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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 307
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Carnell
Re: [B7L] Re:Tarial cells in the System...
[B7L] Cult TV
RE: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin?
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #304
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #304
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #304
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #305
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #306
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #306
[B7L] squash ladder
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #306
[B7L] Transcripts
[B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem...
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #305
Re: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin?
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #304
[B7L] Re:quiz question
RE: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin?
[B7L] Avon/Servalan
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #305
RE: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin?
[B7L] Redemption
Re: [B7L] Re:Tarial cells in the System...
Re: [B7L] Re:Tarial cells in the System...
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:00:08 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: [B7L] Carnell
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Chris Boucher's new Dr Who novel, 'Corpse Marker', will be available from the
1st of November. It is a sequel to the Tom Baker story 'Robots of Death', which
Chris scripted in 1976, and Carnell (the psycostrategist) makes an appearance.
Judith
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:07:31 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
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Andrew wrote:
> Then Una said..
>
> >Gandalf's 9! God help me. It's a great analogy. Presumably, then, if
Blake
> >had destroyed Orac rather than using it (preferably taking it to Space
> >Command and smacking it with a hammer on Servalan's desk) then none of
them
> >would have died in the final episode.
>
> I agree totally with Servalans desk, but the full analogy is to send Vila
> and series 4 Dayna to space command alone,
On the grounds that they're the very shite ones, presumably.
> whilst the others fight a battle
> with the Andromadan invasion fleet on the other side of the galaxy and
dash
> in at the last minute to teleport them away from Travis after they have
done
> the deed.
Hehehehe!
Una
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:58:42 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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Stephen Greif will be a guest (work permitting) at next year's Cult TV
convention 27 - 30 October
http://www.cult-tv.freeserve.co.uk
source - Cult TV mailing list
Cult TV is usually an enjoyable convention covering a wide range of fandoms.
They tend to have a few big name guests (Patrick McGoohan) hopes to be there and
a number of less well known people (often from behind the scenes) who are often
extremely interesting to listen to.
Unfortunately it clashes with Bats, a Halloween covention the same weekend, with
Gareth Thomas (work permitting). http://www.burble.com/bats2000
I can't decide which one to go to. I think it will be Bats purely because of
Gareth.
Judith
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:43:42 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
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Mistral, me, Mistral:
> > > Apart from Gan's idea, there's really nothing in Zen's
> > > behaviour that couldn't be explained by some fairly
> > > sophisticated programming.
> >
> > According to behaviourists, the same thing can be said about humans.
>
> <g> True. Which is why the issue is self-awareness, not just
> behaviour.
Well, I don't remember the exact words, but in Redemption Zen did say
something like "I failed you." And anyone who doesn't think that this proves
that Zen was self aware is hereby challenged to prove that *they* are self
aware.
Jacqueline
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:56:42 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> Incidentally, quick quiz question - which actor played the most parts in B7?
> (you have to name the parts to win)
>
> Judith
>
Brian Blessed. He played Vargas, who ended up in more parts than anyone!
I suppose I could try naming the parts, something like, "Red Corpusle of
Vargas #124,005; small left toenail of Vargas, bit of retina tissue of
Vargas #8..."
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:02:32 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Sally voted...
> Power and Moloch to just below Traitor.
> Stardrive to another TV series entirely.
>
> Now *that* looks a bit better...(yes, yes, I know it's also
> cheating <grin>)
>
Stardrive *cannot* go to another TV series! The ending is terrific,
whatever one may think of the truely goofy Space Rats.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:05:02 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Ellynne was helping me put the Squash ladder in alphabetical order by
comparing Assassin and Blake:
>
> The reappearance of one of our favorite B7 troublemakers, Servalan! It's
> not like there are any familiar faces in Blake.
>
That works! Because Blake's face sure as hell isn't familiar with all
the damage done to it.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:24:22 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Sally was talking about the bad taste Our Heros have in love, and
mentioned Servalan as one of Avon's interests...
I may be alone in this, but I think he always respected her as an enemy,
but absolutely detested her as a woman... but he could tell that *she*
was interested in him. I thought he played her the way she sometimes
played men she disliked but needed to get near enough to kill. As lolng
as she believed there was some mutual feeling, he could possibly buy a
little time when she had the upper hand.
I do think he had just enough recognition of her womanliness that his
chivalric subconcious balked at killing her in cold blood.
What do others think? Love? Lust? Survival game?
--Avona
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:27:09 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> It would be a nice irony if they'd abandoned [whatever they were
> using] because they stumbled across tarials and decided they were safer,
> not knowing the patent-holder had just come up with the B7 equivalent of
> One Ring To Rule Them All. I like the Borg assimilation theory.
