From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #304 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume99/304 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 304 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: Spaced Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Re: [B7L] costumes and props Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder Re:[B7L]Quick Quiz (was squash ladder) Re: [B7L] Re:Tariel cells in the ystem... [B7L] quick quiz [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #302... squash ladder Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder [B7L] Re: Weapon Re:[B7L]Quick Quiz (was squash ladder) Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder [B7L] Squash ladder [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #302... squash ladder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:59:29 +0100 From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Spaced Message-ID: <3815B3C1.30F87EA@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louise Rutter wrote: > > I love this too! I knew lots of people like these in Cambridge... Naming no names... ;) Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:00:47 +0100 From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder Message-ID: <3815B40F.37D17C58@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Rogerson wrote: > > I'd like to put Weapon above Sarcophagus. I didn't like Sarcophagus at > all as an episode, it was just too much fantasy. I don't mind fantasy, > but that just didn't fit into the B7 world for me. Weapon on the other > hand meant I could, years later, have fun with a laser pointer. I would beg to differ. 'Sarcophagus' had a huge impact on me when I was small(er). It was the episode I most remembered during the tapeless years, and I think it stands up extremely well. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:23:40 +0100 From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <3815B96C.F13AA3FF@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Clother wrote: > My excuse, as I explained earlier, was that I was a > pre-pubescent dustbin lid with all the good taste of a Norwich City > supporter. Blimey! East Anglia handbags! Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:25:28 +0100 From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <3815B9D8.DA7A8D6@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Ellis wrote: > Animals > Blake > Space Fall > Time Squad > Power Play > Trial > Duel > * Weapon > * Sarcophagus > * Killer > * The Way back > * Power > Volcano > The City at the Edge of the World > The Web > Star One > The Keeper > Gold > Orbit > Sand > Ultraworld > Terminal > Games > Stardrive > Assassin > Dawn of the Gods > Aftermath > Headhunter > Mission to Destiny > The Harvest of Kairos > Rescue > Shadow > Children of Auron > Death Watch > Bounty > Rumours of Death > Project Avalon > Breakdown > Seek Locate Destroy > Horizon > Warlord > Deliverance > Pressure Point > Orac > Hostage > Redemption > Voice from the Past > Countdown > Gambit What is 'Gambit' doing all the way down here? Send it *right* up, boys and girls! I vote to send it up into its rightful end of the table, just below 'City at the Edge of the World'. Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:56:23 PDT From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <19991026155624.44871.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Rob Clother wrote: > > > My excuse, as I explained earlier, was that I was a > > pre-pubescent dustbin lid with all the good taste of a Norwich > City >supporter. > >Blimey! East Anglia handbags! > >Una And it's only been four months. That's what this place does to you, I'm afraid... -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:45:09 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] costumes and props Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1026154509-bc8Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 25 Oct, Reuben Herfindahl wrote: > > Would anyone be interested in the possibility of some kind of a > > costume/props data base for collectors? > > Yes! I think it is an excellent idea! Not only for the reasons listed > below, but for confirming authenticity. In my case I own a costume I know > is original, but I do not have any "official" looking certificate of > authenticity. It would be difficult to sell to people outside of the few I > know from lists for this reason. If there was a database online it would be > simple to verify it's authenticity. This would also come in handy if (for > example) an item showed up on e-bay and one wanted to confirm it's > authenticity. Okay, here's one way I could do it. I could keep a list of costumes and make the list available, but not make much more information than that public. Then I could forward messages to the owner if anyone wanted to get in touch. I could also try and keep a record of chains of ownership, which would be useful if needed to authenticate an item. I think I know where you got your costume from and it has a good pedigree. If you want to kick start it, send me your name and snail-mail address off-list and as many details of the costume as you can - size, description, episode, etc. (I know you've done some of that already - I'm just trying to establish a format). A photo might be a good idea too. If I get more than a few reponses, then I'll set up a small corner of the web site for costumes - I imagine photos might be of general interest. Addresses and ownnership chains would not be shown on the web site. Does that sound workable? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:36:08 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1026173608-bbaRr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 25 Oct, Steve Rogerson wrote: > I'd like to put Weapon above Sarcophagus. I didn't like Sarcophagus at > all as an episode, it was just too much fantasy. I don't mind fantasy, > but that just didn't fit into the B7 world for me. Weapon on the other > hand meant I could, years later, have fun with a laser pointer. By the > way, who was the actor who played Blake's clones? He was very good, > almost as good as Gareth Thomas. Good looking too. Wonder if he's now got curly white hair too? (I rather like Gareth looking like Santa.) Weapon has to be a great episode - two clones and Blake! What more could you wish for? Incidentally, quick quiz question - which actor played the most parts in B7? (you have to name the parts to win) Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:36:42 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1026073642-b49Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII fushed with triumph at getting the Web promoted over Star One, I shall proposed that it overtake 'City at the Edge of the World'. It's an easy task. Even the decimas are more believeable than Brian the spider! Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:46:54 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com> To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder Message-ID: <003e01bf1fe2$7a20c0a0$ab87bc3e@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> >Incidentally, quick quiz question - which actor played >the most parts in B7? (you have to name the parts to win) > Well the obvious answer is Peter Tuddenham (Zen, Orac, Slave) but seeing as it is so obvious I guess it is wrong... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:03:34 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com> To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re:[B7L]Quick Quiz (was squash ladder) Message-ID: <000301bf1fe4$ce2810c0$ab87bc3e@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Incidentally, quick quiz question - which actor played >the most parts in B7? (you have to name the parts to win) > Second attempt and I have got a tie. Deep Roy with four: as a Decima (The Web), The Klute (Gambit), Moloch (Moloch) a links (Terminal) Stuart Fell also with four: as Dortmunn (Mission to Destiny), an anonymous labourer (Harvest of Kairos), one of Bayban's men (City at the Edge of the World) a Sarran warrior (Aftermath) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:49:18 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Tariel cells in the ystem... Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1026184918-354Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 26 Oct, Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > > > The System, OTOH, has been estranged from the rest of humanity for quite > > some period of time (probably nearer centuries rather than decades?) and > > thus plied its own course of technological development. Avon remarks that > > the Liberator is 'conceptually alien' at an early stage in the series. This > > reduces the likelihood of Ensor developing something compatible by chance. > > > This is a pretty good arguement against simultaneous development, but > HOW seperated was the System from the Federation intellectually? > My thought is this-- in spite of the many advances of the System, > perhaps *they* are the ones who stole Tariel cells. In fact, they may > not be creative at all, but more Borg-like in their finding ways to > improve their technology simply by spying on and stealing from other > cultures. No, the time-line doesn't match. Ensor developed tarial cells around 30 years ago. The System was able to take over other computers in the tri-system, which suggests that they had tarial cells then. That was before the slave's father was born. So I think the System had tarial cells first. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:28:56 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] quick quiz Message-ID: <02be01bf1ff2$de3623e0$6b14063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Incidentally, quick quiz question - which actor played the most parts in B7? >(you have to name the parts to win) > >Judith > Gareth Thomas. (6) 1 - Blake the gullible chap (from TWB) 2 - Blake (from 25 other episodes) 3 - Blake the clone (dead) 4 - Blake the clone (still going strong) 5 - Blake the illusion (from Terminal) 6 - Blake the so disfigured it could be any cheap plastic surgeons attempt (from Blake) - so he's not dead even though Avon disintegrated his chest. and never seen on screen, Blake the clone, held back by the clone masters. In humour Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:28:20 PDT From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #302... squash ladder Message-ID: <19991026212820.90071.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Avona wrote: <And Assassin is better than Blake (Uh... well it's worth a giggle)> Now I'm sure there were laughs to be had in 'Blake', if I could pry my fingers away from over my eyes long enough to check... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:24:35 EDT From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <0.d1f2f6af.25479233@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/25/99 1:01:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com writes: > >[Defence of "Power"] > > > Can't comment: haven't seen it. Anyone else like to explain why it should > go below TWB? It's a Ben Steed script. 