From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #333 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/333 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 333 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA [B7L] Farscape Re: [B7L] Farscape [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #331 Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus RE: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Re: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus [B7L] Re: Avon and Blake's agenda (was: blakes7-d Digest V99 #331) Re: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Re: [B7L] Deliverance Videos RE: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:20:30 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <19991130082029.A11500@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Nov 29, 1999 at 12:49:24PM -0800, Sally Manton wrote: > Kathryn wrote: > > > > Nice idea and all that - I adore Dark and Dysfunctional, but > I can't help thinking that it would be like trying to hug a > seriously annoyed bolt of lightning... Yes, well, perhaps I've got the order wrong: *first* make it all better, *then* give him a hug... 8-) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:35:27 EST From: JEB31538@cs.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Farscape Message-ID: <0.deee3c23.257491ef@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I think if you watch FARSCAPE you'll find some B7 references or similarities just as there were some in both BABYLON 5 and CRUSADE, BABYLON 5 being a series I loved and CRUSADE being so boring I only watched 3 episodes. (Not that my liking a series or not has anything to do with the topic.) FARSCAPE is in its second year and the last episode I watched (the one prior to Thanksgiving) was very much like DUEL which is, of course, similar to ARENA. There was,also, some DAY OF THE DOVE tossed in. Since the only SCI-FI I watch besides ORIGINAL STAR TREK and BLAKE'S 7 is FARSCAPE and EARTH: FINAL CONFLICT, I'm probably not the best judge of a sci-fi series worth or not. But I enjoy FARSCAPE. In the past, I have loved BABYLON 5, FOREVER KNIGHT, and BEAUTY AND THE BEAST (the Ron Perlman version). But, of them all, my heart belongs to Roj Blake. Do give FARSCAPE a chance. You might have to watch 3 or 4 episodes, though, to really get into it. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:43:52 EST From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: JEB31538@cs.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Farscape Message-ID: <0.ce700e8.257493e8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/1999 6:37:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, JEB31538@cs.com writes: > I think if you watch FARSCAPE you'll find some B7 references or similarities > just as there were some in both BABYLON 5 and CRUSADE, BABYLON 5 being a > series I loved and CRUSADE being so boring I only watched 3 episodes. (Not > that my liking a series or not has anything to do with the topic.) FARSCAPE > is in its second year and the last episode I watched (the one prior to > Thanksgiving) was very much like DUEL which is, of course, similar to > ARENA. There was,also, some DAY OF THE DOVE tossed in. I thought Farscape was fluff compared to shows like Blakes 7 and Babylon 5, but it's very enjoyable fluff. There's nothing wrong with a little candy now and then. :-) Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:40:20 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #331 Message-ID: <38434724.28FD@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > asked Blake what he thought he could accomplish, etc.> > > I doubt it - in fact, I think he'd find the whole subject > painfully boring. In the scene in Spacefall, Avon seems far > less interested in what Blake is actually propounding than in > Blake's *own* clear, blazing belief in it (and what that is > going to mean for Avon personally). > > I can see him taking pains to avoid any on-going political > discussions on the Liberator ("tell me how you want me to Fight > for Freedom, Blake - just stop telling me *why*!!!") > That's EXACTLY what I meant about asking him WHAT he thought he could accomplish. IMHO, Avon probably has picked up the notion of governments rule with the consent of the people-- and sees a general lack of interest in politics among the 'rabble'. He and whoever choose not to be part of the Federation can find ways to flee or something. Only Blake has this wierd idea about *changing* things. Interesting, but does he have anything like a practical plan? Our nasy little INTx would enjoy pointing out the negatives to any thoughts Blake had and scoffing at his impracticality. Which, pre-Liberator, might earn Avon a punch in the over-sized nose. :) --Avona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:46:49 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Message-ID: <0.5447c7ff.2574bec9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/29/99 2:42:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, davidw@handbag.com writes: > Servalan At Last Is On Lysator............. Welcome, Supreme Empress! As well as the Tarrant Nostra, watch out for the factions of the two Travises (or should that be Travii?) - though they mostly inhabit the Other List... Nina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:19:54 