Avon would be a perfect caterpillar.
I dunno as he'd like that, Joanne. Caterpillars have this nasty
habit of turning into butterflies ;-)
Mistral
--
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 16:53:15 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Andrew Ellis wrote:
> two episodes missing ! which ones ?
Traitor and Cygnus Alpha. I'll nominate Traitor for bottom of
the list (the rest of you lot can have fun moving it up, I know)
and leave the other one for Kai.
Mistral
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:07:39 +1000
From: Zlep <zlep@bigpond.com>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>p.s.
>
>two episodes missing ! which ones ?
Cygnus Alpha and Traitor
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:14:33 EDT
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Death Watch belongs above Bounty.
It has an excellent plot, and is genuine SF, with the unusual way in which
Teal and Vandor settle their disputes, their code duello, and the
sensornets. I got a real feeling that there was a galaxy beyond the
Liberator and the Federation in this episode, that what we were seeing on
screen was part of a much greater whole.
Each member of the crew had a part in the story, and the acting was
outstanding, especially Steven Pacey's. I actually thought it was a
different actor playing Deeta the first time I saw the episode. The battle
between Deeta and Vinni was riveting, and the only fault I can find with this
episode is Avon's toreador outfit. He must have let Dayna pick that one. ;-)
Tiger M
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:36:12 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: mistral@ptinet.net
>Joanne MacQueen wrote:
> > (actually, Avon would be a perfect caterpillar.
>I dunno as he'd like that, Joanne. Caterpillars have this nasty
>habit of turning into butterflies ;-)
Or moths (the Deathwatch moth describes one late 3rd season costume
perfectly <smile> Large, drab, and unflattering).
If you prefer, possibly the Chesire Cat. The Darrovian smile doesn't seem to
need to be attached to the rest of him to get a reaction from some people.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:33:29 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #297
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Carol quoted me:
> << In America, most people have never even heard of it-including many people
> who consider themselves fans of science fiction. >>
Then went on to give personal evidence how wrong I was.
Well, I guess it depends upon location. People in the Bay Area konw
about it because KQED carried it-- KVIE considered Red Dwarf more
enlightening, apparently.
Sacramento, according to our newspaper, is crazy about science fiction.
The SciFi channel is in very high demand with Comcast, the local cable
company. We have (or had) the highest city ratings for shows like
X-Files, Babylon 5, Star Trek... anything is space, pretty much. People
where I work know tons of trivia about current shows, and the company
even handed out X-Files trading cards once to promote a company project.
I had Kerr Avon as my wallpaper for months after getting internet
access. Most comment comment. "He's really cute. Who *is* he?" insert
reply "Never heard of that."
No one dresses as B7 characters at cons. B7 artwork and zines are next
to impossible to find, (and I am including all Bay Area cons except for
Unicon here... a very short-lived con run by a true fan who got *stars*,
which certainly helped draw a turnout from several states away). Blake's
7 references and quotes get blank stares or a compliment for being so
clever as to think up such a witty saying.
Magazines that cover SF scarcely ever bring up heroes of the past any
more. Blake's 7 is sometimes mentioned in a footnote in SF overviews,
basically as 'better than you'd think.'
*sigh* Maybe I need a personalized plate, though.
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:44:46 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Julia Jones, you're telling us Americans that where you are, cyber cafes
*charge* people to link up to the Net???!!!
The last time I went in one, it followed the standard practice for the
US, which is that the computers are free and available to anyone who's
willing to buy and sip their coffee/tea while surfing the Web. Cost,
about $2-$3. Amount of time you get... welll, as long as there isn't a
line, no one cares. It's an inducement to get you to come there and
spend money more often, just like the boardgames and chess sets
available at other tables.
I suddenly feel much more positively towrds the American capitalist
system.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:22:40 +1000
From: Zlep <zlep@bigpond.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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At 19:44 19/10/99 -0700, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>Julia Jones, you're telling us Americans that where you are, cyber
cafes
>*charge* people to link up to the Net???!!!
>
>The last time I went in one, it followed the standard practice for
the
>US, which is that the computers are free and available to anyone
who's
>willing to buy and sip their coffee/tea while surfing the Web. Cost,
>about $2-$3. Amount of time you get... welll, as long as there isn't
a
>line, no one cares. It's an inducement to get you to come there and
>spend money more often, just like the boardgames and chess sets
>available at other tables.
>
>I suddenly feel much more positively towrds the American capitalist
>system.
From what you've said, I assume the US has untimed local calls. In
those parts of the world where local calls are charged by the minute
(including IIRC the UK), the cafe setup you describe would be
virtually unheard of.
Zlep.
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:07:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tegan Donnelly <tegan@offcenter.org>
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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> > (actually, Avon would be a perfect caterpillar.
> I dunno as he'd like that, Joanne. Caterpillars have this nasty
> habit of turning into butterflies ;-)
*picturing Avon in multicolored clothing flitting about*
ROTFLMAO
tegan (*)
tegan@offcenter.org
http://offcenter.org/~tegan
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:46:13 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #297
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In message <380D2C9D.1BF3@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes
>Julia Jones, you're telling us Americans that where you are, cyber cafes
>*charge* people to link up to the Net???!!!
>
We don't have unmetered calls in the UK.
