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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 300
Today's Topics:
Re: Re: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Wonderland
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Wonderland
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
[B7L] Sevencyclopaedia
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
[B7L] Re: b7spin: spin airlines
Re: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #299
[B7L] Avatars away!
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
[B7L] TWB
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] TWB
[B7L] Squashie Squashie Squash Ladder!
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:20:09 +0100
From: "Josh Tildesley" <josht@rpf.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Neil wrote:
>Josh wrote:
>>True, but I am assuming that the population of Earth had increased by a
>>huge amount by the time of the Federation.
>Not necessarily. There are implications (eg references to 'wastelands' in
>Rumours) that most of Earth is unfit for habitation, so it could well be
>that its population is significantly less than it is today.
>The -human- population, on the other hand, might be in the order of
hundreds
>if not thousands of billions, scattered over thousands of planets and
>artificial habitats. Planetary populations cited in the series were small
>(eg six million for Albian) but that doesn't mean there can't be major
>population centres on suitable worlds (Albian isn't all that suitable,
being
>mostly frozen). There's no reason to suppose that Earth is the most
>populated planet in the galaxy, not even within the Federation.
>Neil
Good point, Neil.
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:23:42 +0100
From: "Josh Tildesley" <josht@rpf.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Calle wrote:
>>>>>> "Jacqueline" == Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
writes:
>
>> You know, this could be a fun new game: Spot the Quote. Who knows who
said
>> the following in which episode:
>
>> "I'll be back."
>
>Blake in "Cygnus Alpha", Cally in "Orac", the kommissar in "Horizon",
>Cevedic in "Gambit", Avon in "Terminal" and Avon in "Headhunter". More
>if you count things like "I'll be back in a minute".
>
>Given the existence of the transcripts and grep, this is a very easy game.
>--
>Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN |
calle@lysator.liu.se
> Try again. Try harder. -*- Fail again. Fail better.
Heh. Surely that's cheating! : )
Josh.
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:31:20 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Wonderland
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Nicola wrote:
> >Meredith Dixon wrote:
> >> "Hatters" and "Dormice" were terms coined a few posts ago by Neil
> >> Faulkner.
>
> To which Una responded:
> >I want to be a March Hare.
>
> If I wasn't already on record as wanting to be the Cheshire Cat, I'd like
> to be the caterpillar with the hookah :)
>
> But Iain's reply was funnier:
> >Only if I can be an Ely Rabbit.
>
> LOL!
>
> (Geographical note - March and Ely are towns near Cambridge.)
Showing us up as playing possibly the most tragic game currently on the
Lyst.
Una
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:28:52 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Calle wrote:
> >>>>> "Una" == Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Is that right? How interesting. I've never noticed that before. When is
> > it mentioned?
>
> Zen says it when he's pointing out to Vila that it's not really Gan
speaking.
Two out of two, Calle. I'll have to come up with a *really* tricky one next.
Una ;)
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:41:28 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] squash ladder
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Steve said:
> Animals should be above Space Fall.
>
>
> I've already mentioned David Boyce's brilliant character acting, but
> there is also the excellent supporting cast of Ralph Morse, Nick Joseph
> et al. Space Fall, I admit, was an excellent episode, just not up to the
> standards of Animals.
In fact, if we have 'Animals' second now, we should really put it ahead of
'Blake'. 'Blake' is such a miserable old episode and made me really sad as a
small child. Whereas 'Animals' did not impinge on my consciousness at all
when I was young.
Una
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:07:04 -0500
From: "huh" <huh@ccm.net>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] squash ladder
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----- Original Message -----
From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] squash ladder
> Steve said:
>
> > Animals should be above Space Fall.
> >
> >
> > I've already mentioned David Boyce's brilliant character acting, but
> > there is also the excellent supporting cast of Ralph Morse, Nick Joseph
> > et al. Space Fall, I admit, was an excellent episode, just not up to the
> > standards of Animals.
