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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 299
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #296
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
RE: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
RE: [B7L] Odd one out...
[B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
[B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #296
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
Re: [B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
[B7L] Wonderland
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #297
[B7L] Squash Ladder
[B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
[B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:41:31 +0100
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
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Andrew Ellis wrote:
>
> Top of the shop so far are Blake and Space Fall, the beginning and end of
>
> Blake
> Space Fall
> Animals
Hehehe....
> Volcano
> The Way back
You cannot be serious! Swap these around immediately! Think I said why I
love TWB: 'Volcano' is very, very dull.
> The Web
> Star One
And these two, as well. 'Star One' has all those wonderful scenes with
Avon and Blake sniping, and the discussion of the morality of the fight.
And it's a great season cliffhanger.
Una
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:30:36 +0100
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
CC: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
>
> Una wrote:
> >> Suit yourself.
> >> I prefer to live without being covered in tarmac. Seems a trifle
> >> uncomfortable.
> >
> >Admittedly, there is a brief stinging sensation when it first goes on, but
> >after that it's worth it. Cyclists and even taxis just roll off.
>
> So should you ever walk in front of my bike, I've got free license to try
> and run you down?
>
> I'll remember that:)
Every other bugger seems to, so I don't see why you should be excluded.
Una
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:02:32 +0100
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Josh Tildesley wrote:
> Does Cally have just one name as opposed to a forename and surname?
Not mentioned in the show or any of the production material.
> In the original (humanoid bit anyway) of the Liberator crew there's:
<snip>
> Olag Gan
Which isn't mentioned on the show, as far as I'm aware, but *is* in the
production material.
Una
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:28:22 +0100
From: "Josh Tildesley" <josht@rpf.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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>Josh wrote:
>>Does Cally have just one name as opposed to a forename and surname?
>It would appear so.
Oh well.... never mind.
>>This can be followed on into other areas of B7, i.e. Servalan's name
>>
>>..and in the case of Ensor, creator of Orac and his son, Ensor - That
could
>>get very confusing if they were both in the same room and someone called
>>out, "Hey, Ensor!"
>I assume it was a surname, so father and son were Sid and Frank Ensor or
>somesuch. Though the old man might have modestly named his son after
>himself.
Probably, if his personality was anything to go by.
>>..and just imagine trying to use the Telephone Directory on Earth if that
>>was the case! Doesn't bear thinking about, does it!?!
>No harder than looking for a J Smith today, I'd have thought. Or a Chang,
>depending on where in the world you are.
True, but I am assuming that the population of Earth had increased by a huge
amount by the time of the Federation.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:52:50 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
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> > In the original (humanoid bit anyway) of the Liberator crew there's:
>
><snip>
>
> > Olag Gan
>
>Which isn't mentioned on the show, as far as I'm aware, but *is* in the
>production material.
It was. In "Bounty".
Hellen
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:41:27 +0100
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Hellen Paskaleva wrote:
>
> > > In the original (humanoid bit anyway) of the Liberator crew there's:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> > > Olag Gan
> >
> >Which isn't mentioned on the show, as far as I'm aware, but *is* in the
> >production material.
>
> It was. In "Bounty".
Is that right? How interesting. I've never noticed that before. When is
it mentioned?
Una
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:29:55 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Una asked
> Hellen Paskaleva wrote:
> >
> > > > In the original (humanoid bit anyway) of the Liberator
> > > > crew there's:
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > > > Olag Gan
> > >
> > >Which isn't mentioned on the show, as far as I'm aware,
> > >but *is* in the production material.
> >
> > It was. In "Bounty".
>
> Is that right? How interesting. I've never noticed that
> before. When is it mentioned?
Zen mentions Gan's full name when he tells the crew that the transmission
using Gan's voice is a fake. Which warning is of course delivered just a few
seconds too late for it to help anyone. Is this by any chance covered by
Squirbles law, too?
You know, this could be a fun new game: Spot the Quote. Who knows who said
the following in which episode:
"I'll be back."
No joke, honest.
Jacqueline
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Date: 20 Oct 1999 17:41:22 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
Cc: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>>>>> "Una" == Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> writes:
> Is that right? How interesting. I've never noticed that before. When is
> it mentioned?
Zen says it when he's pointing out to Vila that it's not really Gan speaking.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
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Date: 20 Oct 1999 17:53:13 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>>>>> "Jacqueline" == Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl> writes:
> You know, this could be a fun new game: Spot the Quote. Who knows who said
> the following in which episode:
> "I'll be back."