>
> Harriet
Thank you. And I *love* the Tolkien reference!
--Avona
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:37:21 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> > >He also has no difficulty in accepting an instruction to go to Cygnus
> > >Alpha,
> > >which suggests familiarity with Earth naming conventions and maps.
> > >Though it's
> > >possible that he got the general location from Jenna, would she have
> > >had the
> > >co-ordinates memorised?
> > >
> >
> > Well, she was a pilot. And the prison ship's destination has probably
> > been something she constantly thought about for the past few months. Not
> > likely, but not impossible.
>
> Indeed, but finding Saurian Major was no problem either.
> >
Okay, weighing in on this matter; if I had a ship to program, and could
get hold of star charts put out by other cultures, *I* program the
ship's computer to recognise *all* available names for a star. Wouldn't
you? There are at least a half dozen scenarios I can think of off the
top of my head, where the System might want to use a location taken from
an intercepted message (recovering their own stolen goods; an act of
piracy; trying to recover a crew member/slave who had jumped ship to
rendevous with a representative of another culture who would give them
sanctuary in return for information; wanting to be able to
record/witness/gather intelligence on an important event; mopping up
after a battle; exploring a weak link in the enemy, such as the site of
a natural disaster; beating the Federation to exploit a newly discovered
natural resource). If the System has to consult the stolen Federation
star chart *after* intercepting the message, the System loses time.
Ergo, progarmming Zen with Federation locations is a wise bit of
planning.
--Avona
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:46:05 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Steve said:
> This'll cause a row:
>
> Project Avalon above Rumours of Death
Well, I'll second that. I enjoy Rumours, but Project Avalon is more
suspenseful, and as both of them feature a second group of rebels, I
prefer the genuine female rebel leader to the one who's true motives are
unrevealed.
But I do like the Federation guards in Rumours. "Some days are better
than others."
--Avona (who likes Rumours for other, more obvious reasons, as well.)
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:05:54 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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>
> >Gandalf's 9! God help me. It's a great analogy. Presumably, then, if Blake
> >had destroyed Orac rather than using it (preferably taking it to Space
> >Command and smacking it with a hammer on Servalan's desk) then none of them
> >would have died in the final episode.
> >
>
>
> I agree totally with Servalans desk, but the full analogy is to send Vila
> and series 4 Dayna to space command alone, whilst the others fight a battle
> with the Andromadan invasion fleet on the other side of the galaxy and dash
> in at the last minute to teleport them away from Travis after they have done
> the deed.
>
> Andrew
Okay, so how do we make this work in SF? Orac has created a virus that
will reprogram all the Federation computers to acts of peaceful
resistance and civil disobediance, but for him to successfully implant
the virus, he needs his full internal energy to be released in a key
location? (And of course, Blake-as-Gandalf gets to return from the dead,
stronger than ever.)
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:50:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "S. Kuske" <s_kuske@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Transcripts
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Is it too soon to expect someone to transcribe the
Sevenfold
Crown and Syndeton Experiment scripts into HTML? Or
was
just hearing the voices the best part?
I'd like to see the special effects for the 52
episodes redone
as per the Red Dwarf videos. It would improve
them(?).
I'd like to see a Computer-generated Liberator
sailing.
If someone would very much like to hear a bit of
Steven Pacey singing in "Jeeves", say so and I'll put
in on a web
site.
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 21:43:13 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Tariel cells in the ystem...
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On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:23:30 +0100 (BST) Judith Proctor
<Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes:
>On Thu 28 Oct, Ellynne G. wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:00:22 +0100 (BST) Judith Proctor
>> <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> writes:
>> >Zen didn't speak until Jenna activated the interface - doesn't mean
>
>> >that he
>> >couldn't speak English. Nobody had tried to speak to him until
>then.
>> >
>>
>> Well, he spoke something that _wasn't_ English. Bilingual,
>polylingual,
>> or a real quick learner.
>
>I don't recall him saying anything at all until then. Can you refresh
>my
>memory? Unless you mean the 'machine language' in Redemption.
Oops.
Don't ask how I could do this, but I was thinking of a scene in the
novel, Blake's 7, where Zen _does_ use a different language. Apocryphal
material. Sorry.
>>
>> >He's obviously used to humans - ZEN: Your species requires a
>visual
>> >reference
>> >point.
>> >
>I think relic languages are possible myself, but a characteristic of
>large
>government/trading blocs is that they tend to lose languages. Look at
>the
>present. Where people are bilingual, the most common second language
>is
>English. Minority languages like Gaelic are dying. Ones like Cornish
>are
>already dead (I don't count small bands of enthusisats who enjoy
>keeping a
>language alive as a hobby.)