Any cybercafe has to cover the telco charges, regardless of what form
they come in, analogue dialup, ISDN, leased line, and shortly to be
available cable modem and ASDL. The first two are metered. Leased line
is typically flat rate (not always, as there may be a bandwidth usage
surcharge) but phenomenally expensive. Cable modem and ASDL are flat
rate and likely to be significantly cheaper than leased line, but are
also still experimental and available to test areas only. Cable modem
also requires that you use the cable company's ISP service, and may have
interesting clauses in the fine print. Not sure what the business telco
rates are, but my home contract is several pence per minute during the
day, "several" depending on distance and telco. You can check BT's at
their website, NTL has a grand scheme to charge 1p at weekends, 2p on
weeknights and 3 on weekdays regardless of distance, but I'm on the
older tariff whose details I can't remember.
A cybercafe *has* to cover those costs, or it'll go out of business.
It's unlikely to cover them from the margin on drinks, etc.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:35:10 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #297
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In message <380D29F8.26C8@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes
>Well, I guess it depends upon location. People in the Bay Area konw
>about it because KQED carried it-- KVIE considered Red Dwarf more
>enlightening, apparently.
KTEH was showing it last year, but after Dr Who, which meant *really*
late on Sunday night. I decided to give it a miss and wait until I got
home to my tapes and UK Gold.
Longer term Citizens may recall my occasional bewildered complaints
about it *always* being PBS pledge week when I'm visiting the Bay area.
I arrived on Thursday night. Woke up on Friday morning to the cheerful
sound of an NPR announcer twittering away about it being the first day
of pledge week, dig deep into your pockets...
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:55:48 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
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In a message dated 10/19/99 9:45:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk writes:
> Thanks to all respondents. Top prize to Calle for both maximum accuracy
> and economy of answer ;)
>
Plus top marks for an amusingly obscure reference in his sig...
Nina
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:54:10 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #296
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Una wrote:
>> Suit yourself.
>> I prefer to live without being covered in tarmac. Seems a trifle
>> uncomfortable.
>
>Admittedly, there is a brief stinging sensation when it first goes on, but
>after that it's worth it. Cyclists and even taxis just roll off.
So should you ever walk in front of my bike, I've got free license to try
and run you down?
I'll remember that:)
Neil
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:22:41 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Nicola rowet:
<The discussion seems to be conflating "being a fan" (which surely doesn't
involve interacting with anyone else) with "participating in organised
fandom".>
<snip>
<I think I thought that fandom, which is really only the state of
being a fan...>
Huh?
<When did you start thinking of yourselves as "fans" of B7?>
Like Hellen says, it creeps up on you. I don't think I thought of myself as
A Fan when my French teacher rang me up two minutes into Aftermath to
discuss some school birding trip, though I could quite cheerfully have
throttled him (in French, of course). But immediately after Terminal, when
I had to go and lie down in a dark room for a while, I was reminded of the
Battlestar Galactica fan who'd threatened to throw himself off a bridge
unless BG went back into production, so it was probably around that point
that I thought to myself, 'Yes, I am a Blakes Seven Fan'. Until then I'd
only really watched the series (with a full episode write-up in my diary -
come to think of it, that's pretty fannish), but I remember drafting
possible 4th Season scripts in my head on my daily lunchtime birding walk.
Really bad ones, too, since they were even worse than the real 4th Season we
finally got.
Neil
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:23:16 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Calle wrote:
>> 'Reality is a dangerous concept': who said it, which episode?
>
>Doctor Havant, "The Way Back".
Oh. I thought it was Tinky-Winky to La-La but I couldn't pin the episode.
Neil
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:48:22 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Meredith wrote:
>"Hatters" and "Dormice" were terms coined a few posts ago by Neil
>Faulkner.
Not strictly true. I first coined the term Dormouse in the Horizon
Letterzine several years ago, and everyone seemed to quite rightly ignore it
until Russ resurrected it last week. 'Mad Hatter' was a flippant suggestion
of mine that seemed to go down well with Mistral if not others.
Some term of reference for active and passive fans would be useful but
hardly mandatory. I'm not sure this is it, though.
And who do we nominate to be the Queen of Hearts?
(I, of course, am a Hedgehog)
Neil
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:43:47 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Josh wrote:
>Does Cally have just one name as opposed to a forename and surname?
It would appear so.
>This can be followed on into other areas of B7, i.e. Servalan's name
>
>..and in the case of Ensor, creator of Orac and his son, Ensor - That could
>get very confusing if they were both in the same room and someone called
>out, "Hey, Ensor!"
I assume it was a surname, so father and son were Sid and Frank Ensor or
somesuch. Though the old man might have modestly named his son after
himself.
>
>..and just imagine trying to use the Telephone Directory on Earth if that
>was the case! Doesn't bear thinking about, does it!?!
No harder than looking for a J Smith today, I'd have thought. Or a Chang,
depending on where in the world you are.
Neil
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:29:40 +0100
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Iain Coleman wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > Meredith Dixon wrote:
> >
> > > "Hatters" and "Dormice" were terms coined a few posts ago by Neil
> > > Faulkner.
> >
> > I want to be a March Hare.
> >
>
> Only if I can be an Ely Rabbit.
Wouldn't that have to be a Wisbech Wabbit?
Una
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