Blake in "Cygnus Alpha", Cally in "Orac", the kommissar in "Horizon",
Cevedic in "Gambit", Avon in "Terminal" and Avon in "Headhunter". More
if you count things like "I'll be back in a minute".
Given the existence of the transcripts and grep, this is a very easy game.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:59:20 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
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>From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
>You know, this could be a fun new game: Spot the Quote. Who knows who said
>the following in which episode:
>
>"I'll be back."
>
>No joke, honest.
Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator I.
Hellen
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:45:14 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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Hello
Spotting minor inconsistencies is always nice, isn't it? A few comments on
two examples in Blake's 7 which have been mentioned in recent
discussions:
1) Orac being able to scramble the System in "Redemption". The same
problem was actually evident in "Orac" already, as Orac took over Zen, who
had common origin with the System and would share its technology - and
hence would have no Tarriel cell either. Possible explanations :
1. The overall principal of a component required to create an advanced
artificial intelligence is universal, the differences in detail not being
enough to prevent communication.
2. Ensor somehow came across Spaceworld technology (pieces of a derelict
spacecraft?), copied the computer design and took out a patent for it to
avoid having to pay licensing fees (not very likely, though).
In any case, Orac's whole prediction depends on its ability to access the
System's databanks. To be able to predict the destruction of a space
vehicle resembling or identical to Liberator in twelfth sector, Orac would
have to know : a) that attack ships were underway to intercept Liberator
and that their attack would result in Liberator moving there, or b) that
the other ship existed and would be in that location in the near future.
In both cases, the information could only have been obtained from the
System.
2) The Sopron reflection of Cally's parents in "The Harvest of Kairos".
Lot of the characterisation and character motivation in this episode seems
confused (as is the case with Steed's other third season contribution,
"Moloch"), but the actual idea of Cally having parents isn't completely
unbelievable. Though she was a clone, it doesn't mean she was ejected from
the placenta unit as a full-grown adult, only then beginning the normal
aging cycle (Blake's clones in "Weapon" of course were like this, but as
Fen noted, they had not been grown from Blake's cells and were not clones
as such). There is a mention in "Children of Auron" of children and young
adults, as well as the talk about a nursery of five thousand, indicating
that a clone will still develop like a child born of natural birth. So
like any child, Cally would have had to be nurtured, taught and cared for
until the time she was adult, however they defined adulthood. The
Federation might have settled for some kind of automated, factory-like
institutions to do the job, but I think the Aurons would have preferred to
have some kind of human contact. If the whole race was telepathic, you
could of course replace individual parenthood with some kind of a communal
parenting, but the series is hopelessly confused about whether all Aurons
are telepathic or not. Anyway, if cloning had been the standard method of
procreation for only about 30 Earth years, it is entirely possible that
having at least one parent was still considered normal for an Auron child
(technological development usually outpaces changes in social customs). So
Cally, or probably her whole sibling group, could have been brought up by
two individuals - parents, whether "assigned" or voluntary. "Mother" and
"father" need not be limited to mean one's biological parents.
More likely it was that Steed didn't realise all this; after all, there
was no mention of Cally being a clone before "Children of Auron", and
every writer probably worked alone without knowing what the others were
writing. It would have been up to Boucher to correct this but maybe he
didn't think anyone would notice...
Oh yes, where to stick "Cygnus Alpha" in the game?
Well, you can stick it -
Er, what I mean is : put it above "Moloch" because if nothing else, it is
better than that episode.
Kai Karmanheimo
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:14:26 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] squash ladder
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Animals should be above Space Fall.
I've already mentioned David Boyce's brilliant character acting, but
there is also the excellent supporting cast of Ralph Morse, Nick Joseph
et al. Space Fall, I admit, was an excellent episode, just not up to the
standards of Animals.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:19:41 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
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In a message dated 10/20/1999 8:33:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl writes:
> You know, this could be a fun new game: Spot the Quote. Who knows who said
> the following in which episode:
>
> "I'll be back."
Roj Blake, in The Way Back, just before the end.
Tiger M
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:25:34 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
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Kai wrote:
<1) Orac being able to scramble the System in "Redemption�.
<snip>
2. Ensor somehow came across Spaceworld technology (pieces of a derelict
spacecraft?), copied the computer design and took out a patent for it to
avoid having to pay licensing fees (not very likely, though).>
I�ve always presumed that the System was with Earth origin. Probably some
separate group of people had been tear off during the initial spreading of
the humanity into the galaxy. Because neither their technology, nor the
structure of their society seemed to be much different than ours. May be
Ensor had just *improved* the capabilities of the Zen-like computer.