>
> In fact, if we have 'Animals' second now, we should really put it ahead of
> 'Blake'. 'Blake' is such a miserable old episode and made me really sad as
a
> small child. Whereas 'Animals' did not impinge on my consciousness at all
> when I was young.
>
>
> Una
Heck, I think it should be done, just so Una can be happy for a bit. Every
time she writes moving it up I wind up laughing like a maniac. Anyone who
cares this much about an episode deserves to see it top at least for a bit.
I have never seen "animals" so I can't even comment about it, but it is
kind of hilarious to think of an episode typically considered poor to be
doing this well. I'm laughing again. :) Although nothing compares to
actually seeing Blake bite the dust in the last episode. Talk about
stunning.
lisabeth
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:06:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Wonderland
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On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Una McCormack wrote:
> Nicola wrote:
> >
> > But Iain's reply was funnier:
> > >Only if I can be an Ely Rabbit.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > (Geographical note - March and Ely are towns near Cambridge.)
>
> Showing us up as playing possibly the most tragic game currently on the
> Lyst.
>
I feel curiously proud of this achievement.
Iain
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:06:58 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] squash ladder
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lisabeth wrote:
> Heck, I think it should be done, just so Una can be happy for a bit. Every
> time she writes moving it up I wind up laughing like a maniac. Anyone who
> cares this much about an episode deserves to see it top at least for a
bit.
> I have never seen "animals" so I can't even comment about it, but it is
> kind of hilarious to think of an episode typically considered poor to be
> doing this well. I'm laughing again. :)
I thank you!
Una
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:28:25 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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On Wed 20 Oct, Hellen Paskaleva wrote:
> Kai wrote:
> <1) Orac being able to scramble the System in "Redemption�.
> <snip>
> 2. Ensor somehow came across Spaceworld technology (pieces of a derelict
> spacecraft?), copied the computer design and took out a patent for it to
> avoid having to pay licensing fees (not very likely, though).>
>
> I�ve always presumed that the System was with Earth origin. Probably some
> separate group of people had been tear off during the initial spreading of
> the humanity into the galaxy. Because neither their technology, nor the
> structure of their society seemed to be much different than ours. May be
> Ensor had just *improved* the capabilities of the Zen-like computer.
I always assume the System to be of Earth origin too. There's several good
reasons to believe it.
However, that aside, I think people are falling into what I call the 'father of'
fallacy. History loves to cite single inventors. What is more often the case
is that several people discover things independently - history only tends to
give credit to the first.
eg. Newton was not the only person to independently invent calculus.
Wallace came up with a theory of evolution quite independently of Darwin.
There are many more cases.
I always assume that Ensor and the System both invented tariel cells.
Judith
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:00:53 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Sevencyclopaedia
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On Thu 21 Oct, Hellen Paskaleva wrote:
> But I've printed The Sevencyclopaedia and used it as a best manual ever
> written. There could be found *virtually* everything (well, except one
> topic, which I am working on) and one even do not need to bother watching
> the show after reading it. ;-)
When you've worked on it <grin> I hope you'll let me have it to add into the
Sevencyclopaedia. The online version gets updated now and then as people
(usually Murray who is wonderful) give me new entries for things that got
overlooked originally.
We also have sessions once every blue moon where we add in batches of pictures,
so the beastie is gradually getting illustrated.
For those who haven't found it yet, the Sevencyclopaedia is at
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
>
> Unfortunately I left it in Sofia, it was too heavy to carry.
Well, you could always buy the paper version <smile> or download it all again.
I still have copies available. Neil said I could put it on the web as long as I
kept it available to those not on the net, and I've done that. I use it
regularly when I'm writing stories.
Judith
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:13:40 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Una wrote:
>I want to be a March Hare.
You'll need a sex change first.
'Although breeding is not confined to a restricted season, there is great
increase in the sexual activity of the males of both species [of British
hare] in the spring. At this time the males lose much of their caution, and
career about the countryside in broad daylight chasing and fighting with
each other, and pursuing the females.' (L Harrison Matthews, The New
Naturalist: British Mammals). Hence the expression, 'mad as a March hare'.
