From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Sun Jul 21 14:50:35 1996 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 18:47:48 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #61 tariqas-digest Sunday, 14 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 061 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:32:05 -0700 Subject: Re: Abrogating and abogated verses Hello, folks! Steve H Rose wrote: > > Assalamu alaikum. > > On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 maarof@pc.jaring.my wrote: > > [snip] > > > However, in the Quran, the abrogating verses mark the > > end of the validity of the abrogated verses because their > > heed and effect was of a temporary or limited nature. In time the > > new law appears and announces the end of the validity of the > > earlier law. Considering that Quran was revealed over a > > period of twenty-three years in ever-changing circumstances, > > it is not difficult to imagine the necessity of such laws. > > Doesn't that seem to imply that some sections of the Quran might be meant > to apply specifically to the needs of people at that time, rather than > assuming that they all have the same validity today? > > Yours, > > Habib Same validity today? What? Validity comes from pure intuition, your direct link to All. A thought (with faith): The Prologue Al-Fatihah (The Opening) Amhad Ali translation: All praise be to Allah, Lord of all the worlds, Most beneficent, ever-merciful, King of the Day of Judgement. You alone we worship, and to You alone turn for help. Guide us (O Lord) to the path that is straight, The path of those You have blessed, Not of those who have earned Your anger, nor those who have gone astray. Saadi Shakur Chisti (Neil Douglas-Klotz) transliteration: We affirm that the next thing that happens occurs only With the Divine Void calling our name before we rayed into existence. >From the Original Womb comes both grace and mercy. The first, a supreme unconditioned love: before any need arose, a vital power enveloped itself, creating warmth, heat, radiation from a center without regard to what was lost or gained, a natural gift of the Cosmic Self. This always continues. The second, a tender response to all cries, all unfulfilled potential: the primordial pull of cosmic kinship bears acts of compassion, responding to all needs as though heard for the first time-- the breath of love in response to a sighing universe, the quality of mercy. We begin by means of the Entire Unfolding Cosmos from whose Womb is born the Sun and Moon of Love. - ---------------- The whole of al-Qur'an is contained right here in the prologue. It's all we need in the latter part of the 20th century. In fact all we need is the first word: Bismillah! (Praise be to Allah!) Peace and love along precious threads, tanzen ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 10:43:28 +0100 Subject: Re: praying mantis >Or is it preying mantis? The word for human being and praying mantis in my >language, Seneca Iroquois, happens to be the same, ongweh. Hello! I'm new >here. I'm a praying mantis. Good-bye, Assalaamu Alaykum, >Ali Haydar > >---- Wom Ali! That is an amazing coincidence, or is it. Only Allah knows! P. mantis says Hellow, ongweh. back Kaffea Lalla ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 11:03:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Kaffea Lalla's sheikh >I thought you were the sheikh. I guess I'm new here. You don't have a sheikh >yet? I found mine slowly whirling like a drunk man in front of the mosque >before the main gate of the Mevlevi "museum" in Konya. He works in a >pharmacy, is a descendant of Yunus Emre, and has only one follower, me. Does >that matter? Maybe he is still whirling there, ana al-Haqq, Allah, Allah, >Allah, repeats the blood flowing in the veins. I thought you were the >sheikh, beautiful heart, pure heart, dear Kaffea Lalla. > >------ Nope, I'm ordinary mureed. Like your story of how you found your Sheikh. Tell me about Yunus Emre, if you choose, please. His name sounds familiar. I do have a guide, initiator and am blessed by all you, my friends. It is Allah that deserves all praise for the Beloved is merciful and compassionate, just, wise and the true Creator of all gifts. Love Kaffea Lalla. ------------------------------ From: "Erik S. Ohlander" Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:24:46 Subject: Re: Hello again .../IMPORTANT May Allah (SWT) reward your efforts! >To answer your Q"; Maqam-r-Ruh was started April of 1993 and became >inactive >January 1995, after I was ask to re-start operations August of 1995 by the >executive board and chief muqaddam in Michigan the membership began to >grow >in Chicago, The executive board wants us to become a tariqah, while I >insist >we stay as a Islamic & Sufi Resource Service by spreading the Dawah of >Islam >through out North America through resource and teaching materials. >We are now applieing for our 501(c) 3, as a religious organization, I'm in >the process of trying to find us a sponser who has a 501(c) 3 until ours >has >been approved. In 1997 we would like to open and islamic center, Spiritual >healing center, half-way house for batter and abuse women, and homeless >shelter ( Insha-ALLAH). > >Please everyone pray that we are successful, > >Sh. Kenyatta Abdul-Aziz Haamid >Spiritual Guide, >Maqam-r-Ruh. > > ------------------------------ From: Gale Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 11:22:52 -0700 Subject: RE: Who is the one that reads? - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB7176.DAFE5040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Woodsong, well Chinese is my second language (but mostly Classical = and Buddhist-hybrid Chinese). From my work with Chinese (and I can say = that I have only on a few occasions actually dreamed in Chinese), they = are both characters and words. In modern Chinese, characters are = combined much more to express nouns, ideas, action than in the classical = literature. Each character has a sound, although there is no special = reason why a character is given a particular sound or a particular tonal = quality. Simply requires a great deal of memorization without much = logic. It seems all quite arbitrary. But the characters do in fact = represent images or combinations of images. Pretty much a lot of = right-brain stuff, whereas I've heard it said that Japanese which = borrows the Chinese characters as well as having its own alphabets or = letters is both right and left brained. Blessings, Nur - ---------- From: CWoodsong@aol.com[SMTP:CWoodsong@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 1996 10:18 AM To: tariqas@europe.std.com Subject: Re: Who is the one that reads? What interests me most is that the Chinese characters are not words... = like English. 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In a message dated 96-07-14 00:11:43 EDT, you write: << Specific immortality is the concept that when your present life ends and "you" die, "you" go somewhere. >> << Who is the "you" and how does he/she relate to the continuum? >> In the sufi perspective, who "you" is depends on who you think "you" is. If you are identified with your personal ego, that basically disintegrates when your body becomes uninhabitable --- actually, it doesn't really exist anyway - --- and the un-assimilated impressions you've collected/recycled remain in the realm of Mind which is their abode. This process can take one breath or it can take quite a long time as measured by physical-plane chronology and is called 'Hell' or 'Purgatory' in the Christian tradition; how long it takes and the intensity of the pain experienced there depends on your habitual degree of commitment to your personal ego and its perspectives on stuff. If you are identified with that of your being which is uncreated and most essentially YOU, behind and beyond the personal ego, it doesn't go anywhere because it doesn't come from anywhere: It is intrinsic in the fabric of the universe. That awareness IS immortality. ------------------------------ From: Thomas McElwain Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:28:11 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: July 11 Assalaamu Alaykum Rahim beloved, You make me read my own poem with new eyes. The symbolism in it seems so appropriate to the Ismaili tradition. To think that I finished it, after several years of writing, on such an important day without realizing it. I did not convert to anything, ana al-Haqq, I do not change. But I was born, so they said, into a Native American family, but I had blue eyes. We walked to school together for protection, although the others said I was white because of my eyes, and the whites said I was Indian, so I came to Europe thinking it was easier to live in Finland... What a mistake! Then after living in Finland for twelve years, Allah said to me, since you have no work, no respect, no money, I will give you my greatest gift, Islam. I said, Which Islam, Sunni or Shi'a? Allah said, "I do not determine your life, do you think I am a Sunni? You have a choice. Do you think you have suffered enough to follow the Shi'a way? I have not suffered enough to follow any way. I do my salaat late sometimes... They called my Ali Haydar in Turkey because Tom was too difficult they said! Ali Haydar ------------------------------ From: Thomas McElwain Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:31:18 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: abrogated and abrogating verses Dearest Tanzen How right you are. Even the dot below the ba is sufficient. Ya Ali! Abrogation is a matter of time and place, but I God do sing the holy Qur'an throughout all eternity, even the abrogated aayaat. ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:40:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Sheikh/Shaikh >Where is LOVE? > It surrounds - as water surrounds us swimmers. > It permeates - every molecule of my being. > IT IS. <> ------------------------------ From: Abdkabir Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Shaikh Yes, I'm in the Alawi tariqa. - - Abd. Kabir On Sun, 14 Jul 1996 maarof@pc.jaring.my wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Abdkabir wrote: > > > > > >> I am fascinated by the existence of several orders (schools?) > >> or societies, or in this public forum I think it would be > >> appropriate (I think) to call them "children" of Pir-O-Murshid > >> Hazrat Inayat Khan. > >> > >> So far I have identified three "children", i.e The Sufi Movement, > >> The Sufi Order of The West and SIRS (Sufi Islamic Ruhaniyyat > >> Society). There might be more (God knows best). > >> > >> I've come to understand that there are disagreements among > >> these groups. Disagreements are not necessarily bad, The > >> Prophet (pbuh) said "disagreements among my followers is > >> a rahma (blessing)". > >> > >> My question is: Do these groups (or branches) see themselves > >> as shadow of One or different shadows of One? > >> > > > >Well, there seems to be plenty of tariqas represented here and elsewhere. > >But, as my murshid says, "One is either in the tariqa of the nafs or the > >tariqa of the marifah." Therefore, to reply to your question: better to > >restate the question, in the light of what my murshid says: Of the two > >types of tariqas referred to, which one are you in or want to be in? This > >way of reconfiguring your question - which is, with all due respect, a tad > >bit abstract, having a slightly boring philosophical air about it - > >directs us to something more nitty-gritty or essential, IMHO. > > > > > > Assalamualaikum > > Thanks Brother Abdkabir, > > The question I posted was not a question. It is actually an answer to a > question from a brother in the list. > > You are right, it is a tad bit abstract, having a slightly boring philosophical > air about it. I found the answer (question?) from a passage in Rumi's Mathnawi. > > May I know what tariqa you are following? > > salam > maarof > > ------------------------------ From: Michael Moore Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:03:23 -0700 Subject: Re: One who reads > >***Hi martin, jump in too, there is plenty of room in this "ole swiming hole" > Ever swing from a rope in a tree into the water, GOOD TIMES! right, > You would make 4/4 which would about make us whole I think, including > the bugs...Kaffea Lalla Sung to the tune of "That's Amori -Dean Martin" When you swim in the creek and an eel bites your cheek that's a Moray! ------------------------------ From: Thomas McElwain Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:56:55 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: carol's questions Carol dear, Assalaamu Alaykum, peace, anyway. The name of the order is not what counts. Yes, I am a native speaker of West Virginia Mingo Seneca Iroquois, the non-League people. We have preserved some little knowledge of the Bektashi order, which was established among us by the Eckerlin brothers from Strassburg in 1752. The community was destroyed four years later by in connection with the French and Indian War. See Seneca-EGADS in the internet for my language work, also a part of Bektashi practice, which was responsible for preserving the Turkish language, then threatened by Persian and Arabic, through its Sufi poetry. Hope to hear more from you, Ali Haydar ------------------------------ From: Thomas McElwain Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:04:53 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Kaffea Lalla, mureed Assalaamu Alaykum, Mureed Kaffea Lalla, Of course I realize that the answer would be the same even if you were the sheikh. When I step through the four gates and look back to where I came from, I see that I was all the while in Al-Haqiqa. "This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven." Genesis 28:17. Greetings from Kaf to Kaf, Ali Haydar ------------------------------ From: Michael Moore Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:14:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Sheikh > > --"The road to hell is PAVED with good intentions." George Bernard Shaw I disagree. All we can do is make good intentions. The result is Allah's will. Blessing on you all is my intention! - -Michael- ------------------------------ From: Michael Moore Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:20:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Sheikh Gale wrote: In fact, looking at the scene with as much > historical objectivity as I can dredge up from the more musty recesses of > my brain, it seems there are and have been a Hell of a Lot MORE Paths to > Shaitan than to God. > Yes, but Allah's will even drown Shaitan in his Mercy Oceans. - -Michael- ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:38:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Kaffea Lalla's sheikh Hello, dear one! Thomas McElwain wrote: > > I thought you were the sheikh. She is "sheikha"... no matter what other sounds you might hear on your screen say. > I guess I'm new here. New or old, another ray into the bundle makes for quicker seed sprouting, more buds, blossoms, blooms! Ahhh, the blooms! > You don't have a sheikh yet? She has surrendered! She be Muslim without knowing it. Is that good enough? > I found mine slowly whirling like a drunk man in front of the mosque > before the main gate of the Mevlevi "museum" in Konya. He works in a > pharmacy, is