Others are making a comeback and there are a lot of places you shouldn't
go without knowing some of the local language, but you have a point.
Still, I just like the idea of different languages, even if it would have
gotten in the way of some stories ('Hey, the king's fool is giving us
directions to Star One!' 'Great! Now, we only have to spend a few months
on this planet learning the language so we can translate what he's
saying, and away we go!').
Since the preFederation colonies had deliberate mixes of all types, I
assume this could mean language as well. English (or whatever) was used
as the common tongue, eventually becoming the sole language on most
worlds. Frequent contact with other worlds, along with a mobile
population, limited the development of local dialect.
Auron probably has its own language, but the people we saw not only had
reason for contact with outsiders, Zelda and Franton (and I assume world
leaders and Cally) were well educated. That education could reasonably
include studies of a second language.
>
>Ruling classes usually have a different language when they have
>conquered the
>native population
Or when it's a special mark of class or education, like Romans learning
Greek.
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:03:53 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Avona wrote:
> Sally was talking about the bad taste Our Heros have in love, and
> mentioned Servalan as one of Avon's interests...
>
> I may be alone in this, but I think he always respected her as an enemy,
> but absolutely detested her as a woman... but he could tell that *she*
> was interested in him.
You're not alone.
Servalan was the antithesis of all the values that Avon admired
in Blake or adhered to personally. (It's true that Avon and Servalan
shared some flaws, but seeing your own flaws reflected in others
tends to irritate, not endear.)
I think the most telling moment, with regard to what Avon thinks
of Servalan, is in Children of Auron, when he refers to her embryos
as 'little monsters'.
The only place that I perhaps differ with you is that I think his ego
was engaged in the game they were playing, and he wanted to beat
her; if he hesitated in killing her, I don't think it would be from chivalry
(although I agree that he's a basically chivalrous person), but I think he
might hesitate to kill her in order to savour the victory; what he'd really
enjoy is seeing in her eyes the knowledge that he'd beaten her.
Mistral
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:19:00 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
> Well, I don't remember the exact words, but in Redemption Zen did say
> something like "I failed you." And anyone who doesn't think that this proves
> that Zen was self aware is hereby challenged to prove that *they* are self
> aware.
Aw, Jacqueline... all that proves is that they programmed him to
refer to himself in the first person <g>.
I *do* agree that Zen was self-aware; but for me the evidence is
in the way he responds to Avon's insults in the first few eps, and
his behaviour in 'Shadow'. Zen's definitely got both an 'ego' and a
sense of humour. That's programmable, too, of course, but why
would they bother? Self-awareness and a complete personality
seems like a simpler explanation to me.
As to whether I'm self-aware or not, I've really no idea <g>.
Running and hiding from the Evil Overlord now,
Mistral
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:41:52 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Avona wrote:
> Stardrive *cannot* go to another TV series! The ending is terrific,
> whatever one may think of the truely goofy Space Rats.
The ending is wonderful drama.
The beginning is pretty good comedy, too-- Avon screws up BIG
time, everybody yells at him, and Vila bails them out. Hee.
Mistral
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 04:06:02 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
> > Incidentally, quick quiz question - which actor played the most parts in
>B7?
> >
>Brian Blessed. He played Vargas, who ended up in more parts than anyone!
>I suppose I could try naming the parts, something like, "Red Corpusle of
>Vargas #124,005; small left toenail of Vargas, bit of retina tissue of
>Vargas #8..."
Bhahahaha! I'll save this in my "The very best of..." -file!
Thank you, Helen!
Hellen
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 04:13:32 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
>Well, I don't remember the exact words, but in Redemption Zen did say
>something like "I failed you." And anyone who doesn't think that this
>proves
>that Zen was self aware is hereby challenged to prove that *they* are self
>aware.
In Terminal, actually, never before:
ZEN: -- dysfunction on computer banks three and six. All resources now
concentrated on maintenance of teleport facilities. I-- I have failed you.
VILA: He never referred to himself before. He never once used the word
"I".
ZEN: I have failed you. I am sorry. I have--
VILA: He's dying. Zen is dying.
Dunno, probably he is able to reffere to himself as an personality only
under terminal circumstances?
Just thoughts, Hellen
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 04:54:55 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
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Snippets from Mistral's perceptive analysis of Avon/Servalan dynamics:
>(It's true that Avon and Servalan shared some flaws, but seeing your own
>flaws reflected in others tends to irritate, not endear.)
This is where Servalan misunderstood Avon completely. She was proud of the
qualities Avon saw as "flaws", and never realised that he saw them as flaws.
