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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 332
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Roddy
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
[B7L] Pattern of Infinity completed
Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment
Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
RE: [B7L] You know you've seen too much B7 when...
[B7L] RE: Odd thought re: Avon
RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion
[B7L] Getting back into B7
Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7
Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion
[B7L] updated web-pages
[B7L] enjoyable hokum alert
Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
Re: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert
Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7
Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
[B7L] Sarcophagus
RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment
Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus
RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7
Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:23:54 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: roddy.wraith@diamond.co.uk
Subject: [B7L] Roddy
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Roddy wrote:
"DO NOT SEND ANY MORE MAIL..OR I WILL CONTACT MY NETWORK SUPPLYER
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I think maybe a better way to phrase this would be something along the
lines of: "Can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe from the list, please".
Remember, you must have actually subscribed to it in the first place,
and therefore received unsubscribe instructions, so you can't be
surprised that you are getting the digest. By the way, you spelt
"supplier" wrong.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
"In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like
ponies"
The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:12:01 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
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On Sun, Nov 28, 1999 at 07:43:53PM -0000, Kayleigh Z Banks wrote:
> On that theme, his inability to deal decisively with the computer guy on the
> prison ship, I've always attributed to the fact that all the prisoners were
> treated with suppressants, so he was probably not as alert as he could have
> been. (As I said, I'll forgive him just about anything!)
<pedant mode on>
Well, since the revolt was pre-planned, I would have expected Avon,
like the other key members of it, to have refrained from eating and
drinking so as to avoid the suppressants, so that doesn't wash.
<pedant mode off>
> I think we'd all secretly like to be like Avon, after all, wouldn't we just
> love to be as rude as he is and get away with it? As for his pessimism, it
> does have its compensations - as the saying goes 's**t happens' and when it
> does at least the pessimists have the satisfaction of knowing they were
> right! The optimists just get more disappointment.
Well, this just shows that people have different reasons for liking
Avon, doesn't it? I don't secretly want to be like Avon - I already
*am* like Avon. In some respects. And I really don't want to be as
rude as he is, whether I got away with it or not. I just want to
hug him and make it all better. 8-)
Kathryn Andersen
A.S.K.S. (Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits)
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:11:11 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
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>From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
>I just want to hug him and make it all better. 8-)
And, of course, I shouldn't be mentioning those who would be administering
the hug for other reasons.
Regards
Joanne
(looking for high ground, lest she be washed away by an ocean of drool)
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 04:53:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] Pattern of Infinity completed
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I'm forwarding a message from a B7 author, "J. Kel," whose "Pattern
of Infinity" series first began to appear in zines ten years ago
(=Input= #s 2-4 and =Dark between the Stars= #s 3-5; not to be
confused with a different PGP series of the same title by Ana
Dorfstad, which was in =Enarrare=). The author has been good
enough to respond to the pleas of fans who wanted to read more of
his work, and the full series is now about to go up on the B7 fan
fiction archive.
I strongly recommend this excellent gen novel!
Forwarded message follows:
>>>This is to inform you that the Pattern of Infinity stories are
now complete. Episodes I through XI are on-line; episode XII and
the epilogue will follow in a few days. In addition to completing
the tale, I have also revised and corrected episodes I through VI.
I have even added an Introduction, so for those readers who have
wondered, they will now know how the whole thing came about.
The final six stories (I'm including episode VIII in that tally)
were written over a period of fourteen months. I wanted them to be
special and to that end I gave them everything I had. It was by
far the most involved and sustained writing project I have ever
attempted. And while there are no merchandising tie-ins or special
effects, I feel the final result is solid. That judgment, however,
is reserved for the reader.
The URL is: //www.oddworldz.com/b7fanfiction/archive.html
The Series is E.
How I get paid . . .
I am currently taking four months off before tackling my next
writing project, a serious attempt at a serious novel in a time and
place far removed from B7. It would be extremely helpful to get as
much feedback as I can regarding PoI to guide me: e.g. what I did
right and what I need to work on.
So, I am asking that you read/reread Pattern of Infinity from the
beginning. A lot of changes were made as a result of how the
series finally turned out. Core story logic was unaffected,
however.
Finally, spreading the word as far and wide as possible is crucial.
If you like the PoI stories, let me know, tell your friends.
If you hate the PoI stories, let me know, tell your friends.
If you have mixed feelings . . . you get the idea.
In short, I accept all forms of payment except indifference. :*)
Thank you again for your interest and support.
J. L. Quel<<<
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:24:25 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
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In a message dated 11/28/99 2:06:36 PM Mountain Standard Time,
Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com writes:
> Didn't Dayna "invent" one of those, or do you see Dayna's invention as
> something more ?
