From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #305 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume99/305 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 305 Today's Topics: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Re: [B7L] Squash ladder [B7L] Re: Weapon [B7L] The squash ladder game. Re: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin? Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies. Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder RE: [B7L] Squash ladder [B7L] BBC DVD's Re: [B7L] BBC DVD's Re: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Re: [B7L] Squash ladder Re: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Re: [B7L] costumes and props Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder [B7L] The squash ladder game. [B7L] Squash ladder [B7L] Re: [B7] Sales figures for the tapes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:59:21 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Message-ID: <19991027.085607.10262.1.Rilliara@juno.com> On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:35:03 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> writes: >> >> The System, OTOH, has been estranged from the rest of humanity for >quite >> some period of time (probably nearer centuries rather than decades?) >and >> thus plied its own course of technological development. Avon >remarks that >> the Liberator is 'conceptually alien' at an early stage in the >series. This >> reduces the likelihood of Ensor developing something compatible by >chance. >> >This is a pretty good arguement against simultaneous development, but >HOW seperated was the System from the Federation intellectually? >My thought is this-- in spite of the many advances of the System, >perhaps *they* are the ones who stole Tariel cells. In fact, they may >not be creative at all, but more Borg-like in their finding ways to >improve their technology simply by spying on and stealing from other >cultures. >In which case, there may be another group out there with teleport >capabilities. >--Avona > And the System spoke English--but _Zen_ didn't until he got it from Jenna. Almost as if he wasn't System made. This might explain why a bunch of other ships were trying to destroy Liberator when it first appeared--they were the origianls Zen was stolen from. Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:13:34 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash ladder Message-ID: <19991027.092254.10262.2.Rilliara@juno.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:25:24 +0100 Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> writes: >I propose Deliverance ahead of Warlord. >Warlord, on the other hand, has Tarrant acting like a lovesick jerk >and >Avon thinking he could trust the likes of Zukan - Blake would never >have >made that mistake. > And (not to dwell on costume difficulties, because B7 often did a very good job and, after all, maybe the future will be populated evil armies wearing three foot shoulder pads) there's a reason Zukan's daughter is known in some quarters as 'Pinky,' and it's not all because of the wig. You can just imagine her as a little kid when her dad was still an up and coming pirate, can't you? "What are we going to do tonight,dad?" "The same thing we do every night, Pinky, try to take over the world!" Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:22:52 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Weapon Message-ID: <19991027.092254.10262.3.Rilliara@juno.com> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:08:06 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> writes: >> >> This isn't a superweapon. It's a _ray gun_. For it to be of any >use, >> you'd have to sneak it in and shoot all the leaders of the >Federation (or >> whatever evil planet) in the first place. Probably some interesting >> applications, but a tad more limited than they made out. >> >Well, but then, no one can be sure if they've been tagged... or if >they've NOT been tagged. Or if their loved ones have, depending on >which >you think would be a better way of controlling them. So you wouldn't >have to shoot all the leaders if you can get them to BELIEVE they've >been shot. The power of the weapon isn't the power to kill; it's the >power of life and death over a living being. Good point. Although I wonder how long it would have taken to at least find a way of determining whether someone had been shot. Actually, a lot of the same can be achieved with the old, storyline standby of either a) sneaking a poison into the victim's food that only you have the antidote for, an antidote they'll need for the rest of their life, or b) giving them a harmless substance which, if mixed with another harmless substance, acts as a poison--and the other substance can be given years after the first. Poison is a lot less bulky. OTOH, since anyone in power in the Federation almost had to be good at having threats they could hold over others, they probably saw the possibilities a lot more clearly than I do. After all, Servalan could get the gun before it was common, detectable knowledge, invite the president and company to a dinner party, and that would be that. Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:48:26 +0300 (EET DST) From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi> To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The squash ladder game. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.9910271846060.25170-100000@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello "Terminal" over "Ultraworld" (sorry, "*ltraworld"). "Terminal" is a strong episode, with a plot that keeps you guessing for the first half, dreading for the second and leaves you with a conclusion that is elegantly decisive and yet leaves everything open. Avon is at his best here : paranoid, headstrong, ambivalent and ultimately outmanoeuvred. Even though you already know what's coming by then, Servalan's final speech and Avon's reaction are still a powerful moment. This is also a good episode for Vila : minimum insults and he actually gets to act decisively, even cunningly, without seeming to be out of character. Furthermore, this episode means the end of the good ship Liberator. It's an ironic and clever end for a ship that has taken on the battle fleets of two galaxies and survived the punishment, to be just eaten away by a seemingly harmless fluid. The whole decay and destruction of the ship is well-realised, from the "rusted" exterior shot to the pyrotechnics in the flight deck and the blaster nacelle breaking off before the final explosion (at least the visual effects designers always knew how to blow things up, even if they didn't have the budget to do much else). Zen's last minute humanisation might seem a bit artificial, but somehow it doesn't (the old cliche of a computer's voice going wildly up or down in pitch when it goes haywire is actually used stylishly here, as the pitch fluctuations act almost like emotional inflections). Problems : the two wigheads who don't seem to have noticed that there's no disco on Terminal are superfluous, as are the Links who are there only to provide some mandatory close-in combat and to allow Servalan to give her pessimistic prediction on the fate of humanity. You might also wonder why Servalan isn't more suspicious when she sees the state the flight deck is in, but she probably : a) is too excited about finally getting her claws on the ship to notice; b) puts it down to the crew's inability to organise a cleaning rota; c) thinks that they have had the place redecorated in the latest fashion. In comparison, "*ltraworld" is lightweight, uninspired, *nice* - and no match. Kai Karmanheimo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:05:51 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin? Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1027090551-d07Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 26 Oct, Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > Zen has elements of the Buddhist in his personality - the sort of thing where he > > is inclined to make statements that wisdom must be learnt and not given. This > > suggests that whoever gave him the name had heard of Zen Buddhism. > > > But didn't he pick up that name during his mindlink with Jenna? That's > what I always thought. She found the link purifying and spiritual... a > bit of a 'Zen experience', she thinks, so he picks that up and uses it > for his name. He picked up the name Liberator from Jenna - I guess she was already calling the ship that in her mind. However, I'm not so sure that Zen got his own name from her. (for one thing, religion is banned on Earth so Jenna might not have known much in any case.) There's one early episode where someone (probably Avon) addresses Zen in the wrong way and he snaps back 'ZEN!' Suggests he felt pretty strongly about it. (Mind you, I had a friend who was very attatched to a nickname he got by error) I think Zen was self-aware and thus had a sense of identity - the fact that he had a limiter is pretty conclusive evidence that the System needed to restrain his individuality. Thus, I think he had a name - possily one he had chosen for himself. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:10:00 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies. Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1027091000-bc8Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 26 Oct, Ellynne G. wrote: > However, Zen did have translation ability, so _maybe_ there were some > kind of universal translators around, or machines that were programmed to > deal with _known_ languages. Or not. True, though translation was not instantaneous. > > As far as language-Earth connections go, I'd point out the system was > ruled by the _Altas_, meaning high (position of height, not chemically > influenced). It's also rather close _Alpha_ the chief class in the > Federation to assume no connection. I like that interpretation - though I also think that it could have been derived from 'altered' - they were part machine. > > For Blake and friends to be able to communicate with a lowly slave--not a > likely product of bilingual education--after their bracelets and any > other high tech gear have been removed--pretty much shows they were > speaking the same language. Agreed. > > Oh, as for Aurons, since Cally could be an organ donor for humans on > Chengra, she'd better be human (possibly a different sub-species, but > still very close genetically). Now that's a point I'd never thought of before. I'll have to remember that one next time I need a good point for proving Aurons are human. JUdith > -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:46:12 -0500 From: "huh" <huh@ccm.net> To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <00d401bf20a3$29ac9ec0$0b64e0d1@huh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have to agree with keeping the web below city- one of my favorite episodes- great Vila characterization , hilarious cartoon villains and a fun premise. good dialogue. and Colin baker was fantastic. www.americantrakehner.com/WilsonPhotography ----- Original Message ----- From: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder > Judith Proctor wrote: > > > > fushed with triumph at getting the Web promoted over Star One, I shall proposed > > that it overtake 'City at the Edge of the World'. > > No way, Jose! 'City' is one of the greats. 'The Web' isn't. > > > Una > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:44:28 +-100 From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com> To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: RE: [B7L] Squash ladder Message-ID: <01BF20AB.4EB5D8A0@tracy> Steve wrote: >I propose Deliverance ahead of Warlord. >Deliverance was the start of one of the few proper arc stories in B7, >and it led them to getting Orac. It contains one of my favourite lines - >"The Lord Avon will protect you" - and the cavemen were cool, if stupid. >Warlord, on the other hand, has Tarrant acting like a lovesick jerk and >Avon thinking he could trust the likes of Zukan - Blake would never have >made that mistake. Oi, no! I demand that those two positions be reversed again at once! Deliverance is cliched rubbish, with not one but TWO 'orrible sci-fi cliches in one episode - the natives who take the new arrivals for gods and the hairy savages who have nothing better to do with their time than kidnap women and bang two rocks together. PLEASE!!! Warlord, OTOH, is a well-plotted piece of drama with great character moments for just about every cast member. The situation is getting desperate, and Avon accordingly takes desperate measures. This grim little piece of TV leads