Still keen?
Neil, a not-so-new naturalist.
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:55:35 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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I wrote:
>Kai wrote:
>>1) Orac being able to scramble the System in "Redemption". <snip>
>>2. Ensor somehow came across Spaceworld technology (pieces of a derelict
>>spacecraft?), copied the computer design and took out a patent for it to
>>avoid having to pay licensing fees (not very likely, though).
>
>Maybe not likely, but a bloody brilliant solution and one I've not seen
>touted before. I like.
However, it has since occurred to me that if System technology did utilise
tarial cells, Avon would surely have realised that and sooner rather than
later. So why didn't he ever pass comment on the fact?
Of course, he might have done so 'out-of-episode', or he may have kept quiet
about it for his own purposes. Though I would expect him to mention it to
at least Blake, who was hardly Mr Thickie when it came to technical matters.
Neil
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:39:39 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Joanne wrote:
>Ahhh, so it stops being a squash ladder, and starts being a croquet ladder
><smile>
Does that mean you're claiming to be a long-legged bird with a big schnozz?
Neil, lowering the tone as usual
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:39:18 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Latest Squash Ladder
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Mistral wrote, re Volcano's claim to be a better ep than TWB:
>I protest! This is not as clear-cut a decision as you seem to imply.
>
>Like Aftermath, TWB focuses on one character. Avon and Gan
>are completely absent, and there's precious little Jenna and Vila.
>There's also no humor, apart from the initial meeting between
>Blake and Vila, which takes only seconds. It's so bleak that even
>Blake is unsympathetic, and so different in both tone and content
>to the rest of the series that it's a very poor representation of the
>show's appeal.
But it's the bleakness and lack of humour that make it such a good episode
for some people. Well, at least one person (namely this one). Light
entertainment it ain't. A pity more of the tone we get in TWB couldn't have
been carried over into the rest of the series. I also wish Vila had stayed
more the way he was in this ep, with a sly and sinister undertow - he
actually gives the impression of being quite dangerous. TWB is probably the
closest B7 comes to being serious drama, and since precious little TVSF
falls into that category, it shows how B7 could have been something utterly
unique.
>Volcano, OTOH, is a very nice introduction to Tarrant and Dayna
>as individuals (as opposed to how they react to Avon), has some
>wonderful Avon-Vila, a whiff of Vila's backstory, *proper* use of
>Cally's telepathy (as opposed to her getting 'feelings' from everybody),
>and a Servalan who's scheming but not wacko. It also explains why
>it's so difficult to find Blake and why Avon is so ambivalent about
>the search, and subtly foreshadows Servalan's using Blake against
>Avon in Terminal, so it has some relevance to the long-term plot as well.
Volcano, OTOH, is yet another Pointlessly Cunning Plan episode, with a
cliched community-in-a-bottle, with the odd scrap of cliched dialogue thrown
in ('They did it. They really did it.'), a naff robot, silly costumes,
Cally's telepathy suddenly being not half as efficient as it has previously
been shown to be (she also loses the ability to count), and a right thicky
as Servalan's henchman (stock 2-in-C for the average would-be Evil
Overlord). Since it's an Allan Prior episode you expect a couple of
continuity errors, but Volcano is riddled with them (pursuit ships are
called cruisers, Zen is suddenly given the ability to detect the firing of a
single hand weapon on the surface of an entire planetary hemisphere, command
ranks don't correlate with anything else in the series, and detector ranges
were probably all to pot but I honestly can't be bothered to go and check
the script). Basically, I just try not to think about this one.
Neil
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:34:07 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Neil wrote:
> Una wrote:
> >I want to be a March Hare.
>
> You'll need a sex change first.
>
> 'Although breeding is not confined to a restricted season, there is great
> increase in the sexual activity of the males of both species [of British
> hare] in the spring. At this time the males lose much of their caution,
and
> career about the countryside in broad daylight chasing and fighting with
> each other, and pursuing the females.' (L Harrison Matthews, The New
> Naturalist: British Mammals). Hence the expression, 'mad as a March
hare'.