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F95B718@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" steve wrote: > > > Insofar as you aim at > > > any particular part of the target, you go for the torso, > since this > > > represents the largest target area (as well as containing all > > > the vital organs). > > > > I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. > > Not true. It's down to two things: > > 1. On handguns, the barrel is really short, and you don't get that > much accuracy to begin with. This doesn't make difference on a sf gun, > usually. > > 2. Much more importantly, small errors in positioning your > hand amplify > dramatically over the distances involved, so it's really easy to miss. Duh, I should have thought of that. Good thing I thought up the feedback tracking thingy that makes up for that. And I suppose that would help with the recoil as well. > I can accept Avon learning how to shoot, after deciding it > would be necessary. > Peter O'Donnell's Modesty Blaise character occasionally > mentions spending > hours a day, every day, for years, just practising quick-draw > shooting. Her > opinion was that she'd only need it a few times in her life, > but it was > worth putting in the practice because she'd need it to survive. > > It's a shame, really: just think what Avon *could* have been > doing with all those spare hours... Since those practising hours really did help Avon to survive (and saved Fearless Leader a few times in the bargain), he would have been doing a lot *less* in the little bit of time he'd have had if he hadn't practised. Modesty was quite right about that. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 99 06:34:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus Message-Id: <199911300635.GAA22042@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, David-Servalan! Good to see you here. With regard to what was really going on in Sarcophagus, this seems to be (as Joanne suggested) a key point of division between Tarrant fans and anti- Tarrant fans. Those who dislike Tall and Toothy see it as evidence of what a mean bully he was to poor little Avon. Those who like him consider both of them, perhaps especially Tarrant, to have been under the malign influence of the blue egg at the time. By an odd coincidence, only the other day I came across an ancient post of my own in my files. It's dated June 16, 1995! It's about this very subject, and I'm pretty sure it was sent to another list than this one in the first place, so here it is. I think I also had the relevant excerpt from the transcript of the episode, but I seem to have deleted that. (The reference to A & T both being on the run must have had something to do with the post I was replying to, which I didn't save.) >>>I'd have to watch "Sarcophagus" again to cite specific telling details, but I still maintain that telling off Avon to his face is abnormal behavior for Tarrant. Cally may have been the only one who could be influenced by the alien directly, but I'm sure the thing could create a mood of tension in which any underlying antagonism would surface. Didn't someone-- Dayna, I think-- say something earlier in the scene about smelling ozone, as if a storm were coming? As indeed it was, though emotional rather than meteorological. In that scene, it seems that the alien is creating a distraction so that Cally can operate the controls of the device without being noticed. I assumed the references to success vs. failure had to do with the failure of the bank fraud, vs. Tarrant's apparently rather successful career as first a hotshot (why else would Servalan have known who he was?) Space Command officer and then a mercenary. They're both on the run, all right, but in Tarrant's case it appears to be by choice. (Of course, we don't know much about his background, so the fan can make up what she pleases.) After Dayna intervenes, Tarrant says something like "Avon, do you want to forget I said that?" which I construed as an indirect apology. More normal A-T interaction is what we see in "Rumours of Death," where Tarrant is extremely supportive of Avon despite superficial hostility (and what does that attitude remind you of?!). Then there is the lovely moment in "Terminal" when he stops Avon from jumping Servalan and probably getting them all killed-- an interesting contrast to "Harvest of Kairos," in which Tarrant is the rash one and Avon the sensible one. Really, they're very cute together.<<< Sarah T. (shortly to be away from e-mail for a while, so apologies in advance if I don't respond promptly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:43:49 +0100 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: Lysator Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA Message-ID: <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F95B71D@NL-ARN-MAIL01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Una wrote: > > Mistral wrote: > > > Interestingly, I read somewhere recently that a study had been > > done that showed that pessimists actually have a more accurate > > view of reality than optimists do. (Although, I have to admit this > > makes me wonder if it doesn't just mean that the scientists who > > set up the tests were all pessimists.) > > Yeah, I came across that one when I was studying clinical > psychology. It was > 'proven' in a study that depressives had a better grasp of > reality than happy people. Not true. I'm depressed all the time and I don't want to have anything to do with reality. It's too much of a downer. Avon, on the other hand, has an excellent grasp of reality, but I'd hardly call him depressed. He makes *other* people depressed. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:18:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 29 Nov, Alison Page wrote: > 'Farscape' 6.20 BBC2 > > Review in the 'Guardian' > > 'Not the most original sci-fi series out there - the crew-who-don't-get-on' > scenario is pure Blakes 7, while the effects owe much to Babylon 5. But > enjoyable hokum' > > Might be worth checking out? Well, the little alien on the scooter things reminds me of Vila. Cute, nervous, larcenous habits and probably tells tall tales too. Is he really a king? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:47:15 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus Message-ID: <19991130104716.28004.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sarah, thanks for the post you dug up. It still doesn't clear up my confusion over that little tirade from Tarrant, especially the bit..."As far as it goes, I've made a success of my life...But I win. Not just at games, at life." Now I know Toothy has ego to burn (they nearly all do ) but as a matter of fact...yes, he was a high-flyer in the FSA, but that's nothing to be proud of, given that by now he *surely* realises he was a willing and valuable part of a force of oppression. And he deserted, throwing all of that dubious success away anyway. We have no details of his mercenary career, but he landed on the Liberator with nothing more than the (stolen) clothes on his back, so there's no reason to believe he was any more than mildly competent at that (given his lack of caution and common sense, I'd be surprised if he was more, Kairos and City being cases in point). He's now in precisely the same (figurative) boat as Avon, members of a crew on a ship still thought of by the outside world as Blake's. He has made no *more* of a success of his life than Avon - they both had chances, and blew them. So what exactly where is this winning??? What *does* he mean by this bit of swaggering? (And no wonder he's embarrased afterwards...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:49:42 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus Message-ID: <19991130104942.17232.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed David wrote: IMO, real emotions intensified and a little out of control by reason of blue-eggy. Neither would have *said* those things without the influence (nor would Tarrant have been quite so sneery to Cally). Tarrant sometimes likes, is sometimes (like now) really aggravated by Avon; Avon's feeling for Toothy still move between basic indifference, a mild, impersonal, faux-family kind of care and strong irritation. (These are my opinions only, of course...) And it's the negative feelings that the alien picks up on and heightens. I agree that Tarrant especially goes somewhat overboard, but it ain't IMO bullying, since Avon is tougher anyway, and is completely unintimidated and unimpressed, pointedly looking down his not inconsiderable nose at Tarrant (not easy when Tarrant's that much taller). Toothy is the one most embarrased at the end (well, that's how *I* interpret his expression just before/as he's making that oblique apology). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:54:27 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon and Blake's agenda (was: blakes7-d Digest V99 #331) Message-ID: <19991130105428.62529.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After I wrote: Avona added: Which indicates that I have worded my own reply badly...I don't think Avon is even vaguely interested in *what* Blake hopes to accomplish. He listens - once, in a sort of stunned way - in Spacefall. His opinion of what Blake says is fairly clearly set out in Cygnus Alpha - "He's a crusader. He'll look upon all this as just one more weapon to use against the Federation. And he can't win. You know he can't win. What do you want to be rich or dead?" To the best of my knowledge, that's IT until he's forced into his own fight in 4th season (someone tell me if I'm wrong). Avon's interest lies almost purely in the nuts-and-bolts of what Blake is planning right now - the missions rather than the agenda behind them, the plans for the next week rather than the hopes for the future (he doesn't even believe Blake *has* a future, even as he's risking his neck for the man. Who said he's a rational creature?) There's also a fascination for the fact *that* Blake believes in something - something *outside himself* so strongly, but I'm very doubtful that Avon would want to talk about what that something *is*. He would *never* ask what Fearless Leader hopes to achieve, for fear that Fearless Leader might actually *tell* him (and at length ). This is of course JMO... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 06:32:46 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus Message-ID: <0.18310382.25750fde@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sarah wrote: > Hi, David-Servalan! Good to see you here. Indeed! Welcome. > With regard to what was really going on in Sarcophagus, this seems to be (as > Joanne suggested) a key point of division between Tarrant fans and anti- > Tarrant fans. You mean they don't realize we're right yet? ;) > >>>I'd have to watch "Sarcophagus" again to cite specific telling details, > but > I still maintain that telling off Avon to his face is abnormal behavior for > Tarrant. Agreed. I think the key to deciphering the incident is that it is atypical. > Cally may have been the only one who could be influenced by the > alien directly, but I'm sure the thing could create a mood of tension in > which any underlying antagonism would surface. And underlying strife. The alien wanted to encourage conflict among the crew; all the better to avoid having them work as a team against her. Take this line in a sequence where Vila sees an image of Dayna on the flight deck: Dayna to Vila: "Your helplessness brings out my sadistic streak." As with the Tarrant-Avon pawing, this is an exaggeration of an underlying truth. Vila's weaknesses probably does encourage the "huntress" to pick on him and tease him, but not to the point of cruelty that "sadistic" implies. It's more on the order of sibling strife. Dayna may taunt Vila, but she's also ready and willing to defend him and she does care about him. > As indeed it was, though emotional rather than > meteorological. In that scene, it seems that the alien is creating a > distraction so that Cally can operate the controls of the device without > being noticed. Which is exactly what Avon implies later when he talks about them being outmaneuvered. > I assumed the references to success vs. failure had to do with the failure > of the bank fraud, vs. Tarrant's apparently rather successful career as > first a hotshot (why else would Servalan have known who he was?) Space > Command officer and then a mercenary. They're both on the run, all right, > but in Tarrant's case it appears to be by choice. (Of course, we don't > know > much about his background, so the fan can make up what she pleases.) After > Dayna intervenes, Tarrant says something like "Avon, do you want to forget > I > said that?" which I construed as an indirect apology. Yes. As Una said: "the blue eggy thing heightened emotions that were at least partially there." Neither Tarrant or Avon is short in the arrogance department. (They are very much alike.) And while Tarrant is normally too polite and too much a team player to call Avon on which of them is best, the eggy's influence prompted it to spill out, and to spill out more viciously than is in character for Tarrant. (Per Dayna's vicious comment to Vila, cited above.) I also wonder if the conflict between Avon and Tarrant in "Sarcophagus" might not relate back, at least in part, to "Rumours." Avon is feeling embarrassed that Tarrant (and Tarrant in particular because of the third season crew only Tarrant is Avon's rival) saw him vulnerable, saw that Avon was a fool over Anna. While Tarrant is embarrassed that he revealed he cared about Avon, as much as he tried to cover it with Avon-like pragmatism. So in "Sarcophagus" we find both of them pulling back from each other and reestablishing dignified, Alpha walls. > More normal A-T interaction is what we see in "Rumours of Death," where > Tarrant is extremely supportive of Avon despite superficial hostility (and > what does that attitude remind you of?!). Exactly! I've been writing up my "Rumours" notes for the upcoming Freedom City discussion, and I just love that scene where Tarrant is gruffly claiming to care only because he's worried about being on the wrong end of Avon's gun. It's clearly Tarrant pulling an Avon. > Then there is the lovely moment > in "Terminal" when he stops Avon from jumping Servalan and probably getting > them all killed-- an interesting contrast to "Harvest of Kairos," in which > Tarrant is the rash one and Avon the sensible one. Really, they're very > cute together. Scrumptiously cute. They take turns at being rash/sensible. Joanne wrote: > Oh, and beware of the Godmother and her Tarrant Nostran minions, who might > want to explain a few things to you about Tarrant Yep, we're bigger, stronger, made a success of our lives, etc. ;) But we have nothing but respect and admiration for Her Supremeness who, after all, does have the good taste to appreciate both Avon and Tarrant. "It's just that a universe without Avon and Tarrant will take a certain amount of getting used to." (Servalan, Assassin) Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:07:47 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Message-ID: <199911300708_MC2-8F11-5121@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit David wrote: > My partner and I, were watching B7 last night, >the episode Sarcophagus. Now he really is a new >fan, so we are watching all of B7 in order. What I >want to know is, were Avon's and Tarrant's emotions >real on the flight deck, or was it to do with the Blue >eggy thing, Cally brought on board. I hope he's resourceful and decorative! I think it's generally assumed that the blue eggy thing heightened their emotions, but I don't think it would work if there wasn't something there in the first place (cf Cally's loneliness making her vulnerable to its appeal). It's a much better story if Tarrant really had thought all that about Avon on some occasion, but suppressed it until now. Also I find Avon's reaction unusually subdued - seeing it straight after Rumours, I wonder if he half believes Tarrant's accusations of failure. One of the episode's functions is to restore Avon's self-confidence (he can still out-think an enemy, he finds a woman who won't betray him). Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:30:27 EST From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus Message-ID: <0.1d398907.25751d63@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote: > Also I find Avon's reaction unusually subdued - seeing it straight after > Rumours, I wonder if he half believes Tarrant's accusations of failure. > One of the episode's functions is to restore Avon's self-confidence (he can > still out-think an enemy, he finds a woman who won't betray him). These are wonderful observations, Harriet. Poor Avon is at a low point in self confidence. I hadn't thought about how his "victories" in SARCOPHAGUS so neatly balanced his failures in RUMOURS. That would help him bounce back. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:32:15 +0000 From: JMR To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance Videos Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 08:14 26/11/99 , Judith Proctor wrote: >On Thu 25 Nov, Wendy Duffield wrote: >> Does anyone know if there has been any news on the >> videos from the horizon organised Deliverence >> convention ? > >I believe they ran into editing problems and are finding someone else to do the >editing. > Looking back over recent postings, I found this and thought I should clarify the position for the benefit of Wendy, Judith and anyone else interested in the videos of the "Deliverance" convention. Information about "Deliverance", btw, can always be obtained by contacting myself or Diane (diane@horizon.org.uk). Diane's email address can also be used for general "Horizon" queries. Information may also be found on the club's web pages: http://www.horizon.org.uk Regarding the videos: the tapes are still being edited by Jackie Ophir (who did editing on "Prime Suspect", "Hostile Waters" etc). Problems have arisen not with the editor, but with the technical aspects of the process. The videos have been delayed because it wasn't possible to convert the master tapes to the format required for editing until late this summer (the footage having been shot professionally, professional equipment is required to transfer the material for the editing suite - which has meant choosing between waiting for downtime to get the transfer done for free, or paying the going rate for equipment/studio time etc - not an option for a charity convention). Jackie Ophir has booked time out to complete at least one tape in January 2000 so we hope to finally start getting these long awaited tapes out to eager customers then. The other 2 tapes will follow as soon as possible. The first tape will be "Best of Deliverance 98" - 90 minutes of the best bits from all the panels, the fancy dress, cabaret, and a look at the convention through the eyes of our Roving Camera. Tape 2 will be our "Front of House" tape - a fuller version of the best panels featuring the B7 actors/actresses. Tape 3 is "The Backstage Boys (& Girls)" - fuller versions of the best panels featuring our guests from behind the scenes. This tape will also include Mat Irvine's Exhibition Tour. "Deliverance" has been collecting deposits for tapes but we haven't been able to confirm the full price for each tape since we can't do a costing for the on-line editing until the off-line editing is complete. Each tape will be no more than £15 (UK PAL format) and there will be a discount for buying all 3 tapes together. In addition, those who have already paid deposits will receive the tapes at a cheaper price as a 'thank you' for their patience. Everyone who has paid a deposit will, once we know the final prices and despatch dates, be sent a flyer by snail-mail with the full information to pay the balance. This information will also appear on the Horizon website, and in Horizon's next magazine and news bulletins. Deliverance 98 apologises for the delay in providing these long awaited tapes, but they are definitely worth waiting for (we've seen the master tapes and the quality is excellent). However, anyone wanting a refund of their deposit may apply for one (however, if you re-order later, you won't qualify for the long-suffering-deposit-payer's special discount). If anyone wants any further clarification, please phone Diane Gies on 0181-904 5588 or email her at diane@horizon.org.uk It was always our intention to produce high-quality, professional recordings from the convention, rather than standard "camcordered" tapes. We apologise again for the long delay, but hope you will agree that the final results are worth the wait. Judith M. Rolls "Deliverance" ConCom http://home.clara.net/jager/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:29:23 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus Message-ID: <01BF3B69.B8A21CA0@host212-140-45-237.btinternet.com> The blue egg thing I think was influencing what was said on the flight deck between Avon and Tarrant. However, I don't think the egg just plucked those thoughts out of thin air, merely raided Tarrant's mind. Tarrant would never had said those things normally, but I'd be willing to bet he'd been thinking them. Louise -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #333 **************************************