In "Aftermath", she used the phrase, "We're very alike, you and I" to brag
about her own qualities. When she said that she admired Avon's
corruptibility, she meant what she was saying. She thought she was
flattering Avon, when in fact she was hurting him more deeply than she could
have guessed.
>The only place that I perhaps differ with you is that I think his ego
>was engaged in the game they were playing, and he wanted to beat
>her... he might hesitate to kill her in order to savour the victory; what
>he'd really enjoy is seeing in her eyes the knowledge that he'd beaten her.
And this is one of the things that fed the misunderstanding. The two of
them were engaged in a power game from the destruction of Star One onwards.
The "I'm ready to come up" scene in Death Watch was a crystallisation of the
power game, and their reactions were telling. Well, as a matter of fact, we
didn't see Avon's reaction, but it wouldn't be too unrealistic to suppose
there would have been a fair bit of disgust and self-loathing. Servalan's
reaction was exactly the opposite. Power was what she wanted. Power was
what it was all about. That was something to admire, as was Avon's
primitive, Neanderthal power display.
There was no disguising Servalan's genuine anger in "Terminal", either. Up
to the very last moment, she believed Avon would finally see things her way
and hand over the Liberator. She saw his order to Vila as a sign of
weakness and sentimentality: qualities she detested.
Perhaps that's when she finally realised what sort of a man Avon was, and
stopped trying to win him over as a friend.
I think the power game stopped after "Terminal", anyway. After that, it was
more of a grugde match. Servalan had inflicted a bitter defeat on Avon, and
had managed to break his heart in the process. I don't think the words "I
need to kill her myself" would have come out of Avon's mouth before the
false Blake incident.
I've always said that Tarrant would make a better partner for Servalan
anyway. Much more dependable, and, having the IQ of a dog biscuit, a good
deal easier to wrap around one's little finger. Probably rather a lot
better in the bedroom department, too. But I'm not a member of Freedom
City, so I won't speculate any further than that...
-- Rob
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 20:17:44 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #305
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On Sat, Oct 30, 1999 at 01:03:53AM -0700, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> The only place that I perhaps differ with you is that I think his ego
> was engaged in the game they were playing, and he wanted to beat
> her; if he hesitated in killing her, I don't think it would be from chivalry
>
> (although I agree that he's a basically chivalrous person), but I think he
> might hesitate to kill her in order to savour the victory; what he'd really
> enjoy is seeing in her eyes the knowledge that he'd beaten her.
Ironic, considering that that's probably the reason that Servalan
tends to hesitate in killing *him* - she wants to see him beaten.
At least, she does when she actually starts taking notice of him as a
personal opponent, rather than as just one of those rebels.
Or maybe I've been reading too much fanfic where Servalan engenders
all these convoluted plots just in order to break Avon. Maybe the
real Servalan isn't that obsessed.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:10:53 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin?
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Me, then Hellen:
> >Well, I don't remember the exact words, but in Redemption Zen did say
> >something like "I failed you."
> In Terminal, actually, never before:
Eek, that's the episode I meant. I got my titles mixed up <very red face>.
> Dunno, probably he is able to reffere to himself as an
> personality only under terminal circumstances?
Possibly, but I think he was just trying to be a good computer and dropped
that behaviour only under great stress. Of course that's just my opinion,
but I think it fits best with the behaviour he displayed.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:32:05 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption
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I'm sitting here, burbling happily to myself with a great big goofy smile all
over my face.
We've got another guest for Redemption - the only man to have worked on both
Blake's 7 AND Babylon 5.
Ron Thornton - the man who built Scorpio, and later went on to found Foundation
Imaging which did such wonderful CGI work on Babylon 5.
Excuse me while I go away and burble some more...
Judith
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:08:55 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Tarial cells in the System...
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Andrew wrote:
>I love the Lord of the Rings analogy. So Blakes 7
>(Gandalf's 9 ?) is basically .... what would have
>happened if they tried to use the ring (Orac).
That's it! That's why they never use Orac to destroy the Federation,
because they've all read Tolkien and know it's much too dangerous. Its
strength is too great for anyone to wield at will, save only those that
have already a great power of their own. As long as it is in the world it
will be a danger even to the Wise. etc etc.
By the way, might not Paul Darrow have made rather a good Boromir?
Harriet
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 22:08:14 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Tarial cells in the System...
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>Andrew wrote:
>>I love the Lord of the Rings analogy.
>By the way, might not Paul Darrow have made rather a good Boromir?
>
>Harriet
I thought Tarrant for Boromir, 'cause he tries to usurp the leading role
without having the ability or the right.
Andrew
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