>
I got the impression that Dayna's invention was more along the lines of a
target tracking lock, that would automatically follow the target once it
locked on, rather than being related to firing the thing -- but Avon
certainly noticed the *feedback* of it dragging his hand along, yes.
Nina
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:28:42 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment
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Joanne wrote:
>
> >From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
> >To drag this posting kicking and screaming back on topic: I
> >wonder how a
> >certain snarly Liberator crewmember would react to being
> >told to forgive his
> >enemies. I think he would be quite willing to forgive his
> >enemies. Right after he'd killed them.
>
> Or at least after he'd given them permanent brain damage by
> thumping them
> over the head with one of those overgrown family bible things.
>
> The Word of God as a really dangerous, physical thing, hmmm...
Yes, I can see Avon getting religion for that reason.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:51:07 +0000
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
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> > Insofar
> > as you aim at
> > any particular part of the target, you go for the torso, since this
> > represents the largest target area (as well as containing all
> > the vital organs).
>
> I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil.
Not true. It's down to two things:
1. On handguns, the barrel is really short, and you don't get that
much accuracy to begin with. This doesn't make difference on a sf gun,
usually.
2. Much more importantly, small errors in positioning your hand amplify
dramatically over the distances involved, so it's really easy to miss.
The recoil only kicks in, if you'll excuse the pun, after you take your
first shot, and will throw your aim off even more, for the next shot. In
terms of taking that first shot, you're more likely to be affected by changing
hand position as you pull the trigger, press the button, or whatever.
Try this: get your hands on a laser pointer, and point it at something over
four feet away, and then turn it on. Hitting anything smaller than six
inches across quickly gets hard.
I can accept Avon learning how to shoot, after deciding it would be necessary.
Peter O'Donnell's Modesty Blaise character occasionally mentions spending
hours a day, every day, for years, just practising quick-draw shooting. Her
opinion was that she'd only need it a few times in her life, but it was
worth putting in the practice because she'd need it to survive.
It's a shame, really: just think what Avon *could* have been doing with all
those spare hours...
steve
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:34:12 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] You know you've seen too much B7 when...
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Joanne wrote:
>
> >From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
> >Britney Spears sings 'Baby one more time' on MTV and you
> >hear her singing 'Oh Bayban, baby'.
>
> Oh, poor Jacqueline! Here you go <handing over electronic
> version of damp cloth to mop fevered brow>
Thanks Joanne, I feel much better now.
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:43:51 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] RE: Odd thought re: Avon
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At 08:55 PM 28/11/99 +0100, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
>I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. The gun
>Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something equally SF-ish and
>was therefore recoilless, and might well have some kind of feedback that
>makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at. They already do this
>for computer extensions such as the mouse, so it's not so strange to expect
>something similar to be developed for weapons. That would explain Avon's
>steep learning curve when it came to shooting: he'd have to get used to how
>the feedback related to the real world, but once he had developed a feel for
>that, hitting a target, no matter how small, would have become child's play.
Jacqueline, I must say, despite my dread of having people invoke
"Squirble's Law" (which I assume to be one of the rules that govern
"Mornington Crescent"), that that is a *brilliant* idea.
--
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:41:41 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
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Kathryn wrote:
> Well, this just shows that people have different reasons for liking
> Avon, doesn't it? I don't secretly want to be like Avon - I already
> *am* like Avon. In some respects. And I really don't want to be as
> rude as he is, whether I got away with it or not. I just want to
> hug him and make it all better. 8-)
I think you'd do so at your own risk. The only times Avon hugged and/or
kissed a woman he didn't have a relationship with, he did so to get some
kind of advantage, like getting the ring from the alien, or getting
Servalan's guard down and then humiliating her (hey, I never said he was a
*nice* guy, but I like him anyway). And even Anna didn't survive it in the
end.
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:07:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Una McCormack <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion
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On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> Isn't there meant to be some sort of element of penalty: i.e. payment for a
> crime committed? Maybe retribution carries the wrong overtones from the
> sense I was trying to convey.
Atonement.
And you really are irretrievably lapsed if you're forgetting your
confessional terminology, my child.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:10:53 -0800 (PST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Borg?= <peter_borg@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Getting back into B7
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Or rather, being dragged back kicking and screaming.
I got up on Sunday morning, pottered about in the
study for ten minutes, reading email and such, and
then decided to sit in front of the telly with a nice
cup of tea.
So, flicking through the channels, I come across
UK-Gold showing B7, and within about 4 words being
said was so completely hooked I watched it through to
the end, and it wasn't exactly the best of episodes
(at least, not from the point at which I watched it).