Just thoughts.
Hellen
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:58:19 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Calle Dybedahl wrote:
> Given the existence of the transcripts and grep, this is a very easy game.
Given the existence of dictionaries, Scrabble is a very easy game.
That's why the use of one is cheating. ;-)
Mistral
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:31:32 -0500
From: Susan Moore <susan.moore@uni.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>
> Said Penny:
> >
> > He wanted the Liberator. Treasure-hold, costume-room, awesomely advanced
> > Altazoid technology and all. The 'new-life-on-earth' bird in the hand must
> > have paled dreadfully in comparison.
> >
To which Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> ... Altazoid... the Curiously Strong computer-enslaved race.
ROFL!!
Somehow, I can see this as a Rosenthal cartoon.
Susan M.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:57:45 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Hellen wrote:
>> > In the original (humanoid bit anyway) of the Liberator crew there's:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>> > Olag Gan
>>
>>Which isn't mentioned on the show, as far as I'm aware, but *is* in the
>>production material.
>
>It was. In "Bounty".
But you only have to look up 'Gan' in the Sevencyclopaedia to see that he
was first addressed by his full name as early as Time Squad (when Zen issues
a warning after decoding the projectile's log).
Neil
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:10:35 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Josh wrote:
>True, but I am assuming that the population of Earth had increased by a
>huge amount by the time of the Federation.
Not necessarily. There are implications (eg references to 'wastelands' in
Rumours) that most of Earth is unfit for habitation, so it could well be
that its population is significantly less than it is today.
The -human- population, on the other hand, might be in the order of hundreds
if not thousands of billions, scattered over thousands of planets and
artificial habitats. Planetary populations cited in the series were small
(eg six million for Albian) but that doesn't mean there can't be major
population centres on suitable worlds (Albian isn't all that suitable, being
mostly frozen). There's no reason to suppose that Earth is the most
populated planet in the galaxy, not even within the Federation.
Neil
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:11:12 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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Kai wrote:
>1) Orac being able to scramble the System in "Redemption". <snip>
>2. Ensor somehow came across Spaceworld technology (pieces of a derelict
>spacecraft?), copied the computer design and took out a patent for it to
>avoid having to pay licensing fees (not very likely, though).
Maybe not likely, but a bloody brilliant solution and one I've not seen
touted before. I like.
Neil
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:53:30 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Una McCormack wrote:
> > Volcano
> > The Way back
>
> You cannot be serious! Swap these around immediately! Think I said why I
> love TWB: 'Volcano' is very, very dull.
I protest! This is not as clear-cut a decision as you seem to imply.
The Way Back is necessary to set up the series, and to give us an
overview of the Federation, so it obviously wins out in terms of
overall importance to the series. But in terms of a 'better' episode?
Like Aftermath, TWB focuses on one character. Avon and Gan
are completely absent, and there's precious little Jenna and Vila.
There's also no humor, apart from the initial meeting between
Blake and Vila, which takes only seconds. It's so bleak that even
Blake is unsympathetic, and so different in both tone and content
to the rest of the series that it's a very poor representation of the
show's appeal.
Volcano, OTOH, is a very nice introduction to Tarrant and Dayna
as individuals (as opposed to how they react to Avon), has some
wonderful Avon-Vila, a whiff of Vila's backstory, *proper* use of
Cally's telepathy (as opposed to her getting 'feelings' from everybody),
and a Servalan who's scheming but not wacko. It also explains why
it's so difficult to find Blake and why Avon is so ambivalent about
the search, and subtly foreshadows Servalan's using Blake against
Avon in Terminal, so it has some relevance to the long-term plot as well.
Quite apart from that, I've used Volcano to successfully introduce
friends to the series who wouldn't have watched more that fifteen
minutes of The Way Back. Volcano followed by City is a perfect
hook for someone likely to be an Avon-Vila fan. I do realize that
my taste isn't everyone's ;-) but to my mind, Volcano has a little
bit of everything, and it's The Way Back that's very, very dull.
Just IMHO,
Mistral
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:35:13 +0100
From: Nicola Collie <nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Wonderland
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>Meredith Dixon wrote:
>> "Hatters" and "Dormice" were terms coined a few posts ago by Neil
>> Faulkner.
To which Una responded:
>I want to be a March Hare.
If I wasn't already on record as wanting to be the Cheshire Cat, I'd like
to be the caterpillar with the hookah :)
But Iain's reply was funnier:
>Only if I can be an Ely Rabbit.
LOL!
(Geographical note - March and Ely are towns near Cambridge.)