>
> Still keen?
Well, do you have any better offers?
Una
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:08:50 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: b7spin: spin airlines
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On Thu, Oct 21, 1999 at 06:38:45PM +1000, Roger the Shrubber wrote:
> Kanderson Airways
> There are 7 crew and one passenger per flight.
Hmmm. (Kathryn scratches head) Not sure if that's meant to be a
compliment or an indictment. Does that mean it's well-flown, but we
don't actually get anywhere? Or that I'm extremely unpopular?
Or simply that my views are so wierd I don't get many
fellow-travellers?
(Kathryn scratches head again, wondering if she's dense.)
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:02:12 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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>Josh wrote:
>>True, but I am assuming that the population of Earth had increased by a
>>huge amount by the time of the Federation.
To which Neil replied
>Not necessarily. There are implications (eg references to 'wastelands' in
>Rumours) that most of Earth is unfit for habitation, so it could well be
>that its population is significantly less than it is today.
>
>The -human- population, on the other hand, might be in the order of
hundreds
>if not thousands of billions, scattered over thousands of planets and
>artificial habitats. Planetary populations cited in the series were small
>(eg six million for Albian) but that doesn't mean there can't be major
>population centres on suitable worlds (Albian isn't all that suitable,
being
>mostly frozen). There's no reason to suppose that Earth is the most
>populated planet in the galaxy, not even within the Federation.
But in the dim and distant past, the prime motivation for the development of
Squirbles law, and fast than light space travel would be such a massive
population expansion. Of course said same expansion beyond the capabilities
of the land to support the population tends to result in wastelands. So does
the war like behaviour of a population so circumstanced.
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:26:21 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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I've always found TWB / Space Fall strangely inconsistent with the rest of
the series. The following point throws a lot of light on that uncomfortable
feeling. It would have been very interesting had Servalan / Travis not been
so dominant and the crew battled against the machine of the Federation. But
then Blakes 7 without Servalan and Travis .....?....... A lot of non fans I
know remember Blakes 7 because of these characters.
Andrew
p.s. latest ladder at the end of the message.
From: Hellen Paskaleva
>From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
Rob wrote:
<See, without seeing TWB, you can watch the whole of Series I and most of
Series II without really understanding where Servalan fits into the whole
picture. She is very powerful, but ultimately expendable. The Federation
is the big villain of the piece. Blake understands this from the word go --
which explains his dismissive attitude towards Travis and even Servalan.
Remember, the massacre in TWB wasn't instigated by Travis. It was anonymous
and bureaucratic -- as, in fact, was Avon's final demise. With TWB, you
can understand why Blake is fighting, and why he's using the tactics he's
using. >
As it had been mentioned before, it is hard to imagine (for the most of the
people, anyway) that the *whole* system is evil and the good guys are
actually convicted prisoners. At that point it seems to me, that the
appearance of the Federation is underrated in the rest of the episodes. It
is reduced merely to a bunch of troopers with pathetic battle skills and the
main conflict was somehow shifted from �Blake against Federation� to �Crew
against Servalan�. The conflict became even more personal in season III and
IV, whit that Servalan/Avon interactions, which is probably good for Avon
fans, but stands on the way of understanding the meaning of the whole movie.
I, personally, miss the menacing shadow of the Federation in the rest of the
episodes. One begins to ask him/herself, what they are fighting for,
actually. Especially if s/he had missed to watch �The Way Back�.
Blake
**** Animals ***** !!!!!!!!
Space Fall
Time Squad
Power Play
Duel
Trial
Killer
Weapon
Sarcophagus
Power
The Way back
Volcano
The City at the Edge of the World
Star One
The Web
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:51:22 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd one out...
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Jacqueline said...
>Zen mentions Gan's full name when he tells the crew that the transmission
>using Gan's voice is a fake. Which warning is of course delivered just a
few
>seconds too late for it to help anyone. Is this by any chance covered by
>Squirbles law, too?
