From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #7 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume99/7 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: Free time again Re: [B7L] Re: Free time again Re: [B7L] Free time again/GETTING OFF TOPIC Re: [B7L] Homophobia [B7L] Re: Homophobia/Who [B7L] Re: Vila [B7L] Vila, Tanith Lee Re: [B7L] Re: Vila Re: [B7L] Tanith Lee and her Fascism? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:42:58 -0000 From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Free time again Message-Id: <E0zyxmq-0002XY-00@post.mail.demon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet said - > How many times do I have to say AVON DOES NOT LISTEN TO MUSIC. > > Julius Caesar said so (Act 1, Scene 2). He mentioned that A didn't go to > the theatre either. 'Seldom he smiles and smiles in such a sort as if he mocked himself and scorned his spirit that could be moved to smile at anything. Such men as he be never at heart's ease while they behold a greater than themselves and therefore they are very dangerous' Alison ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:03:28 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Free time again Message-ID: <000301be3be9$4b7db1a0$051aac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >How many times do I have to say AVON DOES NOT LISTEN TO MUSIC. You're absolutely right. He listens to Pink Floyd instead. > >Julius Caesar said so (Act 1, Scene 2). He mentioned that A didn't go to >the theatre either. Ah, so that explains why Vila went and installed a ticket office and cardboard cutout usherette in every cubicle on the Liberator. That's why Avon was always going down to planets with Blake, he was bursting. What would Shakespeare know anyway? He can't even spell properly. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:16:55 EST From: ShilLance@aol.com To: pussnboots@geocities.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again/GETTING OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <19ddaf0e.36978f07@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/8/99 5:42:14 PM EST, pussnboots@geocities.com writes: << I agree. In a self defense class the instructor showed a Remo Williams movie: and pointed out all the instances where Remo used items at hand to fight attackers. i.e. quick wit in knowing what to grab and what to do with it. >> Question. How many Remo Williams movies are there? I only know of one subtitled "The Adventure Begins" Were there otheres, did they involve Fred Ward and were they theatrical releases. Sorry about the lapse in topic........ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:19:51 EST From: ShilLance@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Homophobia Message-ID: <53400aee.36978fb7@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/8/99 0:08:17 AM EST, kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes: << If this is homophobia, then a smile is sexual harrasment. Talk about subtle. (Kathryn throws her hands up in the air) You say, that because there is the faint possibility that some of the villains *might* be gay, (also due to the casting and the acting, don't forget) that the author is homophobic. Talk about over-reaction! >> I never assumed any of the characters in B7 were gay.....I never saw any indications they were. Is there a possibility we're seeing things where they are not? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: brent@ntr.net To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Homophobia/Who Message-Id: <199901092022.PAA23489@rome.ntr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Iain: >>Also, we're looking at a small number of scripts here. Holmes wrote loads >>of Dr Who stories, and was script editor for even more. In all those >>stories that I've seen I can't think of a single example of negativity >>towards homosexuals. You'd think, if he had such a bee in his bonnet, it >>would have expressed itself in DW as well. Neil: >Pas devant les enfants? DW was for kids, B7 for adults. Ish. Thus far, you've presented your case very well, however, I don't think you can say DW was for kids and B7 adults. I think both were designed to appeal to kid and adult audiences. Some might even say B7 was for kids, too. Fortunately, all of us here know better. Iain made an excellent point about Holmes' DW work and your dismissal doesn't address it. At any rate, even if DW was for kids, that does not mean that a homophobic subtext couldn't be inserted into the stories. Holmes could have easily inserted the same "homophobic" themes in his DW stories as you allege he did in his B7 stories. Neil: >I recall thinking there were some iffy elements in at least one DW script by >Holmes. Talons of Weng-Chiang? I'm really not sufficiently Who-wise. That's too bad. If you were Who-wise, you would know that it wasn't just for kids. In many instances, it wasn't for kids at all (Ghost Light springs to mind). Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:46:17 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Re: Vila Message-ID: <199901091646_MC2-6615-2DBE@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rob wrote: >Of course, Vila's darker, more dangerous side did surface at times >other than in "The Way Back". There's "Breakdown", for instance. I see it in "Gold", which I really think happened after "Orbit", not before - he's so grim when interrogating Keiller, and I love it when he makes Avon sweat before teleporting him. >It was a gradual process in some ways, but for >those of us who count the first episode as their favouite (e.g. me), >there is always the suspicion that the series had the potential to be >very different, possibly even better, than it actually turned out to be. There is a Platonic Form of Blake's 7 which exists out there somewhere, and of which the BBC version is merely a shadow. I told my brother this 20 years ago, and I still believe it. If I believed in heaven, of course, I would be expecting to see the Platonic Form of B7 if I got there. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 99 02:11:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Vila, Tanith Lee Message-Id: <199901100226.CAA01570@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Neil, why do you feel that Vila wasn't really a Delta? This is a very popular idea in fan fiction, but it's always bothered me a bit, because it seems to me that that view acepts the Federation grading system as having some sort of validity. That is, Deltas really =are= stupid- - and therefore clever Vila can't possibly be one. I feel uncomfortable with that idea. And I second Penny's request for your views on Tanith Lee's alleged fascism. She, after all was the scriptwriter who explicitly commented on Vila's high intelligence, in "Sarcophagus." Sarah T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:29:04 -0000 From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila Message-Id: <E0zzIMe-0003vy-00@post.mail.demon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet said - > There is a Platonic Form of Blake's 7 which exists out there somewhere, and > of which the BBC version is merely a shadow. I told my brother this 20 > years ago, and I still believe it. If I believed in heaven, of course, I > would be expecting to see the Platonic Form of B7 if I got there. Aren't there some people who argue that the last few seconds before the big crunch at the end of the Universe will be infinitely protracted. A big data processing system constructed by the super races who survive a the very end of time will replicate the souls of all beings who have ever lived and 'run' them on their supersystem, simulating a state of bliss. And at this point I expect to see.. nay participate in.. the Platonic form of Blakes 7. [I read about this theory in a book called 'the physics of immortality by a very eccentric American professor of physics if anyone is interested] Alison PS Harriet it sometimes unsettles me how similarly our minds run - in various ways ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:11:03 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Tanith Lee and her Fascism? Message-ID: <000201be3cb2$5c663540$e41eac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Neil murmured offhandedly: > >>And as for Tanith Lee and her Fascism... > >Ye-e-s? *Do* go on... You mean you haven't noticed it? Neil -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #7 ************************************