Nicola
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:24:19 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 07:46:13PM -0700, Julia Jones wrote:
> In message <380D2C9D.1BF3@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
> writes
> >Julia Jones, you're telling us Americans that where you are, cyber cafes
> >*charge* people to link up to the Net???!!!
> >
> We don't have unmetered calls in the UK.
>
> Any cybercafe has to cover the telco charges, regardless of what form
> they come in,
Likewise in Australia. The local calls aren't timed, but the ISP is
usually either timed or has volume charges.
> A cybercafe *has* to cover those costs, or it'll go out of business.
> It's unlikely to cover them from the margin on drinks, etc.
Exactly. I haven't been to a cybercafe for a long long time, so I
forget what their rates usually are, but there's a few places
(Melbourne Central shopping complex, Collins Arcade, and Melbourne
Airport) that I've seen that have these "internet kiosks" which are
little standalone terminal things, like public telephones, and they
cost $8 an hour, minumum charge $2. Or it might be $10 an hour, I
can't remember.
Considering the cost of a local telephone call from a public phone is
about 40c, no normal person is going to consider websurfing as a
casual daily activity.
It is cheaper to have a connection to an ISP yourself, but there you
have the overhead of having to purchase a computer, which even with
the great price drops, still costs about $1600 over here. Not
peanuts.
In Australia, the net is *not* as accessable as a newsagent or
bookstore.
<soapbox>
And it really irritates me how some people, once they are
on the net, assume that those people who aren't on the net don't exist
and don't count. If someone isn't on the net, some people simply
refuse to communicate with that person, even though it isn't any more
difficult to pick up the telephone or write snail mail than it used to
be before.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:30:38 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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Time Squad over Powerplay.
Time Squad has pivotal early Blake-Avon; a look at
the steel under Blake's warmth and crinkly smile (yum);
the docking scene, where one goes cross-eyed trying to
watch Avon's hands and face at the same time; the original
highly-strung-fighter-Cally (whose promise was not
fulfilled), good stuff for Vila (the three of them on
the planet work wonderfully together) and a second-string
story that, if not brilliant, at least lets those left on
the ship get some action, esp Jenna(it's a good episode for
Jenna).
Powerplay is pretty good - Avon is wonderful (but so
what's new??) and Klegg's a good villain. But there's
Dayna (whose 'Aftermath' promise of being a right pain is
admirably fulfilled from here on in) and the total wast
of air-time that is the Cally-Vila storyline.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:37:46 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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Killer over Weapon
For Dr Bellfriar (he and Blake are wonderful together) and
Gambril, Avon and Vila, the wonderful script, the plague
warning bit, and the endearing awfulness of the bug costumes.
I love lots of Weapon (Rashel, the round-Orac conference at
the beginning especially, and the way Blake's clone took what,
a few hours? to start playing up on Servie) but I love nearly everything
about Killer.
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:19:02 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Una wrote that
>Iain Coleman wrote:
that >> Una McCormack wrote:
that >> > Meredith Dixon wrote:
>> > I want to be a March Hare.
>> Only if I can be an Ely Rabbit.
>Wouldn't that have to be a Wisbech Wabbit?
Talking of quaint East Anglian place names, I have realised why I get
depressed whenever I have to go to our local airport.
There is a not so quaint village on the way which goes by the depressing
name of
.....
.....
wait for it
....
Blakes End.
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:32:46 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>(I, of course, am a Hedgehog)
Ahhh, so it stops being a squash ladder, and starts being a croquet ladder
<smile>
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:39:33 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:
>Ahhh, so it stops being a squash ladder, and starts being a croquet ladder
><smile>
And why is it a "squash ladder" anyway? Every time someone mentions the
name, I get so engrossed in puzzling over it that I'm completely distracted
from the actual procedure.
- Lisa
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:53:17 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 08:11:12PM +0100, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> Kai wrote:
> >1) Orac being able to scramble the System in "Redemption". <snip>
> >2. Ensor somehow came across Spaceworld technology (pieces of a derelict
> >spacecraft?), copied the computer design and took out a patent for it to
> >avoid having to pay licensing fees (not very likely, though).
>
> Maybe not likely, but a bloody brilliant solution and one I've not seen
> touted before. I like.
Not to mention that reverse-engineering alien technology would still
be a worthy feat, still enough to consider Ensor to be brilliant,
IMHO.
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:49:30 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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In a message dated 10/20/99 4:30:43 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com writes:
> There is a not so quaint village on the way which goes by the depressing
> name of
> .....
> .....