Sorry to any adherents of squirbles law, but this experiemental evidence
falls in perfectly adequately with Murphy's law, and so can not be used to
support the more complicated theory.
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:37:43 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>Does that mean you're claiming to be a long-legged bird with a big
> >schnozz?
I grew out of wanting to wear pink some time ago.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:45:40 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> You know, this could be a fun new game: Spot the Quote. Who knows who said
> the following in which episode:
>
> "I'll be back."
>
> No joke, honest.
>
> Jacqueline
I can't place the episode, but in my mind I hear Vila saying it,
casually, as he's headed toward the teleport.
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:45:39 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avatars away!
Message-ID: <mrJvQEAzv+D4EwGo@jajones.demon.co.uk>
Finally acquired a copy of John M Ford's "How Much For Just The Planet?"
How the hell did he get away with *that*?
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:29:18 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
Message-ID: <19991021.231217.8990.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:55:35 +0100 "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
writes:
Though I would expect him to mention
>it to
>at least Blake, who was hardly Mr Thickie when it came to technical
>matters.
>
>Neil
>
Except when the plot requires it, that wonderful 'fluctuating IQ'
phenomena.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:59:43 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] TWB
Message-ID: <19991021.231217.8990.2.Rilliara@juno.com>
One thing about TWB and the reason it didn't click for me.
OK, I'd seen other episodes, but all you had to do was watch the opening
sequence to know Blake was not going to be found innocent. The plot had
no suspense at all. We even knew he'd already been brainwashed, for
pity's sake! There just weren't any surprises.
It's pretty useless as a fanfic idea (see above paragraph), but (if it
were to be done again) I'd do it from the lawyer's point of view. Here's
this nice, yuppie sort of guy living his nice, yuppie sort of life when
he gets this obviously nutty client ("They changed my memories! They
killed all these people you can't prove existed--and whose names I don't
know--because they changed my memories! The accusers are lying because
they changed _their_ memories!").
Instead of finding out in the first thrity seconds that everyone lives in
a '1984' style state, the lawyer slowly begins to put the pieces
together. Revelation piles on revelation till he finds the massacre site
and films it--only to get two last revelations. There is _no_ privacy in
his world, and he is expendable.
Then cut to Blake being sent off, "I'm coming back," yadda, yadda, yadda,
as the audience realizes the character they expected to become the
hero--or at least supporting cast--is gone.
Sorry, I'm having writing demons.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:49:39 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Message-ID: <19991021.231217.8990.1.Rilliara@juno.com>
Sarcophagus over Weapon
The costumes are better.
If someone says they can accurately predict the future, they accurately
predict the future, including their own defeat and death. They don't
say, "Well, how was I to know he'd bring a friend along? Why don't you
people tell me these things?"
The ring looked a lot better than the ray gun.
If the villain wasn't killing the heroes when the chance arose, it was
because she _really_ couldn't.
Red wig and gold make-up make a much more convincing alien terror than a
mutant muppet claw (although less amusing. Maybe I shouldn't count this).
Incredibly ancient and possibly not really human females do not need a
funny musical score to tell people to take them seriously.
There were no deeply philosophical slave girls saying the alien's ship
was deserted because "They were free" and could leave if they wanted.
There were no deeply philosophical slave girls ignoring the possibilities
of large carnivores as a factor in low population counts.
Actually, there were no slave girls. Or clones. Or mad scientists
(well, technically sane, but they were working on it).
And, if someone was smart enough to beat everyone else in a game, he just
did it and didn't demand another character be sent onstage for the sole
purpose of giving him someone to tell how smart he was.
If someone was against killing a specific person or killing in general,
they took away the villain's means of killing people instead of just
nattering on about it.
If Avon walked into a trap, he eventually noticed, reasoned out who was
behind it, and did something about it.
If living forever (Ok, it was equivalent only, but Servalan was obviously
impressed) was as easy as the Clone Masters had it, everyone would be
doing it.