I've seen all of the episodes more times than I care
to consider, and have even spent a week watching the
whole lot from beginning to end (I was off work and
unable to walk very far).
The episode was "Rescue"; I broke in at the point at
which Avon is discussing Orac with Dorian.
Soolin's charachter at this point hasn't settled down
and is a little wooden, Dorian hams it up beautifully
at the end, the monster costume in the cave is from Dr
Who and therefore suitably dreadful, and every wall
that Dayna or Tarrant touched wobbled like a piece of
cardboard (hmm, wonder why?). Not to mention Danya's
not-very-good-attempt at being scared.
But it was glorious, and I will very likely be up in
time to watch it from the beginning next week. Despite
owning all the videos, there's something about
watching it on telly (more than the better quality of
digital TV over video tape).
Peter. (hooked again)
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:47:46 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7
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Peter wrote:
> So, flicking through the channels, I come across
> UK-Gold showing B7, and within about 4 words being
> said was so completely hooked I watched it through to
> the end, and it wasn't exactly the best of episodes
> (at least, not from the point at which I watched it).
>
> But it was glorious, and I will very likely be up in
> time to watch it from the beginning next week. Despite
> owning all the videos, there's something about
> watching it on telly (more than the better quality of
> digital TV over video tape).
Peter, I know exactly what you mean. I hadn't watched any B7 for ages until
the other night, and I had felt really 'off' it. Then I watched back 'Blake'
and remembered just why it is I adore this programme.
You're also completely right that there's a difference watching it on TV
rather than a video.
Una
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:44:38 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion
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Iain wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > Isn't there meant to be some sort of element of penalty: i.e. payment
for a
> > crime committed? Maybe retribution carries the wrong overtones from the
> > sense I was trying to convey.
>
> Atonement.
>
> And you really are irretrievably lapsed if you're forgetting your
> confessional terminology, my child.
Too bloody right.
Una
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:22:37 +1100 (EST)
From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list)
Subject: [B7L] updated web-pages
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I got a prod to go and put some more things up on my Blake's 7 web
page when someone on another list pointed out (off-topic) a web page
with Star Trek vs Blake's 7 stuff on it, I looked at it, wandered
around the page a bit, and discovered that it was half full of
postings *I* had made to aus.sf more than ten years ago.
(Particularly the address list which I used to maintain.)
After writing a stiff letter to the person, I also figured that if my
words were good enough for someone else to rip off, then maybe I
should go through some of my old postings and polish them up and put
them on my page. So I have.
Added to my page are
- my original Blake's 7 verus Star Trek posting of 1988
- my Kerr-Avon-is-like-Oliver-Sampson posting
- a summary of the what if Blake's 7 was in the Sime/Gen universe
discussion
- a little bit about SAAB and Blake's 7
- and some silly bits
http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat/b7
Of course now I've run out of energy, it will probably be a while
until I do another burst of updating.
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:02:15 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert
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'Farscape' 6.20 BBC2
Review in the 'Guardian'
'Not the most original sci-fi series out there - the crew-who-don't-get-on'
scenario is pure Blakes 7, while the effects owe much to Babylon 5. But
enjoyable hokum'
Might be worth checking out?
Alison
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:36:02 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
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Jacqueline wrote:
>Neil wrote:
>> I've always been led to understand that in real life, if you
>> have to use a
>> gun, you can't do anything more than shoot to hit. Insofar
>> as you aim at
>> any particular part of the target, you go for the torso, since this
>> represents the largest target area (as well as containing all
>> the vital organs).
>
>I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. The gun
>Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something equally SF-ish and
>was therefore recoilless, and might well have some kind of feedback that
>makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at. They already do this
>for computer extensions such as the mouse, so it's not so strange to expect
>something similar to be developed for weapons. That would explain Avon's
>steep learning curve when it came to shooting: he'd have to get used to how
>the feedback related to the real world, but once he had developed a feel
for
>that, hitting a target, no matter how small, would have become child's
play.
Like I said, I've had no real combat experience. I have played a laser tag
game (with recoiless guns) where I proved my total inability to distinguish
friend from foe, which might have been a bad thing If I'd managed to hit
anyone at all. At the end of the day, whether you use a bullet or a laser
bolt, you've still got to point it in the right direction, so the smaller
the target the more you stand to miss. In a real life-or-death situation
armed with a Ray Gun (TM), you would surely still shoot to hit and assess
the consequences afterwards.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:28:22 -0000
From: "Kayleigh Z Banks" <kayleigh@kayleighbanks.screaming.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
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><pedant mode on>
>Well, since the revolt was pre-planned, I would have >expected Avon,
>like the other key members of it, to have refrained from >eating and
>drinking so as to avoid the suppressants, so that doesn't >wash.