> wait for it
> ....
> Blakes End.
<Howl !!>
I have *GOT* to stop reading this lyst while I'm drinking anything!!! It's
too hard on my sinuses. Thanks, Andrew - that's priceless!
Nina
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:36:26 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Mistral:
>Like Aftermath, TWB focuses on one character.
This is a bit picky, but Aftermath focuses on two, or even three,
characters. Neil has argued in the past that Dayna was given a promising
debut, that she never really lived up to. And as for TWB, you could say it
introduces two characters: Blake and the Federation.
See, without seeing TWB, you can watch the whole of Series I and most of
Series II without really understanding where Servalan fits into the whole
picture. She is very powerful, but ultimately expendable. The Federation
is the big villain of the piece. Blake understands this from the word go --
which explains his dismissive attitude towards Travis and even Servalan.
Remember, the massacre in TWB wasn't instigated by Travis. It was anonymous
and bureaucratic -- as, in fact, was Avon's final demise. With TWB, you can
understand why Blake is fighting, and why he's using the tactics he's using.
>Avon and Gan are completely absent...
... which some may see as an asset, rather than a liability. <DUCK />
>It's so bleak that even Blake is unsympathetic, and so different in both
>tone and content to the rest of the series that it's a very poor
>representation of the show's appeal.
I agree and disagree with this statement. It is different in tone and
content to the rest of the series, but I wouldn't say it's a poor
representation of the show's appeal. [It got me hooked, for starters].
And, let's be fair -- the Liberator did change the situation somewhat. I
mean, if I found an Aston Martin on the M6, with the Crown Jewels in the
boot and my name on the title, I suppose even my life might change a little
bit...
Anyway, I've got some of that work stuff to do...
Cheers,
-- Rob
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:40:34 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
> >It was. In "Bounty".
>
>But you only have to look up 'Gan' in the Sevencyclopaedia to see that he
>was first addressed by his full name as early as Time Squad (when Zen
>issues
>a warning after decoding the projectile's log).
Oh, Neil, I'm sorry for *not* using The Sevencyclopaedia! Humble apologise!
;-) But the Zen's voice from "Bounty" just *rang* in my mind, as I tried to
recall who had referred to Gan's first name! Followed by the unforgettable
Vila's monologue: "Personal investigation." ... "Personal investigation."
The next time Avon wants to make a personal investigation on how you work I
shall make a personal point of handing him the instruments, personally."
But I've printed The Sevencyclopaedia and used it as a best manual ever
written. There could be found *virtually* everything (well, except one
topic, which I am working on) and one even do not need to bother watching
the show after reading it. ;-)
Unfortunately I left it in Sofia, it was too heavy to carry.
Hellen
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:04:40 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
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> > You know, this could be a fun new game: Spot the Quote. Who knows who
>said
> > the following in which episode:
> >
> > "I'll be back."
>
>Roj Blake, in The Way Back, just before the end.
That's a Jacqueline's trap, don't fall in it! ;-) ;-)
"No, I'm coming back", he said. The abovementioned quote is from Terminator
I! Arnold said it. One of my "top-fifty", say, quotations in the world
sinema.
Hellen
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:02:25 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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>From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
It was nice post, Rob, I am with you at every point. Whatever that worths...
;-)
Rob wrote:
<See, without seeing TWB, you can watch the whole of Series I and most of
Series II without really understanding where Servalan fits into the whole
picture. She is very powerful, but ultimately expendable. The Federation
is the big villain of the piece. Blake understands this from the word go --
which explains his dismissive attitude towards Travis and even Servalan.
Remember, the massacre in TWB wasn't instigated by Travis. It was anonymous
and bureaucratic -- as, in fact, was Avon's final demise. With TWB, you
can understand why Blake is fighting, and why he's using the tactics he's
using. >
As it had been mentioned before, it is hard to imagine (for the most of the
people, anyway) that the *whole* system is evil and the good guys are
actually convicted prisoners. At that point it seems to me, that the
appearance of the Federation is underrated in the rest of the episodes. It
is reduced merely to a bunch of troopers with pathetic battle skills and the
main conflict was somehow shifted from �Blake against Federation� to �Crew
against Servalan�. The conflict became even more personal in season III and
IV, whit that Servalan/Avon interactions, which is probably good for Avon
fans, but stands on the way of understanding the meaning of the whole movie.
I, personally, miss the menacing shadow of the Federation in the rest of the
episodes. One begins to ask him/herself, what they are fighting for,
actually. Especially if s/he had missed to watch �The Way Back�.
Hellen
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