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:01:02 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] TWB
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Ellyune said
>Then cut to Blake being sent off, "I'm coming back," yadda, yadda, yadda,
>as the audience realizes the character they expected to become the
>hero--or at least supporting cast--is gone.
This is it. You've got it just right. That really would have been fantastic.
People will (from way back :-) remember Harriet and I talking about the
platonic version of B7 - the perfect show that the real series sort of
tantalisingly hints at.
I think we've got a synopsis of episode 1 here.
Alison
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:23:16 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Squashie Squashie Squash Ladder!
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>Duel
>Trial
'Trial' should be above 'Duel':
Zil has a *believable* reason for the way she interacts with Blake; Giroc
and Sinofar are a couple of totally cartoonish 'Star Trek'-style
all-powerful entities. Likewise the planet in 'Trial' is...reasonably
plausible...whereas the one in 'Duel' is, again, Totally Trek.
Moreover, both 'Duel' and 'Trial' set out to present to us the Travis/Blake
'Goofus and Gallant' two-sides-of-the-same-coin dichotomy, but whereas
'Duel' accomplishes this by saying 'Travis BAD! BAD! BAD! Blake GOOD! GOOD!
GOOD!', 'Trial' says 'Blake, despite his many flaws, is Good; Travis,
despite his numerous virtues, is Bad."
--
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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:40:07 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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Judith wrote:
>However, that aside, I think people are falling into what I call the
'father of'
>fallacy. History loves to cite single inventors. What is more often the
case
>is that several people discover things independently - history only tends
to
>give credit to the first.
>eg. Newton was not the only person to independently invent calculus.
>Wallace came up with a theory of evolution quite independently of Darwin.
>There are many more cases.
I thought it was logarithms rather than calculus but that's beside the
point. Simultaneous inventions like these tend to be made by two people
working in the same intellectual circles. They might not know each other
personally, but they're working from the same starting point, have access to
the same references, share the same currents of thought flowing through the
scientific community.
The System, OTOH, has been estranged from the rest of humanity for quite
some period of time (probably nearer centuries rather than decades?) and
thus plied its own course of technological development. Avon remarks that
the Liberator is 'conceptually alien' at an early stage in the series. This
reduces the likelihood of Ensor developing something compatible by chance.
Neil
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Date: 22 Oct 1999 08:42:42 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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>>>>> "Neil" == Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes:
> I thought it was logarithms rather than calculus but that's beside
> the point.
It was calculus. Newton and Leibnitz invented it more or less at the
same time, and even today the notations we use are a mixture of their
slightly different ways of doing it.
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"My Body Is A Temple...To Bacchus" -- Penny Dreadful
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:47:25 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Andrew wrote:
>p.s. latest ladder at the end of the message.
>
>Blake
>**** Animals ***** !!!!!!!!
Hey, I argued that should be the other way round!
Una
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 02:40:45 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Una:
> >p.s. latest ladder at the end of the message.
> >
> >Blake
> >**** Animals ***** !!!!!!!!
>
>Hey, I argued that should be the other way round!
Er. Surely, Una, you understand the mechanics of power well enough to know
the dangers of challenging the Neutral Arbiter?
Consider yourself warned...
-- Rob
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:29:37 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Rob:
> Una:
>
> > >p.s. latest ladder at the end of the message.
> > >
> > >Blake
> > >**** Animals ***** !!!!!!!!
> >
> >Hey, I argued that should be the other way round!
>
>
> Er. Surely, Una, you understand the mechanics of power well enough to
know
> the dangers of challenging the Neutral Arbiter?
>
> Consider yourself warned...
In this house, 'mechanics of power' = 'Una sez'. It's a simple rule, and
you'll get to like it once you've tried it out ;)
Una
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 05:33:42 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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>In this house, 'mechanics of power' = 'Una sez'. It's a simple rule, and
>you'll get to like it once you've tried it out ;)
I see. I *will* get to like it. Whether I like it or not.
Good system!
-- Rob
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