><pedant mode off>
Well, if we're going to nit-pick:
Blake only approached Avon a few minutes before expecting him to act,
therefore Avon would not have had any opportunity to fast.
Kayleigh
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:33:14 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert
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Alison wrote:
> 'Farscape' 6.20 BBC2
>
> Review in the 'Guardian'
>
> 'Not the most original sci-fi series out there - the
crew-who-don't-get-on'
> scenario is pure Blakes 7, while the effects owe much to Babylon 5. But
> enjoyable hokum'
>
> Might be worth checking out?
This was rather more passable than could be reasonably expected. I've
clearly spent too much time watching Star Trek.
'The crew-who-don't-get-on' scenario, hmm? How about 'the
crew-of-escaped-prisoners-who-pinch-a-ship-*and*-who-don't-get-on' scenario?
Una
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:37:20 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
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>> From: Jacqueline Thijsen
>>
>> >The gun
>> >Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something
>> >equally SF-ish and was therefore recoilless,
>>
>> Well actually........ Think about it, conservation of
>> momentum and all that.
>
>Thought about it..... I don't recall ever feeling a recoil when I switched
>on a flashlight, which sends out quite a few photons.
But hardly enough photons to do any damage to anything. Photons DO have
momentum. If you were lucky enough to do A-Level physics, you might recall a
little experiment where a little paddle wheel is suspended from near
frictionless bearing in a vacuum. One side of each paddle is silvered, the
other blacked. When you shine a bright light on it, it rotates. i.e. it
gains momentum from the photons in the light beam. QED.
Now, ignoring the effects of focussing for the moment (BIG assumption), if
you are going to launch sufficient photons for their impact on a target /
absorption by a target, then conservation of momentum states (or Newton's
Law
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" if you like) that
there will be a significant force on the gun. i.e. a recoil. Now FOCUSSING.
Total energy/momentum can't be avoided. But lets say that my gun emits two
photons simultaneously, one towards the target, and the other away, carrying
away the excess momentum. I need more power (at least twice as much), but
did you see the battery packs for the liberator guns. Net result - no
recoil. Problem, holder of gun is damaged to the same extent as target.
Solution, apply two lenses, one complex lens, with many elements, perhaps
in an advanced civilisation constructed from a single Perspex rod which
concentrates the beam on the target. The other lens is a big divergent lens,
like a huge ring, perhaps with a secondary rim like lens around its
circumference. This reduces the intensity of the beam, preventing damage to
the user, and MOST IMPORTANTLY gives a nice satisfying glow when the gun is
fired. QED.
><snipping interesting stuff>
>> >and might well have some kind of feedback that
>> >makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at.
>>
>> Didn't Dayna "invent" one of those, or do you see Dayna's invention as
>> something more ?
>
>No, I just didn't remember Dayna's invention. Sorry, it's been a while
since
>I had time to watch even my new video's, let alone the old ones. I still
>have to watch video's 24 and 25. In which episode did Dayna invent this
>weapon?
Aftermath, Series 3, Episode 1.
Andrew
p.s. I happened to see Orac last night, and from the way Avon is staggering
down a near scree slope after "that hand shot", he might well have been
aiming at Servalan.
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:49:24 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
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Kathryn wrote:
<I just want to hug him and make it all better. 8-)>
Nice idea and all that - I adore Dark and Dysfunctional, but
I can't help thinking that it would be like trying to hug a
seriously annoyed bolt of lightning...
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:03:28 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Kayleigh wrote:
> I think we'd all secretly like to be like Avon, after all, wouldn't we just
> love to be as rude as he is and get away with it? As for his pessimism, it
> does have its compensations
<g> Bite your tongue. Avon's a realist, not a pessimist.
Interestingly, I read somewhere recently that a study had been
done that showed that pessimists actually have a more accurate
view of reality than optimists do. (Although, I have to admit this
makes me wonder if it doesn't just mean that the scientists who
set up the tests were all pessimists.)
Welcome, Kayleigh
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:45:28 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Peter Borg wrote:
> Despite
> owning all the videos, there's something about
> watching it on telly (more than the better quality of
> digital TV over video tape).
I've noticed this myself; plus I get the same sensation with
listening to the radio, vs. an album. I've narrowed it down
to two possible causes: 1) it feels less like a solitary pursuit,
because you know subconciously that others are tuned in
as well (?) 2) it helps in the suspension of disbelief, because
it seems more 'live', as if you're observing from a distance
something that's actually happening (?).
Has anybody else got any thoughts on this?