'Nuff said. <g> Nina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:08:06 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Weapon Message-ID: <381688B6.7030@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This isn't a superweapon. It's a _ray gun_. For it to be of any use, > you'd have to sneak it in and shoot all the leaders of the Federation (or > whatever evil planet) in the first place. Probably some interesting > applications, but a tad more limited than they made out. > Well, but then, no one can be sure if they've been tagged... or if they've NOT been tagged. Or if their loved ones have, depending on which you think would be a better way of controlling them. So you wouldn't have to shoot all the leaders if you can get them to BELIEVE they've been shot. The power of the weapon isn't the power to kill; it's the power of life and death over a living being. Of course, the next point about sending in a goon squad was very good. There are a lot of weaknesses to the Weapon, including the fact that it *does* have a limited range in a universe where FTL travel is common enough to use as a method of disposing of prisoners. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:29:20 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re:[B7L]Quick Quiz (was squash ladder) Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1026212920-b49Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 26 Oct, Julie Horner wrote: > >Incidentally, quick quiz question - which actor played > >the most parts in B7? (you have to name the parts to win) > > > > Second attempt and I have got a tie. > > Deep Roy with four: > as a Decima (The Web), > The Klute (Gambit), > Moloch (Moloch) > a links (Terminal) > > Stuart Fell also with four: > as Dortmunn (Mission to Destiny), > an anonymous labourer (Harvest of Kairos), > one of Bayban's men (City at the Edge of the World) > a Sarran warrior (Aftermath) That's better <smile>. And Gareth Thomas as well <grin> Blake, two clones of Blake and a computer simulation of Blake! I usually count Deep Roy over Stuart Fell as more of his parts had names. I remember a friend of mine saying that whenever he spotted Stuart Fell playing an extra, he knew who was going to get shot! Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 03:26:15 PDT From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <19991027102615.86859.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Una wrote: <What is 'Gambit' doing all the way down here? Send it *right* up, boys and girls! I vote to send it up into its rightful end of the table, just below 'City at the Edge of the World'.> Hey, if we can do bulk moves, that will save a lot of time (and drive Andrew crazy keeping track) Shadow should move to just below Blake. Pressure Point to just below Shadow. Star One to just below Pressure Point. All of the above on the pure and simple grounds that they are truly wonderful. Power and Moloch to just below Traitor. Stardrive to another TV series entirely. Now *that* looks a bit better...(yes, yes, I know it's also cheating <grin>) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:06:13 +0100 From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <3816F8C5.33A92A7@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Proctor wrote: > > fushed with triumph at getting the Web promoted over Star One, I shall proposed > that it overtake 'City at the Edge of the World'. No way, Jose! 'City' is one of the greats. 'The Web' isn't. Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:25:24 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Squash ladder Message-ID: <3816FD42.FDB29620@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I propose Deliverance ahead of Warlord. Deliverance was the start of one of the few proper arc stories in B7, and it led them to getting Orac. It contains one of my favourite lines - "The Lord Avon will protect you" - and the cavemen were cool, if stupid. Warlord, on the other hand, has Tarrant acting like a lovesick jerk and Avon thinking he could trust the likes of Zukan - Blake would never have made that mistake. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Be inconsistent, but not all the time ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:56:18 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #302... squash ladder Message-ID: <19991027.085607.10262.0.Rilliara@juno.com> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:12:09 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> writes: >> Sorry reasoned arguments, you lost. >> >> Una, I take it that its round to your house for copious quantities >of >> champagne. >> >> Animals >> Blake >.... > >It's starting to look like we could end up with an alphabetical >list... >But we'd have to think of reasons why Aftermath is better that Animals >(Hal Mellanby! Actually a really good character) >And Assassin is better than Blake >(Uh... well it's worth a giggle) > Well, there's the evil Federation--no, they both have that. Well, there's a new planet--scratch that. Avon's best laid plans get him into troubles he never dreamed of (I hope)--doesn't work either. There's a bunch of outlaws who'll hunt any shipwreck survivors on the planet for cash--not quite. Lots of dead bodies--no. Costuming--forget I said that. Oh, uhm--wait! I've got it! The reappearance of one of our favorite B7 troublemakers, Servalan! It's not like there are any familiar faces in Blake. Oh. Right. Still working on it. Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #304 **************************************