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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 319
Today's Topics:
[B7L] B7L: RE: B7 and ST:TNG
Re: [B7L] Re: Why Dystopia?
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
[B7L] Kai on Cally
Re: [B7L] Re: Why Dystopia?
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
Re: [B7L] Re: Why Dystopia?
[B7L] Redemption sketch
Re: [B7L] Redemption sketch
Re: [B7L] Redemption sketch
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
[B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: Re [B7L] Whence Herculanium?
[B7L] Dr Who night
Re: [B7L] Redemption sketch
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
RE: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
RE: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:05:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Susan.Moore@uni.edu
To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] B7L: RE: B7 and ST:TNG
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Ellynne wrote:
> And they have such silly ways of showing the 'primitives' fall apart
> (primitive being anyone who doesn't have toys as nice as theirs--another
> Star Trek core value: only those with really good toys get to play). One
> alien wandered into Ten Forward, the Enterprise bar, and his worldview
> collapsed, leading to suicide. Now, can you honestly see anyone on B7
> doing this? Other than Vila, if he found himself trapped in a universe
> where they don't serve liquor?
Which means that he might just do this in SN:TNG, since they serve synthetic
alcohol there.
Susan M.
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:07:31 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Why Dystopia?
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Kathryn wrote:
> Which is an interesting question about the Trek Federation - what sort
> of a law system would they have which fairly reflects the excessive
> tolerance of their culture?
Obligatory psychotherapy for those whose opinions and behaviour don't line
up with the great fluffy consensus.
Una
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:14:16 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> Which is an interesting question about the Trek Federation - what sort
> of a law system would they have which fairly reflects the excessive
> tolerance of their culture?
Good question, Kathryn. What immediately sprung to mind would be: trial
by jury of cultural peers. But I doubt it, because it could be argued
that subcultures deserve recognition, too, but the subculture's values
may be opposed to the main culture's on very specific points which would
be what the trial was about. For example, if someone was raised among
the Mah-Kee (I'm sure someone will correct my spelling). if you went by
culture, their 'terrorist' acts would not be punisihed.
So, the Federation tolerates cultural practices (the Vulcan duels during
PonFarr) that don't invovle outsiders?
Or do they simply choose whom to oppress and whom to tolerate based on a
tyranny of the majority?
*sigh* Did anyone else watch the first episode of Voyager and think that
we were going to find out eventually that Paris was an idealist or was
in prison because he'd been framed? That with the Mah-Kee around we'd
get a refreshing new look at the politics and ideals of the time? Maybe
learn what the core values are? I think I watched seven episodes of that
series before deciding it was going nowhere.
--Avona
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:23:26 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Kai on Cally
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>
> And now I've rambled long enough.
>
> Kai Karmanheimo
Kai, if that's rambling, I would be awestruck at your idea of a
cohesive, reasoned statement. <g> That post was terrfic, and I do enjoy
hearing people analyse the less popular crew members. (Not that Cally's
unpopular with me, I just wish the writers had had a better idea what to
do with her sometimes).
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:26:18 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Why Dystopia?
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Una wrote:
>When I think 'Neil', I think 'happy chappy'!
So as far as you're concerned, I'm dog meat? Fine. Just so long as I know
where I stand.
I bet you're only feeling so superior because you've had a Top Ten hit named
after you and I haven't, though quite who Una Palomablanca was I wouldn't
like to guess.
Neil, who never seems to winalot
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:18:06 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
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Helen wrote:
> *sigh* Did anyone else watch the first episode of Voyager and think that
> we were going to find out eventually that Paris was an idealist or was
> in prison because he'd been framed?
What I found most entertaining was that his punishment seemed to involve
being sent to learn flower-arranging in New Zealand. Maybe this was his own
personal version of hell, a sort of Room 101?
> That with the Mah-Kee around we'd
> get a refreshing new look at the politics and ideals of the time? Maybe
> learn what the core values are? I think I watched seven episodes of that
> series before deciding it was going nowhere.
That was more than I gave it. But then I packed in DS9 after the first 4
tapes as well, first time round. I gather enjoyment of 'Voyager' is
*entirely* dependent of aesthetic appreciation of Seven of Nine. I think
it's 'Maquis', BTW, but I could be wrong.
Una
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:37:56 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Why Dystopia?
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> Una wrote:
> >When I think 'Neil', I think 'happy chappy'!
>
> So as far as you're concerned, I'm dog meat? Fine. Just so long as I
know
> where I stand.
<gracious bow of the head> Would you prefer Mr Dog? Or Caesar, as I believe
it is now?
> I bet you're only feeling so superior because you've had a Top Ten hit
named
> after you and I haven't,
Altogether now, 'Ooo--oooh! Mr Grumpy!' Anyway, I'm feeling superior for
*much* better reasons than that :P
> though quite who Una Palomablanca was I wouldn't
> like to guess.
D'you know, it's about 20 years since I last heard that joke. During the
1970s, it was made so much that I was forced to start murdering people who
cracked it (I was a precocious and bad-tempered 7 year-old.) At least you're
not saying 'Yoo-na' - kill! kill! - or worse, 'Uma' - death! death!
Una
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:10:26 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption sketch
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Has anyone just been watching 'Dr Who Night' on BBC2? Did you see how they
nicked our sketch idea from Redemption as a framing device? I just may sue.
Plus the gratuitous slash reference. Hmmm... OK, own up you lot, which one
of you sent that script in?
Alison
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:45:10 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Redemption sketch
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Alison wrote:
> Has anyone just been watching 'Dr Who Night' on BBC2? Did you see how they
> nicked our sketch idea from Redemption as a framing device? I just may
sue.