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:32:47 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> In a real life-or-death situation
> armed with a Ray Gun (TM), you would surely still shoot to hit and assess
> the consequences afterwards.
A prescription for disaster if I ever heard one. Even if the bullet/ray
kills, the target doesn't drop immediately; that's a TV fiction. Had
Avon actually hit Travis in the head, there's a good chance that
Travis would have still shot Blake, either deliberately, or with a
dying reflex. The hand shot disabled the weapon. (Plus, Servalan
might have been in the way of a clear shot at Travis's head, IIRC.)
You *have* to think about the consequences before you shoot;
and preferably, before you pick up the gun. Not doing so will
get you killed.
Mind you, I'm not saying the hand shot would be a viable option
for 99.9 % of anybody armed with today's weaponry, but with the
feedback idea Jacqueline's described (which is a wonderful idea
that explains for a change why the good guys almost always hit
what they aim at, and the bad guys never do), it might be with a
Liberator gun.
Mistral (who is also not much good at laser tag)
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Date: 29 Nov 1999 13:41:21 -0800
From: David Walsh <davidw@handbag.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Sarcophagus
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My partner and I, were watching B7 last night, the episode Sarcophagus.
Now he really is a new fan, so we are watching all of B7 in order.
What I want to know is, were Avon's and Tarrant's emotions real on the flight deck, or was it to do with the Blue eggy thing, Cally brought on board.
Because I really don't remember Tarrant getting that shirty, and he shouldn't have anyway.
I agree with Avon it was his ship, no Blake, and Tarrant was a newcomer anyway.......
Servalan At Last Is On Lysator.............
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:49:37 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment
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>From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
>Joanne wrote:
> > Or at least after he'd given them permanent brain damage by
> > thumping them
> > over the head with one of those overgrown family bible things.
> > The Word of God as a really dangerous, physical thing, hmmm...
>Yes, I can see Avon getting religion for that reason.
I must confess, that if he was anything like me on the matter of the more
evangelical religious groups, Avon wouldn't need to get religion at all. A
rolled-up copy of The Watchtower might drive off all but the most
determined, I suspect.
Regards
Joanne
(with the image of Avon armed with nothing but beforementioned publication,
driving away the people who dared to ring the doorbell on Xenon, while Vila
laughs his head off...)
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:09:53 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus
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>From: David Walsh <davidw@handbag.com>
>Servalan At Last Is On Lysator.............
Oh my God!
Welcome, your Fabulousness, and what a divine name for an e-mail provider
<grin>
Oh, and beware of the Godmother and her Tarrant Nostran minions, who might
want to explain a few things to you about Tarrant <bigger grin>
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:11:58 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
><I just want to hug him and make it all better. 8-)>
>
>Nice idea and all that - I adore Dark and Dysfunctional, but
>I can't help thinking that it would be like trying to hug a
>seriously annoyed bolt of lightning...
Sally, I love this image. Thank you.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:25:02 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <mistral@ptinet.net>, "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7
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Mistral wrote:
> Peter Borg wrote:
>
> > Despite
> > owning all the videos, there's something about
> > watching it on telly (more than the better quality of
> > digital TV over video tape).
>
> I've noticed this myself; plus I get the same sensation with
> listening to the radio, vs. an album. I've narrowed it down
> to two possible causes: 1) it feels less like a solitary pursuit,
> because you know subconciously that others are tuned in
> as well (?)
Definitely that one. That's what I've always thought. Condemned me to many
nights of repeats and VH1 rather than interesting things I've taped.
Una
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:27:15 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus
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Welcome, Supremity!
From: David Walsh <davidw@handbag.com>
> My partner and I, were watching B7 last night, the episode Sarcophagus.
> Now he really is a new fan, so we are watching all of B7 in order.
> What I want to know is, were Avon's and Tarrant's emotions real on the
flight deck, or was it to do with the Blue eggy thing, Cally brought on
board.
I always thought that the blue eggy thing heightened emotions that were at
least partially there.
Cool domain name, Servie!
Una
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:24:02 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA
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Mistral wrote:
> Interestingly, I read somewhere recently that a study had been
> done that showed that pessimists actually have a more accurate
> view of reality than optimists do. (Although, I have to admit this
> makes me wonder if it doesn't just mean that the scientists who
> set up the tests were all pessimists.)
Yeah, I came across that one when I was studying clinical psychology. It was
'proven' in a study that depressives had a better grasp of reality than
happy people.
Una
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:49:15 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus
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In message <19991129214121.20524.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net>, David Walsh
<davidw@handbag.com> writes
>Servalan At Last Is On Lysator.............
And very welcome too:-) Love the domain name...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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