a descendant of Yunus Emre, and has only one follower, me. Do you need much of his attention? > Does that matter? Kinship with all life. Does that matter? How would we know? > Maybe he is still whirling there, ana al-Haqq, Allah, Allah, > Allah, repeats the blood flowing in the veins. I can see him from here! A sight for sore eyes... Bismillah, Bismillah... and all the tourists! > I thought you were the > sheikh, beautiful heart, pure heart, dear Kaffea Lalla. I declared sometime back that Kaffea be beautiful lady, and we have been having a private discussion about praise and blame ever since... See, everything is constructive, all leading to good (God), the only destinaiton. We have concluded it is okay to praise, praise continuously, always with the sight of Allah, The Beloved, in our view. After all, what else can Be? Allah is all, made all, transforms all, is of all, in all... and that goes for the good, the bad, the beautiful, and the ugly... so praise, praise! There is no blame... Ain't it wonderful to be red-eyed pantheist? Such is Allah! Welcome Thomas (gosh, that name is a tough one, so we use Ali Haydar, oh, so easy) to Tariqas mail list, tanzen at lake tahoe california usa home of many angels and a few eagles ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:45:34 -0700 Subject: Re: abrogated and abrogating verses Thomas McElwain wrote: > > Dearest Tanzen > How right you are. Even the dot below the ba is sufficient. Yes. > Ya Ali! Ya Barr! > Abrogation is a matter of time and place, but I God do sing the holy Qur'an > throughout all eternity, even the abrogated aayaat. Ya Mumit! Ya Samad! Yes. yes... ever think that God takes sides in issues of the day? O Lord, send Thy wisdom, that we may align our wills with our fate, that we may know harmony, think it, speak it, do it. Thy Will be mine. Amin. tanzen ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 05:35:52 +0800 Subject: Re: Shaikh On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Abdkabir wrote: >Yes, I'm in the Alawi tariqa. >- Abd. Kabir > Assalamualaikum Thank you. I hope you don't mind I don't answer your question (or is it clarification?) directly. Things we agree upon do not require any response and I see your words (and advice) as an act of kindness. BTW, i bought a book "Knowledge Of God" by Ahmad ibn Mustafa ibn al-Alawi. I haven't read it yet. Is he the founder of Alawi tariqa? thank you - -maarof ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:56:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Tanzen about Lalla I think Tanzen after what you just said about me, you must have ate too many berries in the vineyard. You need a good dunking in the "ole swimming hole and may the fishes tickle your toes. Love Kaffea Lalla (what do you think WoodSong!) ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 06:29:31 +0800 Subject: Sleeping mantis On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) wrote: >>Or is it preying mantis? The word for human being and praying mantis in my >>language, Seneca Iroquois, happens to be the same, ongweh. Hello! I'm new >>here. I'm a praying mantis. Good-bye, Assalaamu Alaykum, >>Ali Haydar >> >>---- >Wom Ali! That is an amazing coincidence, or is it. Only Allah knows! >P. mantis says Hellow, ongweh. back >Kaffea Lalla > At this part of the world, the mantis is thought of as a "sleeping" rather than "praying" or "preying". I remembered a game-song I used to play as a child. A group of children will sing to the sleeping mantis, and ask it how each of us sleep. (Of course, someone will have to hold the sleeping mantis). A song to ask the mantis will be like this: Mentada mentadu macam mana Ongweh tidur? (Mr/Mrs Mantis, how did Ongweh sleep?) So the mantis, with eyes closed (and half smiling) will move its hands, and showed how Ongweh slept. - -salam maarof ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:47:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Sleeping mantis > > >On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) wrote: >>>Or is it preying mantis? The word for human being and praying mantis in my >>>language, Seneca Iroquois, happens to be the same, ongweh. Hello! I'm new >>>here. I'm a praying mantis. Good-bye, Assalaamu Alaykum, >>>Ali Haydar >>> >>>---- >>Wom Ali! That is an amazing coincidence, or is it. Only Allah knows! >>P. mantis says Hellow, ongweh. back >>Kaffea Lalla >> > >At this part of the world, the mantis is thought of as a "sleeping" >rather than "praying" or "preying". I remembered a game-song >I used to play as a child. A group of children will sing to >the sleeping mantis, and ask it how each of us sleep. (Of course, >someone will have to hold the sleeping mantis). > >A song to ask the mantis will be like this: > >Mentada mentadu macam mana Ongweh tidur? >(Mr/Mrs Mantis, how did Ongweh sleep?) > >So the mantis, with eyes closed (and half smiling) will move its >hands, and showed how Ongweh slept. > >-salam >maarof > >---------- Ah P. Mantis is delighted, Sleep well my friends and dream good dreams. Kaffea Lalla ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #61 ****************************