D'you know, Matthew and I were on the verge of ringing you and Iain up so
that we could all rant loudly in unison! All that was missing was the 'Dalek
Man' t-shirt!
> Plus the gratuitous slash reference. Hmmm... OK, own up you lot, which one
> of you sent that script in?
Not we!
Una
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:36:06 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Redemption sketch
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In message <001201bf2e1b$9b02a620$ca8edec2@pre-installedco>, Alison Page
<alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes
>Has anyone just been watching 'Dr Who Night' on BBC2?
*SOD!*
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:32:42 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] squash ladder
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Una, such eloquent arguments ....
>
>> Time Squad
> TS is essentially a runaround.
>> Duel
>I just don't like 'Duel' very much...
>
>> Power
> 'Power' is the work of the devil.
>> Children of Auron
>CoA: oh, god, that bit at the end just wrecks it for me.
>> Bounty
>Ralph Fiennes has just picked Kathleen Ferrier singing 'Blow the Wind
>Southerly' as his first song on 'Desert Island Discs', so 'Bounty' can just
>bugger off to the bottom of the table as far as I'm concerned.
Andrew
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:39:11 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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Animals
Blake
Space Fall
Time Squad
Power Play
Trial
Sarcophagus
Duel
Killer
Weapon
The Way back
Volcano
The City at the Edge of the World
Star One
Power
The Web
The Keeper
Gold
Orbit
Sand
Terminal
Assassin
Ultraworld
Games
Stardrive
Dawn of the Gods
Aftermath
Headhunter
Mission to Destiny
Shadow
The Harvest of Kairos
Rescue
Death Watch
Children of Auron
Project Avalon
Rumours of Death
Bounty
Breakdown
Seek Locate Destroy
Deliverance
Pressure Point
Warlord
Horizon
Hostage
Redemption
Orac
Voice from the Past
Gambit
Countdown
Traitor
Cygnus Alpha
Moloch
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:16:20 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] Whence Herculanium?
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>Why can't writers invent new alloys, compounds, minerals, composites, etc?
>
>JUdith
Do you really need to ask ?
Andrew
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:05:22 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Dr Who night
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Caught the last sketch <wince>. I would just like to put it on record
that it has never occurred to me to hang around outside Gareth's flat,
slap a pad of chloroform over his face, etc...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:19:14 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Redemption sketch
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Julia wrote:
> In message <001201bf2e1b$9b02a620$ca8edec2@pre-installedco>, Alison Page
> <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes
> >Has anyone just been watching 'Dr Who Night' on BBC2?
>
> *SOD!*
Fret not, it's taping at this end.
Una
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:19:28 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] squash ladder
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Andrew wrote:
> Una, such eloquent arguments ....
>
> >
> >> Time Squad
> > TS is essentially a runaround.
>
>
> >> Duel
> >I just don't like 'Duel' very much...
> >
> >> Power
> > 'Power' is the work of the devil.
>
>
> >> Children of Auron
> >CoA: oh, god, that bit at the end just wrecks it for me.
>
> >> Bounty
> >Ralph Fiennes has just picked Kathleen Ferrier singing 'Blow the Wind
> >Southerly' as his first song on 'Desert Island Discs', so 'Bounty' can
just
> >bugger off to the bottom of the table as far as I'm concerned.
And is anyone unpersuaded by any of these?
Una
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:45:03 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
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Una wrote:
> I gather enjoyment of 'Voyager' is
> *entirely* dependent of aesthetic appreciation of Seven of
> Nine.
Hey, *I* don't like her just for her looks! Yes, she looks good (although I
think Cally and Jenna looked better), but I also think she's a great
character. The problem is that they wrote entire episodes around her with
the rest of the crew acting pretty much as wallpaper. And since she's no
Avon, she can't carry it off.
Oh, well, it's better than having strong characters put on teleport duty or
taken over by aliens all the time.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:02:33 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
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Jacqueline wrote:
> Una wrote:
>
> > I gather enjoyment of 'Voyager' is
> > *entirely* dependent of aesthetic appreciation of Seven of
> > Nine.
>
> Hey, *I* don't like her just for her looks! Yes, she looks good (although
I
> think Cally and Jenna looked better), but I also think she's a great
> character. The problem is that they wrote entire episodes around her with
> the rest of the crew acting pretty much as wallpaper. And since she's no
> Avon, she can't carry it off.
I always liked the character of Janeway, and the actress who plays her, but
I'm usually in a very small group of one, whenever I mention this.
The server at the Institute which I just stopped working at was called
'Janeway'. Which is pretty sad.
Una
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 04:38:06 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
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At 11:02 AM 14/11/99 +0000, Una McCormack wrote:
>I always liked the character of Janeway, and the actress who plays her, but
>I'm usually in a very small group of one, whenever I mention this.
Una, baby! Welcome to my world. ;-p
--
For A Dread Time, Call Penny:
http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:10:28 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #318
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Penny wrote:
> At 11:02 AM 14/11/99 +0000, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> >I always liked the character of Janeway, and the actress who plays her,
but
> >I'm usually in a very small group of one, whenever I mention this.
>
> Una, baby! Welcome to my world. ;-p
AAAAARRRRGHHHHH!
Una
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:09:07 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>,
Lysator
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Una wrote:
> Penny wrote:
>
> > At 11:02 AM 14/11/99 +0000, Una McCormack wrote:
> >
> > >I always liked the character of Janeway, and the actress
> > >who plays her, but
> > >I'm usually in a very small group of one, whenever I mention this.
> >
> > Una, baby! Welcome to my world. ;-p
>
> AAAAARRRRGHHHHH!
Then let me to ruin your day even further: I love Janeway. I had a picture
of her as background on my computer until my harddisk crashed.
Jacqueline
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