beautifully into the dark drama of 'Blake'. And while I'm here, I'd like to elevate Warlord above Horizon aswell. On the grounds that Warlord is wonderful and Horizon is only average. Personally I like the colonialism bit, though I know some people hate it. Horizon is annoying in it's portrayal of Cally as stupidly thick. Surely someone who had fought in a guerilla war would think of the possibilty of cameras at the landing site? Louise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:33:27 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] BBC DVD's Message-ID: <00b701bf20ba$88576ce0$c810063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I saw this message when I searched for "Blakes 7" on Deja.Com, thought people might be interested < BBC Worldwide are currantly holding a competion along with DVDebate to see what the next releases will be on DVD format and one of the choices is Blakes 7. If a enough poeple vote for it you never know :�) Here's the URL :- http://www.dvd-debate.com/cgi-bin/bbc_competition.cgi Hope we're in luck Regards NEXUS-6 > Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Claudia Mastroianni <cmastr@fas.harvard.edu> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] BBC DVD's Message-Id: <199910272102.RAA10795@is05.fas.harvard.edu> Alas, they only want the votes of UK residents... even though I'd surely buy them if they came available. Claudia, Boston, Massachusetts, USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:00:22 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1027190022-c72Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 26 Oct, Ellynne G. wrote: > > >> > >This is a pretty good arguement against simultaneous development, but > >HOW seperated was the System from the Federation intellectually? > >My thought is this-- in spite of the many advances of the System, > >perhaps *they* are the ones who stole Tariel cells. In fact, they may > >not be creative at all, but more Borg-like in their finding ways to > >improve their technology simply by spying on and stealing from other > >cultures. > >In which case, there may be another group out there with teleport > >capabilities. > >--Avona > > > And the System spoke English--but _Zen_ didn't until he got it from > Jenna. Almost as if he wasn't System made. This might explain why a > bunch of other ships were trying to destroy Liberator when it first > appeared--they were the origianls Zen was stolen from. Zen didn't speak until Jenna activated the interface - doesn't mean that he couldn't speak English. Nobody had tried to speak to him until then. He's obviously used to humans - ZEN: Your species requires a visual reference point. He also has no difficulty in accepting an instruction to go to Cygnus Alpha, which suggests familiarity with Earth naming conventions and maps. Though it's possible that he got the general location from Jenna, would she have had the co-ordinates memorised? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:58:00 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash ladder Message-ID: <011601bf20c2$6cad3c60$c810063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Rogerson said. > >Warlord, on the other hand, has Tarrant acting like a lovesick jerk and >Avon thinking he could trust the likes of Zukan - Blake would never have >made that mistake. And I'm sure that Vila would not let Avon make that mistake either, and Soolin is far to canny to be fooled. Come to think of it Avon was never THAT trusting. Wasn't the point supposed to be that the Federation was nearly at Zenon, and desperate times need desperate measures. The only reason Blake would not have made that mistake is that Blake would have been even more proactive in opposing the Federation in the first place, rather than messing around with piracy etc, so the times would not be the same. So in a way I agree. And tarrant is a lovesick jerk. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:09:29 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Message-ID: <011701bf20c2$6db0a2a0$c810063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne.... >And the System spoke English--but _Zen_ didn't until he got it from >Jenna I thought the system spoke to the semi human leader types in some form of digital / machine code language. The correct verbal form could be easily obtained from Zen by the system. But we still have the fact that the slaves spoke English, who were not directly system controlled. Since this is not HHGTTG either there is ancient contact with Earth, or English is actually the natural culmination of language under any form of evolutionary pressure. So the Andomedeans should also speak English - ooh yes and they did. I'm rambling now, but the slaves who build DSV2 speak English. They included a voice unit. They would set a default language. It was not English ???????? Confused of Suffolk. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:28:45 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder Message-ID: <011801bf20c2$6e8ad600$c810063e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Hey, if we can do bulk moves, that will save a lot of time (and >drive Andrew crazy keeping track) > See what you've done now !! Andrew Animals Blake Space Fall Time Squad Power Play Trial Duel Sarcophagus Weapon Killer The Way back Volcano Power The City at the Edge of the World Star One The Web The Keeper Gold Orbit Sand Terminal Ultraworld Games Assassin Stardrive Dawn of the Gods Aftermath Headhunter Mission to Destiny The Harvest of Kairos Shadow Rescue Children of Auron Death Watch Bounty Rumours of Death Project Avalon Breakdown Seek Locate Destroy Deliverance Warlord Pressure Point Horizon Orac Hostage Redemption Voice from the Past Gambit Countdown Cygnus Alpha Traitor Moloch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:53:39 -0600 From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem... Message-ID: <19991027.225341.9934.0.Rilliara@juno.com> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:00:22 +0100 (BST) Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes: >Zen didn't speak until Jenna activated the interface - doesn't mean >that he >couldn't speak English. Nobody had tried to speak to him until then. > Well, he spoke something that _wasn't_ English. Bilingual, polylingual, or a real quick learner. >He's obviously used to humans - ZEN: Your species requires a visual >reference >point. > But not all humans speak English (although all/nearly all B7 ones do [or they speak the same language, we don't have to assume they speak 20th century English if we don't want to]). Last I heard, there were several thousand _living_ languages on Earth. It seems fair to assume a few lost colonies might have different, dominent languages. >He also has no difficulty in accepting an instruction to go to Cygnus >Alpha, >which suggests familiarity with Earth naming conventions and maps. >Though it's >possible that he got the general location from Jenna, would she have >had the >co-ordinates memorised? > Well, she was a pilot. And the prison ship's destination has probably been something she constantly thought about for the past few months. Not likely, but not impossible. As for the System (now I've had a chance to think about it), there was more than one planet involved. A different language may have been dominent on one or all of the others. Also, it's not unheard of for ruling classes to have a different language than the ruled, or for a language to be adopted for communication among people of different backgrounds even though it _isn't_ the mother tongue of any of them (Latin in the middle ages). Although the Altas used their computer code, they may have still used a particular common tongue or language used by the pre-Alta era educated class (why recreate programming when you can download the old stuff that still works [for all computer experts who can think of a thousand reasons, that was a rhetorical question assuming the old stuff _still works_ and that the Altas have zero creativity]?) Ellynne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:57:02 -0700 From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] costumes and props Message-ID: <U5UiGiA+lfF4Ewhw@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <Marcel-1.46-1026154509-bc8Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>, Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes >If I get more than a few reponses, then I'll set up a small corner of the web >site for costumes - I imagine photos might be of general interest. Addresses >and ownnership chains would not be shown on the web site. If people are willing to have their property photographed, then a record of the details of the costume or prop would be very useful to several groups of fans - the costumers, the artists and the writers. I did a detailed description of the flightsuit from Warlord for this reason - I'm willing to dig it out and do some photos to go with it. -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:22:06 -0700 From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder Message-ID: <mUw+NXAuayF4EwU4@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <Marcel-1.46-1026173608-bbaRr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>, Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes >Incidentally, quick quiz question - which actor played the most parts in B7? >(you have to name the parts to win) At a guess, Stuart Fell, but I haven't got access to my tapes to check the roles. Nor a reference book to check if he was inside Brian the spider. It's surprising how many people played multiple roles. Without even looking at a reference source, I can think of Gareth Thomas: Blake, two clones (and yes, I think that *was* Blake in the final episode, it rather ruins the point of the episode if it wasn't). Does the computer image in Terminal count as a separate character? My opinion is not, since it was meant to be a mental as well as physical copy of Blake, whereas the clones were people in their own right. Jan Chappell: Cally, Zelda, Sarcophagus alien. Peter Tuddenham: Zen, Orac, Slave, and god knows what other off-screen voices. Steven Pacey: Del and Deeta Tarrant Glynis Barber: mutoid, Soolin Samor/Egrorian Deep Roy: decima, Klute, Moloch, link and I'm sure there are others, although it can sometimes be difficult to tell with the stunt crew:-) Stuart has, after all, featured as a seven foot tall penis with a female voice, although only in that other show. -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:26:25 PDT From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] The squash ladder game. Message-ID: <19991028092625.22464.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Kai wrote: <"Terminal" over "Ultraworld" (sorry, "*ltraworld").> I also like Terminal for - the always-enjoyable sight of Avon driving a crewmate up the wall - in this case Tarrant - and even more when he's so completely unaware that he's *doing* it (one of the few joys of Kairos). Watching Tarrant repeatedly and forcibly swallow his frustration, and Avon so caught up with Hunting Blakes that he's actually unaware that he's being so bloody impossible... - the bit where he almost *kills* Tarrant (and Tarrant's face just afterwards...ouch). - Avon's reaction to seeing what he really believes is Blake (yes, dear, it's just the money, *we* believe you...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:37:57 PDT From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Squash ladder Message-ID: <19991028093758.8806.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Steve wrote: <Warlord, on the other hand, has Tarrant acting like a lovesick jerk...> And for Zeeona yet...actually, it's interesting what absolutely appalling taste in women Our Heroes seem to have. There's Blake with cousin Inga, Avon with Anna and Servalan, Tarrant with Servalan and Zeeona... And at least two of our Heroines - Jenna (Tarvin - ick) and Dayna (Justin - triple ick) are even worse. Vilakins does best with Kerrill - then gives her up... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:55:43 +0100 (BST) From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie> To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Re: [B7] Sales figures for the tapes Message-Id: <l03110701b43e311a971f@[134.226.96.44]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Una, You quoted the sales figures: >The Sevenfold Crown: 12,000 >The Syndeton Experiment: 3,500 My suggestion for the difference is that the second play was _far_ worse than the first, hence the smaller number of people who bought it. Murray -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #305 **************************************